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redtape-renegademorning .. a foggy one at that !08:00
BigRedSFirefox keeps popping up a window entitled 'JavaScript Application' and carrying the message "TypeError: window.flagCache[curip] is undefined"; anyone know what a probably cause is and how I can make it go away?08:38
MartijnVdSBigRedS: don't go to that site ;)08:55
MartijnVdSBigRedS: turn off javascript debugging?08:55
MartijnVdSmaybe it's an extension? (adblock? ghostery?)08:55
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BigRedSNah, I've had it since before installing any plugins. Is JS debugging a toggleable thing?09:14
yarinsehello, since I can extract The serial number of the volume of a dvd from a terminal, which is the instruction?09:15
MartijnVdSBigRedS: I don't know.. F12?09:16
BigRedSOh, I don't even have the web developer toolbar and whatnot installed09:17
BigRedSCould install it and see if I can find the source that way I suppose09:17
BigRedSbut that sounds like work :/09:17
JamesTaitGood morning, friends! :-D09:17
BigRedSGood Mornintg!09:19
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hooverhi folks09:40
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brobostigongood morning everyone.11:02
davmor2Morning all11:06
brobostigonmorning davmor211:06
redtape-renegadeIs everyone asleep today on this #channel, or are we just crazy as crumpets ?? :::: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/craziest-basketball-finish-ll-ever-see-135710563.html13:07
davmor2zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz13:13
* mgdm stacks things on top of the sleeping davmor2 13:14
* popey puts davmor2's hand in a bowl of warm water13:14
* davmor2 throws the warm water over popey and attaches an emac strip to one of his eyebrows for good measure13:16
redtape-renegadeWhat's this can of shaving cream for ?13:16
davmor2redtape-renegade: so you can have a shave?13:17
* redtape-renegade is going for the pirate look today .. GGrrr13:18
directhexredtape-renegade, it's a fake can of shaving cream. you can open it up & place some dinosaur embryos.13:25
czajkowskileave davmor2 alone13:25
czajkowskinobodys allowed to break him on me13:26
czajkowskior my sanity will further deplete13:26
dogmatic69Anyone know of a command line tool like minicom but can be used without opening and 'app'?13:30
dogmatic69minicom is sort of like htop, a shell app. Need to send serial like 'foobar -file baz.txt -baud 9600 etc.13:31
redtape-renegadeI did actually spend an hour on skype with a guy I met from Mass. (the state) .. explaining how he could make money with his game engine even thou. it is GPL V3.0... Anyway...13:36
redtape-renegadeHere's the track o'the day .. COME ON TEAM !! http://open.spotify.com/track/6JFCimsnygZkPtBSd0l4iJ13:36
* redtape-renegade looks forward to tearing into his choc. bunny .. this 31st of March .. :)13:44
einonmdogmatic69: what are you trying to achieve, exactly? Is it so you can script the thing?13:47
dogmatic69ye13:47
dogmatic69minicom works great, but now want to automate this process.13:47
dogmatic69its just sending files to a plotter.13:47
einonmI've used minicom to do exactly that in the past - by using the python expect module (pexpect)13:47
dogmatic69oh13:48
einonmperhaps you should check that out...13:48
dogmatic69if I could use minicom that would be fine. I have been using it for 1.5 years, and searched many many times for cmd line usage.13:48
einonmdogmatic69: the other thing you can do is to just open the /dev/tty directly, and send the baud commands to it13:51
dogmatic69ye, I have thought that too.13:54
dogmatic69einonm: I might just implement something in php as I need a web interface for it anyhow13:59
einonmdogmatic69: cool. I'm pretty sure there's an expect module for php too.14:00
dogmatic69next problem would be somehow sharing a usb port over the network14:01
dogmatic69anyone know if usb cat5 extenders can be used on a hub14:45
creakyborecat5 extenders being female-female cat5 cables or something else?14:48
dogmatic69something like this http://www.systo.co.uk/media/catalog/product/image/img/norm/high/3744120-5252.jpg14:50
OliUSB-B-female->box->cat5->box->USB-A-femail... Something that allows you to extend USB tranmission to 100M instead of 5M.14:50
creakyboreif you meant the long-distance extenders, then yes can be used on a hub - just need to make sure they are wired for straight-through and then you use the patch cable in to the back of the extender etc14:50
