[00:01] Quintasan: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21688/desktop-r-ubuntukylin-inputmethod-ibus-or-fcitx/ might be interesting to you [00:02] works for me so far, and it has a cleaner look than launchpad [00:02] + no dead links all over the page [00:03] I think we should have someone go to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21666/community-xubuntu-contingencies/ [00:03] apachelogger: what's agile about "don't update for a month if you want to use the snapshot, but you'll have to update to rolling if you want (security) updates" [00:03] I'll be busy at a pre-arranged real life meeting [00:04] yofel: it sounds agile [00:04] I didn't say it is agile :P [00:05] ... [00:05] Riddell: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21670/community-1303-quality-rolling/ is interesting too [00:05] Riddell: when is that? [00:06] apachelogger: what's what? [00:06] bah, monthly snapshotting is at the same time as the xubuntu session [00:06] Riddell: the xubuntu thing [00:06] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/2013-03-06/ 18:15 [00:06] the page does not state a time or anything [00:06] when is the meeting? [00:06] I'm at least in the channel now [00:06] * apachelogger shakes head [00:07] apachelogger: xubuntu discussing how to live with no non-LTS releases, we'll have much the same issues to worth sharing [00:07] good thing we have a so well integrated online uds system [00:07] valorie: which meeting? [00:07] have to go elsewhere to see when a session takes place -.- [00:07] the xubuntu [00:07] valorie: tomorrow 18:15 UTC [00:07] ah, OK [00:07] yes, I think I can make that [00:07] skellat: ⇈ [00:07] * apachelogger is not sure but can try [00:08] skellat: ༒ [00:08] I don't have technical know-how, but I've read up on the issues [00:08] valorie: can you use a google hangout? [00:08] yes [00:08] valorie: Make sure you subscribe to the blueprint, mark attending on Summit, and then I can marked you "required" so you can be on camera via Google Hangout [00:09] check, and check [00:10] plus points if you wear a fancy hat :) [00:11] valorie: You're good to go. The big thing is to look over the question I set out on the blueprint, be ready to briefly raise a summary of Kubuntu's worries about all of this, and be ready to discuss steps and contingencies all of us among the flavors have looking forward. We don't have many good options at this point but it is still important to build a record. [00:13] The main idea why the session was so close to the end was so that it could be a stock-take of everything else that happened so that from the flavors perspective we could start stating how things appear to us. [00:14] E-mails and planet posts are great but sounding reasonable and calm on video in this day and age helps a lot [00:14] :-) [00:16] And now I need to disappear for a while... [00:16] * skellat disappears to join family watching Wheel of Fortune [00:19] apachelogger: :) [00:19] apachelogger: and rolling sounds like something pigs do ;) [00:19] ^^ [00:47] fancy hat! [00:47] I'll look for one [00:47] I have a kubuntu hat if nothing else [00:47] :-) [00:47] now to dinner [00:48] "summary of Kubuntu's worries" is a doc I will work on in 4-5 hours [00:49] if someone wants to start a pad and thoughts before that, that would be great [00:49] * valorie disappears [01:03] I'm on slashdot! [01:03] fame and fortune are mine at last [01:03] "slashdot is weird" [01:04] Riddell: lol [01:04] that's what you get for trolling :P [01:05] would it be socially acceptable to add a "p.s. I'm single and eligable incase any cute slashdot ladies in the 25-35ish age bracket are interested"? [01:06] Riddell: slashdot link? [01:06] slashdot.org [01:07] Riddell: I guess [01:07] Meh [01:07] http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/03/05/2256243/gnome-founder-miguel-de-icaza-moves-to-mac [01:07] it's my bitchy one about gnome rather than my bitchy one about canonical [01:08] too much bitching about canonical :P [01:14] apachelogger: Is that possible? [01:15] dunno [01:15] see, I am restraining myself [01:15] so I try to not think about it too much [01:15] Alcohol probably helps with that. [01:16] Hmmm. [01:16] ENOAVAIL [01:16] Ohhhh. So sad for you. [01:16] * ScottK is just realizing that with a big snowstorm coming tonight, it's probably 36 hours before he has any need to be sober enough to drive. [01:18] oh [01:18] party time until power's gone I guess? :) [01:20] Then I'll need the alcohol so my blood doesn't solidify. [01:22] hm [01:22] not enough alcohol for now and later? [01:23] I've never seen an actual snowstorm I think [01:24] Really? [01:24] * ScottK thought you lived in a reasonably snow ridden country. [01:24] No, I think we have plenty, just commenting that an early start would provide benefits later. [01:25] we get windy snowing, nothing what I would call a snowstorm though [01:25] Holy.... yup that's snow [01:26] perhaps my perception of snow is off [01:26] hehehe. I can't see 20m from my house [01:27] glorious sunshine in Scotland for the last week, all welcome here [01:27] Snow was falling too hard. [01:27] :D [01:27] is that a snowstorm? [01:27] My mailbox has nevr been this bad. [01:28] * apachelogger wanted to write visionary stuff -.