| === wedgwood_away is now known as wedgwood | ||
| === wedgwood is now known as wedgwood_away | ||
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-1 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Fast Path Install Review | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21661/fast-path-install-review/ | ||
| smoser | hey all. | 14:01 |
|---|---|---|
| smoser | we're waiting on roaksoax to join fishbowl | 14:01 |
| smoser | then... should be starting very shortly. | 14:01 |
| med_ | good morning | 14:03 |
| Daviey | hey | 14:04 |
| lynxman | med_: morning o/ | 14:05 |
| chiluk_ | will there be a first-boot concept? | 14:05 |
| med_ | chiluk_, you should be skiing. | 14:05 |
| chiluk_ | I should be. | 14:05 |
| med_ | Lot's of TODOs in the BP still. | 14:06 |
| smoser | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit | 14:06 |
| smoser | there are lots of blueprint items, yes. | 14:07 |
| roadmr | question, I remember the server install images moved to using a squashfs rather than a pool of .deb packages, this sped them up considerably. So here we're looking at something even faster? | 14:07 |
| chiluk_ | thanks for the wiki link smoser | 14:07 |
| med_ | so thin install plus the cloud-init package to "customise" the thin install | 14:07 |
| Daviey | roadmr: yes, rather than using squasfs.. talking of re-using cloud images, so dd like experience | 14:08 |
| roadmr | I see, thanks | 14:08 |
| * med_ nods his head furiously and realizes he's off camera | 14:09 | |
| jtaylor | are you using eatmydata to speed up dpkg? | 14:10 |
| shirgall | A reminder, if someone watches the session later they can't see the questions, so it may help to summarize the question concisely for the recording. | 14:12 |
| jtaylor | in my experience force-unsfae-io is not as good as eatmydata | 14:12 |
| smoser | shirgall, thanks. | 14:13 |
| Daviey | shirgall: i think we are trying to do that.. if we are not, please shout. | 14:13 |
| jtaylor | its been a while since i compared though | 14:13 |
| med_ | Yes how do we test. | 14:14 |
| med_ | ROAKSOAX | 14:14 |
| roaksoax | o/ | 14:14 |
| Daviey | rock socks? | 14:14 |
| rbasak | smoser: you pronounced smoser wrong :-P | 14:14 |
| med_ | is there any hardware limitations on target hosts? | 14:14 |
| med_ | which maas do we need to use? | 14:15 |
| med_ | did MAAS get SRUd into Precise? | 14:15 |
| Daviey | med_: do you want to join the inner circle? | 14:15 |
| Daviey | (or anyone else?) | 14:15 |
| roaksoax | med_: no.. waiting on an upstream bug fix before oing so | 14:15 |
| med_ | ARM | 14:16 |
| med_ | :) | 14:16 |
| med_ | PPA works. | 14:17 |
| med_ | :) | 14:17 |
| med_ | How can we help? | 14:17 |
| med_ | Daviey, Do you mean something like juju deploy ubuntu, destroy-service ubuntu; juju deploy something else | 14:19 |
| rbasak | sfdisk or gsfdisk input format? | 14:20 |
| Daviey | i've never used gsfdisk | 14:21 |
| Daviey | is it compatible ? | 14:21 |
| rbasak | No, it's different. gsfdisk for GPT | 14:21 |
| rbasak | fstab format for filesystems | 14:21 |
| rbasak | We have a standard way of referring to partitions on a disk :) | 14:21 |
| rbasak | I use sfdisk format a lot by hand | 14:22 |
| rbasak | But I may not be normal | 14:22 |
| rbasak | It's concise | 14:22 |
| smoser | echo "1,1" | sfidisk /dev/sda | 14:22 |
| med_ | that formats the whole disk as 1 ptn? | 14:22 |
| * med_ will try that in a VM. | 14:23 | |
| rbasak | Yes but you can miss most stuff out and it'll do a sensible default | 14:23 |
| rbasak | Eg. fill to avaiable space | 14:23 |
| med_ | on /dev/scotsssda | 14:23 |
| Daviey | oh neat | 14:23 |
| rbasak | We will need to think a little bit about GPT | 14:24 |
| Daviey | rbasak: want to join the hangout? | 14:24 |
| rbasak | This is just an aside, right? | 14:24 |
| med_ | Isn't GPT required for some archs. | 14:25 |
| med_ | (IA64 used to require it as it was EFI based.) | 14:25 |
| med_ | well, still does, but is kind of irrelevant. | 14:25 |
| med_ | smoser, are you using ACTUAL hardware or VMs to devel/test? | 14:27 |
| med_ | thanks. | 14:29 |
| med_ | Daviey, can you elaborate? | 14:29 |
| med_ | or smoser is | 14:30 |
