[14:59] <jono_> hey all
[15:00] <SergioMeneses> jono_, \o
[15:00] <cprofitt> hello jono_
[15:00] <jono_> can anyone see us?
[15:00] <jono_> reload the page
[15:01] <trinikrono> i see youuu
[15:01] <philipballew> hello world!
[15:01] <YoBoY> hi
[15:01] <airurando_uds> i see you also
[15:01] <YoBoY> working for me too
[15:01] <trinikrono> yo YoBoY!
[15:01] <ptl> hello solar system!
[15:01]  * wrst sees it now!
[15:01] <trinikrono> o/
[15:01] <ptl> reloading
[15:01] <YoBoY> hi trinikrono :)
[15:02] <cprofitt> yes
[15:02] <rrnwexec> yes
[15:02] <YoBoY> yes
[15:02] <jasnow> yes
[15:02] <ptl> now I can see...
[15:02] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, \o
[15:02] <rrnwexec> i'll join
[15:02] <trinikrono> yo SergioMeneses!
[15:03] <rickspencer3> o/ all
[15:03] <cprofitt> hello rickspencer3
[15:04] <jasnow> etherpad does not work for me
[15:05] <rickspencer3> jono_, I can join the hangout if you want me to chat about rolling release and stuff
[15:05] <SergioMeneses> hi trinikrono
[15:05]  * rickspencer3 looks at the first idea for discussion
[15:05] <ptl> only ideas? I cannot ask questions on the etherpad?
[15:05] <rickspencer3> ptl, I am sure you can add a question
[15:05] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:06] <jono_> rickspencer3, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d30e9d2c89778bc98b821f05c483b6ec2f61d868?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:06] <YoBoY> cut the music please
[15:06] <rickspencer3> joining
[15:06] <fisch246> jono_: how do i get access to the etherpad?
[15:07] <YoBoY> +1 rickspencer3
[15:07] <JoseeAntonioR> fisch246: join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[15:07] <jono_> fisch246, it is embedded in the page
[15:07] <jasnow> Yes, I joined but waiting approval - "awaiting approval from one of this team's administrators."
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, but i think we have to re-edit that wikipage
[15:08] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, that is the reason why I put it there
[15:08] <fisch246> awaiting approval
[15:08] <jono_> jasnow, approval for what?
[15:08] <jono_> for the etherpad?
[15:09] <jasnow> yes
[15:09] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: gotcha
[15:10] <jasnow> Found this at bottom of Blueprint page: "If you receive a permissions error when trying to login to the etherpad, please join the Ubuntu Etherpad Users Team."
[15:10] <fisch246> rickspencer3: i personally support this, as long as it's VERY clear of the ENTIRE situation before upgrades
[15:10] <dmj_nova> What kinds of users will be able to use the rolling release?
[15:11] <dmj_nova> *as in it will be suitable for them
[15:11] <cprofitt> rickspencer3: it would be nice to have locos have a 'choice' of marketing materials that best fit what they need
[15:11] <nperry> Ubuntu needs to still do cd/dvds... Alan Bell needs them for his chickens.
[15:11] <YoBoY> usb keys are expensives
[15:12] <cprofitt> like a limited pick list -- so that the 'expense' is the same, but the value to the team is maximized based on what they need
[15:13] <tonys> Should't this have started 1500 UTC?
[15:13] <txwikinger_> We used all releases.. but the problem with CDs is always the issue with customs and brokerage
[15:13] <JoseeAntonioR> tonys: it's 15:13 UTC
[15:13] <YoBoY> ubuntu-fr locoteam produced 10000 live CDs and we are about to produce more 12.04.2
[15:14] <cprofitt> I think different teams have different needs
[15:14] <SergioMeneses> YoBoY, sure! and they will be a big problem if you have in count the taxes
[15:14] <Tribaal> From personal experience I tend to give a lot of stickers and pens, but pretty much no CDs anymore
[15:14] <dmj_nova> Sometimes branded media does help Ubuntu feel more legitimate for some users
[15:14] <czajkowski> Yes but some people said they weren't going to be able to download due to country bandwith
[15:14] <ptl> I don't realize why people care so much for a rolling release, doesn't seem a big deal for me...
