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| mattyw | jcastro, ping? | 13:59 |
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| Daviey | starting shortly | 14:00 |
| jamespage | Daviey, great! | 14:00 |
| jcastro | mattyw: pong! | 14:01 |
| jcastro | oh, sorry, that machine is rebooting | 14:01 |
| jcastro | on my way! | 14:01 |
| Daviey | anyone else joining? | 14:01 |
| nealmcb | Video "the live event will begin in a few minutes" :) | 14:01 |
| Daviey | (the fishbowl) | 14:01 |
| Daviey | nealmcb: just trying to get everyone seated | 14:01 |
| nealmcb | :) | 14:02 |
| arosales | Hello | 14:02 |
| arosales | we are getting started with WebScale Packaging Review session | 14:02 |
| mattyw | jcastro, you're lightning talk about go juju later - are you going to talk about why it's been re written in go? | 14:03 |
| arosales | any folks here for that session | 14:03 |
| jamespage | arosales, so whos running the hangout? | 14:03 |
| jamespage | arosales, yes | 14:03 |
| arosales | jamespage: me | 14:03 |
| zyga-uds2 | hi | 14:03 |
| jamespage | arosales, URL? | 14:03 |
| arosales | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f940f0bbd48c29bcb1f6f6d4646ea5dbcef5ed6d?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:03 |
| zyga-uds2 | QUESTION: all three seem to be in the archive today, is this session about wrapping them in juju or something else? | 14:03 |
| Daviey | oops, wrong channel :) | 14:04 |
| arosales | jamespage: will you be able to join? | 14:05 |
| jamespage | arosales, yeah - getting and error joining - just trying with chrome | 14:05 |
| arosales | jamespage: ok, thanks. | 14:05 |
| jamespage | arosales, OK _ so I can't join the hangout for some reason | 14:07 |
| jamespage | I'll tune in and participate via IRC | 14:07 |
| nealmcb | great set of etherpad notes to start the session! | 14:07 |
| nealmcb | Video still not showing - is anyone talking yet? | 14:08 |
| jamespage-not-in | o/ | 14:08 |
| dweaver | nealmcb, yes, the video is working for me | 14:08 |
| jamespage-not-in | arosales: I'm on it | 14:08 |
| nealmcb | still says "this live event will begin in a few moments". I'll try reloading again | 14:09 |
| arosales | nealmcb: reload the page | 14:09 |
| nealmcb | But please do note in irc each time the video goes live for a session | 14:10 |
| nealmcb | ok, got it | 14:10 |
| jamespage-not-in | arosales: I poked mongodb enough last night to get 2.2.3 into raring | 14:11 |
| jamespage-not-in | sans SSL support | 14:11 |
| arosales | jamespage: ah great to hear | 14:11 |
| jamespage-not-in | IMHO nodejs itself moves far to fast to be in main | 14:11 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: ^^ | 14:12 |
| jamespage-not-in | yeah and thats OK until we get 10x | 14:12 |
| jamespage-not-in | its the support that would be a killer - esp security I think | 14:13 |
| jamespage-not-in | I would actually prefer to see a series align set of PPA's for nodejs | 14:13 |
| jamespage-not-in | 6.x 8.x 10.x etc. etc. | 14:13 |
| mariusko_ | We are using Node for development, and the PPA version is sufficient, but not the released ones in distro. | 14:13 |
| jamespage-not-in | for openstack what we have in distro 6.x is sufficient | 14:14 |
| mariusko_ | Other deps, we get from npm | 14:14 |
| jamespage-not-in | BUT we don't use it for openstack-dashboard runtime - just to generate the less assets statically | 14:14 |
| jamespage-not-in | RE PPA - there is a maintained PPA already | 14:15 |
| jamespage-not-in | https://launchpad.net/~chris-lea/+archive/node.js | 14:15 |
| jamespage-not-in | maybe I'll write a less compressor in python and remove the dependency for openstack | 14:17 |
| jamespage-not-in | :-) | 14:17 |
| jcastro | mattyw: it'll mostly be an overview on feature parity. We haven't done a thorough benchmark quite yet. | 14:18 |
| nealmcb | reliance on specific node.js versions sounds like the messy world of java dependencies - ouch... | 14:18 |
| mattyw | jcastro, ok thanks | 14:18 |
| jamespage-not-in | I have tested the SSL support | 14:18 |
| mariusko_ | A version of nodejs in backports would be better I think than PPA, or supply different versions for the user to decide. | 14:18 |
