[00:06] gah, royal mail has been down for ages :( === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:35] aloha [08:23] morgen [08:48] Morning all [09:19] how can i check memory usage of firefox tabs? 2596m 1.5g 19m R 73 38.8 975:04.84 firefox [09:20] about:memory ? [09:20] thats what i'm trying: the page has been trying to load for 10 mins :( [09:21] hmm facebook 800M [09:23] yeah the JS in G+/FB etc make my tabs get huge occasionally [09:23] killing facebook seems to recover the machine :D [09:23] 129mb/55mb atm, which isn't that bad for mine :) [09:23] left it runnign overnight? [09:24] trying to switch back from chrome which is killing my machine [09:24] but it seems that its just browsers/websites in general [09:24] need 8GB instead of 4GB RAM === michelle is now known as michelle_ [09:26] Anyone got a recommendation for a free softphone for android? [09:27] Good morning all! :) [09:27] Goood Morning! [09:27] BigRedS, o/ [09:28] BigRedS, let me see what I used before I got my phone in a mess. [09:28] Lumicall or something. [09:28] haha, I don't want the thing that caused the mess :) [09:28] BigRedS, no, that's OK, I'm not for sale. ;) [09:30] BigRedS, https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/org.lumicall.android [09:30] BigRedS, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.lumicall.android&hl=en [09:31] I have to admit I barely used it. I received a couple of calls on it, that's all, but I had no problems with it. [09:35] haha, that's fine. Hopefully nobody will call me anyway :) [09:35] thanks! [09:44] Anyone in here ever use Cisco Unified Communications Server ? [10:14] whooooop https://plus.google.com/103583604759580854844/posts/HaHsZCNEr3q [10:15] finally Google Play gift cards! [10:16] git branch -a [10:16] Humm, not the shell [10:39] * master [10:39] fix-nasty-bug [10:40] Heh [10:40] Did it? [10:40] no it rm -rf my home directory and then insulted my mother :( [10:45] Trixy devs [10:46] has anyone been finding libcolumbus to be... less than optimal? [10:46] it has some kind of matching problem [10:47] hey everyone [10:47] we just discussed that in the desktop channel [10:47] right right [10:47] spotif -> gedit for me [10:47] same [10:47] I just tried qt creator, and it was on the 4th line [10:48] apparently there is a fix [10:48] oh the plus side, typing frief brings back firefox [10:48] which is the plan, no less? [10:49] Hi [10:50] I have pidgin installed on Ubuntu 11.10. is there a way to integrate it with dash program? [10:50] meaning lets say if i need to IM person A, is there a short cut? [10:51] similar to GnomeDo? [10:56] kaushal: you might look for a "pidgin lens" [10:57] but 11.10 is quite old so that may make it more difficult [10:58] Laney: ok [10:59] Laney: any url to know about pidgin lens [11:02] kaushal: have you had a look in USC? [11:05] * Laney just had two blokes and a dog standing outside his front garden staring at and patting the tree there [11:05] (in the garden) [11:13] Oooh. All those Jabber accounts I couldn't get into empahy yesterday seem to go in okay if I configure them in pidgin then run an unconfigured empathy and tell it to import from pidgin [11:31] BigRedS: i have a jabber account that will never work in empathy [11:31] due to server side bug, apparently. although pidgin always works [11:37] ooh, which server? [11:51] BigRedS: zimbra version old [11:51] i can't upgrade the company zimbra server just to use empathy :P [11:59] urgh, t'other day I believe I can across a command which, if placed before another command, will list the files that command is trying to access [11:59] I could be wrong, but does anyone know what that command might be? [12:02] strace? which is probably overkill [12:02] could be :/ [12:02] it doesn't look right though [12:02] it doesn't matter [12:02] it's a means to and end [12:02] ldd? [12:02] I could just ask the question that's causing the issue, rather than figure it out myself [12:03] Morning all [12:03] strace -e open /path/to/your/command [12:03] no, that didn't work :( [12:03] ldd shows the libraries a binary is linked to [12:03] "doesnt work"? [12:03] strace -e trace=file will list all the files that command is trying to use [12:04] there's not much scope for it not doing that, really [12:04] thanks