- [01:28] just write a bitchy blog post and you'll get it on slashdot [01:29] ^^ === jacky- is now known as jacky [06:44] good morning [06:48] Riddell, did you received my message yesterday ? [06:49] Kubuntu Worries: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgbZJgsCVaItWtd-zldemD7B0kssrjnPK95jyvMipQs/edit?usp=sharing [06:49] anyone with the link can edit [06:49] Gdocs since the meeting is a Hangout [07:41] yofel: Where can I find KDE SC 4.10.1 for Precise? I think I need to add a ppa or something? First have to install precise though. [07:42] Good morning, btw o/ === Adityab_ is now known as Adityab [08:00] Riddell: you amuse me with your blog posts === jacky- is now known as jacky [08:19] soee: no what did you say? [08:20] lordievader: got kubuntu ninjas details? [08:21] Riddell: What do you mean? [08:21] Riddell, 4.10.1 tested on Raring, no errors, no problems during and after upgrade [08:25] Riddell: just curious - given the blog post you posted yesterday... don't you have to remove your own blog for being "unconstructive" - that was the word, wasn't it? [08:28] hey, can somebody please add me to Kubuntu0s Trello group? I already have an account [08:29] mgraesslin: I was highlighting the need to remove blogs which are unconstructive, that's a very constructive thing to do! [08:30] Mamarok: I think that's it done [08:30] and the p.s.? /me didn't know planetkde and slashdot are a dating platform [08:31] lordievader: do you know how to install from ninjas? [08:31] mgraesslin: oh you'd be surprised, I'm getting the offers flooding in [08:31] or I'm sure they will any minute now [08:31] Riddell: Uhmm, no. [08:32] :-D [08:32] lordievader: msg'ed [08:32] add that for precise [08:32] and update && dist-upgrade [08:33] Riddell: thanks, but you added me as a memberto a board, not as a member to the group :) [08:33] Riddell: To the sources I take, shouldn't it be precise? [08:33] lordievader: yes [08:34] Mamarok: try now? [08:40] Riddell: works, thank you :) [08:43] valorie: why Xubuntu? are you no longer using Kubuntu? [08:43] they have a session scheduled, and we do not [08:44] well, then we should schedule one, I doubt they will care much for KDE [08:44] and the other devels have conflicting schedules [08:44] no, they know we have common issues [08:44] as a fellow 'Flavor' [08:45] they asked for one of us (at least) to attend [08:45] Ok, cool. Updating now to 4.10.1 :) [08:45] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgbZJgsCVaItWtd-zldemD7B0kssrjnPK95jyvMipQs/edit?usp=sharing [08:45] [22:49] anyone with the link can edit [08:45] if you would like to chime in [08:45] can we talk a little about how we can use these developments to our advantage? ie. if the Mir thing didnt come up, we would actually be happy about ubuntu moving to Qt [08:45] valorie: yes, I have seen that, but why not make a blueprint? [08:46] gosh, Summit, I hate you! [08:46] it doesn't let me log in , same problem every time, that thing just sucks big time! [08:47] well, I'm not in charge of that [08:47] valorie: I know, I didn't blame you [08:47] we're planning a kubuntu session this weekend, when there are some answers [08:47] this is basically a list of our questions [08:47] I hope we get some answers [08:48] everything seems so amorphous now [08:49] Riddell, packages for Quantal are ready ? [08:49] if yes i can test now [08:50] soee: yes [08:50] jussi: I think we CAN use the developments to our advantage [08:50] yofel, but i have no ninjas ppa here at work - can you sed me ? [08:50] but some answers about what will actually happen will be good to hear [08:53] jussi: ubuntu moving to Qt (again) is nice, means we get them to do lots of work on the Qt 5 packages, and we get to feel smug about making the right toolkit choice many years ago, but not much other advantage for us [08:54] Riddell: but come on, how important is that nice smug feeling!? [08:55] I think the contribution raise both to Qt5 and its packaging will actually be significant to us. [08:55] jussi: oh totally, being smug gets you on the front page of slashdot so I'm all for it [08:55] lol [08:56] it would be nice if patches went upstream