| jamespage-not-in | had some issues on armhf | 14:18 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: agreed | 14:19 |
| niemeyer | FWIW, it's not clear that we cannot include it | 14:19 |
| jamespage-not-in | GPL code linking to OpenSSL without exception | 14:19 |
| niemeyer | THere is a specific exception about distribution software with a distribution, IIRC | 14:19 |
| jamespage-not-in | niemeyer: you are correct - we are following the Debian stance right now | 14:19 |
| niemeyer | We should talk to a lawyer | 14:20 |
| jamespage-not-in | niemeyer: Ubuntu can elect todo something different | 14:20 |
| jamespage-not-in | niemeyer: upstream don't believe there is an issue | 14:20 |
| niemeyer | jamespage-not-in: If we can legally ship it, it sounds like a big service we'd be doing to people | 14:21 |
| jamespage-not-in | niemeyer: agreed | 14:21 |
| mariusko_ | Making the ppa endorsed as "official" would probably have the same effect | 14:21 |
| niemeyer | Since we'd be matching precisely the exception rule | 14:22 |
| mariusko_ | Recompiling wont work when you run "juju add-unit -n 10" | 14:23 |
| mariusko_ | You end up with manual work or different version in different machines | 14:23 |
| jamespage-not-in | just around mongodb | 14:23 |
| utlemming | mariusko_: that's was my point about repeatability. | 14:23 |
| niemeyer | 2.4 is around the block | 14:23 |
| niemeyer | Do we have plans for including it? | 14:23 |
| jamespage-not-in | arm support is currently a distro patch (again) | 14:23 |
| jamespage-not-in | niemeyer: yes | 14:24 |
| niemeyer | jamespage-not-in: Super, thanks | 14:24 |
| mariusko_ | japp, about nodejs | 14:24 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: something with arm support would be good | 14:25 |
| jamespage-not-in | chris's PPA does not have that | 14:25 |
| mariusko_ | Regarding the mongo&SSL, isn't upstream breaking license too? | 14:25 |
| jamespage-not-in | mariusko_: I don't think so | 14:25 |
| niemeyer | A PPA is a PPA.. blessing it or not doesn't make a lot of difference in practice it seems | 14:25 |
| niemeyer | There will still be a package in main, that will be out of date | 14:26 |
| niemeyer | Upstream cannot ship it | 14:26 |
| niemeyer | We can | 14:26 |
| niemeyer | (apparently) | 14:27 |
| niemeyer | We should ship it if that's true | 14:27 |
| arosales | niemeyer: mainly I think folks are looking for a way to have confidence in a package and get the latest in terms of node.js. | 14:27 |
| elmo | utlemming: kind of | 14:28 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: yes | 14:28 |
| niemeyer | +1 | 14:28 |
| jamespage-not-in | elmo: do you have a different take on this? | 14:28 |
| elmo | the distinction is the wording of 'major essential component' | 14:29 |
| elmo | and whether or not openssl counts as such for Ubuntu | 14:29 |
| elmo | I'm not qualified to say whether or not it does | 14:29 |
| elmo | but it's not about whether or not we actually ship libssl | 14:29 |
| elmo | Debian does too | 14:29 |
| elmo | it's about whether we/lawyers are happy for that to be considered a major essential component | 14:29 |
| niemeyer | +1 | 14:29 |
| utlemming | More information from the Gnome Folks: http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html | 14:30 |
| elmo | anyway, this is details, and I doubt we can resolve it here | 14:30 |
| ayr_ton | Can I help with the task of "Identify specific advantages of nginx over apache"? | 14:30 |
| jamespage-not-in | OK - lets move on from mongodb | 14:30 |
| jamespage-not-in | I've requested a OpenSSL license exception from upstream to resolve this cleanly | 14:31 |
| niemeyer | None here :) | 14:31 |
| niemeyer | no disagreements, that was | 14:33 |
| mariusko_ | What about JBoss? | 14:34 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: would you like to pickup the work items for nginx? | 14:34 |
| jamespage-not-in | mariusko_: hmm - massive amout of work to package | 14:34 |
| jdstrand | some parts of jboss is in universe from Debian. aiui, there is a lot that is not there | 14:35 |
| jcastro | utlemming: I don't think so | 14:35 |
| jcastro | oh, I am wrong then. :) | 14:35 |
| jamespage-not-in | they are extremely out of date | 14:35 |
