| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | Refocus the Ubuntu App Developer site to go mobile | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21617/appdev-1303-developer-site-gomobile/ | ||
| * popey sets up the first hangout | 13:56 | |
| bzoltan | hello all | 13:56 |
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| popey | hey bzoltan | 13:57 |
| bzoltan | popey: Daniel Holbach I guess | 13:57 |
| dholbach | dpm, so I'll lead the session and take care of everything? | 13:59 |
| dholbach | dpm, I wasn't sure if mhall or you would be around | 13:59 |
| vibhav | hmm, "Planning the Ubuntu SDK Week" points here | 14:00 |
| vibhav | am I missing something? | 14:00 |
| dholbach | and we're going live | 14:00 |
| dholbach | just a second | 14:00 |
| dpm | dholbach, I thought you were, I'm leading the other session | 14:01 |
| dholbach | dpm, no worries | 14:01 |
| dholbach | so who's active in the appdev world and wants to contribute to this session in the hangout itself? | 14:01 |
| dpm | bzoltan, could you help dholbach? ^ | 14:02 |
| vibhav | and here we go! | 14:02 |
| bzoltan | dholbach: I am interested and involved, but I do not know much else about this session | 14:03 |
| dholbach | bzoltan, sure I'll invite you | 14:03 |
| bzoltan | dholbach: cool, thanks | 14:04 |
| vibhav | The SDK, IMO wsa a huge success | 14:06 |
| dholbach | anyone else wants to join in? | 14:06 |
| vibhav | was* | 14:07 |
| dholbach | and come on the hangout? | 14:07 |
| * vibhav is below 18 | 14:07 | |
| popey | dholbach: I started the hangout for this room.. have you changed it | 14:07 |
| vibhav | :( | 14:07 |
| zyga-uds | QUESTION: is qt5/qml for desktop applications in scope for this session/ | 14:07 |
| dholbach | popey, really? I changed it - I asked around who did :-((( | 14:07 |
| popey | no, I'm asking | 14:07 |
| dholbach | popey, want me to invite you? | 14:07 |
| popey | I am track lead, I'm supposed to start the hangout | 14:08 |
| popey | which I did | 14:08 |
| dholbach | sorry | 14:08 |
| popey | twice now because dpm did too | 14:08 |
| * popey gives up | 14:08 | |
| Wellark | QUESTION: can you update the feed link. the one in the meeting page says "live event will begin in few moments" | 14:09 |
| t1mp | Wellark: huh? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21629/appdev-1303-sdk-week-planning/ works fine for me | 14:09 |
| Wellark | t1mp: well, does not work for me :/ | 14:10 |
| t1mp | Wellark: on youtube maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K6at1GhEi8&feature=player_embedded#! | 14:11 |
| t1mp | yes, very ambitious ;) | 14:11 |
| Wellark | t1mp: that works. the event page links to http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IJd3wgWjP5Y | 14:11 |
| vibhav | haha | 14:12 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | Planning the Ubuntu SDK Week | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21629/appdev-1303-sdk-week-planning/ | ||
| t1mp | yes we want more applications. It is really cool to see apps that make use of our sdk :) And without applications, having an SDK is pointless | 14:14 |
| zyga-uds | can we develop desktop apps with ubuntu widgets | 14:17 |
| zyga-uds | ah | 14:17 |
| zyga-uds | how soon, we need to rewrite a gui soon | 14:17 |
| zyga-uds | it's a purely desktop app | 14:18 |
| zyga-uds | can we write qt5 + python apps? | 14:18 |
| * zyga-uds asks too many questions | 14:18 | |
| zyga-uds | ok, I have to check this | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | the next gwibber release for raring will be qt5 with ubuntu sdk... and that's for the desktop :) | 14:19 |
| Mirv | the last time I checked, PySide/PyQt didn't yet support Qt 5, but I may be wrong | 14:19 |
| zyga-uds | our current app is qt4 + cpp but it really talks to python for everything in the backend | 14:19 |
| Mirv | zyga-uds: actually correction, PyQt supports Qt 5 | 14:20 |
| zyga-uds | I think we are sold on the concept, just trying to figure out how to approach that and if we should participate next week | 14:20 |
| zyga-uds | thanks | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | dholbach! | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 14:20 |
| zyga-uds | Mirv: thanks, that's very importnat | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | sure | 14:20 |
| zyga-uds | important | 14:20 |
| dholbach | is anyone of you interested in giving a session next week? | 14:21 |
| zyga-uds | how long is the event planned to be? | 14:23 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/Prep | 14:23 |
| zyga-uds | thanks | 14:23 |
| netcurli | dholbach: yeah, I can do something, like I wrote in my email, however, since I am a qml newbie, I don't know how good my qml style is | 14:24 |