though [08:56] valorie: don't forget to sleep before 18:00 UTC :) [08:56] going to bed soon, for sure [08:56] looooong day tomorrow [08:59] oh my, I was just not aware that UDS is now... [09:01] yeah [09:01] tons of stuff dumped on us this last week [09:08] Riddell: shamelessly self-advertising now? ;) [09:08] yofel: can you give me access to the mumble db [09:08] Riddell: :D Nice "Im single come and get me" there also :P [09:08] sec [09:09] guys why thers always this message when upgrading kde: http://pastebin.com/yUt4wadE ? i knnow i shoudl ignore this but shouldn't this be removed/fixed ? [09:11] shadeslayer: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/mumble-server.sqlite [09:11] Riddell: 4.10.1 installs, boots and runs nicely on 12.04.2 :D [09:14] Hmm the Search and Launch activity has a bug though, you can search but not open anything. [09:16] lordievader: awooga [09:17] Riddell: A log-out, log-in has fixed it. [09:19] soee: that mime types will be listed in some applications .desktop file but not listed in mime database [09:20] should be some simple grepping to track down [09:20] Riddell, yofel upgrade on 12.10 done, no errors/problems and my desktop panel shadow is back also :) [09:20] 4.10 -> 4.10.1 [09:21] Riddell: Is there some test report I need to fill in somewhere about 4.10.1? [09:23] lordievader: just add it to http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas please [09:28] I just upgrade 4.10.1 on 12.10, works fine, nothing bad I can see so far [09:29] upgraded* [09:31] yofel: You don't have permission to access /kubuntu/mumble-server.sqlite on this server. [09:31] *blink* [09:32] oops, it's 640 [09:32] shadeslayer: now [09:32] Mamarok: great [09:32] got it [09:33] yofel: any ideas where it's stored by default? [09:33] /var/lib/mumble-server/ [09:33] thx [09:34] ooh Martin Owens leaving http://doctormo.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-membership-2/ [09:35] shadeslayer: more specifically: [09:35] 15092337 4.0K drwxr-x--- 3 mumble-server mumble-server 4.0K Mar 1 02:18 /var/lib/mumble-server/ [09:35] mmm okay [09:35] * Riddell considers a "wanting an ubuntu community? kubuntu still is just that" post [09:36] doctormo is blocked in India :( [09:37] shadeslayer: read it on planet ubuntu [09:37] it's timing out for me o.O [09:37] yeah that's what I'm doing [09:42] Riddell: doeet [09:42] that's pretty much I was thinking of about this situation [09:43] Sad to see him "leave", even if he's saying what I've been thinking for a while [09:46] should I be trying to schedule a mumble session for some day soon? [09:46] I still try hold ubuntu name related to me, but I've been considering the last year or so if I should just stick with kubuntu (email address etc) [09:47] Tm_T: don't let canonical's antisocial attitude to community rub off on Kubuntu! [09:48] (I actually don't entirely disagree with canonical's antisocial attitude to community, kde/gnome haven't taken over the world, fair enough they try something else, just a shame for their community) [09:48] it feels like now after upgrade on 12.10 all forks a bit smoother :) [09:48] Riddell: it's the communication, how and when they do it what bothers me most [09:48] also how decisions are done, not the actual outcomes of decisions [09:49] I wonder if I posted to ubuntu-devel saying kubuntu is switching to qt-razor if it would be believed given what's happened recently [09:49] "look we have this new product! go ask more from community!" ... "uh, we know only what's on that web page?" [09:52] on a completely different topic, random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/688526/ [09:52] heh [09:53] Riddell: one moment, I have a reply for you to send [09:54] Riddell: http://www.cipsum.com/ [09:57] Riddell: nice one :) [10:00] yofel: can you check if mumble stuff works on ec2-23-23-39-41.compute-1.amazonaws.com [10:00] with the whole db and what not [10:01] it's not connecting. Firewall open? [10:02] oh, I forgot to expose the service :| [10:02] try now? [10:03] well, I'm connected [10:04] shadeslayer: I don't see the session setup though [10:04] shadeslayer: will there be a telepathy upload before feature freeze? [10:05] Riddell: yes [10:05] waiting on upstream [10:05] no tarballs that I know of [10:05] how does one see the server? [10:06] shadeslayer: here's the DB contents: http://paste.kde.org/688538/ - see channel table, that's not showing up [10:06] *channels table [10:06] hmm [10:10] huzzah [10:10] Riddell: can you connect to ec2-23-23-39-41.compute-1.amazonaws.com [10:10] using le mumble [10:10] rofl, text-to-speech: \o/ -> channel shadeslayer backslash-o-slash [10:11] hahaha [10:16] :P -> colon p === murthy_ is now known as murthy [10:17] hello everyone [10:18] I think I'm connected -- someone say something [10:18] valorie: hi [10:18] haha [10:18] I mean to the mumble server [10:19] oh, :) [10:19] someone would have to move from afk ^^ [10:19] (not me, I can't talk here) [10:19] ah [10:20] I heard it say I'm connected [10:20] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/688562/ with local.yaml as : http://paste.kde.org/688568/ [10:20] but hear nothing [10:20] valorie: now? [10:21] erm, that script is slightly wrong [10:21] well, I see you [10:22] but if we're using all text, IRC is easier [10:22] lol [10:22] how's this? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community [10:22] haha [10:22] http://paste.kde.org/688574/ [10:23] Riddell: I don't think we should burn our Ubuntu bridges quite yet [10:23] ^ [10:23] yofel: you could hear me earlier right? [10:23] valorie: I'm not sure what's left to burn [10:23] shadeslayer: I can hear you tapping... [10:23] true, but [10:24] we don't have infra to move to yet [10:24] so while we're here, we should be friendly, IMO [10:24] valorie: I'm not saying Kubuntu should move out of Ubuntu, I'm saying disillusioned people from elsewhere in ubuntu should come here [10:24] everyone else is going nutso, so we should be the calm, friendly ones [10:24] yes, but please wait a few hours before re-reading [10:25] there is a definite edge to your post [10:26] I can't hear any of you if you're speaking [10:26] yofel: the loud tapping is because my mic is located right next to the keyboard I think [10:26] I've frozen mumble by running the audio wizard [10:26] right next to the speaker [10:26] I have no idea why apple thought that would be a good idea [10:27] well, I need to go to bed so I can think tomorrow at the Xub. session [10:27] niters all [10:27] sweet dreams valorie [10:27] night valorie [10:27] shadeslayer: two things in that case: 1) *please* use headphones at least. 2) possible use push-to-talk [10:27] *possibly [10:27] push what to talk? [10:27] spacebar? [10:28] bleah [10:28] heh, yeah will do [10:28] => bed [10:28] I didn't find out what's the default (IIRC none). You can set it up by going advanced in the menu [10:28] then configure a custom shortcut for it [10:28] night valorie [10:29] hmm [10:29] lets use g+ :D :P :P :P :D [10:30] yofel: hm, don't see something that allows me to change the push to talk button [10:30] as I said, go advanced, then set a custom shortcut button [10:31] there is a little advanced checkbox in the bottom-left corner of the settings window [10:31] it's in "Settings" for me [10:31] xD [10:32] alright, now that we have it working, how about we actually schedule sessions and talk? [10:34] hrm, what is the mumble server - I want to connect/test [10:34] shadeslayer: what's in local.yaml ? [10:35] Riddell: default password for mumble superuser http://paste.kde.org/688568/ [10:35] Hiyas on mobile [10:35] hi smartboyhw [10:35] * shadeslayer goes bah again [10:35] the juju order is messed ip [10:35] *up [10:36] the move should come after stopping mumble-server [10:36] smartboyhw: are you going to attend the quality session at 15:00 UTC? [10:36] shadeslayer: is that the same as "I messed up" :P ? [10:36] yes :P [10:37] now that Unity is going Qt, it will be very interesting to compare memoryh footprints :D [10:38] going Qt.. again [10:38] jussi: is there actually an announcement about that on the desktop? [10:38] Riddell: note that the order is messed up a bit, also, t1.micro instances don't quite terminate if you just shut them down [10:38] yofel: NO [10:39] hm, ok [10:39] * smartboyhw is revising for tests. [10:39] I am worrying if I could even attend KC meetinf [10:39] I also seem to have forgotten expose :/ [10:39] Test on Monday.. [10:40] smartboyhw: it should be short if it's just the membership stuff [10:40] http://paste.kde.org/688586/ [10:40] 7/3 Chinese 8/3 Chinese History 11/3 Chemistry 14/3 English 18/3 Physics 20/3 Geography 26/3 Biology [10:40] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityNextSpec [10:40] Damb [10:41] s/damb/damn/ [10:41] smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [10:41] grrr [10:41] sed is case sensitive ;) [10:41] yofel: That is basically my test days [10:41] BAH [10:41] wibble [10:42] Riddell: "Unity Next UI implemented on Qt (note: much has already been included in the Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview)" [10:42] jussi: ah yes [10:43] smartboyhw: does Chinese History include the controvertial stuff? [10:43] Riddell: Unfortunately not *yet* [10:43] Later in April or May I think [10:47] hello world :D [10:47] hi ovidiu-florin [10:48] Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you? [10:48] hey