| sbeattie | does nginx have a publicly visibile VCS yet? (supportability issue) | 14:35 |
| jamespage-not-in | utlemming: its not | 14:35 |
| jdstrand | utlemming: ^ | 14:35 |
| jdstrand | arosales: only some parts | 14:35 |
| mdeslaur | sbeattie: yes, it does | 14:35 |
| jamespage-not-in | you can't run jboss from the archive | 14:35 |
| med_ | howdy | 14:35 |
| sbeattie | mdeslaur: ah okay | 14:35 |
| mariusko_ | JBoss version in Ubuntu is outdated (4.2.x) | 14:35 |
| med_ | FPI ended so others are joining | 14:35 |
| jamespage-not-in | some of its components are present - but just to support other java packages | 14:36 |
| jamespage-not-in | the effort to package it fully is not worth the effort | 14:36 |
| jamespage-not-in | its better charmed | 14:36 |
| jdstrand | it has regular security updates from RedHat | 14:36 |
| utlemming | Current release is 7.1 | 14:36 |
| jdstrand | it would be non-trivial to support | 14:36 |
| mdeslaur | yes, it does, I checked | 14:37 |
| jdstrand | I haven't looked | 14:37 |
| jdstrand | utlemming: I was talking about jboss there, not nginx | 14:37 |
| jamespage-not-in | I would completely support jdstrand on this | 14:37 |
| jdstrand | I have opinions on nginx, but they are probably out of date | 14:37 |
| elmo | (<bitter>the lag between IRC and the hangout is awesome</>) | 14:37 |
| mdeslaur | http://trac.nginx.org/nginx/browser | 14:38 |
| utlemming | code: svn://svn.nginx.org/nginx | 14:38 |
| arosales | sbeattie: ^ | 14:38 |
| mariusko | http://wiki.debian.org/JBossPackaging | 14:38 |
| sbeattie | arosales: thanks | 14:38 |
| jamespage-not-in | I looked at jboss 2 years ago and ruled it out as a possibility to have effective packaging | 14:39 |
| med_ | mariusko, look at MIR for jboss? | 14:39 |
| mariusko | MIR? | 14:39 |
| med_ | Main INclusion Request in ubuntu | 14:39 |
| jamespage-not-in | arosales: thats not the right question | 14:39 |
| med_ | he may not be familiar | 14:39 |
| jamespage-not-in | the question is - who wants to package Jboss | 14:40 |
| mariusko | I'm not sure right now. Most users install it manually I think, but for Juju it would be important to have it included. | 14:40 |
| med_ | Not I. | 14:40 |
| * jamespage-not-in stands back | 14:40 | |
| elmo | jboss is java right? AFAIK jamespage packages all the Java stuff for Ubuntu | 14:40 |
| jcastro | :) | 14:40 |
| med_ | mariusko, for Juju, you don't have to have it packaged. | 14:40 |
| mdeslaur | haha | 14:40 |
| jamespage-not-in | elmo: I've already expressed my position on this | 14:40 |
| med_ | that's why he's using a hidden nick today | 14:40 |
| jcastro | from my limited experience with jboss, it's not a simple stack | 14:41 |
| mariusko | Sure, you could have juju script that fetch it from upstream somehow | 14:41 |
| jamespage-not-in | I'm not working on this full time for the next 12 months to get together packages which are not maintainable | 14:41 |
| mariusko | Maybe RedHat would be interested in contributing to getting JBoss in. | 14:41 |
| jcastro | I don't think "packaging jboss" is the issue. To do real jboss support we'd need like 2 more jamespages. | 14:41 |
| med_ | bwahahahaha. | 14:41 |
| dedalus | i missed varnish discussion, but i'd be interested in helping with that | 14:42 |
| jamespage-not-in | this is far more effectively dealt with using Juju and the release tarball from upstream | 14:43 |
| jamespage-not-in | lets talk about varnish | 14:43 |
| jamespage-not-in | is ivoks here? hmm - no | 14:43 |
| dedalus | ah, i guess i didn't miss it :) | 14:43 |
| med_ | jamespage-not-in, the "effectively dealt" is w/r/t jboss, right? | 14:43 |
| jamespage-not-in | med_: yes | 14:43 |
| Daviey | jamespage-not-in: Are you suggesting a pool of upstream carried jar's is hard to work with, in packaging ? | 14:43 |
| jcastro | I know the varnish packager guy | 14:43 |
| jamespage-not-in | Daviey: don't make me cry | 14:44 |
| jamespage-not-in | Daviey: OK so it could be packaged (binary style) for Canonical partner | 14:44 |
| jdstrand | varnish has a security history (3 CVEs) | 14:44 |
| jcastro | Their webpage recommends to not use the distro packages btw: | 14:44 |
| jdstrand | arosales: no, but it has a security history (3 CVEs) | 14:45 |