| zyga-uds | I would love to see a desktop / python3 session but I'm not ready to lead that as my qt5 knowledge is minimal | 14:24 |
| netcurli | :) | 14:26 |
| ara | join #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-1 | 14:27 |
| Mirv | yep, obviously I can be helping with installing and configuring of the SDK | 14:28 |
| schwarzburg | I would love to hear something about structuring qml apps to ensure maintainability (e.g. reusable components, unit tests, inline js vs js in separate fiels,...) | 14:30 |
| zyga-uds | dholbach: I'm installing the SDK now, if I can get a qt5/python3 hello world up I can present that next week | 14:30 |
| rferrazz | ubuntu-calculator-app has a unit-tests subfolder that you can browse to see how we are doing our calculation engine tests | 14:31 |
| dholbach | zyga-uds, you're a hero | 14:32 |
| zyga-uds | Mirv: python3-pyqt4 exists, there's nothing for python3-pyqt5 | 14:34 |
| bhenderson256 | You mentioned that there aren't many QML experts out there... What resources would you recommend for "mastering" QML? | 14:34 |
| Mirv | zyga-uds: yeah I was just going to say my only information comes from http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-December/032216.html - it does state that PyQt4 (snapshot) would support Qt 5 | 14:34 |
| zyga-uds | ah, so pyqt is not supported yet | 14:35 |
| Mirv | zyga-uds: but it may well be that even though the latest PyQt release in raring is from January, it's not new enough | 14:35 |
| zyga-uds | QUESTION: can we see if we can update the pyqt5 package (debian does not have that so we cannot sync it) | 14:36 |
| zyga-uds | or alternatively | 14:36 |
| rferrazz | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/view/head:/unit-tests/tst_basic.qml | 14:36 |
| zyga-uds | QUESTION: how would one integrate a qt5/qml gui with python3 application core? | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | i was disappointed by how much c++ i had to do... but that will change as we get more bindings | 14:37 |
| zyga-uds | thanks for clearing that | 14:37 |
| t1mp | did the video stream just die or is it just me? | 14:38 |
| Mirv | t1mp: just you | 14:39 |
| Mirv | t1mp: or, you may mean the app developer site mobile session which seems dead | 14:40 |
| Mirv | or ended, says it's encoding | 14:40 |
| bhenderson256 | Good points... I think that the QML learning curve is something that needs to be considered/addressed... Not sure if this session is the right place, but think that we need to "sell" QML before we can sell the SDK. Thoughts? | 14:41 |
| Mirv | I think that maybe selling the SDK as a whole, the developer response globally for QML is simply quite great AFAIK | 14:42 |
| Mirv | although, it's still good to sell QML as part of it for those are coming from the other backgrounds - since QML is new(ish) to Ubuntu after all | 14:42 |
| Mirv | just some random thoughts :D | 14:43 |
| bhenderson256 | Yeah... Agree... Just thinking if we could ease the learning curve for QML, we would be able to sign up more developers! :) | 14:44 |
| Mirv | bzoltan: QUESTION: was the #ubuntu-touch the channel also for toolkit? | 14:44 |
| Mirv | (what was the collaboration channel with other Qt/QML toolkit makers..) | 14:44 |
| dholbach | #ubuntu-app-devel maybe? I don't know :) | 14:45 |
| vibhav | dholbach: I can join you guys now (If it aint too late) | 14:45 |
| dholbach | vibhav, we're just about to wrap up | 14:45 |
| vibhav | ah fine | 14:46 |
| vibhav | Never mind | 14:46 |
| bhenderson256 | Thank you guys! | 14:46 |
| zyga-uds | thanks! | 14:46 |
| netcurli | thanks | 14:46 |
| Mirv | thank you! | 14:47 |
| dholbach | thanks everyone! :) | 14:48 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | Ubuntu SDK UI Toolkit | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21631/appdev-1303-ubuntu-sdk-toolkit/ | ||
| === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle | ||
| pmcgowan | Blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-ubuntu-sdk-toolkit | 14:58 |
| pmcgowan | is that the right one? | 14:58 |
| popey | yes pmcgowan | 15:01 |
| popey | kaleo MIA | 15:02 |
| mpt | I am following the IRC | 15:04 |
| Mirv | are there anyone else who want to join the hangout? | 15:04 |
| TheMuso | Here. | 15:04 |
| mpt | QUESTION: When will we have radio controls? | 15:04 |
| mpt | QUESTION: When will we have a datepicker? | 15:04 |
| Wellark | Mirv: I could join to discuss the HUD | 15:04 |
| Mirv | Wellark: ok | 15:05 |
| bzoltan | mpt: I will answer your questions when gerry finishes with the layouts | 15:06 |
| mpt | No, I don't mean radio buttons. I mean a mobile equivalent to radio buttons. | 15:08 |
