[05:33] <Kilos> good morning superfly et al
[05:41] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[05:54] <Squirm> morning
[05:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:56] <Kilos> oo i got konversation looking just like xchat
[05:56] <Squirm> lol
[06:14] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[06:27] <Kilos> hi henkj
[06:28] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[06:31] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:40] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> yo Vince-0
[06:43] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:12] <inetpro> good morning Kilos, Squirm, henkj, maiatoday, Vince-0 and all others
[07:13] <Kilos> mmorning inetpro
[07:13] <Kilos> hmm... stuttering today
[07:14] <Kilos> inetpro: konversation is actually very nice. just more involved to setup
[07:14] <Kilos> looks just like xchat now
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: what is there to setup?
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:15] <Kilos> well notifactions bloep and when to notify and lots more
[07:15] <Kilos> and to show what you wanna see and where to see it
[07:16]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: one thing I really enjoyed a lot in Konversation is the ability to insert a marker line
[07:22] <inetpro> from the insert menu
[07:22] <inetpro> or just Ctrl+R
[07:22] <Kilos> oh yes thats same as xchat
[07:23] <Kilos> when you on another window xchat marks it
[07:23] <inetpro> so does quassel, but with konversation you can set an additional marker line
[07:23] <Kilos> hey that ctrl+r is great too for when you gotta go do something and dont wanna scroll back forever
[07:24] <inetpro> exactly
[07:24] <Kilos> yip you are right konversation rocks too also as well
[07:28] <Kilos> now all i need to know are the shortcut keys to open konsole/terminal thing
[07:28] <Kilos> like ctrl+alt+t in gnome
[07:29] <Kilos> i installed kde on my drive that crashed the other day
[07:29] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[07:29] <Kilos> lol you like the pro. morning at lunch time
[07:30] <Kilos> also start work when others go home
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> my office hours are 09.30 'til 18.00, but i work whenever there's a need for work to be done ;)
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> thankfully things generally run smoothly enough that its a rare occasion
[07:31] <Kilos> good man
[07:31] <inetpro> work, what is that?
[07:31] <Kilos> lol see
[07:31] <Kilos> what a twit
[07:32] <inetpro> it's all just fun and games
[07:32] <Kilos> he forgets 2 weeks back when his hardware crashed at work
[07:32] <inetpro> work is more fun than fun
[07:32] <Kilos> ill remind you of that when you complain again
[07:33] <inetpro> me complain? never!
[07:33] <Kilos> hey ThatGraemeGuywhere is that buddy of yours
[07:33] <Kilos> ja ja
[07:34] <Kilos> the server man
[07:34] <inetpro> uh?
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea
[07:35] <Kilos> jabroer he seems to be
[07:36] <Kilos> or all servers crashed
[07:39] <Kilos> i think peeps with slower pcs can try kubuntu-low-fat-settings , maybe it will go faster then
[07:41] <magespawn>  good morning y'all
[07:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:49] <Kilos> oh magespawn i think it was you that said apt-get has supercow stuff other day when someone said something about aptitude
[07:49] <Kilos> the supercow dont remove orphan packages but aptitude does
[07:50] <Kilos> guess who has been reading the book
[07:52] <Kilos> and methinks aptitude resolves conflicts well
[07:53] <Kilos> i must ask that young girl if she uses aptitude
[07:58] <magespawn> no not me Kilos but nice to know
[07:59] <Kilos> pity they dont have the ubuntu book as a free download somewhere
[07:59] <Kilos> lots of very useful info in there
[08:01] <magespawn> i think there is a version somewhere
[08:01] <Kilos> http://ostatic.com/blog/solid-ubuntu-book-available-as-a-free-download
[08:02] <Kilos> great book but takes forever to read everything
[08:04] <magespawn> bbl
[09:45] <superfly> afternoon folks
[10:02] <magespawn> hey hey wakey wakey
[10:21] <Symmetria> gawd damn this is a beautiful product
[10:21] <Symmetria> playing on an arbor system
[10:28] <theblazehen> Symmetria, what is an arbor system?