[15:14] <cprofitt> being able to choose stickers, hats or other things I would think would be better than just being CDs
[15:14] <czajkowski> also the point of marketing material would mean it would be harder to keep up to date but also translated
[15:15] <dmj_nova> I still treasure my hoary hedgehog disc
[15:15] <airurando_uds> I do think LTS media is useful
[15:15] <YoBoY> people like also official cd because it feels more real, more professionnal
[15:15] <jono_> czajkowski, cprofitt want to join?
[15:15] <cprofitt> though giving out official CDs helps with people who may not trust a 'home made' CD
[15:15] <czajkowski> cant sorry
[15:15] <YoBoY> it's a real product, with the brand
[15:15] <jasnow> Now have approval for etherpad - Thanks
[15:15] <jono_> czajkowski, np
[15:15] <cprofitt> jono_: I could get called away at any time... so it would not be a good idea
[15:15] <txwikinger_> Official CDs gives more authority that there is only official stuff on it.. We can burn them ourselves but they do not look official
[15:15] <dmj_nova> burned media can look "not legit"
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> rickspencer3, you're right!
[15:15] <jono_> cprofitt np
[15:15] <ElderDryas> Can we get nicks as well as names on the hangout?
[15:15] <airurando_uds> I think the interim release media is less useful (people likely to use interim releases are geeky enough to download)
[15:16] <cprofitt> +1 rrnwexec
[15:16] <SergioMeneses> people think it is not an official software or good software
[15:16] <czajkowski> but creating multiple types of marketing material stuff will make it more expensive
[15:16] <czajkowski> also businesses tend to deal with partners or directly via canonical
[15:16] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, that's right
[15:16] <cprofitt> +1 czajkowski
[15:16] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:17] <txwikinger_> I had a lot of uptake because of distributing CDs... cannot they if I would have the same without them
[15:17] <txwikinger_> they->say
[15:17] <YoBoY> distribution channel online, do you mean canonical "english only" shop ?
[15:17] <czajkowski> people prefer to take a cd rather than reading a leaflet
[15:17] <czajkowski> it's better to see it and demo it rather than go away and read about it attimes
[15:17] <czajkowski> *at times
[15:17] <sebsebseb> free CD's are nice :d
[15:18] <snwh> well CDs are more useful in places with lower bandwidth, for users who can't download the image
[15:18] <czajkowski> snwh: yes we get a that a lot of the time to the Loco council tbh
[15:20] <quesh__> yop
[15:20] <YoBoY> ( quesh__ you are late)
[15:20] <mainerror> That's great!
[15:21] <commandoline_> SDK is still C++/QML only, while quickly supports a lot of different templates nowadays.
[15:21] <rickspencer3> commandoline_, yeah, that's a good point
[15:22] <tsimpson_> Qt support command-line too
[15:22] <txwikinger_> Or python/ruby etc bundings
[15:22] <txwikinger_> bindings
[15:22] <tsimpson_> non-C++ stuff, yeah
[15:23] <tsimpson_> C++/Qt/QML
[15:23] <mainerror> Yea.
[15:24] <txwikinger_> yes it is true
[15:24] <tsimpson_> the Qt libs are split into Core/Gui/Widgets/QML/Networking/etc
[15:24] <tsimpson_> modularized
[15:24] <rickspencer3> that makes sense
[15:24] <rickspencer3> because a lot of Qt is platform support
[15:25] <mainerror> http://i.imgur.com/omlBfeC.png
[15:28] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: jono_ http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5342/translations-foreign-language-support-for-ask-ubuntu
[15:28] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: jono_ http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/533/are-there-any-plans-for-localized-ask-ubuntu-instances
[15:28] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, I've worked with a project similar http://ubuntu.shapado.com/
[15:30] <txwikinger_> there is a localized ask-ubuntu at shapado
[15:30] <commandoline_> loco's are experimenting too, e.g. an Ubuntu NL example: http://communityserver.ubuntu-nl.org/vraag-en-antwoord/
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Community roundtable?
[15:30] <mainerror> txwikinger_: But that's some kind of SE clone, right?