| med_ | we'll have more info next UDS on poking/playing? | 14:31 |
| roadmr | thanks! | 14:32 |
| shirgall | Thanks! | 14:32 |
| psusi | shoot, did I miss the meeting? | 14:46 |
| Daviey | psusi: sadly. | 14:47 |
| psusi | smoser: I wanted to pipe up on this to ask if anyone had considered rather than coming up with an alternate installer, workign to fix d-i so it isn't so slow? I worked up some patches recently to make debootstrap much faster | 14:48 |
| smoser | psusi, oh? thats neat. | 14:50 |
| smoser | and clearly a more general solution. | 14:51 |
| smoser | i tink that having a filesystem ready and easily written to a filesystem though is still nice. and just about guaranteed to be faster than dpkg. | 14:52 |
| psusi | ideally I'd like dpkg to be at least say, 80% as fast as that, preferably 90%+ | 14:52 |
| psusi | it seems to me that it is slowness is due to a lot of fsyncs that aren't needed especially on first install, so I patched debootstrap to pull in and activate libeatmydata to defeat that junk and it made it MUCH faster | 14:53 |
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| psusi | like 5x faster or something iirc | 14:54 |
| smoser | psusi, that is very interesting. i konw that the installer uses unsafe-io | 14:55 |
| smoser | but didn't realize that eatmydata was *that* much faster. | 14:55 |
| psusi | yea, that does very little | 14:55 |
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| psusi | it only gets rid of something like 10% of the syncs | 14:56 |
| smoser | any way you look at it, installation of packages and execution of pre/post installs cripts is going to be slower though. | 14:56 |
| smoser | than tar, which is just writing to disk. | 14:56 |
| smoser | but that is solved/addressed by the squashfs images to some extent. | 14:57 |
| smoser | tanks psusi we should move out of this channel though. | 14:57 |
| smoser | :) | 14:57 |
| psusi | aye ;) | 14:57 |
| Daviey | jamespage: are you joining us? | 14:59 |
| Daviey | anyone else want to be in the inner circle? | 14:59 |
| med_ | Grrrrr | 15:01 |
| Daviey | Starting shortly. | 15:01 |
| smoser | HIT RELOAD NOW! | 15:02 |
| nordm | Is the stream up n running? | 15:02 |
| med_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqV6PW4e_90&feature=player_embedded | 15:03 |
| med_ | live | 15:03 |
| med_ | nice housefull | 15:03 |
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| med_ | zul? | 15:03 |
| med_ | no longer | 15:06 |
| med_ | only cinder | 15:06 |
| ivoks | i guess we could test that | 15:08 |
| ivoks | updates | 15:08 |
| med_ | Any other new packages/services? OSLO? Ceilometer? etc | 15:10 |
| med_ | Heat? | 15:10 |
| hlh | OATs? | 15:14 |
| med_ | How do rolling releases impact OpenStack? | 15:14 |
| Daviey | med_: for cloud archive, they don't :) | 15:15 |
| nordm | MIR? | 15:16 |
| jamespage | Main Include Request | 15:16 |
| jamespage | Inclusion rather | 15:16 |
| nordm | thx | 15:16 |
| med_ | RCs make sense. | 15:17 |
| med_ | I guess "rolling releases" was really a question for the OpenStack Havana session we haven't yet scheduled in this UDS. | 15:20 |
| med_ | so no testing, no recommendation... etc. | 15:22 |
| med_ | so unknown but possible>? | 15:22 |
| med_ | ^ w/r/t ZeroMQ | 15:22 |
| Daviey | yes | 15:23 |
| med_ | Haven't looked | 15:24 |
| med_ | has webops looked? | 15:24 |
| med_ | wedgwood, ^ | 15:24 |
| med_ | at NRPE plugin | 15:24 |
| med_ | (for Grizzly) | 15:24 |
| dweaver | Landscape API integrates with Nagios | 15:24 |
| dweaver | http://blog.landscape.canonical.com/2012/09/13/landscape-with-nagios/ | 15:26 |
| Daviey | dweaver: thanks, looks useful | 15:27 |
| Daviey | dweaver: we should talk to landscape about this | 15:28 |
| hlh | is OATs a candidate for MIR? | 15:29 |
| dweaver | Daviey, We use it in our demo lab to demonstrate to customers management of an openstack deployment, works pretty well. Federico would be the one to talk to. | 15:30 |
| yolanda_ | hi, i don't have any sound or mike sorry | 15:30 |
| Daviey | hlh: not sure how much value MIR adds to it? | 15:31 |
| roaksoax | /win 13 | 15:32 |
| jamespage | hlh: OAT open attestation? | 15:32 |