dogmatic69Oli: ye14:50
OliThe problem I've seen with the long-distance ones is latency. A lot of applications expect <3ms lag and count anything higher as hardware failure.14:50
dogmatic69hmm14:51
creakyboreagreed. extenders are best for last option solution14:51
Oli(I'm trying to remember the exact numbers but that's the idea)14:51
dogmatic69its just for serial comms, and 9600 baud so slow14:51
creakyborewhat distance?14:51
dogmatic69upstairs to downstairs14:51
dogmatic69also running eth over mains :/14:51
OliThis is for sending a file to something a long way away? Why not stick a Pi (or other plug-sized computer) next to the thing and interface with that?14:52
dogmatic69that is what I have atm, but looking to automate14:52
dogmatic69currently I desktop -> scp file -> pi -> login -> minicom -> print14:53
OliOkay, so script something at the Pi end to watch the directory, and run minicom (expect sounds nice if it can be done) and process the files14:53
dogmatic69ideal: open browser my-server.local -> click print -> magic scripts send via whatever to printer14:53
dogmatic69ye, that is one way but requires maintaining two scripts and more processes etc.14:54
dogmatic69also if I can do it ove usb somehow I can have my pi back for other things14:54
BigRedSWhat's the 'proper' IM client in Unity? Pidgin?14:55
einonmBigRedS: empathy, I believe14:56
BigRedSOh.14:56
Olidogmatic69: Is this something that would work with a wireless print server?14:58
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dogmatic69its a very basic plotter14:58
OliSo probably not14:58
creakyboredogmatic, what about KVM over IP?14:58
OliIs there a CUPS driver for it?14:58
dogmatic69its a very basic *chines* plotter14:59
dogmatic69creakybore: there are some more advanced usb over eth, I think kvm is overkill14:59
dogmatic69I was thinking maybe this http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-USB-2-0-over-Server/dp/B001J3NZHM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362493739&sr=8-115:00
Olidogmatic69: certainly the cheapest I've seen in a while.15:01
einonmdogmatic69: for £30, just buy another Pi, surely?15:02
OliThese (like most I've seen) are point-to-point. You can't use existing network infrastructure which has always been the big turn-off for me.15:02
Olidogmatic69: as we're talking about serial connections, I don't suppose the plotter has an actual serial connector, does it?15:02
OliWireless serial dongles exist.15:03
dogmatic69Oli: point to point as in no hub?15:03
dogmatic69Oli: it does15:03
Olidogmatic69: Yeah as in there's one wire between those two boxes, no hubs or routers.15:03
Olidogmatic69: No idea on the pricing but: http://serialio.com/products/mobile/wifi/WiSnapAAA.php15:03
dogmatic69ah, well that wont cut it.. I will check the wireless serial15:03
OliAh. No. They cost *all* the money.15:04
dogmatic69well something like that could be done with arduino and xbee :D15:04
creakyborego old fashioned, just run RS-232 cable the whole way, if less than 50m you should be fine15:04
dogmatic69rented house, pulling cables...15:05
creakyboreok then drape cables ;)15:05
Olidogmatic69: A minute ago you were unhappy about maintaining a couple of scripts and now you want to solder together an Arduino serial flinger? >_<15:05
dogmatic69creakybore: gf will be impressed, im sure.15:05
dogmatic69Oli: I code all day, arduinos are fun15:05
redtape-renegadeQUESTION:: Anyone need Toothpaste ??? Should last until Xmas .. http://goo.gl/krDdM15:06
ali1234"85% of people who used it said it left their mouth feeling incomparably clean."15:07
dogmatic69Oli: even just arduino and eth as I have a hub by the plotter15:07
ali123485%15:07
creakyborei really think the previous Pi or serial-WiFi is going to be the way or in the realm of serial-WiFi then something like uconnect wa-23215:07
Oliali1234: The remaining 15% felt like they'd just been punched in the mouth by a dirty hobo.15:08
ali1234also the 85% obviously compared it15:08
ali1234unless like "85% of people were unable to speak after using this product."15:08
bigcalmI'm really struggling with this search. Is there a 3.5mm 4 pole socket to 3.5mm 2 pole/3 pole jack converter cable?15:09
ali1234no because such a thing is uneccessary15:10
bigcalmI need it, so it is15:10
bigcalmThis is close: http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-3-5mm-Headset-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B0058DOWH6/ref=pd_sim_ce_515:12
bigcalmBah, I'll just take this headset back to the shop instead15:13
