[00:46] i want to try KDE but I'm not sure whether to do a full Kubuntu installation or just install kde according to http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/10/19/how-to-install-kde-desktop-environment-in-ubuntu-12-10/ ... what's the best option ? [00:46] i'm also a bit unsure about it because of kubuntu not being officially supported ... does that have any considerable negative consequences for a basic user like me ? [00:51] alainus, what are you using now ? ubuntu 12.10 with unity ? [00:52] FlowRiser: yes [00:52] i don't like it very much. i used opensuse with kde for a while and i liked that more [00:53] alainus: so, support. Mostly for a user system, its a joke. Speaking about "support" for ubuntu with unity will likely invoke more FUD than any good points [00:54] alainus: in other words, no. It has no considerable negative consequences === pedro_ is now known as pedro__ [00:55] alainus: if you like you can even install kde on the install you have right now. [00:56] alainus, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [00:56] it'll install everything [00:56] you can also run with unity side by side [00:57] if you have the unity-greeter, just choose from the little thingy on the right of your username kde-plasma and then log in as usual [00:57] Subfusc, FlowRiser : i read somewhere in askubuntu about a person having trouble with it's documents and applications getting "messy" after doing that .. (this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/99718/how-to-make-multiple-des-less-messy-specifically-kde-on-ubuntu) [00:57] alainus, i have no problems with the above method [00:58] alainus, ofc, unity always has given me errors [00:58] alainus, but kde works like a charm [00:59] also, take note that your default will still be unity [00:59] and that kde apps have different file path /usr/share/kde4/apps/.. [00:59] so that "messing up" shouldn't happen at all [01:00] I think he is talking about menues and general applications [01:00] but just to be clear on something, there's no real advantage over using ubuntu+installed kde and installing kubuntu, other than just being able to switch DE [01:01] ? [01:01] alainus: nope [01:01] alainus, nope [01:01] ok, thanks for the help =) [01:01] alainus, the kubuntu-desktop metapackage will install everything that kubuntu comes with by default [01:02] you'll just have to get used to the new apps's names [01:02] i think i'll just go with kubuntu in that case [01:02] i.e. terminal is Konsole, gedit -> Kate, and so on [01:03] alainus, any app you'd have on unity will also work with kde :D [01:07] FlowRiser: well, that might change if this mir crap gets traction [01:07] what is MIR ? i keep hearing about it ... [01:08] FlowRiser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec [01:10] oh god. [01:11] yes. [01:12] It's about the worst thing Canonical could do to linux right now [01:12] X is the single most common thing on linux os [01:12] until we switch to wayland :P [01:13] also I think the single most common thing on linux is the linux kernel :P [01:13] besides that :D [01:13] and the gnu tools [01:13] ;) [01:13] besides that bash comes to mind [01:13] and that [01:13] besides that comes top :P [01:13] apachelogger: you have a load of shell replacers [01:13] zsh, clash [01:13] sh [01:13] etc [01:14] or you could just fuck all them and rund emacs [01:14] ;) [01:14] and yet they all speak the same language :P [01:15] but yeah, it seems canonical doesn't want wayland [01:15] which is a hoot, since they have no clue. [01:15] Subfusc, exactly my thought. [01:15] the enlightenment crew, which is basically made for mobile development even supports wayland [01:16] Please keep the language clean [01:16] It's like they don't even want to try to make wayland better [01:16] They just said: "It doesn't meet our requirments." [01:16] FlowRiser: it's not like that, it is that [01:18] like GNOME was created even though there already was KDE? ;) [01:18] TBH, it seems like a powerstatement from canonical and ailenating the rest of the linux community on purpose in order to get ahead [01:18] apachelogger: no [01:19] Canonical seriously wants to ditch anything the community does. [01:19] apachelogger: you could run gnome applications in KDE, but if this goes the worst way, which is also the most likely