[13:56]  * popey sets up the first hangout
[13:56] <bzoltan> hello all
[13:57] <popey> hey bzoltan
[13:57] <bzoltan> popey: Daniel Holbach I guess
[13:59] <dholbach> dpm, so I'll lead the session and take care of everything?
[13:59] <dholbach> dpm, I wasn't sure if mhall or you would be around
[14:00] <vibhav> hmm, "Planning the Ubuntu SDK Week" points here
[14:00] <vibhav> am I missing something?
[14:00] <dholbach> and we're going live
[14:00] <dholbach> just a second
[14:01] <dpm> dholbach, I thought you were, I'm leading the other session
[14:01] <dholbach> dpm, no worries
[14:01] <dholbach> so who's active in the appdev world and wants to contribute to this session in the hangout itself?
[14:02] <dpm> bzoltan, could you help dholbach? ^
[14:02] <vibhav> and here we go!
[14:03] <bzoltan> dholbach: I am interested and involved, but I do not know much else about this session
[14:03] <dholbach> bzoltan, sure I'll invite you
[14:04] <bzoltan> dholbach: cool, thanks
[14:06] <vibhav> The SDK, IMO wsa a huge success
[14:06] <dholbach> anyone else wants to join in?
[14:07] <vibhav> was*
[14:07] <dholbach> and come on the hangout?
[14:07]  * vibhav is below 18
[14:07] <popey> dholbach: I started the hangout for this room.. have you changed it
[14:07] <vibhav> :(
[14:07] <zyga-uds> QUESTION: is qt5/qml for desktop applications in scope for this session/
[14:07] <dholbach> popey, really? I changed it - I asked around who did :-(((
[14:07] <popey> no, I'm asking
[14:07] <dholbach> popey, want me to invite you?
[14:08] <popey> I am track lead, I'm supposed to start the hangout
[14:08] <popey> which I did
[14:08] <dholbach> sorry
[14:08] <popey> twice now because dpm did too
[14:08]  * popey gives up
[14:09] <Wellark> QUESTION: can you update the feed link. the one in the meeting page says "live event will begin in few moments"
[14:09] <t1mp> Wellark: huh? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21629/appdev-1303-sdk-week-planning/ works fine for me
[14:10] <Wellark> t1mp: well, does not work for me :/
[14:11] <t1mp> Wellark: on youtube maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K6at1GhEi8&feature=player_embedded#!
[14:11] <t1mp> yes, very ambitious ;)
[14:11] <Wellark> t1mp: that works. the event page links to http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IJd3wgWjP5Y
[14:12] <vibhav> haha
[14:14] <t1mp> yes we want more applications. It is really cool to see apps that make use of our sdk :) And without applications, having an SDK is pointless
[14:17] <zyga-uds> can we develop desktop apps with ubuntu widgets
[14:17] <zyga-uds> ah
[14:17] <zyga-uds> how soon, we need to rewrite a gui soon
[14:18] <zyga-uds> it's a purely desktop app
[14:18] <zyga-uds> can we write qt5 + python apps?
[14:18]  * zyga-uds asks too many questions
[14:18] <zyga-uds> ok, I have to check this
[14:19] <kenvandine> the next gwibber release for raring will be qt5 with ubuntu sdk... and that's for the desktop :)
[14:19] <Mirv> the last time I checked, PySide/PyQt didn't yet support Qt 5, but I may be wrong
[14:19] <zyga-uds> our current app is qt4 + cpp but it really talks to python for everything in the backend
[14:20] <Mirv> zyga-uds: actually correction, PyQt supports Qt 5
[14:20] <zyga-uds> I think we are sold on the concept, just trying to figure out how to approach that and if we should participate next week
[14:20] <zyga-uds> thanks
[14:20] <kenvandine> dholbach!
[14:20] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:20] <zyga-uds> Mirv: thanks, that's very importnat
[14:20] <kenvandine> sure
[14:20] <zyga-uds> important
[14:21] <dholbach> is anyone of you interested in giving a session next week?
[14:23] <zyga-uds> how long is the event planned to be?