[10:47] <Symmetria> theblazehen
[10:47] <Symmetria> sorry was afk
[10:47] <Symmetria> arbor is a netflow platform
[11:22] <magespawn> amazing i have just found out that to use a yahoo.com address with a email client you have to pay about $20 a year
[11:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoa, is it suddenly 1997? :-/
[11:32] <magespawn> you mean the cost, or that someone still wants a yahoo address?
[11:49] <superfly> magespawn: that someone still wants a yahoo.com address
[11:49] <superfly> like, "please fax this to us"
[11:50] <superfly> Um, hi, 1995 called, they want their fax machine back.
[11:50] <tonberry352_> customs...
[11:50] <superfly> tonberry352_: almost any government department
[11:51] <magespawn> hey a fairly big part of the income in my shop is from sending faxs
[11:51] <tonberry352_> wonder how many millions it will cost to covert to email...
[11:52] <Symmetria> heh for anyone who has network clue, and actually understands what they are looking at: http://www.alstonnetworks.net/presentations/as-path-report.pdf
[11:52] <magespawn> people seem to thin that a scanned and emailed doc is not as secure as a fax
[11:52] <Symmetria> thats about the most hardcore thing I have seen in a LONG time
[11:52] <magespawn> i'll have a look anyway, then come and ask for an explination
[12:00] <magespawn> Symmetria: okay looks like somebody had a lot more traffic coming in than going out
[12:02] <Symmetria> magespawn thats normal, but ummm
[12:02] <Symmetria> the point is I can track traffic now
[12:02] <Symmetria> via a network path company to company
[12:02] <magespawn> across the internet
[12:03] <magespawn> ?
[12:05] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[12:05] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[12:06] <Symmetria> magespawn yeah
[12:07] <magespawn> that is pretty neat
[12:09] <Vince-0> what's going on in that as-path-report? Quite a bit of bandwidth 
[12:10] <Symmetria> vince, its a look at traffic coming in via a specific path
[12:29] <Symmetria> heh its been many years since I saw a piece of network tech
[12:29] <Symmetria> that made me go "holy shit thats cool"
[12:42] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/presentations/location-report.pdf
[12:42] <Symmetria> check that shit out!
[13:16] <Kilos> ai!
[13:26] <jrgns> cheers all, enjoy the evening
[13:26] <Kilos> so lekker when apt-get tells you "need to get 0B/300mB
[13:27] <Kilos> inetpro: where are you?
[13:27] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me
[13:29] <Symmetria> holy crap, UJ does 600meg of youtube
[13:29] <Symmetria> thats a lot of videos of cute cats
[13:29] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:20] <inetpro> Yikes!
[14:20]  * inetpro wonders what caused the latest power failure in Pretoria
[14:21] <inetpro> been down for more than an hour now
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe they need your power to give to Zim for a few hours :P
[15:33] <inetpro> now who has the connections so we can find out what caused the power failure in the City of Tshwane?
[15:33] <inetpro> and when it will be restored
[15:33] <inetpro> ai!
[15:35] <Kilos> still off inetpro ?
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[15:35] <Kilos> ai!
[15:40] <magespawn> hectic
[15:48] <Kilos> wassup magespawn
[15:48] <Kilos> hi griffin_
[15:48] <griffin_> Hi Kilos. Will be right back, just need to change connections\
[15:50] <Kilos> i  think i have found the prob with 12.04 booting to blank screen or not booting to gui. remembered this avy after last install crashed again that 12.10 does the same thing on rebooting
[15:50] <Kilos> took graphics card outa ians pc and tried 12.10 and it worked then installed 12.04 kde here again and all good so far
[15:56] <griffin_> Steam and nvidia 304 drivers working
[15:56] <magespawn> good stuff
[15:56] <Kilos> nice write down what you did so you can help others
[15:57] <griffin_> Aaa mmm eee ooo.... documentation you say\
[15:57] <Kilos> yip so you dont forget when someone else asks what now
[15:58] <griffin_> Will do so
[16:01] <inetpro> damn!
