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| zebaszp | jcastro, sound effects! now! | 16:59 |
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| zebaszp | :P | 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | nice sound effects :d | 16:59 |
| zebaszp | that was...weird to say the least | 16:59 |
| === joe_____ is now known as joe-uds | ||
| apw | jcastro, heh ... i assume you know you are live to the world | 17:00 |
| robru | what is this i don't even | 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | zebaszp: oh ga shaka ? | 17:00 |
| zebaszp | sebsebseb: OH GA OH GA | 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | zebaszp: OH GA SHAKA | 17:00 |
| ritz | echo on line | 17:00 |
| zebaszp | yay! :D | 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | Pacman | 17:01 |
| zebaszp | I though 5 min limit was good | 17:01 |
| achiang | lightning gong show! | 17:01 |
| cjohnston | www.askjorge.info | 17:02 |
| jcastro | anyone else want to do a lightning talk? | 17:02 |
| jcastro | bueller? | 17:03 |
| jcastro | bueller? | 17:03 |
| satoris | o/ | 17:03 |
| chiluk | url please? | 17:03 |
| jcastro | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a44ab1821faac763ce98758d58a0188f429c9112?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:03 |
| jcastro | please join and then MUTE your audio | 17:03 |
| chiluk | sorry I want the url for this error/crash page being talked about. | 17:03 |
| jcastro | oh, lol | 17:03 |
| pitti_uds | http://errors.ubuntu.com | 17:04 |
| jcastro | http://errors.ubuntu.com | 17:04 |
| chiluk | thanks. | 17:04 |
| satoris | Lots of echo... | 17:04 |
| kalenjohnson | it's good now, are you behind? | 17:04 |
| jcastro | speakers, please mute if you're not talking! | 17:04 |
| jcastro | oh nm | 17:05 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: can you please click on the person who is talking so that others don't pop up | 17:05 |
| jcastro | ack | 17:05 |
| balloons | good stuff brian | 17:05 |
| alecu` | lovely comic collection! | 17:05 |
| kalenjohnson | I like the collection of comics | 17:05 |
| kalenjohnson | not a question | 17:06 |
| balloons | QUESTION: can I get to everything you did without lp credentials? | 17:06 |
| robru | pitti_uds, we love you! | 17:06 |
| jcastro | plenty of room for more talks! | 17:07 |
| satoris | Please mute, massive echo all around. | 17:07 |
| bdmurray | balloons: to view buckets you currently need to provide your lp credentials | 17:07 |
| barry | pitti_uds: url? | 17:08 |
| tumbleweed | bdmurray: and the usual question: when are non-canonical people going to get access to it again? | 17:08 |
| satoris | Mute the youtube widget so you don't get the sound twice... | 17:08 |
| janimo | jcastro, Q: can various sensors like accelerometers be simulated? | 17:08 |
| janimo | QUESTION ^ | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: evan is more familiar with the authentication parts than I am, sorry about that. | 17:09 |
| jmleddy | accel goes through xinput right? | 17:10 |
| jcastro | this will end up epic | 17:11 |
| slangasek | woo | 17:11 |
| nuclearbob | http://skynet.dynalias.org/karaoke/byartist.py | 17:11 |
| jmleddy | lul | 17:11 |
| smoser | I'm pretty sure you agreed explicitly to *not* do this before joining the hangout | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | lol | 17:12 |
| jppiiroi1en | OMG! | 17:12 |
| kalenjohnson | not what I was expecting | 17:12 |
| alesage | time limit dictates no "stairway to heaven" :) | 17:12 |
| * philipballew is scared | 17:12 | |
| balloons | lol | 17:12 |
| jppiiroi1en | i can see the light! | 17:12 |
| achiang | this is hilarious | 17:12 |
| vrruiz | lol | 17:12 |
| chiluk | hah. | 17:12 |
| catbus_ | lol | 17:12 |
| rsalveti | lol | 17:12 |
| Mirv | :D | 17:12 |
| pitti_uds | vUDS with a human touch!! | 17:13 |
| * Cheesehead rubs chin | 17:13 | |
| philipballew | This is better the television!! | 17:13 |
| xnox | nuclearbob: we cannot hear you! | 17:13 |
| janimo | jmleddy, some accel yes, some via iio | 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | that's very interesting | 17:13 |
| janimo | no unified kernel interface | 17:13 |
| xnox | nuclearbob: what's that noise =( | 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and what was that about Mumble? | 17:13 |
| jppiiroi1en | at least he did not rick roll us :D | 17:13 |
| kamal__ | nuclearbob++ | 17:13 |