| jcastro | https://www.varnish-cache.org/installation/ubuntu | 14:45 |
| jdstrand | heh | 14:45 |
| jcastro | so if upstream doesn't like the packages | 14:45 |
| jamespage | makes it much harder | 14:45 |
| utlemming | "Varnish is distributed in the Ubuntu package repositories, but the version there might be out of date, and we generally recommend using the packages provided by varnish-cache.org." | 14:45 |
| dedalus | they say they only support LTEs | 14:45 |
| dedalus | erm, LTSs | 14:46 |
| jamespage | I think if we want to look at this we need to reach out to upstream to discuss | 14:46 |
| jcastro | (Full disclosure): I have a work item to convince them to just do that in the charm. | 14:46 |
| elmo | mithrandir works for the company behind varnish, last I heard | 14:46 |
| jdstrand | arosales: this attitude from upstream gives me some pause. it suggests they don't support older versions, only the newest | 14:46 |
| jcastro | looks like they just want to be able to keep it up to date out of band | 14:46 |
| jcastro | elmo: still does last I checked | 14:46 |
| mariusko_ | Juju charm does install it: http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/varnish/hooks/install | 14:46 |
| jdstrand | arosales: which becomes difficult at the tail end of LTS | 14:46 |
| mariusko_ | The distro version | 14:46 |
| dedalus | also on that page: Please be advised that we only provide packages for Ubuntu's LTS releases, not all the intermediate releases. Note that the packages might still work fine on newer releases. | 14:47 |
| jcastro | utlemming: right, but the idea was to get them to add a feature to the charm to use their version | 14:47 |
| ivoks | i think the problem is that the version we have in quantal was released in 2011 | 14:47 |
| ivoks | they don't have that much new versions | 14:48 |
| jdstrand | I'm less concerned about their packaging. a consideration is how the handle their own releases. that could be fleshed out in the MIR | 14:48 |
| ivoks | s/much/many | 14:48 |
| jcastro | either way, whoever we get to do the packages should probably just start by talking to upstream first to see what their concerns are about distro packages | 14:48 |
| jcastro | aka "How can we ship Varnish that would meet your requirements?" | 14:48 |
| jdstrand | if there isn't a lot of code churn, upstream's attitude on their support becomes less of a concern (which I think ivoks was hinting at) | 14:48 |
| jcastro | which is much better than their download page saying "don't use ubuntu's packages" | 14:49 |
| jdstrand | again, that is something that could be discussed in the MIR process | 14:49 |
| * jcastro nods | 14:49 | |
| jamespage | just as a side note we need to be better at evaluating whether a Minor Release Exception is appropriate for packages we MIR | 14:50 |
| dedalus | note Debian also has varnish | 14:50 |
| dedalus | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/varnish | 14:50 |
| jamespage | this might be appropriate for varnish | 14:50 |
| jamespage | which might help oil things with upstream | 14:50 |
| jcastro | "Varnish is distributed in the Debian package repositories, but the version there might be out of date, and we generally recommend using the packages provided by varnish-cache.org or packages from backports.debian.org." | 14:50 |
| jcastro | heh, same issue | 14:50 |
| jamespage | we should also leverage backports more in Ubuntu as well for this stuff | 14:52 |
| ivoks | jamespage: +1 | 14:52 |
| jcastro | arosales: yep, assign it away! | 14:52 |
| jamespage | I intend to request backports of mongodb for precise | 14:52 |
| jamespage | and quantal | 14:52 |
| med_ | and if they don't "in" the hangout they can't defend themselves. | 14:52 |
| med_ | go for it. | 14:53 |
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| mariusko | Btw, the mongodb package is outdated yes, for quantal and precise | 14:54 |
| Daviey | I question how exciting backports are | 14:54 |
| mariusko | Was just updated in Raring. | 14:54 |
| Daviey | They are as hard to use as a PPA, and have roughly equal distro support | 14:54 |
| * jdstrand has to go | 14:55 | |
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| jamespage | ta | 14:56 |