way, a wayland application might not run on a mir system [01:19] And then, instead of being together ... we'll drift apart as a community. [01:19] apachelogger: also, in the begining, both atleast cooperated with freedesktop. Canonical has never had any such intentions [01:20] freedesktop was not funded until much later [01:20] apachelogger: well, for incarnation 2-3 of gnome and 3-4 of kde [01:20] ;) [01:21] FlowRiser: correct. TBH if it wherent for the primus and bumblebee PPA's I wouldn't run kubuntu. :/ [01:21] also FWIW in recent years there was more productive cooperation between Canonical and KDE than with GNOME [01:22] apachelogger: yes, the GNOME devs are not nice either. Thats why i run KDE [01:22] "Ubuntu" means "I am what I am because of who we all are" [01:22] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu [01:23] We can just reject it [01:23] FlowRiser: please take this to #kubuntu-offtopic === Jikai is now known as Jikan === jacky- is now known as jacky === Babbu is now known as TheBiggestDouche === kubuntu is now known as Guest34626 [04:21] so... how do you feel about this? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzM [04:21] 'Ubuntu's Unity Written In Qt/QML For "Unity Next"'. afaik, canonical has been rejecting to use qt since... day 1 [04:22] and suddenly, they say they'll use qt lol === greg777 is now known as greg_777 [04:28] hi [04:31] hi gosaii [04:33] pepee: the fallback mode was written in Qt [04:33] but then, why not just use kde? ... [04:33] pepee: but its a new take on the announcement i guess [04:33] most (like me) rage about mir, not qt [04:34] pepee: why not use gnome? [04:34] seriously, looks like they have too much money in their hands to spend on whatever... [04:34] they're different desktop managers. Which libraries they utilize is mostly irrelevant [04:35] yeah, but, we really need even more desktop managers? [04:36] I'm not a coder btw... [04:40] kubuntu is going to becomr the new unity :-) [04:43] lol [04:49] whats so funny? [04:53] hello AL. [04:54] anybody to talk about AMD Catalyst driver and the current kubuntu release? - please and thank you. [04:55] am I noticed - or am I doing anything wrong? [04:59] aye163, just ask [05:00] Ok, thank you. [05:02] I have the 13.1 Catalyst driver installed and it works good under gnome. But, I was never able to have it work well under KDE/kubuntu. The symptoms are: slower performance, lower fps and tearing of the desktop. Is there anything I can do to additionally tune up the the driver? [05:02] how do you run tracert on google maps? [05:03] I have not run it yet, how can I find it [05:03] aye163, first thing, are you sure the driver is running? [05:04] aye163, run this in the console: grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' [05:04] yes, it work well by all means - glxgears and fglrx_glxgears, plus the AMD Catalyst is functional. [05:05] OK [05:05] does it matter that I run grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' in gnome? [05:06] n, doesn't [05:06] OK, started the command in terminal and waiting .... [05:07] waiting what? [05:07] ah, sorry, mistyped. [05:08] run: lsmod | grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' [05:08] OK, please give the correct version [05:08] thank you [05:08] just a moment [05:09] lsmod | grep -E 'fglrx|radeon' [05:09] fglrx 5201123 1756 [05:09] amd_iommu_v2 19098 1 fglrx [05:09] well, it's OK [05:09] next time, paste it in pastebin, or here in just one line please [05:09] yes, the driver works well [05:09] OK, sorry [05:09] anyway, I think you have to ask in #ati [05:09] #amd [05:09] ask there too. sadly, there isn't much people in there... [05:10] But does KDE wokr 100% with the AMD Catalyst 13.1 as of anybodies experince? [05:11] from what I've read, no, it doesn't work well for everyone... [05:11] btw, what gpu are you using? [05:11] OK, I will try to ask thie qeustion in AMD, do you mean that I would have to file a qeustions/request via their website? [05:11] #ati , not #amd [05:12] I am on AMD A10 APU with HD7660G [05:12] ok, pepee, ATI [05:12] the IRC channel, #ati [05:12] yep, I see now [05:12] http://www.google.pt/imgres?imgurl=http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/images/a10_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/&h=371&w=620&sz=45&tbnid=gyASh_zcaC8EVM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__lOdmGJDNVCHRo1YQRBdAzzwczmc=&docid=YAijP1w0_iRgJM&sa=X&ei=PNA2UfK_F8TNOMbzgPAD&ved=0CEQQ9QEwBA&dur=933 [05:13] well, just give them all the info you already gave here, aye163 [05:13] can you login to my google mail acount using this link? [05:13] good picture, but very easy target to hit from down the ground. [05:14] Thank you pepee, I will try find the ATI channel somewhere [05:14] and it kills people too [05:14] aye163, type this: [05:14] err i mean terrorists [05:14] /join #ati [05:15] MakiAto, so, terrorists are not people? [05:15] nop [05:15] people are civilians [05:15] what are they then? [05:15] people are humans [05:15] people are civilians [05:16] gosh, do you know what a dictionary is? [05:16] military are human .... [05:16] military are retarded humans, yes [05:16] military are the smartest of all [05:16] they have brains, but they don't use them, and they let other people manipulate them [05:16] Maki, this is an old school aircraft - only good for warecraft in the 3rd countries [05:17] >military >smartest [05:17] it runs AMD [05:17] no man, scientists are smart [05:17] military hardly use the brain at all [05:17] there are military scientists [05:17] they are near to animals in the scale of species [05:18] no, there aren't [05:18] hello, colleagues, please - discuss technology, not war [05:18] scientists are scientists [05:18] there are military scientists [05:18] . [05:18] ok, go tell your daddy, child [05:19] many scientific discoveries come out of wars [05:19] lol [05:19] war is good you just too naif to get it [05:19] hah [05:19] I am a scientist professor, not connected to war at all [05:19] cool story, bro [05:19] its the truth [05:19] now go troll someone else [05:19] nuclear energy [05:19] lol [05:19] microwaves [05:19] radio [05:20] aircrafts [05:20] Maki, you sound like a 18 yo [05:20] etc etc [05:20] nuclear energy comes from einstein, a socialist [05:20] pacifist, and anti war [05:20] you are just ignorant [05:20] LOL [05:20] you are just retarded [05:20] Did I hit the target Maki, or may 19 yo [05:20] poor ignorant kid... [05:21] I guess your brainwashed daddy tells you these stupid stories, right? [05:21] you are both retarded [05:21] well, he's just as ignorant as you, MakiAto [05:21] aye163: is a scientist ROFLOL [05:22] MakiAto, google "einstein nuclear energy" [05:22] it can't be so difficult... [05:22] learn how to use google [05:22] einstein was working for the military [05:22] lol no [05:22] stfu asslol [05:22] what are you, 10? [05:22] go to 4chan [05:23] thats were you come from [05:23] pedofile [05:24] oh, so you are portuguese... [05:24] nop im from ucrain [05:25] I shouldn't have argued with a child... [05:26] anyway, aye163 , did you ask there? === BTCOxygen is now known as Oxygen === Oxygen is now known as BTCOxygen === BTCOxygen is now known as Oxygen === Oxygen is now known as BTCOxygen [06:53] I'm annoyed to ask this, but which Display Server Protocol is Kubuntu going to use as main protocol in the future? [06:58] let's hope wayland... === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe === pjoe is now known as pjoe_dj [07:42] Good morning o/ === william is now known as Guest8265 === jacky- is now known as jacky === giovanni is now known as Guest98310 === Guest98310 is now known as Highway_ === FabianB is now known as Guest19776 === Guest19776 is now known as FabianBu [09:49] pepee: yeah [10:05] ok I have read the kwin dude take on Mir here - http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/03/war-is-peace/ - what will happen with kubuntu then ? [10:06] i.e if Ubuntu abandon xorg - will kubutu (and other ubuntu based desktops that use xorg) have to add a seperate ppa with xorg ? [10:06] or is it time to re-base on debian/another distro ? [10:09] Too many unknowns. We wait and see. [10:10] yossarianuk: we are working on that currently, no reason to skip [10:12] and it will not be deployed that fast, certainyl not on the upcoming release [10:12] and not that fast on the desktop anyway, first target is Ubuntu Touch, whcih you don't use anyway as a Kubuntu user [10:12] thanks perhaps it would be a good thing to have a more qt based system (i.e less gtk apps - nice themes for gtk+qt) - i.e a system that was more packaged for KDE (rather than