| * plars congratulates nuclearbob on having what I think is probably the first lightning talk presented as a musical | 17:13 | |
| Saviq|UDS | huge lol | 17:13 |
| olafura | jcastro you just slot me last with my Enyo presentation | 17:13 |
| zebaszp | jppiiroilen, don't give him ideas! | 17:13 |
| robin-gloster_ | you can set up hangout that it doesn't change volume | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | *clap* *clap* *clap* | 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: very intersting, what was that about muble though? | 17:14 |
| xnox | What's that noise?! | 17:14 |
| xnox | oooohhhh | 17:14 |
| zebaszp | the noise's gone | 17:14 |
| xnox | who has the static noise? | 17:14 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: I can only log into mumble with one account, so I couldn't get it working | 17:14 |
| xnox | oh. gone nor. | 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: oh? | 17:14 |
| ogra_ | xnox, i have it in a can here now | 17:14 |
| slangasek | the karaoke was so mind-blowing that it triggered a gas leak in jcastro's house | 17:14 |
| balloons | xnox, your going to share something yes? | 17:14 |
| jcastro | I'm sure google will love that feedback from Ubuntu | 17:15 |
| jasnow | make fonts bigger | 17:15 |
| xnox | balloons: hm? | 17:15 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: it uses SSO, and when I login twice, it kicks the first one out | 17:15 |
| balloons | xnox, lol.. the people demand to see you on camera | 17:15 |
| zebaszp | paste to pad! | 17:15 |
| jasnow | that's better | 17:15 |
| xnox | thats better. | 17:15 |
| pitti_uds | smoser: it's better now, thanks | 17:15 |
| pitti_uds | jcastro: better, please say s o | 17:16 |
| pitti_uds | "so" | 17:16 |
| jcastro | "by the way, fix karoke for UDS, thanks Google!" | 17:16 |
| cjwatson | plars: I fear kirkland has done this before | 17:16 |
| plars | cjwatson: ah, could be | 17:16 |
| jcastro | plenty of time left for other speakers! Anyone interested? | 17:16 |
| cjwatson | (which rendered the words completely unintelligible to me; I can't generally distinguish words very well over music) | 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: oh it's just the add thing on your site? | 17:17 |
| jcastro | cjwatson: the only thing left to replicate is to have james_w try to join | 17:17 |
| janimo | jcastro, if noone volunteers can we have nuclearbob back for the remaining 40 minutes? | 17:17 |
| lool | smoser: lost video | 17:17 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: the add thing is just a python script running on my workstation to manage the queue, getting multiple audio source with reasonable sync and not squelchign each other is the hard part | 17:17 |
| cjwatson | so on the whole I'd like to suggest that speakers don't use music unless it's actually relevant to the talk as it was in nuclearbob's case :) | 17:17 |
| lool | smoser: it's back now | 17:17 |
| tedg | jcastro, That will never work! | 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: right well I added something on there :d or apparantly | 17:18 |
| cjwatson | jcastro: I don't think we want Google's datacentre to explode today | 17:18 |
| balloons | since it's on air, you can use studio mode in the preferences to prevent the squelch :-) | 17:18 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: we'll need help, I only know the chorus on that one :) | 17:18 |
| geofft | I kind of wish kvm -curses would play better with the framebuffer. Dunno if that's even possible | 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: were you going to test this later again? | 17:18 |
| cjwatson | I find myself not using it much because I often need -monitor stdio or -gdb stdio | 17:19 |
| pitti_uds | smoser: *applaud* | 17:19 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: yes, we'll have an on-air hangout after sessions are over | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | *clap* *clap* *clap* | 17:19 |
| jppiiroi1en | what where the links | 17:19 |
| cjwatson | jcastro: I like the way my current captcha for qwebirc says "horseless" | 17:19 |
| nuclearbob | baloons: oh yeah, we talked about that yesterday, I just forgot when I was on | 17:19 |
| jdstrand | smoser: nice :) | 17:19 |
| cjwatson | hope that's not a hint | 17:19 |
| jppiiroi1en | if you dont mind pasting them here | 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: to sing karoke ? | 17:19 |
| nuclearbob | sebsebseb: yep | 17:19 |