for the help, but I'm going to AskUbuntu about the underlying problem I'm trying to solve === marxjohn1on is now known as marxjohnson [12:09] http://askubuntu.com/questions/264680/running-usr-lib-nagios-plugins-check-apt-as-nagios-user-does-not-return-the-cor [12:30] Seems a permissions issue for apt on the nagios user SuperMatt ? [12:30] if it works as root ? [12:30] Use Nagios, but never tried check_apt [12:32] Tried running apt from the nagios user locally on the server that doesn't work ? [13:02] diplo: well, that's the thing. the nagios user shouldn't have access to run apt(-get) otherwise dangerous things happen. I think it's checking something else [13:47] anyone tried to sync tomboy notes since feb 28th? [13:47] i'm scared [13:48] wasn't that being deprecated [13:49] mungbean: backup, sync [13:49] see what happens [13:49] is there any way I can fake a package needing an upgrade? [13:50] sudo apt-get --lookintotheeyes --notaroundtheeyes abracadabra [13:50] ¬.¬ [13:50] I see what you did there [13:51] I see that you saw what I did there [13:51] I sell sea shells on the sea shore [13:51] is the package that's installed out of date? [13:51] or are you just trying something funky? [13:52] there's a test mode [13:52] apt-get install -s cowsay [13:52] s = simulate [13:52] hmmm, but that doesn't put it in a perpetual state of "this package needs an upgrade" [13:53] oh, thats easy then [13:53] find a package which has been updated via -updates [13:53] and then downgrade it [13:53] apt-get install packagename=versionnumber [13:53] wicked [13:53] apt-cache policy packagename [13:53] that will help [13:53] now to pick a random, harmless package that has been updated since 12.04 [13:54] kernel? [13:54] thats also easy [13:54] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2013-March/thread.html [13:54] pick one [14:09] popey: I'm getting version was not foud when trying apt-get install mountall=2.36.2 [14:10] !info mountall [14:10] mountall (source: mountall): filesystem mounting tool. In component main, is required. Version 2.42ubuntu0.4 (quantal), package size 63 kB, installed size 234 kB [14:11] same again with another package [14:26] got it! thanks popey [14:26] I didn't realise the package needed to be not installed first [14:28] no [14:28] you can downgrade [14:29] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21677119 [14:30] hurm, well downgrading didn't want to work [14:30] so I installed an app I knew had been updated that I didn't have, and that seemed to work [14:31] directhex: which OS will it run? or miht it run various OS depending on spec? [14:37] it ships with linux mungbean [14:38] did they confirm for all models? sweet [14:38] if it's from valve it'll be linux [14:38] thats gotta mean a sizeable back catalogue will get ported soon [14:39] they gonna be busy bunnies [14:39] busy not working on hl3! [14:40] still haven't finished hl2 [14:40] stopped when i stopped using windows [14:40] and got married [14:40] one of the 2 [15:00] Ayone noticed the value of Bitcoins has gone through the roof recently ?? [15:01] **Anyone .. ?? [15:02] http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxGBP#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zv [15:02] As in upwards? odd [15:03] yeah [15:03] BigRedS: Lokking at the charts .. It's almost expontial .. [15:04] redtape-renegade: Azelphur must have noticed :) [15:04] MartijnVdS: Is he a trader ? [15:06] £2 to £32 in 18 months .. that's 1600.% .. even the worst doubt of trading can't fail to notice that ! [15:06] **doubter [15:07] . In fact I don't know of better Ret. on Invest. for 2012/13 in last 18 months , do you ? [15:10] Blimey. I thought everyone had, in the main, got bored of bitcoin by now [15:10] BigRedS: Really ? [15:11] yeah, just not heard anything about it for ages [15:13] Admitedly, for a short term trader the returns are closer to 200% month on month, but after you put about 20million in GBP on for an 18 month straight investment.. there's a billion pounds return to consider .. [15:14] * redtape-renegade wonders if he can trade in his Tesco vouchers for a bitcoin or two :D ?? [15:17] oh, Actually you'd need £63 million :( to make a billion (so far).. [15:18] Bitcoin should have ask me last week when I was