[15:31] <s-fox> On the ubuntu forums we have different sections for different languages.
[15:31] <YoBoY> yes smartboyhw
[15:31] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, yes
[15:31] <commandoline_> s-fox: and some LoCo's have their own forums too
[15:31] <s-fox> yeop commandoline_
[15:31] <commandoline_> mainerror: it is a clone, right.
[15:31] <mainerror> RR SE is mobile friendly.
[15:31] <txwikinger_> please not another launchpad Q&A!
[15:32] <SergioMeneses> s-fox, \o
[15:32] <mainerror> They've got a separate mobile design.
[15:32] <txwikinger_> it is not about archiving.. it is about support that is current
[15:33] <cprofitt> http://stackapps.com/questions/2370/stackanywhere-a-stack-exchange-client-for-android
[15:33] <berdario> I'm writing this from the summit.ubuntu.com iframe... the bottom iframe, the pad.ubuntu.com is supposed to be an etherpad instance, right?
[15:33] <s-fox> french forum
[15:33] <quesh__> > ubuntu-fr.org
[15:33] <YoBoY> (in france they use the french forum ^^")
[15:33] <s-fox> ^
[15:33] <berdario> it seems that I'm unable to access the etherpad, any idea?
[15:33] <s-fox> yes YoBoY
[15:33] <cprofitt> if Android can have an app for stack exchange we could make an app, cross platform, that works on Ubuntu (mobile and desktop)
[15:33] <SergioMeneses> jono_, JoseeAntonioR  can we add spanish language like launchpad questions does?
[15:33] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses: not yet, stackexchange is working on that
[15:33] <quesh__> but it's not the same for all the languages
[15:34] <YoBoY> we planned to put a ask like on our servers, but time is missing… :(
[15:34] <SergioMeneses> YoBoY, =/
[15:34] <txwikinger_> loco teams can use http://ubuntu.shapado.com
[15:35] <YoBoY> we miss you rickspencer3 here :)
[15:35] <cprofitt> +1 rickspencer3
[15:35] <rickspencer3> hi YoBoY
[15:35] <SergioMeneses> txwikinger_, but it only works for the Spanish language
[15:35] <rickspencer3> je vous marque aussie ;)
[15:35] <commandoline_> jono_: there are others. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QandALocalization
[15:36] <mainerror> jono_: It's a clone, yea. :)
[15:36] <SergioMeneses> commandoline_, thanks for the link
[15:37] <TadeasParik> I would say that national forums are much more better solution for this...
[15:37] <txwikinger-uds> You have as many languages as you have locos that speak their native language
[15:37] <mainerror> Good example. :D
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> jono_, shapado needs a better design but it could work :D
[15:39] <udsbotu> uds-community-2: 5 minutes left in this session!
[15:39] <YoBoY> JoseeAntonioR, do you mean a custom shapado provided by canonical in various langage ?
[15:39] <JoseeAntonioR> YoBoY: yep, basically that
[15:39] <cprofitt> if we get shapdo working it would be nice to develop a client app for mobile
[15:39] <cprofitt> shapdo looks really nice.
[15:40] <udsbotu> uds-community-2: 4 minutes left in this session!
[15:40] <cprofitt> sorry that I missed part of the conversation -- got called away
[15:41] <udsbotu> uds-community-2: 3 minutes left in this session!
[15:41] <ptl> got my question answered, thanks
[15:41] <ptl> *questions
[15:42] <udsbotu> uds-community-2: 2 minutes left in this session!
[15:42] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, shapado works pretty well for us ( colombian team )
[15:42] <YoBoY> transcripts are also usefull for deaf people
[15:43] <ptl> it this were facebook, I would [like] it
[15:43] <ptl> *in facebook
[15:43] <YoBoY> number of loco teams growing ? like more country envolved ?
[15:44] <jasnow> I would check that all of the current team are current (active) - need backup people.
[15:44] <udsbotu> uds-community-2: This session has ended.
[15:45] <quesh__> bye
[15:45]  * mainerror waves
[15:46] <txwikinger-uds> bye
[15:46] <SergioMeneses> see you guys!