| hlh | Open Attestation | 15:32 |
| zul | oats? | 15:32 |
| med_ | hlh is US. | 15:35 |
| med_ | erm, Canonical. | 15:35 |
| jamespage | med_, so I understand | 15:35 |
| hlh | sure, for now :) | 15:35 |
| jamespage | sorry hlh :-) | 15:35 |
| hlh | I'm good for now | 15:35 |
| hlh | thank you | 15:37 |
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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-1 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Machine Access to Ubuntu Image Data Review | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21662/machine-access-to-ubuntu-image-data-review/ | ||
| Daviey | starting shortly | 16:00 |
| Daviey | rbasak: are you joining this? | 16:01 |
| rbasak | Sure | 16:01 |
| Daviey | Machine readable cloud image data | 16:01 |
| med_ | not live yet | 16:02 |
| smoser | HIT RELOAD NOW | 16:03 |
| med_ | not live yet | 16:03 |
| smoser | well, NOW | 16:03 |
| med_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1rsjo2WmyM&feature=player_embedded | 16:03 |
| med_ | live | 16:03 |
| smoser | collection format: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/ | 16:05 |
| Daviey | Who do we have in the audience ? | 16:05 |
| med_ | \o/ | 16:06 |
| med_ | easy | 16:06 |
| med_ | easy to share | 16:06 |
| med_ | daviey set focus on his screen so focus doesn't follow voice | 16:06 |
| med_ | it keeps jumping to others | 16:06 |
| Daviey | is that ok? | 16:07 |
| med_ | yeppers | 16:07 |
| med_ | and very readable. | 16:07 |
| med_ | can someone dump that URL in here? | 16:08 |
| med_ | if it is publicly reachable | 16:09 |
| smoser | http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/images/streams/v1/ | 16:10 |
| med_ | thanks | 16:10 |
| niemeyer | +1 for json | 16:11 |
| niemeyer | yaml is interesting when human readability is key | 16:12 |
| niemeyer | For a case like this, data availability sounds like the key.. the simplicity of json wins | 16:12 |
| niemeyer | (and ubiquity) | 16:12 |
| smoser | http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/cloud/ | 16:12 |
| med_ | Will this be provided for all public clouds? Does this work (this generalization) for other public clouds? | 16:15 |
| med_ | so Juju providers will embed this knowledge? | 16:16 |
| med_ | or something in the juju ecosystem will? | 16:16 |
| med_ | yep, image_id/something else | 16:19 |
| med_ | (didn't mean to derail meeting) | 16:21 |
| niemeyer | I have step out, but I will watch the whole video later | 16:22 |
| niemeyer | smoser: One last point.. it doesn't feel like splitting up per arch is necessary | 16:22 |
| niemeyer | smoser: I'd take one depth level out of that directory structure, and merge amd64 and i386.js into a single file | 16:23 |
| rbasak | niemeyer: not sure I follow? | 16:23 |
| med_ | me either. How can you drop an arch? | 16:23 |
| rbasak | niemeyer: ok, so a data format thing, rather than the information presented? | 16:23 |
| niemeyer | smoser: and have lucid.js instead | 16:23 |
| niemeyer | rbasak: Right | 16:23 |
| niemeyer | That cuts the round trips by half, and simplifies slightly the model, without any major impact I believe | 16:24 |
| rbasak | Yes - after all instance store and ebs are separate too. | 16:25 |
| rbasak | But we're tying them together | 16:25 |
| niemeyer | There are several axis,as rbasak points out | 16:25 |
| rbasak | I think the core data format allows flexibility here, right? | 16:25 |
| Daviey | Considering code names were technically only supposed to be used during development, it should probbaly be 10.04.js | 16:25 |
| rbasak | Daviey: so what about raring? | 16:26 |
| med_ | arm64 arch | 16:26 |
| rbasak | It would need to change on release | 16:26 |
| Daviey | rbasak: Good question ! | 16:26 |
| niemeyer | smoser: I don't think I get it.. there are several axis there | 16:26 |
| niemeyer | smoser: i386/amd64.. ebs/instance.. | 16:26 |
| niemeyer | Sure, but that doesn't justify the fact they can't be together.. people have to cherry-pick the right item inside that file anyway | 16:28 |
| med_ | I thought the idea was that you'd get the latest/freshest/right item by default.... | 16:29 |