| arosales | session ended | 14:56 |
| jamespage | ttfn | 14:56 |
| arosales | thanks for everyone's time. | 14:56 |
| ivoks | we will never have 100% happy upstream since, by nature, we are moving slower than they are; if we would like to make everybody happy, we would have to drop LTS and move to always rolling release | 14:57 |
| ivoks | and then no one would use the distro :) | 14:57 |
| arosales | Juju Application Stacks getting kicked off. | 15:00 |
| * marcoceppi raise? | 15:04 | |
| * niemeyer wonders if jcastro moved back to CUba | 15:10 | |
| niemeyer | Yay | 15:10 |
| marcoceppi | \o/ | 15:10 |
| jcastro | niemeyer: wrong flag! I am offended! | 15:11 |
| marcoceppi | deploy all the node apps | 15:15 |
| mariusko__ | hi | 15:17 |
| marco-summit | It's too early for that | 15:19 |
| rbasak | arosales: worth trying I think. Good idea! But note that people following the stream have no hope of seeing anything in there unless you select it. | 15:19 |
| jcastro | elmo: are you in this session? | 15:21 |
| rbasak | Probably more useful when other charms want a memcached relation? | 15:21 |
| marcoceppi | It's a key player, but it's not a large key player | 15:21 |
| elmo | jcastro: I just joined | 15:21 |
| elmo | jcastro: which charm sorry? | 15:21 |
| arosales | rbasak: right, if we focus on the IRC I will give it focus | 15:21 |
| rbasak | arosales: makes sense! | 15:21 |
| elmo | jcastro: checking prodstack now, but I don't believe we're using it yet | 15:21 |
| elmo | jcastro: I think it's part of a lego stack | 15:22 |
| elmo | it doesn't feel like a standalone full 'stack' like e.g. rails would | 15:22 |
| elmo | jcastro: ah, so summit was using it | 15:23 |
| elmo | jcastro: so it's at least functional | 15:23 |
| elmo | and uccs.ubuntu.com (which is not yet live in prodstack, but is deployed) is using it | 15:23 |
| marco-summit | It's definitely functional, been using it myself for quite a bit | 15:23 |
| niemeyer | arosales: The IRC window works.. | 15:23 |
| marco-summit | I don't think any one service has a hard requirement for memcached, a lot use it in a supplementary nature | 15:24 |
| elmo | arosales: so, in theory, if your service can't function without a cache, your service is broken | 15:24 |
| elmo | arosales: or so lifeless tells me | 15:24 |
| marco-summit | elmo: +1 | 15:24 |
| niemeyer | arosales: I think it can be made on demand | 15:25 |
| niemeyer | elmo, marco-summit: Sure, but needing data in a cache != needing a cache service | 15:25 |
| elmo | niemeyer: sure, I was partially being flip | 15:26 |
| niemeyer | I think it's not a high-priority either way | 15:26 |
| elmo | niemeyer: I agree, some services are going to expect memcache to be available, but we've met that bar | 15:26 |
| elmo | jcastro: it's the remote login service that modern unity can use | 15:26 |
| jcastro | ack | 15:27 |
| rbasak | arosales: +1 for IRC idea. I think it might be particularly useful for those watching the recording later, too. | 15:27 |
| marco-summit | rbasak: yeah, I can see that being really helpful. Only downside is there's a bit of lag between what we hear and what they say | 15:27 |
| rbasak | Yeah the lag is annoying but more fundamental to any live interaction with the hangout I think. IRC included. | 15:28 |
| elmo | jcastro: nope | 15:29 |
| elmo | some people use redis as a persistent store | 15:29 |
| elmo | which makes it slightly different case to memcache | 15:29 |
| mattyw | would anyone here be interested in a neo4j charm? | 15:29 |
| elmo | jcastro: yeah, that's my reaction ;-) | 15:29 |
| marco-summit | I've used redis in production, it works along the lines of memcached. Simple to set up | 15:29 |
| jcastro | mattyw: YES! give me a second to finish out this list | 15:29 |
| jcastro | then we can move on to new work! | 15:29 |
| marco-summit | cham works as expected | 15:30 |
| elmo | jcastro: yep | 15:30 |
| mattyw | jcastro, ummm | 15:34 |
| jcastro | mattyw: :) | 15:34 |
| mattyw | arosales, I've only ever played around with it | 15:35 |
| niemeyer | It's a graph database | 15:35 |
| mattyw | arosales, but there's a company behind it, maybe they'd be interested in helping out? | 15:35 |