bolting kde onto the existing ubuntu base)... [10:13] yossarianuk: erm, Unitiy and Mir will use Qt5 in the future anyway [10:14] so if they don't screw up big time there is no reason KDE would not work [10:14] yes I know - but what I meant was that some package in the ubuntu repo have issues (usualy styling issues) with some packages in kubunu - perhaps having a more seperate base 'could' be a good thing... [10:15] I really don;t get why anyone would use unity after using KDE.. [10:15] :) [10:15] anyways, this discussion is better suited for #kubuntu-offtopic as it is not a support issue [10:15] ok np. === murthy_ is now known as murthy [10:19] and as mgraesslin puts it "Also one should consider that Canonical changes plans for their distribution every other day." so Wait and See is the only option now [10:21] cool -- was just a general question about the future plans. We have an office where everybody is using kubuntu (so was interested...) - as long as my 3d card works at full speed (for home use) I will be happy (3d game speed is one reason I use KDE - unity/gnome3 do not play games at fullspeed..) [10:21] cheers [10:22] and just because the ship Mir as default doesn't mean the will stop shipping X, it will just not be default anymore, so there really is noting to worry so far [10:22] the* ship [10:22] they* [10:23] and the first deployment of Mir is unlikely to happen before 2014 anyway, so far it is just a demo [10:24] (one of the most underwhelming demos ever..) good to hear. Personally I like Xorg ..... Its worked for me for over a decade. KDE 4.10 seems snappier than windows7 anyway. [10:24] i'll shut up now. [10:24] yossarianuk: over a decade I don't think so, there was X11 before XOrg [10:47] hello world :D [11:26] hi, since i updated to 4.10.00 the keyboard shortcut for lock screen doesn't work anymore. can't find it in the settings anymore. where did it go, where can i find it? [11:32] d12fk: needs manual config switching, see kde bug 311050 [11:32] KDE bug 311050 in locker-qml "[Regression] ctrl-alt-l isn't locking the screen" [Normal,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311050 [11:34] yofel: thanks, how do i enable it again manually? i used the "Puase" key to lock previously [11:37] d12fk: see comment #11 [11:40] yofel: ok thanks again it's working now [11:43] i have 1 bug (not to serious) - when I unlock my screen in kubuntu 4.10 there is a slow large black line that goes across the screen (unlocking takes longer than it should also.) - I have a nvidia card . === marxjohn1on is now known as marxjohnson === jack is now known as Guest3725 [12:58] how can i restart krunner ? [13:05] I am having few issues with rekonq web browser in my Kubuntu 10.04, Gmail is not getting loaded and at times rekonq doesnt load any page [13:06] I uese rekonq 0.4.0 [13:08] kevin_takeshi: You'd do well to upgrade, rekonq 0.4.0 is rather ancient. as is all of 10.04 [13:09] Is it possible to update rekonq package alone? [13:09] I am fine with Kubuntu 10.04 [13:34] kevin_takeshi: if you can upgrade kde on ubuntu 10.04 you would increase the version... [13:34] Also 10.04 - desktop support ends in April this year [13:34] your missing out on so much - I personally wouldn;t run anything other than the latest - 4.10 [13:50] Hiyas all === udp is now known as Guest51805 === dim|2 is now known as pons [14:29] hi there, how to upgrade to raring from quantal? [14:30] simple s/quantal/raring for sources.list is ok? [14:31] do-release-upgrade -c -d? [14:31] there is kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade in ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt, which does essentially what you just said [14:31] so either way is fine [14:31] thanks === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [14:54] hello [15:02] Hello, I'm currently playing a game (minecraft) and I want to use keys like 1,4,5 and so on to quickly go trough my hotbar. That won't work tho, I need to press SHIFT + the numbers in order for it to work [15:02] Is there a way I can change that? === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === pjoe_dj is now known as pjoe [15:07] ...