| jcastro | need more speakers! Who has something to show! | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | jppiiroi1en, in the etherpad | 17:19 |
| jppiiroi1en | ogra_: good point :D | 17:19 |
| zebaszp | jcastro, I have speakers! ...wait, that's not it...nevermind | 17:20 |
| jcastro | tee hee | 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | nuclearbob: I'll check that out later, if you get me the link, but I Thoght you were going to leave in here then anyway | 17:20 |
| zyga-uds | jcastro: hey, I want to show something | 17:20 |
| zyga-uds | jcastro: can you give me the hangout link | 17:20 |
| jcastro | rock and roll, join up (and then mute) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a44ab1821faac763ce98758d58a0188f429c9112?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:21 |
| pitti_uds | that sounds like interesting competition to https://launchpad.net/bake | 17:21 |
| jcastro | anyone else? | 17:21 |
| satoris | https://sourceforge.net/projects/meson/ | 17:21 |
| balloons | where is the wiki exactly? | 17:22 |
| pstolowski | how does it compare to cmake / scons ? | 17:22 |
| rsalveti | jcastro: can we ask people to put the name tag at the hangout? | 17:22 |
| rsalveti | at least with the irc nick | 17:22 |
| lool | zyga-uds: ^ | 17:22 |
| pitti_uds | satoris: does it know things like building docs, .girs, pkg-config, etc.? | 17:22 |
| satoris | pstolowski: it's quite a lot like CMake, actually but nicer user interface. | 17:22 |
| balloons | speak your name :-) | 17:22 |
| zebaszp | +1 rsalveti | 17:23 |
| satoris | The basic idea is that you don't marshall around compiler flags and such, but rather say things at higher levels of abstraction and let the system do stuff for you. | 17:23 |
| jcastro | rsalveti: got something cool to show off? | 17:23 |
| nuclearbob | so is this the Enyo that was going to be the framework for newer versions of WebOS, or something else? | 17:24 |
| mfisch | yay webos | 17:24 |
| satoris | pitti_uds: pkg-config support is natively in it. Custom targets exist but not fully useful yet. | 17:24 |
| mfisch | nuclearbob: Webos was using enyo before HP killed it even | 17:24 |
| pstolowski | satoris: thanks | 17:24 |
| mfisch | assuming this is the same | 17:24 |
| rsalveti | jcastro: not actually, our cool stuff is already public and consumed by a lot of folks :-) | 17:24 |
| alex_abreu | satoris, how does it differ from like scons from the 'high level' perspective? | 17:25 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 17:25 |
| satoris | alex_abreu: it does not do the building itself, which SCons does (which is also why it is slow as molasses). | 17:25 |
| alex_abreu | satoris, yeah and scons sucks w/ depends | 17:25 |
| zebaszp | jcastro, should we have some spare time, we can always fill it with some oh ga shaka | 17:26 |
| satoris | It also has a custom language rather than being a Python library. | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | scons is a nightmare for anyone who wants to support cross-compilation too | 17:26 |
| alex_abreu | satoris, well one could be a dsl on top of scons :) | 17:26 |
| alex_abreu | build | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | (because it's really a framework for writing build systems, not a build system) | 17:26 |
| jcastro | zebaszp: I'm going to do my best to make that NOT happen, heh. | 17:26 |
| satoris | You can write a SCons backend for Meson if you want. :) | 17:26 |
| alex_abreu | satoris, mmmh no thx :) ... I am not a scons fan, having used it way too much | 17:27 |
| zebaszp | jcastro: yeah, that would probably creep most people out, myself included | 17:27 |
| satoris | Fair enough. | 17:27 |
| fugue88 | Yeah, enyo looks awesome. | 17:28 |
| joe-uds | add link and contact info to the pad please | 17:28 |
| pitti_uds | or want dinner :) | 17:29 |
| nuclearbob | I want lunch | 17:29 |
| gema_ | zyga-uds: can you talk a bit slower? | 17:29 |
| pitti_uds | yeah, rather have 7 mins :) | 17:30 |
| zebaszp | I'd go for some tea | 17:30 |
| jcastro | http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/precise/current/ | 17:31 |
| jcastro | PSA ^ | 17:31 |
| cjohnston | zyga-uds: breathe | 17:32 |
| balloons | zyga-uds, link to what you showed? | 17:33 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: don't they already exist? | 17:33 |
| zyga-uds | balloons: lp:checkbox | 17:33 |
| zyga-uds | balloons: Vagrantfile and test-in-vagrant.sh | 17:33 |
