[04:11] exit [05:04] morning [05:29] morning Squirm [05:33] morning superfly and others [05:40] * Squirm goes back to sleep [06:05] morning Kilos-, Squirm, henkj [06:05] hey superfly [06:05] o/ lo oom Kilos-, superfly, Squirm, henkj [06:05] oh no, it's nuvolari! [06:06] hi henkj nuvolari [06:06] wake up Squirm its a lovely day [06:21] hi Tonberry [06:26] * Squirm[Web] looks around [06:26] so I somehow broke my lts server. it was all working nicely, now it's booting as a fat client :/ [06:35] so it was fine, then I dunno what I did [06:35] LTSP_FATCLIENT=false [06:35] adding that fixed it [06:52] lts server is coming along :) [07:37] good morning Squirm[Web], henkj, superfly, nuvolari and everyone else [07:37] Maaz: tell Kilos good morning sir [07:37] inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [07:38] morning inetpro [07:58] hi inetpro [08:15] hi inetpro [08:19] good day [08:20] good morning and wb magespawn [08:21] hey inetpro [08:21] you doing Kilos duty? [08:22] o/ howdy magespawn [08:22] hi inetpro [08:22] hey nuvolari [08:24] :-) [08:25] I guess somebody has to do it [08:25] * inetpro wonders where he is today [08:30] he was here this morning [08:31] probable reinstalling again [08:31] something did not work or stopped working [08:31] what is it with the constant reinstalling? [08:32] he likes it when things work [08:33] his logic is it used to work so something in an upgrade killed [08:33] it [08:33] i see [08:34] and he does some fairly insane things with his hardware [08:36] we think he should be a tester for ubuntu [08:37] define insane [08:38] unplugging a internal hard drive in between finish of install and reboot [08:38] should be fine if its sata [08:38] sortof [08:39] but why? [08:42] he said that was the only way it would workd [08:43] s/workd/work [08:43] i never found ou if the power was still on that drive [08:43] s/ou/out [08:43] typing gremlins [09:17] morning all [09:29] morning ThatGraemeGuy, magespawn [10:12] hey supefly ThatGraemeGuy [10:12] superfly: [10:12] better [10:12] :-) [10:34] hi guys [10:35] seems webchat.freenode.com is blocked but not irc.freneode.com lol [10:52] heh [11:35] many hours no power today [11:35] sigh [11:36] * Kilos- greets you all [11:44] w00t inetpro konversation bloep [11:49] G'day Kilos- nie genoeg kraag nie? [11:49] nee pts krag speel weer [11:49] pta [11:50] my Telkom line is completely out as of yesterday. Second time in a month [11:52] soon they will stop replacing it like they didi here and ofter peeps their broadband phones [11:53] oh you not onna a [11:53] plot or farm hey [12:06] ty for the follow up tumbleweed [12:06] will point neil to it [12:09] Kilos-: bloep? [12:09] bell.ogg [12:10] how come you acting doff? we spent hours trying to make xchat bloep on kde then quassel [12:11] now i know how here but will still try with quassel [12:12] i just put bell.ogg in /usr/share/sounds [12:13] then configured konversation to use it not the feeble plllling [12:16] Kilos-: np. maiatoday says she may turn that into a blog post, too [12:16] great [12:17] hiya maiatoday [12:38] hey Kilos [12:38] some more info on the Free State Website http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62225:Backlash-over-Free-State-Web-site&catid=118 [12:44] hi magespawn [12:44] we were wondering if you did more installs? [12:44] Education: [12:44] whoops wrong program [13:00] lol [13:00] will try get unity working some time again [13:06] hi Kilos- :) [13:06] hi ThatGraemeGuy [13:18] Is there a way, with something like diff, to only display the modified lines? [13:18] or at least split the modified lines from the new lines, so I can see which are new and which have changed [13:18] diff or grep will tell me what all the differences are. but I want to know what's new and what has just been modified [13:22] maybe diff's output to diffstat? [13:22] s/maybe/maybe pipe/ [13:22] i don't think diff understands "modified", it just knows about "removed" and "added" as far as lines go [13:52] it knows what's been modified [13:52] but it ouputs it exactly the same as added lines [14:08] Kilos-: you look funny with your tail [14:08] and even sound funny [14:08] ai! [14:09] Squirm: diff -u oldFile newFile [14:10] Squirm: if you use kde you can also use kompare [14:11] a very nice gui to show you the differences [14:11] hi Kilos [14:14] aw === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [14:15] haha i just got the morning message from maaz [14:15] he is also getting old [14:16] or was it a skelm trick ?? [14:17] might be going for a job interview