bigcalmActually, reading the information it looks like it will work15:21
* bigcalm gives it a shot15:21
popeybigcalm: you sure you need an adapter?15:24
bigcalmpopey: quite sure :)15:24
bigcalmpopey: I have new headphones with a 4 pole jack. My PC has no 4 pole sockets15:25
popeymy heaphones have 4-pole and work on my pc15:25
bigcalmpopey: does the mic work as well?15:25
popeyno15:25
popeyyou want to split it out into two connectors for mic / heaphone sockets?15:26
bigcalmYes15:26
popeyyeah, looks like that should work15:27
bigcalmI'm sure it would work just fine as headphones only. But I need the mic to talk to my clients15:27
popeybut aren't iphone and android pins different15:27
popeyah, control buttons non-standard15:27
bigcalmpopey: so I hear. We'll see how it goes15:27
popeyooh! quick glimpse of Laney16:35
Laneymeow16:36
bigcalmOh, that's why it's quiet in here17:33
bigcalmVirtual UDS17:33
davmor2bigcalm: indeed that and I'm busy17:51
davmor2someone has to pick on czajkowski17:51
czajkowski:/17:51
czajkowskiit's only tuesday17:51
czajkowskihow is it only tuesday17:51
czajkowskidavmor2: you get to torement me on thursday for an enture day and watch me yell at my VMs17:51
bigcalmThat does sound like fun :)17:52
czajkowskioh you could you know just start up a hangout17:52
czajkowskiforget you did17:52
czajkowskigo to another window17:52
czajkowskiand then hear someone shout at you17:52
czajkowskiand you leap from your skin17:52
czajkowskinot once17:52
czajkowskinot twice17:52
czajkowskibut many many times17:52
davmor2bigcalm: you watch czajkowski come on here in tears ...... of ..............erm .....................................Joy obviously17:52
* bigcalm cracks up17:52
* bigcalm hugs poor czajkowski17:53
jpdsczajkowski: That's almost quotable.17:53
bigcalmYes, you can quote me as hugging czajkowski :)17:54
czajkowskijpds: hush you17:55
davmor2jpds: that's harsh, next time I'll set me screen to record17:55
czajkowskiNO17:55
czajkowskiNO_WAY17:55
bigcalmWAY17:56
davmor2czajkowski: I'm joking I'm not that evil honest17:56
czajkowskiyou say this17:56
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* bigcalm slithers off to dog walking18:05
davmor2bigcalm: but you only have a cat18:06
bigcalmdavmor2: this is true18:06
bigcalmdavmor2: Hayley's ex-husband has Hayley's dog. We walk the dog once a week. Rather like visiting rights in a way.18:07
bigcalm*woosh*18:08
davmor2bigcalm: nice18:08
KrimZon'ᴥ'18:11
redtape-atMumsieHi people, I had go try some of parents raspberry and coconut pie and custard, So I'm trying the USB configured Xubuntu for a change...19:15
RaycisCharlesredtape-atMumsie: how's Mumsie?19:42
ali1234a new humble bundle just went up :)20:17
redtape-atMumsieRaycisCharles, We all sat round the piano and listened to Marks keynote off the website (21 minutes) with the laptop ontop..... then Mum said .. can we plug the piano into Ubuntu ??20:39
redtape-atMumsieali1234, I dont think *any* of them look good from the videos .. Where's the doom clones ??21:04
shaunoI wish they'd indicate which of them I already have.  I have so many bundles now that I get to the point where I don't want to go through the list and see how many of them I don't have yet21:06
* bigcalm slithers in21:11
directhexshauno, you already have Dungeon Defenders, and may already own some of the others from the steam linux launch sale21:11
shaunoI don't have steam on linux :/  most powerful linux machines I have at home, are a toss-up between the rpi, and a 800MHZ VIA21:12
ali1234but not dungeon defenders for android21:12
ali1234unless you bought it somewhere else already21:12
ali1234most of the games on steam for linux would easily run on a raspberry pi if they were recompiled for that arch21:13
bigcalmI set fire to everybody in the bank. I wonder if they will still cash my cheque :S21:13
* redtape-atMumsie asks #freegamer about this ...21:17
redtape-atMumsie#freegamer comrades are bemused by the lack of GPLv3.0 usage on HIBundle .. typical !!21:40
popeylike any HIB has been GPL21:40
shaunonot entirely sure v3 is anything to aspire to either21:55
directhexHIB games are real games, not yet another clone of super mario brothers by someone who doesn't understand game design and "i don't play games and the last game i played was pong, but..."21:59
directhexlow budget indie games, perhaps, but by people with a vague understanding of game design. unlike 99% of FOSS games22:00
shaunothe only model that seems to really work well for OSS games is the free engine / commercial assets mix22:00