$ [15:07] well i am on kubuntu on virtual box but i am not not getting option of wireless connection [15:07] plz help [15:14] very usefull helpchat [15:17] gdg: you cannot use a different wifi in virtualbox than you are using on the host system [15:18] i am compiling the kernel, and i have dual core cpu and hyperthreading. should i select 300hz or 1000hz in timer freq? (i read in kernel-seeds that more than 2 cores should be 300hz) [15:33] how can I find my local ip === pjoe is now known as pjoe_afk === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] === divya is now known as Guest35145 === FabianB is now known as Guest42134 === thezulk_ is now known as thezulk [17:24] install java mode security? === murthy is now known as murthy_ [17:35] Hi [17:36] I upgraded kubuntu ot its last version just now, and the updates are up to date [17:36] QtCreator package does no longer use the desktop style, is it normal ? [18:01] hi all [18:01] Hey denis [18:01] I've a virus (?) problem on kubuntu... [18:02] denis: What makes you think it is a virus problem? [18:02] since a couple of days when I go on facebook or on my yahoo page I see a lot of porno spamming messages [18:02] virus, malware... I don't know but there something... [18:02] I tryed to delete completely cache, navigation hystory, cookies [18:03] closed and opened chromium [18:03] and all was ok [18:03] but in a couple of minutes (spent just on facebook) [18:03] those banner did come up again... [18:03] denis: Does this also happen with firefox? [18:04] mh [18:04] i don't know [18:04] but I can try [18:05] denis: Also check out if there is something funky in /etc/hosts [18:05] no, just localohost [18:05] and [18:06] # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts [18:06] ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback [18:06] fe00::0 ip6-localnet [18:06] ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix [18:06] ff02::1 ip6-allnodes [18:06] denis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [18:06] sorry :( [18:06] denis: No problem, see !paste [18:06] !paste | denis [18:06] denis: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5591069/ [18:07] like this? [18:08] denis: what browser and does it happen with another browser as well? [18:09] apachelogger: We were getting to that ;). [18:09] denis: Have you tried it already in FF? [18:09] <- just curious [18:09] just a sec [18:09] apachelogger: Interesting case, eh. [18:10] hi all, I'm Denis... [18:11] the problem is only in my wife account [18:11] so I switched [18:11] :) [18:12] bruna_crt: As in her user account, or does she use a different browser? [18:12] in chromium there is the problem [18:12] i'm trying ff [18:13] ff seems ok... [18:14] bruna_crt: If I get it right chrome does it only on your wifes user account? [18:14] right [18:15] bruna_crt: Does it have some plugins that other accounts do not have? (Not sure where chromium stores its plugins) [18:16] chrome://plugins/ and chrome://extensions/ [18:16] Does chrome store the extensions somewhere in the user dir? === franck is now known as Guest14616 [18:17] hey! I disabled flash player plugin and all seems ok now also in chromium!! [18:18] that's probably because the content was in flash [18:18] doesnt' really solve the problem I guess [18:18] i.e. it's still there, it just not displayed without the plugin [18:18] so strange... [18:18] bruna_crt: what extensions do you have installed? [18:19] bruna_crt: You could try renameing the ~/.config/chromium folder. [18:19] Adobe Flash Player - Version: 11.2 r202 (Disabled) [18:19] Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 [18:21] bruna_crt: extensions, not plugins [18:21] just Save now 3.4 [18:22] bruna_crt: try disabling that and reactivate flash [18:23] It probably is that save now, it doesn't show up in a quick google search "chromium savenow extension" first link has adware in the title... [18:23] flash has special persistant cookies, I forget what they are called. [18:23] sharedobjects [18:23] that's what I'd look into next [18:24] there is a flash cookie blocker for ff. [18:24] ok, flash working and savenow disabled, no banners! :) [18:24] bruna_crt: Remove the savenow extension <-- probably adware. [18:25] http://www.bitdefender.com/VIRUS-1000131-en--Adware-SaveNow-AX.html [18:25] Save now isn't even in the chrome web store... [18:26] it was him! [18:27] Brb, got to do some dishes. [18:28] thanks a lot lord [18:28] :) [18:30] * apachelogger wonders why we don't have supporter-of-the-year