| niemeyer | Somewhat of a unique one | 15:35 |
| mattyw | niemeyer, have you used it? I wrote a toy application to work my way around the london underground, but that was about it | 15:36 |
| niemeyer | mattyw: No.. I just follow along and watch from the distance | 15:36 |
| jcastro | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685615 | 15:37 |
| udsbotu | Debian bug 685615 in wnpp "RFP: neo4j-community -- Neo4j is a high-performance, NOSQL graph database with all the features of a mature and robust databas" [Wishlist,Open] | 15:37 |
| niemeyer | It's a different class of database than any of the listed ones really | 15:37 |
| niemeyer | It's not about whether it's a webapp or not.. more about what's the use case | 15:37 |
| niemeyer | It's very useful for graph-related problems | 15:39 |
| niemeyer | Network of friends, etc | 15:39 |
| niemeyer | The real question in the context being debated, though, is how many people have we found that have an app using it | 15:39 |
| mattyw | I could give it a go | 15:40 |
| mattyw | I'm no expert though, but I'm happy to take a look | 15:40 |
| mariusko | I have some real life experience with NodeJS charm, and I believe it has issues common with other user app charms, to get user code deployed | 15:42 |
| niemeyer | Huh? | 15:42 |
| mariusko | See https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/node-app/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW | 15:42 |
| niemeyer | jcastro: The *data* is, sure.. | 15:44 |
| jcastro | ack | 15:44 |
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| marco-summit | cheers | 15:45 |
| arosales_ | Session ended | 15:46 |
| arosales_ | Thanks for everyone's time | 15:47 |
| philipballew | Hello world! | 15:49 |
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| arosales | philipballew: hello | 15:56 |
| arosales | Getting started with http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21692/servercloud-1303-juju-docs/ | 15:58 |
| evilnickveitch | arosales, I hope someone is going to invite me to the hangout :) | 15:59 |
| arosales | you should see the hangout URL when you load http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21692/servercloud-1303-juju-docs/ | 16:00 |
| arosales | evilnickveitch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f87b2b24c412bee262b5e31d2c0633f24a1d9831?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:00 |
| jcastro | roll call! \o | 16:03 |
| * marco-summit o/ | 16:03 | |
| melmoth | hi there | 16:03 |
| mattyw | I'm here again | 16:03 |
| * philipballew waves | 16:03 | |
| mreed | waves | 16:04 |
| jcastro | https://stripe.com/docs btw is what I mean | 16:06 |
| jcastro | as an example of awesome docs | 16:07 |
| arosales_ | melmoth, mattyw, mreed , hello :-) | 16:08 |
| arosales_ | marco-summit, hello :-) | 16:08 |
| marcoceppi | markdown. | 16:16 |
| * marcoceppi is not biased | 16:17 | |
| marco-summit | Most of all the javascript, if any, should probably be at the template level anyways | 16:24 |
| marco-summit | So contributors won't have to mess with it | 16:24 |
| marco-summit | jcastro.md | 16:25 |
| marco-summit | Everything should be in LaTeX :P | 16:26 |
| marco-summit | +1 definitely annotate the anatomy of a charm. There really isn't a good place for this | 16:36 |
| marco-summit | out there currently | 16:36 |
| marco-summit | evilnickveitch: I tried my hand at this a while ago: | 16:40 |
| marco-summit | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p--PQprZI8-rGr68M_zW-4rdftaIu6-h6n_UGtfk-Ws/edit | 16:40 |
| marco-summit | As sort of "the docs really suck at being organized" | 16:40 |
| evilnickveitch | marco-summit, thanks ! | 16:40 |
| marco-summit | I'd be interested in helping contribute more up to date documentation when time permits | 16:42 |
| evilnickveitch | marco-summit, okay, thats cool, we should keep in touch | 16:42 |
| mattyw | it would be good to know when the docs get updated | 16:43 |
| mattyw | somehow???? | 16:43 |
| mattyw | cool | 16:43 |
| mattyw | cheers! | 16:43 |
| marco-summit | cheers! | 16:44 |
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| mreed | waves | 17:05 |
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