flush :) === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [15:37] BigRedS: Your probably right, Only 1 bloke does it in IOM ::: https://localbitcoins.com/ [15:39] oho [15:39] rms is giving a(nother) talk in nottingham next monday [15:39] * Laney ponders whether to go [15:40] RMS should dop an interview with Alan Parson's , then. [15:40] Laney, do you have any odd jobs around the house to do? spot of plastering, maybe some hoovering? [15:40] washing your hair? [15:40] painting, then watching it dry? [15:41] pots, almost boiling ones, waiting for them to become so [15:41] I'd mail yourself a to-do list right away .. it'll take a month to get through ! [15:42] Laney, sounds much more fulfilling than watching a beardy old man give a talk he wrote in the 1980s [15:43] .. he doesn't even know what we call Gnu-ware on #freegamer anyway !! [15:43] I spotted him at FOSDEM [15:44] yes, I hurd that. [15:44] .. any picts.. or wasted oppourtunity ? [15:44] I don't generally take pictures of people I walk past in corridors [15:45] he was at fosdem? glad i skipped it this year [15:45] I didn't notice him there [15:45] he was in Dublin a day later .. [15:45] but it is always full of those free software hippies [15:46] .. I think they had a dinner by G+ invite at the muktware-guy's house together. [15:46] or so I hurd :) [15:47] ahh Swapnil.. [15:48] muktware is... not a world of quality free software journalism [15:48] I have had multiple run-ins with him recently [15:49] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109027644713767623413/posts/Z9hMvxLKDea being the most recent [15:50] Well, it's not as if Canonical's particularly concerned about that sort of PR [15:51] tl;dr [15:52] MartijnVdS: I have indeed noticed, action is being taken :P [15:53] haha [15:54] opening.. [15:59] popey. looks like he got the last word in, anyway .. Semantic ethics about registered IOM companies bore the hell out of me. ::: Quite simply, I've done that. [16:19] * redtape-renegade desperately wants these to run ΰbuntu TV:: [16:19] http://svn.xtreamer.net/marketing/display.php?M=67415&C=330819bd0ae0fc2919b73b65f51be1ff&S=26&L=2&N=33 [16:26] openstack /o\ [16:32] aww yea, new laptop fits in my pocket \o/ [16:32] How big is your new pocket? [16:32] that's an i7 2.3ghz with GT 650M, in my coat pocket lol [16:32] BigRedS: still tiny [16:33] is this a nuc or something? [16:33] no idea what a nuc is :) [16:33] Anyone's yahoo.co.uk Email just gone nutz ?? .. I've just had 50 'failure to post' messages in the last 5 mins.. [16:33] 11.6", apparently worlds most powerful of that form factor [16:33] It's Intel's new diddy computer. A bit bigger than a Raspberry Pi. [16:33] actually, a lot bigger [16:33] but still really small [16:34] about half the size of a HDD in an enclosure [16:35] .. was it something I received ?? [16:35] time for optimus fun I suppose [16:38] also, this mir thing seems to fill me with wtf [16:40] tried running it? [16:40] nope [16:40] it annoys me greatly that canonical don't work on wayland [16:41] and it seems almost naive of them to think that they can catch up with wayland [16:42] they can catch up because they have a specific target [16:42] it's always easier to "just make it work" [16:42] from what I've seen so far, they seem to have already managed to make up a lot of distance [16:42] the cyanogenmod stuff is a great example of that [16:42] puts them far ahead of maemo, meego, mer [16:42] ali1234: not really, CyanogenMod is a modified build of Android [16:42] and it only took what, 6 months? [16:42] Canonical are talking about rewriting the whole thing, right? [16:42] not really [16:43] wayland needs all new drivers [16:43] that's part of the problem [16:43] mir can use android drivers [16:43] I thought Cyanogen was way closer to Android than Ubuntu's aiming for [16:43] I see [16:43] Canonical: plz add displayport drivers.. pleeeease. [16:43] it's different development models [16:44] I've not really been following it, though. I'm still a bit overwhelmed at how tall Canonical is heaping its plate [16:44] wayland is rather open ended, designed to be all things [16:44] mir is designed to just run unity plus legacy [16:45] wayland can use android drivers. [16:46] and mesa [16:46] mir is no further ahead than