[15:46] <balloons> hey everyone
[15:48] <balloons> anyone who wishes to be in this session hangout, please ping
[15:54] <balloons> We'll try and stay nice and short this session to let people drift back to the rolling release discussion
[15:58] <smartboyhw> all of them went
[15:58] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol
[15:58] <balloons> conflicts, conflicts
[15:59] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:59] <mmrazik> balloons: feel free to add me to the hangout
[15:59] <Saviq|UDS> at least we get videos from the other sessions :)
[16:04] <elopio> sorry, I'm late.
[16:04] <balloons> hey elopio
[16:05] <elopio> hi balloons. I missed the previous session. I'm catching up.
[16:05] <balloons> excellent
[16:05] <balloons> want to hop in to the hangout?
[16:11] <elopio> balloons: I'm just listening for the moment.
[16:12] <plars> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute#How_to_report_bugs
[16:13] <jasnow_> main web site; http://cukes.info/
[16:14] <jasnow_> for cucumber
[16:14] <jcollado_> There are a few similar libraries for python
[16:14] <jcollado_> behave http://packages.python.org/behave/
[16:14] <mmrazik> http://cukes.info/
[16:15] <jcollado_> freshen https://github.com/rlisagor/freshen
[16:15] <jcollado_> lettuce http://packages.python.org/lettuce/
[16:15] <jasnow_> Examples: https://www.relishapp.com/explore
[16:16] <mzanetti> I guess the main point is to have the user aspect in autopilot tests
[16:16] <jasnow_> think of the english as macros for the code
[16:16] <mzanetti> problem with tests is that mostly geeks write them and only test geek stuff
[16:16] <mzanetti> but we need to test user workflows
[16:16] <jasnow_> cucumber can be headless too
[16:17] <vrruiz_> jcollado_: Have you used them? (python libs)
[16:18] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[18:24] <wendar> It sounds like the messaging around a 1-month cadence is very important to get right. That it's both "stable" and "supported".
[19:05] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, got the link?
[19:05] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: yep!
[19:06] <dholbach> hello
[19:06] <dholbach> who's here on IRC and following the discussion?
[19:06] <JoseeAntonioR> he just went live
[19:07] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21687/community-1303-ubuntu-on-air/
[19:08] <dholbach> let us know if you want to join the hangout
[19:09] <dholbach> does anyone have feedback about the ubuntu on air sessions?
[19:13] <jsjgruber-uds> Are there limitations to the people who can watch hangouts due to bandwidth in their part of the world?
[19:16] <dholbach> jsjgruber-uds, good question -I'll ask
[19:18] <tiagoscd> hey guys
[19:19] <dholbach> hey tiagoscd - want to join the discussion as well?
[19:19] <tiagoscd> our team would like to have a space on Ubuntu on Air to teach Ubuntu for Brazilian users. so I think should be a good idea open it for LoCos
[19:20] <tiagoscd> dholbach: I'm at work right now :/
[19:20] <dholbach> tiagoscd, don'T worry
[19:23] <jsjgruber-uds> Have you looked into http://www.bigbluebutton.org/ as an alternative to hangouts just as an alternative?
[19:26] <jsjgruber-uds> A mailing list might be a good idea.
[19:26] <tiagoscd> brb
[19:28] <jsjgruber-uds> dholbach:  as someone who has done both irc and onair sessions, how do you compare the two?
[19:43] <tiagoscd> here on brazil we have a weekly hangout that we call "papo de boteco". it's an informal talk where we talk about the themes that people are asking on youtube and irc. how about it for the ubuntu on air future?
[19:46] <jsjgruber-uds> Thanks dholbach and JoseeAntonioR
[19:48] <tiagoscd> here are the last conversation we have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MzFzNHr0k2g#t=1128s
[19:48] <tiagoscd> nice :)
[19:49] <dholbach> nice :)
[19:49] <tiagoscd> thanks guys
[19:50]  * dholbach hugs you all
[19:51] <tiagoscd> byee
[19:52] <dholbach> :)
[19:53] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, hasta la proxima
[19:53] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: nos vemos!
[19:53] <dholbach> si, claro!
[19:57] <fredbuntu> nobody left in this session!