[14:23] <dholbach>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/Prep
[14:23] <zyga-uds> thanks
[14:24] <netcurli> dholbach: yeah, I can do something, like I wrote in my email, however, since I am a qml newbie, I don't know how good my qml style is
[14:24] <zyga-uds> I would love to see a desktop / python3 session but I'm not ready to lead that as my qt5 knowledge is minimal
[14:26] <netcurli> :)
[14:27] <ara> join #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-1
[14:28] <Mirv> yep, obviously I can be helping with installing and configuring of the SDK
[14:30] <schwarzburg> I would love to hear something about structuring qml apps to ensure maintainability (e.g. reusable components, unit tests, inline js vs js in separate fiels,...)
[14:30] <zyga-uds> dholbach: I'm installing the SDK now, if I can get a qt5/python3 hello world up I can present that next week
[14:31] <rferrazz> ubuntu-calculator-app has a unit-tests subfolder that you can browse to see how we are doing our calculation engine tests
[14:32] <dholbach> zyga-uds, you're a hero
[14:34] <zyga-uds> Mirv: python3-pyqt4 exists, there's nothing for python3-pyqt5
[14:34] <bhenderson256> You mentioned that there aren't many QML experts out there...  What resources would you recommend for "mastering" QML?
[14:34] <Mirv> zyga-uds: yeah I was just going to say my only information comes from http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-December/032216.html - it does state that PyQt4 (snapshot) would support Qt 5
[14:35] <zyga-uds> ah, so pyqt is not supported yet
[14:35] <Mirv> zyga-uds: but it may well be that even though the latest PyQt release in raring is from January, it's not new enough
[14:36] <zyga-uds> QUESTION: can we see if we can update the pyqt5 package (debian does not have that so we cannot sync it)
[14:36] <zyga-uds> or alternatively
[14:36] <rferrazz> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/view/head:/unit-tests/tst_basic.qml
[14:36] <zyga-uds> QUESTION: how would one integrate a qt5/qml gui with python3 application core?
[14:37] <kenvandine> i was disappointed by how much c++ i had to do... but that will change as we get more bindings
[14:37] <zyga-uds> thanks for clearing that
[14:38] <t1mp> did the video stream just die or is it just me?
[14:39] <Mirv> t1mp: just you
[14:40] <Mirv> t1mp: or, you may mean the app developer site mobile session which seems dead
[14:40] <Mirv> or ended, says it's encoding
[14:41] <bhenderson256> Good points... I think that the QML learning curve is something that needs to be considered/addressed... Not sure if this session is the right place, but think that we need to "sell" QML before we can sell the SDK.  Thoughts?
[14:42] <Mirv> I think that maybe selling the SDK as a whole, the developer response globally for QML is simply quite great AFAIK
[14:42] <Mirv> although, it's still good to sell QML as part of it for those are coming from the other backgrounds - since QML is new(ish) to Ubuntu after all
[14:43] <Mirv> just some random thoughts :D
[14:44] <bhenderson256> Yeah...  Agree... Just thinking if we could ease the learning curve for QML, we would be able to sign up more developers! :)
[14:44] <Mirv> bzoltan: QUESTION: was the #ubuntu-touch the channel also for toolkit?
[14:44] <Mirv> (what was the collaboration channel with other Qt/QML toolkit makers..)
[14:45] <dholbach> #ubuntu-app-devel maybe? I don't know :)
[14:45] <vibhav> dholbach: I can join you guys now (If it aint too late)
[14:45] <dholbach> vibhav, we're just about to wrap up
[14:46] <vibhav> ah fine
[14:46] <vibhav> Never mind
[14:46] <bhenderson256> Thank you guys!
[14:46] <zyga-uds> thanks!
[14:46] <netcurli> thanks
[14:47] <Mirv> thank you!
[14:48] <dholbach> thanks everyone! :)
[14:58] <pmcgowan> Blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-ubuntu-sdk-toolkit
[14:58] <pmcgowan> is that the right one?
[15:01] <popey> yes pmcgowan
[15:02] <popey> kaleo MIA
[15:04] <mpt> I am following the IRC
[15:04] <Mirv> are there anyone else who want to join the hangout?
[15:04] <TheMuso> Here.
[15:04] <mpt> QUESTION: When will we have radio controls?
[15:04] <mpt> QUESTION: When will we have a datepicker?
[15:04] <Wellark> Mirv: I could join to discuss the HUD
[15:05] <Mirv> Wellark: ok
[15:06] <bzoltan> mpt: I will answer your questions when gerry finishes with the layouts
[15:08] <mpt> No, I don't mean radio buttons. I mean a mobile equivalent to radio buttons.