wayland on this [16:50] however, mir hasn't joined up with yutani to try and steal the xenomorphs from LV-426 ... [16:51] * neuro is pretty ambivalent about the whole mir/wayland thing at any rate [16:52] if there's a possibility of mir offering a better chance for something nicer than unity to be rolled in at a later date, i'm all for it [16:52] (nicer = IMHO, of course) [16:53] there are no technical reasons for mir over wayland. there are, however, political reasons for mir. [16:53] Most of my reservation is that it's really looking like Canonical decides to rewrite something, gets the fun and exciting bits out of the way and then gets bored and decides to rewrite something else [16:53] BigRedS, in fairness, lennart poettering does that too [16:53] which is great and all, but I'd really prefer it if the paid devs were forced into solving problems that the free ones don't want to :) [16:54] directhex: that, basically, is how free software in general works [16:54] which is why it's annoying that this is a *company* doing it [16:54] I mean, it's also entirely understandable, because it's a company that's composed largely of free software developers [17:55] hello [17:55] anyone from Uk [17:55] ? [18:00] plenty. [18:01] Mostly? [18:01] not all though [18:01] Enough [18:01] sufficient? [18:05] some [18:05] apparently insufficient [18:06] Perhaps that was a Ukranian [18:06] I haven't seen one in here a while [18:06] BigRedS: let see canonical produce upstart everyone hails it a success then Red Hat say hmmm maybe not and creat systemd. Redhat however don't get the crap that canonical get for doing the same thing go figure === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:13] anyone from UK ? [18:13] jennie: yes [18:14] davmor2: Lennart gets all the crap for those things (Pulse, Systemd, ...) [18:14] a few [18:14] davmor2: not "big evil Red Hat" [18:14] he's made some very valuable contributions to the linux desktop, that's for sure [18:14] pulse works great these days [18:14] yup [18:14] davmor2: red hat got a huge amount of criticism for systemd, everyone hates it, especially gentoo who have forked udev because of it [18:15] davmor2: and upstart was not hailed a success, no other distro than ubuntu uses it [18:15] it was presented in an entirely different way [18:16] ali1234: there were a whole bunch using it including RedHat [18:16] AIUI Lennart contributed to Upstart in the early days [18:16] jennie: this is Ubuntu UK, it's for people from the UK [18:16] and offered to do some new features, then disappeared for 6 months and systemd appeared [18:18] then it all got acrimonious between him and scott.. the rest is history [18:18] queue the 'Neighbours' theme tune [18:18] I was thinking Eastenders [18:18] *cue [18:18] cue queue [18:18] thats the second time today I've seen someone use queue instead of cue [18:19] glad I could amuse :) [18:19] I'm going to blame it on 40 hours of uptime, and 5 years 'over there' [18:19] * AlanBell observes a lack of redhat press release about systemd [18:19] is systemd even in red hat yet or just fedora? [18:20] http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html appears to be as much of an announcement that there was [18:20] they should just port launchd to linux. it's pretty awesome having all your config files in something that's close enough to xml to make you hate it, but not close enough that an xml parser comes in handy [18:20] ಠ_ಠ [18:20] shauno: Time to reset your uptime ;) [18:20] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [18:21] systemd was basically lennart replicating launchd [18:21] as avahi was bonjour [18:21] i do like the feature where it runs services on demand [18:21] and pulse was core audio [18:21] and avahi is really good [18:21] yeah, systemd has some nice features [18:21] ali1234: upstart was supposed to be able to do that [18:21] * MartijnVdS remembers Scott talking about that [18:21] i've never heard anyone say a bad thing about avahi, and it just works [18:22] systemd will be in RHEL next won't it? [18:22] they've moved from upstart to systemd [18:22] ali1234: The Last RedHat was upstart I think the very latest might now be on systemd [18:22] mir might be really good still [18:23] well, as always... show me it working [18:23] but I don't really know if there is an intention for it to be more generic than supporting unity [18:23] I have it working [18:24] for small values of working [18:24] do you have it working with a full desktop environment, to the point where it is equivalent to X11? [18:24] no, because nobody outside of Canonical does yet [18:24] it does a scrolly picture of the Mir space station in a green box [18:24] and there is a flippy scrolly pictures of mir demo [18:24] so it's about where wayland was two years ago then [18:25] 6 months ago I think they said [18:25] however it can do more already [18:25] but I think there is a bunch of stuff still to be chucked over the wall [18:26] there is? [18:26] xmir ? [18:26] does anyone remember my 12 predictions for2013? [18:26] a buildable qmir? [18:26] when was the last time they didn't have something waiting to be 'chucked over the wall' ? [18:27] "tada source" [18:27] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qmir/trunk/files [18:28] anyone want to guess what to do with that? [18:28] my guess is it's qt backend for mir? [18:28] yeah [18:29] so do I compile the cpp files individually? where do I put the object files? [18:29] so you stick it into the qt5 tree and rebuild [18:29] they call it a QPA - Qt Platform Abstraction [18:29] not sure if this actually is one [18:30] AlanBell: i just asked.. "goal is the end of the week" [18:30] http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Platform-Abstraction [18:30] looks like it definitely is that [18:30] so download the qt tarball and find a home for this and build the tree [18:30] how to use it though - no idea [18:31] pretty much yes [18:31] or get the deb source and rebuild the package [18:31] popey: cool, thanks [18:33] everything will go in the public ppa, buildable and available there [18:33] taking longer than expected to get it all together [18:33] what puzzles me [18:34] is why keep it secret for a period of time, and then release it when it is barely functional? [18:34] why not either have it open from the start, or do a big release when it is done? [18:35] well it was started back before we announced phone and tablet [18:35] so just for the sake of having omething interesting to say at MWC? [18:35] people could probably figure out details from the source, and spoil the "big reveal" [18:36] yeah but the thing is the big reveal was basiclly "we're making a phone, it will be done in two years" [18:36] yeah, no [18:36] it will be done way sooner than that [18:36] but hey ho [18:36] yeah right [18:36] meh [18:36] i admire you're optimism [18:36] *your [18:37] (your. since you pointed out the cue thing. fair's fair) [18:37] d'oh [18:44] LUG TIME! \o/ [18:48] GLUG! === RadiumCat is now known as RadiumCat[afk] === RadiumCat[afk] is now known as RadiumCat [20:09] Is there an Ubuntu TV meeting at the UDS ?? [20:12] no [20:15] popey, It's all over, right ? [20:35] QU. Is The UDS over ?? [20:39] yes [20:39] UDS is over, yes [20:40] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/914b5784e52c5967784eae44e4b138a346b1ff90?authuser=0 \o/ === airurando1 is now known as airuraando === airuraando is now known as airurando [21:02] google hangouts wants to use my wintv card and will not use my webcam :( [21:03] oh well whatever. i'm mr interference [21:18] Laney: ☹ no webcam [21:26] popey, did the hangout end ? [21:27] i was in a meeting today, and some contractor referred to spacewalk as skywalker. as in "deploy your linux VMs with skywalker" [21:27] no [21:27] \o/ [21:27] i honestly didn't expect ali1234 to have that much hair [21:27] lol [21:28] you also smile more than i expected [21:28] i do need a trim [21:28] i expected some level of angry [21:29] i do have pretty much the same reputation IRL [21:29] what was the hangout in aid of? [21:30] just hanging out [21:31] usually after UDS sessions we go to the bar and chat [21:34] popey .. do you see a Lenny in the hangout .. 'cos I get zip. === RadiumCat is now known as RadiumCat[zzZ] [21:35] yes, arriving, leaving, arriving, leaving [21:35] dont get it ? [21:35] what should i do .. never used hangout on this netbook ? [21:44] popey, did you get that ? [21:53] no, it's not working [21:55] popey.. I'll try another distro, hangon .. back in 5 mins ..