soon [14:18] doing what magespawn? [14:18] ian is at one now [14:18] hope he gets it, 4 times his current salary [14:19] Safari Manager at a local hotel [14:19] ah that sounds nice [14:19] you sure they dont want a free IT guy [14:19] Safari's Manager [14:20] maybe, funny thing is I do it work for them now anyway [14:20] same hotel where you fix pc's hey? [14:20] yup [14:20] hehe [14:20] just tell them IT work is over and above [14:20] and get it in writing [14:21] the message was from the ai! guy [14:21] guess who [14:22] lol no need [14:22] learned a new apt-get command today [14:23] apt-get --purge remove package === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:23] always tried it as apt-get purge package [14:24] hi Trixar_za [14:24] Hey Kilos [14:26] what is happening with the sakis3g site Trixar_za? [14:26] they been down forever [14:26] No clue, but I'm pretty sure it's disappeared into the ether like it's forums [14:26] Like it's author too [14:26] lol [14:27] He disappeared 3 years ago too [14:27] so open your own site [14:28] lotsa sites refer to sakis3g when nm dont see modem [14:28] oh my . i wonder if he is still alive [14:29] and make your site the same so its installable from there [14:29] the wget way [14:29] inetpro: diff -u is close [14:29] and it has to be cli [14:30] * Trixar_za is lazy :P [14:33] lol i battled to install it coupla days ago [14:33] ended up extracting on desktop and right clicking a choosing run in terminal [14:35] but only gave that option on kde not unity [14:36] haai Banlam bakuman julle baie still ne [14:37] It needs several updates and the one terminal interface is broken [14:37] ai! [14:37] Yay! Demo arbor unit getting plugged in tonight <3 [14:37] and some mods so you dont have to APN_PASS etc [14:40] oh thats for peeps that use username and password on modem hey [14:41] twits [14:41] Actually you don't. Also just setting APN= in /etc/sakis3g.conf removes the asking [14:42] It just asks to make sure the one in the internal conf is still correct [14:42] If you force it, it doesn't ask [14:42] oh lekker ty ill do that for next time i need it [14:46] you should have a file with your tips and tricks for doff peeps like me === henkj_ is now known as henkj [15:21] wb henkj [15:21] ty Kilos [15:21] BTW, if you have the available bandwidth you should watch the vUDS in session at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21677/community-1303-roundtable/ [15:22] or any other sessions you are interested in [15:22] ai! [15:22] * tumbleweed finds community sessions can be rather un-productive [15:22] tumbleweed: which on eare you watching? [15:22] or rather taking part in? [15:23] tumbleweed: maiatoday well done to your group at the jam [15:23] inetpro: foundations-1, right now [15:23] but my ADSL sucks atm [15:24] hmm... [15:24] * inetpro is about to go home and unfortunately won't be able to listen in [15:24] blame Symmetria too much slacking [15:24] go safe inetpro [15:25] our bandwidth is still way to restrictive [15:26] heh I gave up trying to fix .za bandwidth ;p now Im trying to fix african bandwidth instead [15:28] dankie Kilos [15:28] heh gonna start playing with a device called and arbor peakflow in the next few hours [15:28] its the most awesome piece of kit from everything Ive seen [15:28] netflow analyzer on steroids [15:43] hmm sound still dont work in xchat === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [16:20] hi all [16:22] hi Kilos [16:23] ohi theblazehen [16:23] whats up? didn't see you earlier- 3g problems? [16:23] time you start using kubuntu [16:23] hehe [16:24] guess who needs help [16:24] Kilos, on my hardware? [16:24] Kilos, whats your problem this time? [16:24] what hardware? [16:24] lol [16:24] non-working gpu, 2gb ram, 1.6 GHz dual core with hyperthreading. Makes it act like 800 Mhz quad-core [16:25] everything works in kde now except i prefer xchat to konversation and quassel [16:25] Kilos, Good :) [16:25] liking KDE? [16:25] in unity i can show hidden files in home but dunno how to do that on kde [16:25] yeah its lekker [16:26] apt-get install thunar. [16:26] bit slower than unity but faster with installs [16:26] gives you the xfce file man. More features than nautilus [16:26] Kilos, good to know. might try a live cd on school pc's [16:27] i have a single core 3g cpu and 2g ram here [16:27] Lekker :) [16:27] no hyperthreading [16:27] still good [16:27] yours is faster so kde should be fine by you [16:28] bet you also have onboard graphics? [16:28] dual cores are faster hey? [16:28] nope got a nvidia fx