| slangasek | I haven't managed to get over the namespace collision between vagrant and Vagrant Cascadian | 17:33 |
| zyga-uds | gema_: sorry, I'm always stressed on air | 17:33 |
| zyga-uds | cjohnston: hehe | 17:33 |
| balloons | zyga-uds, no worries.. very cool stuff.. | 17:33 |
| zebaszp | oh ga shaka? | 17:33 |
| joe-uds | zyga-uds: add your links to the pad please | 17:33 |
| gema_ | zyga-uds: it's ok, it was cool, I was having trouble to follow, that's all :D | 17:33 |
| mfisch | vagrant looks cool | 17:34 |
| zyga-uds | joe-uds: sure | 17:34 |
| pitti_uds | thanks folks | 17:34 |
| cjohnston | zyga-uds: balloons we are using vagrant for Summit, QA Dashboard and LoCo Team Portal | 17:34 |
| balloons | cjohnston, ohh.. didn't realize how much use it already had | 17:34 |
| zebaszp | I just wanted more sound effects :( | 17:34 |
| fugue88 | jcastro: Nicely managed! | 17:34 |
| fugue88 | o/ | 17:34 |
| gema_ | cjohnston: we really should talk more | 17:34 |
| gema_ | x) | 17:34 |
| pstolowski | zyga-uds: great stuff, can you share some configs etc? | 17:34 |
| jcastro | hey, notbadobama.png everyone! | 17:35 |
| zebaszp | well, at least I have a little break to make myself some tea | 17:35 |
| jcastro | indeed, food time | 17:35 |
| zebaszp | not bad at all, jcastro | 17:35 |
| pstolowski | zyga-uds: ah, ok, you've just added the links to etherpad | 17:35 |
| zebaszp | a little lacking in the sound effect department to my taste, but hey! it was fun! | 17:35 |
| zyga-uds | pstolowski: done | 17:35 |
| jcastro | I was trying to not overdo them, so tempting though | 17:35 |
| jcastro | with all those buttons | 17:35 |
| zyga-uds | biggest issue with vagrant is that raring is broeken (host fs support) | 17:36 |
| zyga-uds | and that virtualbox 4.2 and vagrant 1.0.6 are not packaged (boo) | 17:36 |
| pstolowski | zyga-uds: thanks! | 17:36 |
| jcastro | zyga-uds: yeah there's some things we need to fix | 17:37 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: don't you maintain all that? :) | 17:37 |
| janimo | zyga-uds, should vagrant work with LXC ? | 17:37 |
| bobweaver | domo orgato mr robto | 17:37 |
| micahg | virtualbox 4.2 isn't DFSG anymroe | 17:37 |
| zyga-uds | jcastro: getting virtualbox supported more _or_ making vagrant work on kvm would be awesome | 17:37 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: maybe | 17:37 |
| zyga-uds | janimo: not easily | 17:37 |
| zyga-uds | janimo: vagrant bundles exported virtual machine images (ovf format) with some configuration files | 17:38 |
| cjohnston | zyga-uds: are you talking raring as the vagrant image, or running it in raring? | 17:38 |
| zyga-uds | janimo: so it won't work with lxc as it requires full virtualization | 17:38 |
| jcastro | I think he's talking about running it | 17:38 |
| jcastro | not so much that there's a box | 17:38 |
| zyga-uds | janimo: there are non linux images as well so if you have the rights you can vagrant test an OSX image or windows | 17:38 |
| cjohnston | zyga-uds: It works on raring.. | 17:38 |
| roadmr | I see vagrant heavily targeted at rails developers, I understand using vbox as virtualization backend as it runs on their fancy macs :P | 17:38 |
| roadmr | but yes it'd rock having that for kvm | 17:38 |
| jcastro | roadmr: yep | 17:38 |
| zyga-uds | cjohnston: I'm running raring, raring images for vagrant are broken due to kernel incompatibility with virtualbox out-of-tree modules | 17:39 |
| roadmr | jcastro: hey, at least they don't use parallels to virtualize :p | 17:39 |
| cjohnston | zyga-uds: gotcha... the raring box | 17:39 |
| jcastro | roadmr: And I can appreciate the need for vagrant for them to deploy to their ubuntu servers | 17:39 |
| zyga-uds | from my point of view, I'd like vagrant written in python, with an API | 17:39 |
| zyga-uds | that works on kvm | 17:39 |
| balloons | micahg, ohh my.. what changed in vbox 4.2? | 17:39 |
| zyga-uds | and I'd be a happy panda | 17:39 |
| micahg | balloons: BIOS | 17:39 |
| geofft | vagrant with kvm would make me so happy. | 17:39 |
| geofft | Why isn't libvirt the answer here? Does vbox on OS X not do libvirt? | 17:40 |
| zyga-uds | the essential win is that a small vagrantfile can get everyone the same environment via vanilla image + provisioning that's trivial to understand and modify | 17:40 |
| micahg | debian 691148 has the info | 17:40 |
| udsbotu | Debian bug 691148 in virtualbox "Please package virtualbox 4.2.6" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/691148 | 17:40 |