[16:02] <inetpro> how nice to know that nobody has yet reported any power failure in Pretoria
[16:03] <Kilos> wow
[16:03] <Kilos> did you fone?
[16:03] <Kilos> there is a number one fones and they try please explain
[16:03] <Kilos> sometimes they ask for the pole number
[16:04]  * inetpro just called the City of Tshwane power failure department 
[16:05] <Kilos> ah
[16:10] <magespawn> later all
[16:25] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[16:28] <Kilos> wbb
[16:46] <Squirm> Symmetria: banshee is weird
[16:50] <Kilos-> ai!
[17:02] <Squirm> lo
[17:05] <Symmetria> Squirm haha
[17:05] <Symmetria> its very wierd
[17:05] <Symmetria> its full of gratitious violence and explicit sex though
[17:05] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:08] <smile4ever> hi Kilos- :)
[17:09] <smile4ever> I don't think Mir will be better than Wayland
[17:09] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:13] <Kilos-> tumbleweed: can i bug you? how come i keep getting quantal xserver packages here on precise?
[17:14] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: you must have added a quantal source to your apt
[17:14] <Kilos-> xserver-xorg-quantal lts and others
[17:14] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: pastebin apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-quantal
[17:14] <tumbleweed> oh sorry
[17:14] <tumbleweed> those are the quantal-backported-HWE stack
[17:15] <tumbleweed> basically, quantal's kernel and X were backported to precise
[17:15] <tumbleweed> so that hardware that wasn't supported by precise when it released can run precise
[17:16] <Kilos-> oh my. every time i upgrade i can boot back in to gui
[17:16] <Kilos-> had to install xorg now to get here and aoptitude keeps wanting to remove the quantal stuff
[17:34] <Symmetria> heh I wanna understand what the hell people watch on youtube all day that it generates the kinda traffic it does
[17:35] <Symmetria> I mean, 600meg of youtube to a university... wtf ;p
[18:48] <Squirm> Symmetria: the series has that indeed
[18:48] <Squirm> episode 2, with the Armish daughter :D
[18:51] <magespawn> TV seems to be doing that a lot lately, how does it rate against Spartacus?
[18:52] <Squirm> magespawn: haven't watched Spartacus
[18:54] <magespawn> ah well i have not seen banshee
[18:56] <magespawn> superfly: have you seen this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hipipal.qpyplus&hl=en
[18:56] <magespawn> so looks like we are out of referemce points then
[18:56] <magespawn> reference too
[18:57] <magespawn> Kilos-: did you get the lonk i left for you?
[18:57] <magespawn> s/lonk/link
[18:58] <Kilos-> yes ty magespawn
[18:58] <Kilos-> i have the hard copy
[18:58] <magespawn> keen
[18:58] <magespawn> useful for other  new peeps
[18:59] <Kilos-> yeah its just to remember what all is in it, or even where to look for it again
[18:59] <Kilos-> biiig bok
[18:59] <Kilos-> book
[19:01] <Kilos-> see it isnt me installing for the fun of it its crooked packages in the repo
[19:01] <magespawn> right
[19:01] <magespawn> if we can remember the link then people can get their own
[19:02] <Kilos-> the link for the book
[19:02] <Kilos-> ??
[19:02] <Kilos-> thats easy
[19:04] <Kilos-> ocan you give it to me again tomorrow please magespawn. i cant find it here
[19:04] <Kilos-> lo Trix[a]r_za
[19:05] <Kilos-> will save it with maaz
[19:06] <magespawn> http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[19:07] <magespawn> what is th command to save things with Maaz?
[19:07] <tumbleweed> Maaz: help factoids
[19:07] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Factoids are arbitrary pieces of information stored by a key. Factoids beginning with a command such as "<action>" or "<reply>" will supress the "name verb value" output. Search and replace functions won't use real regexs unless appended with the 'r' flag.