something [16:28] old one [16:28] 1 2Ghz dual core = 1 4Ghz single core [16:28] Kilos: I have xubuntu on my netbook, it runs quite well [16:28] needs nvidia-173 drivers installed [16:29] Kilos, all my rendering is done in software. [16:29] which is a 1.6GHz Intel Atom and 2Gb RAM [16:29] 16mb of dedicated graphics(not sure about it though) [16:29] Squirm, which model atom? [16:29] so getting a dualcore cpu here is a waste [16:29] Squirm, nvm. [16:29] theblazehen: N450 [16:30] Squirm, was wondering which drivers you used [16:30] Squirm, Mine is N2600 [16:30] ah [16:30] I think my netbook is turning 3 in a few months [16:31] Squirm, Lasts long :) acer aspire one by any chance? [16:31] the one and the same [16:31] Awesome :) [16:31] in Red [16:32] well, maroony red [16:32] Mine is black. The red doesen't look too bad either(saw someone using one) [16:32] I've even accidentally pulled it off my desk [16:32] while running [16:32] plugged in? [16:32] yep [16:32] and it's lasted another 2 years with no issues [16:33] same hdd [16:33] I have a Toshiba nb505 [16:33] my brother dropped it off his bed while playing a game [16:33] awesome piece of hardware [16:33] and netbooks are damn easy to open compared to a laptop [16:34] Squirm, really? my old acer laptop was a lot easier [16:34] I find laptop manufacturers put screws in funny places [16:34] you can't do that with a netbook [16:34] minimal screws anyway [16:35] ok [16:35] hi superfly how do i get to see hidden files in /home [16:35] Kilos: I know in Gnome it's ctrl+h [16:35] i installed thunar but home still opens same way [16:35] Kilos-: Ctrl+. [16:35] Kilos, in the tools menu [16:35] (in Dolphin) [16:35] ty superfly [16:35] thought it may be different in KDE [16:36] ls -a always works :) [16:36] lemme just double-check that, I don't normally use Dolphin [16:36] I'll bbl. going to go have a few games of squash [16:36] then maybe a swim [16:36] na it made it bigger [16:36] Kilos-: it's Alt+. [16:36] ty sir [16:37] nope dont work [16:37] what do you use in place of dolphin [16:38] I use nautilus atm [16:38] sorry didint see the . [16:38] unity file manager [16:44] Kilos-: did it work now? [16:44] Kilos-: I use Krusader [16:44] yes ty superfly [16:45] alt+. works fine === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [16:48] stupid xchat alerts , must need gnome stuff installed [16:48] will stay on konversation [17:19] ty theblazehen thunar is much like nautilus methinks. easy to conf [17:19] np [17:20] and i dont have to remember alt+. too [17:20] hehe [17:20] Yea:) shouldn't it keep the setting though? [17:20] thunar does [17:21] no had to do it again [17:21] that really sucks. [17:24] the one on unity doesnt remember either [17:24] on 10.10 it did [17:24] but with the option edit show hidden its not too bad [17:25] I heard that ubuntu is removing features and that mint forked it and put the features back [17:25] or view [17:25] i forget now [17:25] ok [17:26] maybe i must use my night surfer data to get the new kubuntu [17:26] if i can stay awake [17:26] Eish.. Forgot you using 3G. that stuff is expensive [17:27] sleep $seconds && wget $kubuntu_url [17:28] eek lotsa seconds till 11pm [17:29] lol put in a big number then [17:29] lol [18:18] so how about that mir then? [18:18] hi grantw [18:19] ohi nlsthzn [18:19] you see in mail there is a report for you [18:20] Not seen ... I suspect gmail is spamminating mail again :/ [18:21] ohi grantw, great to see you back in IRC after the Global Jam [18:21] ah, I see about the global jam uncle Kilos ... k got it [18:21] ah good [18:24] they worked hard that group [18:25] Kilos: how hard? [18:25] hard enough to double up my headache [18:25] hehe [18:26] hmm.. [18:26] well everyone is going to have to work much harder as it seems Ubuntu is doing everything anew now :) [18:27] will be easier if they just do lts releases methinks [18:27] i like their new idea [18:27] the 6 monthly bit is heavy and lotsa work [18:28] have you heard of mir uncle Kilos ? [18:28] nope nlsthzn what is it [18:29] Canonical is working on their own display server to replace X ... [18:29] ditched wayland [18:30] oh [18:30] x has been driving me mad here [18:30] xserver.xorg [18:32] x drives everyone mad [18:32] hehe [18:32] if i do apt-get dist-upgrade i cant boot to gui anymore [18:33] Well, all the geeks are at each others throats on IRC and the new place to flame G+ ... I guess it was time for the next holy war, it has been ages since unity... [18:33] then aptitude removes some packages with quantel in the package name but still