| niemeyer | It's kind of the opposite of what would be an issue.. the *common* axis are out of the data format.. these are the axis that *can* be in the format because they are standardized across providers. | 16:31 |
| Daviey | med_ / niemeyer: Wnat to join the fishbowl? | 16:31 |
| niemeyer | Daviey: I can't, I really have to step out.. :( | 16:31 |
| Daviey | :( | 16:31 |
| niemeyer | But I'll watch out the full video | 16:31 |
| niemeyer | s/out// | 16:31 |
| Daviey | niemeyer: Shame, sounds like you have some good points. | 16:31 |
| niemeyer | and provide feedback | 16:31 |
| niemeyer | Ultimately, each provider could be an independent file.. | 16:32 |
| niemeyer | aws.js | 16:32 |
| niemeyer | etc | 16:32 |
| rbasak | niemeyer: yes - and the format allows us to break it down by provider, AIUI | 16:33 |
| niemeyer | With less field duplication inside the format itself | 16:33 |
| niemeyer | This reduces the burden when using that data | 16:33 |
| niemeyer | (for an app developer) | 16:33 |
| niemeyer | I'll organize those thoughts and provide a suggestion | 16:33 |
| rbasak | niemeyer: thanks! Appreciate your input. | 16:34 |
| * niemeyer steps aside | 16:34 | |
| rbasak | smoser: also MAAS for ephemeral images? | 16:35 |
| rbasak | And d-i netinst images perhaps? | 16:35 |
| rbasak | Or is that out of scope? | 16:35 |
| rbasak | Didn't want to interrupt :) | 16:41 |
| med_ | too polite... | 16:41 |
| * med_ lost his entire train of thought while joining. | 16:41 | |
| med_ | short train though, one car. | 16:42 |
| Daviey | rbasak: sorry. :) | 16:42 |
| med_ | Jump in if you have questions--we'll proxy them... | 16:48 |
| med_ | lightning talks are next so probably no reason to curtail discussion here unless folks are presenting there | 16:53 |
| med_ | some of us have other conflicts though | 16:53 |
| med_ | utlemming, patches are welcome.... :^) | 16:54 |
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| med_ | so is IQN akin to a UUID? | 16:57 |
| med_ | GUID? | 16:57 |
| med_ | smoser, ^ | 16:57 |
| med_ | okay | 16:57 |
| utlemming | I have to run to the next meeting | 16:57 |
| med_ | ditto. | 16:57 |
| Daviey | med_: erm, sort of | 17:03 |
| med_ | nod. he said "stream" just as I typed that in real time. | 17:03 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-1 to: Track: Cloud & Server | MAAS Review | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21657/maas-review/ | ||
| smoser | 10..9..8... | 18:17 |
| smoser | starting in | 18:17 |
| smoser | 3. | 18:17 |
| smoser | 2. | 18:17 |
| smoser | 1 | 18:17 |
| smoser | RELOAD NOW! | 18:17 |
| jamespage | o/ | 18:18 |
| smoser | technical difficulties | 18:18 |
| jcastro | \o | 18:18 |
| smoser | please stand by | 18:18 |
| jamespage | smooootthhh! | 18:18 |
| * jcastro slow claps | 18:18 | |
| roaksoax | argh sorry my computer with video crashed | 18:18 |
| smoser | this is a test of your emergency broadcasting system. | 18:18 |
| dweaver | Meanwhile here's some music....... | 18:19 |
| smoser | <jeopardy themesong plays> | 18:19 |
| Daviey | anyone else want to join the inner circle? | 18:25 |
| jamespage | Daviey, not for this one ta | 18:25 |
| marrusl-uds | When do we think the SRU will go through? | 18:31 |
| dweaver | +1 on timescales for the SRU? ^^^ | 18:33 |
| marrusl-uds | \o/ | 18:35 |
| dweaver | Of course! | 18:36 |
| dweaver | I'll be deploying it to the SE Demo Lab. | 18:36 |
| marrusl-uds | would love to! | 18:36 |
| smoser | https://code.launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/charms/precise/virtual-maas/trunk | 18:40 |
| jcastro | Daviey: yeah I would like to get clarification on exactly how many machines it needs | 18:40 |
| jamespage | hey smoser! | 18:40 |
| jamespage | want me to join now? | 18:41 |
| Daviey | jamespage: sure | 18:41 |
| Daviey | and anyone else? | 18:41 |
| Daviey | jcastro: ? | 18:41 |
| jcastro | Daviey: nm, he's answering my question | 18:41 |
| nuclearbob | awesome, I'd use that | 18:41 |
| jcastro | with virtual maas I don't really care anymore, heh | 18:41 |
| jcastro | smoser: when would you guys consider the virtual maas charms to be ready to use by people like me? | 18:42 |