directhexdefine "work well"22:01
shaunowell, it seems to work wekk for quake, doom, UT, etc22:01
directhexwho has ever actively sold their "latest" game as assets-only, with a free engine? id software only ever ship an engine 2 versions behind current as source, for example22:01
shauno*well22:01
directhexUT's not open22:01
ali1234sorry but 99% of commercial game developers don't understand game design either22:02
shaunohm, I thought it was but seems it isn't22:02
directhexquake shipped in 1996. quake's source shipped in 1999. quake 2 shipped in 1997. quake 3 shipped in 1999. quake 2 source shipped in 2001.22:03
directhexquake 3 source shipped in 200522:03
shaunothat's still leaps and bounds ahead of their peers22:04
directhexbut it's not a business model22:04
shaunogiving stuff away rarely is22:04
directhexi thought it was a model that really worked well? :p22:05
directhexali1234, and you're an expert in game design?22:05
shaunoit's the only one that makes any sense to me, sure22:05
directhexi await your gdc keynote!22:05
ali1234what does that have to do with it?22:06
bigcalmBah, I bought Dynamite Jack the other day. I wonder if I can give away a copy once I get the humble bundle22:06
directhexi dispute "<ali1234> sorry but 99% of commercial game developers don't understand game design either" as grumpy old man bollocks22:06
directhexnow, understanding doesn't neccessarily mean achievement22:07
directhexbut tht's different22:07
popeybigcalm: good idea, i already have that game too22:07
directhexbigcalm, i think humble bundle steam codes nowadays are one subscribtion key, not per-game keys22:08
shaunothey're per-game on this one, but they're not usually22:13
bigcalmNight Sky didn't want to be installed22:15
ali1234directhex: well i dispute "HIB games are real games, not yet another clone of super mario brothers" because most of them in fact are clones of other games22:15
shaunobigcalm: same here actually, and I'm on osx22:16
bigcalmMight not be ready I guess22:16
directhexali1234, there's a huge difference between a clone made with or without understanding of the source material. most FOSS chinese-made "jPhone" smartphone knock-offs - an attempt to emulate the aesthetic without comprehension of the whole of the source material22:17
bigcalmEverything else seems to install okay. Playing is another matter22:17
directhexbah, keyboard22:17
directhex"most FOSS games are"22:18
ali1234i agree22:18
ali1234and the same is true of most commercial games too22:18
directhexmost?22:18
ali1234yes, if you measure by number of "sales"22:19
directhexso, looking at my HiB library, can we hear an example of a game you're accusing of being a pure clone?22:19
ali1234waking mars22:20
directhexi don't have that one, so don't feel qualified to comment on it22:20
ali1234it's an almost exact copy of a game called exile from 16 bit days22:21
popeyexile? the BBC Micro game?22:21
bigcalmExile was fun on the BBC micro22:21
ali1234possibly22:21
ali1234i only know the amiga version22:21
popeygiant place you jetpack about in22:21
ali1234yep22:21
popeyyeah, first on BBC22:21
bigcalmI didn't get that vibe while playing it22:21
ali1234yeah, it's not as good22:22
popeyamazing that it was crowbar'ed into the BBC22:22
directhexi mean, just looking at my library, you've basically got to go out of your way to be a giant douche to call any of the first page of games clones22:22
bigcalmBitter memories about that game. A school friend lent me their copy and I managed to format the floppy thinking I was working on a different disc :(22:22
directhex"oh, braid has jumping, it's clearly a mario clone", etc22:22
ali1234legend of grimrock is an exact copy of dungeon master with updated graphics, but it is a good one22:22
popeyhah22:22
popeyi lost my copy of exile when my disks were confiscated22:23
popeybecause I wrote a virus22:23
bigcalmHaha22:23
directhex"bastion has talking in it, it's clearly a teddy ruxpin clone"22:23
ali1234EDGE is a copy of marble madness/spin dizzy, except not as good22:24
popeyahhh spin dizzy22:24
popeyloved the physics of that game22:24
popeyway more than marble madness22:24
popeymm felt like you're moving in treacle22:24
mgdmnever played that but I remember talk of it22:24
directhexmmm, "copy" is something of an exageration methinks. the block shape dynamics are a huge part of edge22:24
popeyPaul Shirley iirc22:24
directhexi've got marble madness for NES somewhere. lord i hated that game22:24