[15:08] <mpt> For example, something to choose between "POP" vs. "IMAP" when setting up a mail account.
[15:08] <mpt> For example, the iOS equivalent is a grouped table.
[15:09] <mpt> It is not just a "desktop thing".
[15:09] <mpt> Who is designing the components?
[15:10] <mpt> I'm designing System Settings for mobile. That's why I'm asking. :-)
[15:11] <mpt> okay, cool
[15:13] <mpt> QUESTION: What's the best way to provide feedback on the API? For example, it looks (though I'm not sure) as if there's no way to label the ends of a slider. Would that be a bug report, or something raised in a meeting, or what?
[15:14] <bzoltan>  mpt: This is the project https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit and we folow the bugs there
[15:14] <mpt> thanks
[15:15]  * mpt subscribes
[15:15] <ckpringle> mpt: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[15:16] <t1mp> tutorial link: step 2 on https://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[15:18] <zebaszp> QUESTION: is there support for changing the UI on rotation (different between landscape and portrait)? For example, the iOS calculator turns into a scientific calculator in landscape
[15:19] <boiko> the header will have the same behavior as it has in the tabs? (scroll together with a flickable)
[15:21] <zebaszp> ok :)
[15:22] <t1mp> boiko: yes, exactly the same. And the Tabs will be updated to use the "common" Header component (but you won't notice the difference)
[15:22] <boiko> t1mp: nice! I need that in some views of the phone-app
[15:23] <boiko> t1mp: thanks
[15:27] <zebaszp> the HUD is definitely the coolest
[15:27] <nerochiaro> bzoltan: one thing i don't understand about the hud is why was it designed to have access to all the apps menus and not just the currently running app
[15:29] <t1mp> sorry, brb.
[15:31] <t1mp> back
[15:31] <nerochiaro> ok, i just found the top list of app icons confusing. thanks for explaining
[15:33] <zebaszp> ...or you could have them migrate to raring/rolling?
[15:33] <zebaszp> :P
[15:40] <TheMuso> accessibility roles are also needded.
[15:40] <TheMuso> As well as possible stuff for keyboard nav in the desktop case.
[15:41] <greyback> TheMuso: agreed
[15:41] <TheMuso> I'm happy to work with you guys to get that sorted, since I can do testing.
[15:41] <TheMuso> Wasn't a questino.
[15:41] <TheMuso> It was a statement.
[15:42] <greyback> TheMuso: cool! Do you know if autopilot can integrate with orca at all?
[15:42] <TheMuso> greyback: No, but LDTP will likely be able to do so.
[15:42] <TheMuso> LDTP uses the accessibility framework to do testing.
[15:42] <TheMuso> Note that there are still some bugs in the Qt a11y code itself.
[15:42] <TheMuso> I'll be working with upstream to try and get these addressed.
[15:42] <greyback> TheMuso: that's true. I'm not sure if we want to use /another/ testing framework however :)
[15:43] <greyback> TheMuso: in qt5 still? Oh dear :(
[15:43] <TheMuso> Yes.
[15:43] <TheMuso> There is only one person working on the code upstream after all.
[15:43] <zebaszp> cheers!
[15:43] <greyback> TheMuso: fregl?
[15:43] <TheMuso> greyback: Is there another channel for the SDk where we can talk about this further?
[15:43] <TheMuso> greyback: Yes.
[15:44] <greyback> #ubuntu-touch is all we have so far
[15:44] <TheMuso> Ok.
[15:44] <greyback> TheMuso: ^^ let's move there
[15:44] <TheMuso> Sure.
[15:44] <zebaszp> a wild popey appears :P
[15:44] <popey> :D
[18:45] <psivaa> What about call and possibly data divert options?
[18:47] <psivaa> bfiller_: ^
[19:01] <popey> bfiller_: happy to let the session run on for a bit if you need it
[19:01] <popey> nothing else in this room, but you guys may have other things to do
[19:01] <popey> ..or sick of the sight of eachother..
[19:01] <bfiller_> @popey we'll wrap it up
[19:01] <popey> k
[19:02] <boiko> popey: the subject needs more than a few minutes to be finished, we better end the session