| micahg | I assume no one else has the plenary live stream? | 17:40 |
| quesh | hello | 17:40 |
| cjohnston | micahg: it ended | 17:40 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: probably easier to understand how to script vbox than to get ruby bindings to libvirt that osx users cannot care less about | 17:40 |
| micahg | oh | 17:40 |
| balloons | micahg, wow.. ok, interesting dicussion, ty | 17:42 |
| balloons | micahg, it will be available to view shortly enough | 17:42 |
| balloons | the recording of it anyway | 17:43 |
| geofft | zyga-uds: Yeah, I'm just curious if this is "someone should put in the effort", or a bigger thing | 17:43 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: getting vagrant supported better would be good enough | 17:43 |
| zyga-uds | elopio: the idea itself is very cool | 17:43 |
| zyga-uds | er | 17:43 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: and there's momentum behind it already | 17:44 |
| geofft | btw, web search finds an LWN comment linking to https://bitbucket.org/marduk/hemp | 17:46 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: cool thing, thanks, I'll have a look at this | 17:46 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: one big issue that vagrant has is that relying on virtualbox kind of rules out bleeding edge stuff | 17:47 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: whereas the same image could just work on kvm | 17:47 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: and perhaps we need to rsync the source tree there | 17:47 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: it's going to be still on the same level of "awesome" than what we had before | 17:47 |
| geofft | zyga-uds: oh, you mean that vbox rules out a bleeding-edge _host_? yeah, sure | 17:48 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: kernel modules are out of tree | 17:48 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: and always out of sync in practice | 17:48 |
| geofft | zyga-uds: yes, I suspect a Linux image will work fine on multiple hypervisors | 17:48 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: but that's not as problematic as it sounds if you run bleeding edge and test stable in VMs | 17:48 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: the only thing that vbox improves is the shared fs module | 17:48 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: but even that has issues, like no symlink support (thanks windows) | 17:49 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: er, I misread you -- vbox rules out bleeding edge guest | 17:51 |
| zyga-uds | geofft: host seems to work | 17:52 |
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| bobweaver | Question: why are you all not using gimp/photoshop-qmlexporter ? the whole thing is qml and when we just get screenshots we the developers have to cut up your artwork. This makes the developers job 2x as long. Why not work like a stream in a river aka flowing ? | 18:04 |
| bobweaver | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter ^^^ | 18:05 |
| bobweaver | I guess that I might be in the wrong room ? | 18:08 |
| ogra_ | heh, hi bobweaver | 18:08 |
| bobweaver | hello there ogra_ | 18:08 |
| ogra_ | (yes you are standing in an empty plenary room ... dont you see the empty chairs ? :) ) | 18:08 |
| nuclearbob | karaoke is starting here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/0642ce7b16924e43f9afedf1b84235badd690f22?authuser=0&hl=en | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | is there a watch only link for the karoke? | 20:21 |
| ogra_ | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/914b5784e52c5967784eae44e4b138a346b1ff90?authuser=0 post UDS beer hangout | 20:22 |
| Mamarok | ogra_where do we go for the smoke? | 20:32 |
| ogra_ | Mamarok, i was actually thinking of a smokers corner :) but then that separates you from the drinking | 20:33 |
| ogra_ | so i just smoke in the drinking room (bad me) | 20:33 |
| Mamarok | ogra_: well, I still don't smoke, but the smoking corner is usually always quite fun :) | 20:33 |
| ogra_ | hehe, yeah | 20:33 |
| ogra_ | Mamarok, geez, when did you change nicks ? | 20:34 |
| ogra_ | i didnt recognize you !! | 20:34 |
| Mamarok | ogra_: a very long time ago, like, 6 or 7 years I think | 20:35 |
| ogra_ | nahh | 20:35 |
| === kentb is now known as kentb-out | ||
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