no gui boot [18:34] quantal [18:34] where on irc nlsthzn [18:34] #ubuntu? [18:36] nope, there was a big debate on the wayland channel... basically canonical said wayland can't do XYZ and the devs there is a bit miffed at this and have basically pointed out they can do that and more... just reading the news headlines myself... I am sure by next week nobody will know or care (so much) [18:36] lol [18:36] as long as ubuntu keeps working im happy [18:37] geeks seem to be highly strung peeps with short tempers [18:37] except for the fly [18:37] he has the patience of jobe [18:38] back [18:38] wb Squirm [18:39] Hi superfly [18:39] hi Kilos [18:39] Kilos: I think you're thinking of the wrong person, I'm most impatient [18:40] nope superfly you have helped me when i woulda said go back to school [18:40] and that guy that needed help and kept threatening to go back to ms you were such a gentleman [18:41] i woulda vloeked him [18:41] says the man who allows no bad language ;) [18:41] i remember when i was starting out with Linux, i had to pay people for help :'( [18:41] lol i woulda vloeked him in nice language [18:42] diplomaticallt [18:42] lol [18:42] sure [18:42] Maaz: diplomat [18:42] A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip [18:42] grantw: I figured a lot out myself, with the basic workings of linux(gui etc.), then I found this place [18:42] and the Surrey LUG(UK) [18:43] aw grantwthat sucks [18:43] yes, this is the best place, but back 10 yrs ago, I had little access to Internet [18:43] i tried #ubuntu and couldnt keep up then used the lists for help and the fly told me how to install xchat and come here [18:43] * nlsthzn is the guy that went back to windows... well on the desktop at least... lappy still happy with the buntu [18:44] no nlsthznthere was an aggressive twit came here once [18:44] arrogant little dropping [18:44] nlsthzn: I also switched back [18:44] gave the fly many ugly words [18:44] maybe twice [18:44] I've been using Linux on off for years, but recently switched a year ago to using it as my main desktop [18:45] nlsthzn: I've been enjoying Steam on Linux :-) [18:45] after seeing what the future of computing will be like, i.e. Apple and Windows 8, i think Linux is the only hope [18:46] grantw: I think I may have switched over maybe 4 years ago now [18:46] yeah [18:46] maybe 3 [18:47] superfly, it is awesome it came out ... I have purchased several games specifically to support... but it just makes me want to break things when Unity and my graphics driver and games decide to go all ape and leave me having to restart... but oh well... all things will become better in time I guess [18:47] Kilos: konversation is still better than xchat [18:47] you're just used to xchat [18:47] * Kilos has doubts about that [18:48] inetpro: that can't be true though. KDE is terrible in general [18:48] but it can bloep now so im happy [18:48] * Squirm hides [18:48] lol [18:48] konversation is actually the best irc client I ever used, in many ways [18:48] kde rocks Squirm [18:48] quassel just trumps it in one way only, client <-> server mode [18:48] I may look at quassel [18:49] I have AndroIRC on my cell, it's quite nice [18:49] if it was a bit more resource hungry i wouldnt even look at unity [18:49] found I don't really use it though [18:49] quassel is ok but got feeble sounds i cant hear from the kitchen [18:49] * nlsthzn is thinking of trying 12.3 when it drops (openSUSE) ... there KDE implementation looks amazing... new theme and branding etc... very slick [18:50] nlsthzn: 12.3 ? [18:50] opensuse [18:51] inetpro, ... releasing in 7 days [18:51] nlsthzn: why 12.3 ? [18:51] it's 2013 [18:51] or you could just use Mint MATE [18:52] linux has so many distros and gui that the arguments could go on forever [18:52] inetpro, openSUSE has there own numbering convention... AFAIK there is something like 3 releases in a cycle of 24 months... this is the third and last... [18:53] they are on a 8 month release cycle [18:57] Squirm: talking about diff, here's some more magic from climagic [18:57] diff <(grep = config.txt) <(grep = config.txt-new) [18:58] that looks like... and interesting command [18:58] good night all... yet another day shift for me coming up \o/ [18:58] cheers nlsthzn [18:58] lemme just log into my work machie and try it quick [18:59] night nlsthzn [18:59] sleep tight [19:00] Squirm: it just looks very confusing but isn't really [19:00] and doesn't work [19:00] :/ [19:00] hmm... [19:00] $ diff <(grep = support.csv.old) <(grep = support.csv) [19:00] returns no output [19:01]