ali1234braid basically is a clone of mario but with added annoying game mechanics. it would have been better if it was a straight clone22:25
directhexyeah, okay, so in ali1234 there are only eight games22:25
ali1234beat.trip beat... is barely even a game22:25
directhexone platform game that everything is "an exact copy of", one racing game that everything is "an exact copy of", etc22:25
directhexman i keep missing words today, and i'm not even drunk22:26
directhexin ali1234 world22:26
* bigcalm quaffs a Hobgoblin22:26
ali1234there's a couple of sub genres in racing games22:26
directhexwhat's atom zombie smasher a clone of?22:26
directhex(this ought to be good)22:26
ali1234there's the realistic ones, the mario kart-y ones, and the middle ground of stuff like wipeout22:27
ali1234never played atom zombie smasher22:27
directhexhow about blur? that's a realistic racer with power-ups22:29
ali1234never heard of it22:29
ali1234if you don't throw banana skins etc it's not a mario kart clone22:29
ali1234if you drive over stuff and it makes you go faster it's not realistic22:30
directhexhow about if you can drive a BMW M3 E92, but also throw banana peels?22:32
ali1234then it's cross genre and probably terrible22:33
ali1234oh yeah... torchlight = diablo clone22:33
ali1234i dunno if it's really good or not... i mean it does the job22:34
bigcalmCor, Beat Hazard is fun :D22:34
directhextorchlight's main developers worked on an old isometric game in the 1990s when they worked for blizzard22:34
bigcalmOn the PC anyway22:34
ali1234the binding of isaac is zelda, but with an edgy setting22:35
directhexyeah, it's not at all zelda22:35
directhexbest comparison for that one is Smash TV22:36
directhexwhich you should have played, as an amiga owner22:36
ali1234yeah, i did22:36
directhexin the general case, BoI is an edge case in the reasonably well defined genre of "roguelikes"22:37
ali1234wut22:37
directhexsee also FTL22:37
ali1234any game with random elements does not make it a roguelike22:38
directhexany top-down game does not make it zelda!22:39
directhexand any platform game with a jump button does not make it mario!22:40
bigcalmWhat's a good vertical shooter like Xenon2? I miss playing that on the school library PC22:40
ali1234no, but having a minimap and treasure chests and hunting for keys does!22:40
ali1234bigcalm: xenon 222:41
bigcalmThat I can play on linux...22:41
ali1234also if you playd the PC version, LOL22:41
directhexbigcalm, that you own? maybe jamestown22:41
directhexit was in HIB422:41
mgdmNot Jaynestown? That'd be a good setting for a game22:42
bigcalmali1234: our school was full of acorn hardware. The library had the only PC. You did what you could get away with22:42
ali1234bigcalm: let me put it another way. if you never played the amiga version you missed out on about half the game22:43
bigcalmmgdm: the ep in which Simon and Kaylee _almost_ got it on. So sweet22:43
ali1234go and download it nao22:43
bigcalmali1234: never been near an Amiga22:43
directhexbigcalm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH5U92K0JgM ?22:44
mgdmbigcalm: that's not the first thing that comes to mind about that episode22:44
mgdmbigcalm: you old romantic, you22:44
bigcalmmgdm: :D22:44
bigcalmdirecthex: humm, interesting22:45
bigcalmNot sure I bought hib422:45
bigcalmTell a lie, I did22:46
bigcalmdirecthex: it's not in hib422:46
bigcalmAh, it's not in hib android 422:47
popeyooh http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/5/4068404/valve-will-hand-out-steam-box-prototypes-in-the-next-three-to-four22:47
bigcalmI don't have hib 4 (sans android)22:47
bigcalmpopey: oo, you'll be nabbing one I take it?22:48
popeynah22:49
popeyi expect you have to be special22:49
popeylike directhex :D22:49
bigcalm"special"22:49
AlanBellchoo choo22:51
directhexbigcalm, android hibs are not related to non-android hibs. the number scheme is different. there's only occasional overlap22:51
directhexbigcalm, did you buy hib6? jamestown was added to that22:52
bigcalmdirecthex: yep and I see it. Ta :)22:53
popeywow, super hexagon is chuffing hard23:27
directhexit's from the vvvvvv guy23:29
popeynot played vvvvvvvvv23:29
popeyi have it, just not got round to it23:29
directhexit's a double clone of mario, since you can walk on both the floor and the ceiling23:29
popeysounds like a rip off of bear bovver23:30
popeybut without the lack of innovative flip move23:30
AlanBelldouble negatives are twice as good as single ones23:46

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