| mpt | For example, something to choose between "POP" vs. "IMAP" when setting up a mail account. | 15:08 |
| mpt | For example, the iOS equivalent is a grouped table. | 15:08 |
| mpt | It is not just a "desktop thing". | 15:09 |
| mpt | Who is designing the components? | 15:09 |
| mpt | I'm designing System Settings for mobile. That's why I'm asking. :-) | 15:10 |
| mpt | okay, cool | 15:11 |
| mpt | QUESTION: What's the best way to provide feedback on the API? For example, it looks (though I'm not sure) as if there's no way to label the ends of a slider. Would that be a bug report, or something raised in a meeting, or what? | 15:13 |
| bzoltan | mpt: This is the project https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit and we folow the bugs there | 15:14 |
| mpt | thanks | 15:14 |
| * mpt subscribes | 15:15 | |
| ckpringle | mpt: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone | 15:15 |
| t1mp | tutorial link: step 2 on https://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ | 15:16 |
| zebaszp | QUESTION: is there support for changing the UI on rotation (different between landscape and portrait)? For example, the iOS calculator turns into a scientific calculator in landscape | 15:18 |
| boiko | the header will have the same behavior as it has in the tabs? (scroll together with a flickable) | 15:19 |
| zebaszp | ok :) | 15:21 |
| t1mp | boiko: yes, exactly the same. And the Tabs will be updated to use the "common" Header component (but you won't notice the difference) | 15:22 |
| boiko | t1mp: nice! I need that in some views of the phone-app | 15:22 |
| boiko | t1mp: thanks | 15:23 |
| zebaszp | the HUD is definitely the coolest | 15:27 |
| nerochiaro | bzoltan: one thing i don't understand about the hud is why was it designed to have access to all the apps menus and not just the currently running app | 15:27 |
| t1mp | sorry, brb. | 15:29 |
| t1mp | back | 15:31 |
| nerochiaro | ok, i just found the top list of app icons confusing. thanks for explaining | 15:31 |
| zebaszp | ...or you could have them migrate to raring/rolling? | 15:33 |
| zebaszp | :P | 15:33 |
| TheMuso | accessibility roles are also needded. | 15:40 |
| TheMuso | As well as possible stuff for keyboard nav in the desktop case. | 15:40 |
| greyback | TheMuso: agreed | 15:41 |
| TheMuso | I'm happy to work with you guys to get that sorted, since I can do testing. | 15:41 |
| TheMuso | Wasn't a questino. | 15:41 |
| TheMuso | It was a statement. | 15:41 |
| greyback | TheMuso: cool! Do you know if autopilot can integrate with orca at all? | 15:42 |
| TheMuso | greyback: No, but LDTP will likely be able to do so. | 15:42 |
| TheMuso | LDTP uses the accessibility framework to do testing. | 15:42 |
| TheMuso | Note that there are still some bugs in the Qt a11y code itself. | 15:42 |
| TheMuso | I'll be working with upstream to try and get these addressed. | 15:42 |
| greyback | TheMuso: that's true. I'm not sure if we want to use /another/ testing framework however :) | 15:42 |
| greyback | TheMuso: in qt5 still? Oh dear :( | 15:43 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 15:43 |
| TheMuso | There is only one person working on the code upstream after all. | 15:43 |
| zebaszp | cheers! | 15:43 |
| greyback | TheMuso: fregl? | 15:43 |
| TheMuso | greyback: Is there another channel for the SDk where we can talk about this further? | 15:43 |
| TheMuso | greyback: Yes. | 15:43 |
| greyback | #ubuntu-touch is all we have so far | 15:44 |
| TheMuso | Ok. | 15:44 |
| greyback | TheMuso: ^^ let's move there | 15:44 |
| TheMuso | Sure. | 15:44 |
| zebaszp | a wild popey appears :P | 15:44 |
| popey | :D | 15:44 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/appdev-2/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-2.log | ||
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Track: App Development | The telephony application | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21620/appdev-1303-apps-telephony/ | ||
| === netcurli_ is now known as netcurli | ||
| psivaa | What about call and possibly data divert options? | 18:45 |
| psivaa | bfiller_: ^ | 18:47 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/appdev-2/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-2.log | ||
| popey | bfiller_: happy to let the session run on for a bit if you need it | 19:01 |
| popey | nothing else in this room, but you guys may have other things to do | 19:01 |
| popey | ..or sick of the sight of eachother.. | 19:01 |
| bfiller_ | @popey we'll wrap it up | 19:01 |
| popey | k | 19:01 |
| boiko | popey: the subject needs more than a few minutes to be finished, we better end the session | 19:02 |
| === salem_ is now known as _salem | ||
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