lordievader [10:49] Riddell: do the t1 micro instances cost anything? [10:49] I'm stressed, I want to do so much but I don't think I have the time [10:49] shadeslayer: yes, $0.085/hour [10:50] hm weird [10:50] I thought t1.micro was free [10:50] use ec2 for meetings to be on the safe side. You can use my instance for idle chatter [10:51] hey ovidiu-florin [10:51] shadeslayer: oh maybe I'm wrong Micro On-Demand Instances $0.020 per Hour [10:51] says http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ [10:52] and the small have gone down too, Small (Default)$0.060 per Hour [10:53] nah, I thought we qualified for the free usage tier [10:53] "As part of AWS’s Free Usage Tier, new AWS customers can get started with Amazon EC2 for free." dunno what counts as new but I've had this account for a while [10:54] ah [10:54] it's only free for a year, then I guess we've exhausted it [10:54] there's also bandwidth to pay for [10:56] oh, what's the cost for that? [10:56] dunno [10:56] http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ is your friend [10:57] doesn't say bandwidth price [10:58] hm, 0.10 per GB [10:58] * yofel -> lunch [10:59] this stuff is super cheap [11:01] it adds up [11:09] Riddell how *did* you save 13.04? [11:10] Riddell: btw you pinged about qa.kubuntu.org ? [11:10] shadeslayer: by proposing it be kept (although it's not final final) [11:11] shadeslayer: yes, was wondering if you'd asked for it [11:11] yeah [11:11] smartboyhw: by proposing it be kept (although it's not final final) [11:11] shadeslayer: let me guess, no reply? [11:11] idk, did someone file a RT? [11:11] good [11:11] dhade [11:11] What the.... [11:12] shadeslayer, RT for what? [11:12] ximion: interesting blog post there, but what's wrong with Kubuntu? or are we being tarnished by canonical? [11:12] shadeslayer: oh, by asked I ment file an RT [11:12] smartboyhw: for qa.kubuntu.org domain [11:13] * smartboyhw has just posted an post for ranting about Canonical-community relationship [11:13] guys is 4.10.1 for 12.04 in backports ppa? I ask because I am getting no updates [11:13] Riddell: no - in fact, I even use Kubuntu on my laptop (Debian Testing is not great there), but I wished more independence for people involved in Kubuntu [11:14] context? [11:15] if Canonical wants to make more use of Qt, they will want to control the Qt packaging, which in turn affects KDE. So does every other decison about the system core [11:15] shadeslayer: http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/a-new-debian-based-distribution.html [11:15] ahh that [11:15] Riddell: e.g. for my KDE+systemd experiments, Ubuntu is clearly a bad choice ;-) [11:15] ximion: eek, don't make KDE depend on systemd! [11:16] ^ [11:16] Riddell: http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?p=27 [11:17] Riddell: that is not the plan - we were thinking about some kind of abstraction/fallback, but for now danttis sessionk might already be a great way to go [11:17] (I started with this stuff to get rid of ConsoleKit, and then continued to try to make systemd --user handle a KDE session) [11:18] er [11:18] that doesn't sound good for people using Kubuntu :| [11:18] eh [11:19] unless we switch to systemd as well, which would require insane amounts of work [11:19] btw, about Ubuntu: the latest developments really confused anyone developing a derivative. And I think it was Scott who raised some concerns about derivatives on the ML, which were not adressed by Canonical yet (probably because they haven't thought about it) [11:20] ximion: +1 [11:20] shadeslayer: that is just what I was doing for fun, nothing I want to push to KDE default. for handling a KDE session, sessionk is a pretty cool new thing. [11:21] I have made a backup of the base image of pbuilder which was created with raring as distribution , i am creating a new image with quantal as distribution, my question is whether the aptcache in /var/cache/pbuilder willl be overwritten ? [11:21] but for killing ConsoleKit, systemd+logind is incredibly awesome :) (even Ubuntu switches to it, but they create another compat layer to make it work, this time for systemd ^^) [11:21] ximion: the old session handling is rather old isn't it (: [11:22] Tm_T: yep - it's problem was that it worked so well that nobody thought about replacing it ^^ [11:22] but from looking at the code, you can see a lot of bogus in there [11:23] dantti even found a one-shot 4sec timer, which was the most surprising thing. [11:23] yeah I've seen that [11:27] shadeslayer: how can i find the audio device used by phonon [11:28] system settings > Multimedia > Phonon ? [11:28] better to ask apachelogger? [11:28] shadeslayer: using terminal [11:28] hmm [11:28]