| nxvl | forget about "trying it" that's great for "development" environment where i want to test that before i decided to deploy | 18:42 |
| nxvl | or to play with some configurations | 18:42 |
| Daviey | jcastro: "like you" .. much longer than everyone else. :) | 18:42 |
| jcastro | well played sir | 18:42 |
| Daviey | >:) | 18:43 |
| dweaver | Agreeed. Standalone makes a lot more sense than a charm. | 18:43 |
| nxvl | How many TL does the server team has? | 18:43 |
| Daviey | 18 | 18:43 |
| nxvl | awesome! | 18:44 |
| roaksoax | smoser: you are the hot standby? | 18:44 |
| rbasak | HA tech leads! | 18:44 |
| nxvl | smoser: sure, you are stealing the credits! | 18:44 |
| zul | everyone is tl in their own special way | 18:44 |
| jcastro | nxvl: one more and they can RAID5 | 18:44 |
| nxvl | zul: ok, i won't even comment on that one... | 18:45 |
| Daviey | nxvl: The server team used to have one tech lead, but when he moved.. he had to be replaced by two people.. as the original one was of that calibre | 18:45 |
| nxvl | Daviey: who was he? | 18:45 |
| rbasak | "Ubuntu Server Technical Lead" or "Technical Lead, Ubuntu Server Team"? "People's Front of Judea" or the "Judean People's Front"? | 18:46 |
| jcastro | Daviey: I don't suppose you know the status of the maas provider for juju offhand? | 18:46 |
| smoser | :) | 18:46 |
| jcastro | roaksoax: that answers my question, thanks. | 18:48 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 18:49 |
| marrusl-uds | thanks! | 18:49 |
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| Daviey | Anyone else want to be in the inner circle? | 19:01 |
| jamespage | refresh in 10 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | 9 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | 8 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | 7 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | 6 | 19:05 |
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| jamespage | 2 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | 1 | 19:05 |
| jamespage | .... | 19:05 |
| jamespage | refresh! | 19:05 |
| arosales | up and working | 19:06 |
| jamespage | ping me if you want attention in the inner circle | 19:06 |
| arosales | adam_g: along the lines of Go Juju can you update on your plans for testing there? | 19:14 |
| jamespage | arosales, nothing until maas provider exists? | 19:14 |
| arosales | jamespage: ah, that makes perfect sense | 19:15 |
| dweaver | Are there any plans to add VNC support for connecting to instances from horizon to the openstack deployment charms? | 19:15 |
| Daviey | dweaver: isn't that working now? | 19:15 |
| melmoth | works | 19:16 |
| melmoth | (foslom and essex) | 19:16 |
| Daviey | (if it's not, it's a bug.. not lacking support) | 19:16 |
| adam_g | arosales, i did a quick test of keystone, mysql + a few core services on EC2 using go juju, seemed to work fine | 19:16 |
| melmoth | i meant, it s working, but there s no charm for it. | 19:17 |
| Daviey | melmoth / dweaver: wanna join the inner circle, to explain? | 19:17 |
| melmoth | url ? | 19:18 |
| dweaver | Daviey, not on my deployments on essex, but I have yet to try Folsom yet. | 19:18 |
| arosales | adam_g: good to hear | 19:19 |
| arosales | re go-juju testing on ec2 | 19:20 |
| Daviey | zul: come baaaaaaack | 19:20 |
| Daviey | arosales: wanna join? | 19:20 |
| arosales | Daviey: nah. Just had that quick go-juju question. | 19:20 |
| zul | sorry press the wrong button | 19:21 |
| dweaver | Daviey, url? | 19:21 |
| arosales | jamespage: is it a party since it s the last session? | 19:21 |
| Daviey | dweaver: pm | 19:21 |
| smoser | if performance of shell is an issue, should you just skip python and write charms in go? | 19:27 |
| adam_g | melmoth, lp:juju-deployer | 19:35 |
| melmoth | ok | 19:43 |
| arosales | thanks! | 19:53 |
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| danwest | when is the requirement for a dedicated juju node for the juju maas provider going away? | 20:17 |
| danwest | yup, running/installing it outside the charm | 20:19 |
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