awards [18:33] bye all [18:38] Any kubuntu devs here who know if you're going to use mir or wayland? I'm guessing wayland but not sure. [18:39] Kris_CGo: You could ask around in #kubuntu-devel [18:40] apachelogger: Are there other -of-the-year awards? dev-of-the-year? [18:42] <[Raiden]> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316234 - check it out if you can [18:42] KDE bug 316234 in general "Kate changes owner of editing file" [Normal,Confirmed] [18:45] [Raiden]: I can confirm the title, but not the description. [18:46] <[Raiden]> ок. [18:46] [Raiden]: I can save it, and yes it changes the user. Not sure if I should confirm this bug... [18:48] [Raiden]: I'm on 13.04 with kde 4.10.1 btw. [18:49] <[Raiden]> me too [18:50] <[Raiden]> And I'm not sure that the owner has to change. [18:51] [Raiden]: Vim doesn't change the owner. Perhaps kate has a different policy though. [18:53] <[Raiden]> i think this not good. One can fail to notice that the owner has changed [18:53] sounds like a bug really [18:53] changing ought not have an impact on ownership [18:54] I'd say so to. [18:54] so I guess Kate simply doesn't handle the case where it was able to read the file because of group ownership rather than account ownership === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe [19:08] <[Raiden]> bye === federico is now known as Guest79432 [19:50] Moderiat issue; my SD card slot has stopped detecting my cards altogether, I have a way around it through the use of a USB adapter but I want the slot available because it's much more convenient. [19:50] *Moderate; === owner_ is now known as Guest7519 === pjoe is now known as pjoe_afk [20:44] anybody around? i want to put kubuntu on my laptop, but i was just wondering, if i install the 13.04 alpha now, will it be upgradeable to the stable release when it comes out in april? [20:46] faruk: Yes, however 13.04 is not recommended for production machines. [20:47] perfect, thanks lordievader! it's for my laptop, even if it's a bit unstable i can deal with it for a few weeks if it will be easy to upgrade [20:48] i just don't wanna be putting 12.04 on it and then having to do a major upgrade in a few weeks [20:50] faruk: 13.04 is quite stable. Have it running on my 'home' laptop with KDE SC 4.10.1 :) === anmolahuja is now known as anmol === DsrthCodus is now known as DarthCodus_ [21:53] #illes_balears [22:05] Anyone know how I can change a KDE setting from the command line. In particular I'm interested in changing the behaviour of closing the lid on a laptop. [22:12] have a look in ~/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc [22:14] I have mine set to lock screen on lid close, in that file I see "lidAction=32" [22:33] hi all === Jikan is now known as Jikai === Jikai is now known as Jikan [22:36] off topic but I just went through 4 AT&T tecks trying to sell me a service which included McKaffee antivirus.They all said it could be done on Linux. Last I knew no beans. Has McKoffee got a version for :Linux. [22:37] hello world :D [22:38] rats__: mcwhat? [22:38] I got this error while trying to mount an HDD http://paste.kde.org/689120/ what do you recommend? [22:39] ovidiu-florin: boot into windows [22:39] the HDD has a NTFS partition on it, but it has only been mounted via an USB rack on kubuntu [22:39] never used on windows [22:39] at some point it did not get unmounted properly [22:39] so now it is marked dirty [22:39] I unmounted it just before I rebooted the computer 5 minutes ago [22:40] to fix that you need to mount it windows and run a check on it from there [22:40] apachelogger: how could I fix this from kubuntu? [22:40] in that case the hardware may be giving in [22:40] apachelogger: Overview [22:40] McAfee Content Security Suite [22:40] ovidiu-florin: I am reasonable certain you cannot [22:40] rats__: there's no such thing on linux [22:40] oh, crap..... [22:40] great... [22:40] I don't have windows [22:40] I know but there top level tecks didn't [22:40] McAfee Cloud Identity Manager for Linux :-D [22:41] rats__: it may be that at&t has some opt-in provider-side protection to offer though [22:41] i.e. there are enterprise solutions from mcafee [22:41] whoever those are targetted at servers, not much use on a homesystem that runs linux ^^ [22:42] also, does the kernel 3.2 not support SATA hot swap? [22:42]