[19:07] <Maaz> You can use it like this:
[19:07] <Maaz>   search [for] [<limit>] [(facts|values) [containing]] (<pattern>|/<pattern>/[r]) [from <start>]
[19:07] <Maaz>   literal <name> [( #<from number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[19:07] <Maaz>   forget <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[19:07] <Maaz>   <name> is the same as <other name>
[19:07] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] += <suffix>
[19:07] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] ~= ( s/<regex>/<replacement>/[g][i][r] | y/<source>/<dest>/ )
[19:07] <Maaz>   <factoid> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[19:07] <Maaz>   <name> (<verb>|=<verb>=) [also] <value>
[19:07] <Maaz>   last set factoid
[19:07] <tumbleweed> hrm, it's not obvious there
[19:07] <tumbleweed> but foo is bar
[19:08] <magespawn> sorry?
[19:09] <tumbleweed> Maaz: people are crazy
[19:09] <Maaz> tumbleweed: One learns a new thing every day
[19:09] <tumbleweed> Maaz: people
[19:09] <Maaz> tumbleweed: people are crazy
[19:09] <tumbleweed> Maaz: forget people
[19:09] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Sure
[19:10] <magespawn> so then 
[19:10] <magespawn> Maaz Ubuntu Manuals are http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[19:10] <Maaz> magespawn: If you say so
[19:10] <magespawn> Maaz Ubuntu Manuals
[19:10] <Maaz> magespawn: Ubuntu Manuals are http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads
[19:11] <smile4ever> Uitsaaines Live :) - www.uitsaaines.co.za
[19:11] <magespawn> cool ty tumbleweed 
[19:13] <Kilos-> magespawn:  you sure thats the same book?
[19:14] <Kilos-> magespawn:  its maaz bla bla bla is <reply> link
[19:15] <magespawn> no it is a link to site that allows a download of a basic manual for various ubuntu manuals
[19:15] <Kilos-> ah
[19:16] <Kilos-> where did you see that way of telling maaz to save the link
[19:16] <magespawn> Getting started with Ubuntu 12.10 for eg, all the latest ones are there
[19:17] <magespawn> from tumbleweed 
[19:17] <Kilos-> i think i will go 12.10 next month
[19:17] <Kilos-> this sukkeling is making me madder than i was born
[19:18] <Kilos-> oh its "are"
[19:18] <tumbleweed> any verb, really
[19:18] <Kilos-> whew and i go the is <reply> route all the time
 makes him not say "Ubuntu Manuals are"
[19:20] <Kilos-> aha
[19:20] <Kilos-> ty tumbleweed
[19:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: example is <reply>Hello there!
[19:20] <Maaz> tumbleweed: I'll remember that
[19:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: example
[19:20] <Maaz> Hello there!
[19:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: no, example is <reply>Hello there, $who!
[19:20] <Maaz> tumbleweed: I'll remember that
[19:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: example
[19:20] <Maaz> Hello there, tumbleweed!
[19:20] <tumbleweed> Maaz: forget example
[19:20] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Done
[19:33] <smile4ever> doei! :D
[19:34] <Kilos-> so tumbleweed do i have to lock my kernel and xthings so they dont upgrade to the quantal stuff and crash again?
[19:35] <Kilos-> or can i remove the quantal stuff somehow
[19:36] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: you wouldn't automatically use the quantal stack
[19:37] <tumbleweed> you are only getting it because you installed from a 12.04.2 CD
[19:37] <tumbleweed> how does it break things?
[19:37] <Kilos-> i cant boot into gui
[19:37] <Kilos-> when it upgrades
[19:38] <Kilos-> i get update popups when there are and then it messes up after upgrading
[19:39] <tumbleweed> what started this?
[19:39] <tumbleweed> I thought you installed from CD recently?
[19:39] <Kilos-> went recovery mode then from cli installed xorg to get going again
[19:39] <Kilos-> yes today i installed
[19:39] <tumbleweed> oh, so you have the quantal kernel with the precise X?
[19:39] <tumbleweed> (that shtould work)
[19:40] <Kilos-> just when everything is working lekker then its update time and crash
[19:40]  * Kilos- cries
[19:41] <Kilos-> at least kde is seeing my modem now
[19:42] <magespawn> could you not lock the x packages and upgrade everything else?
[19:42] <tumbleweed> no, generally you shouldn't hold any packages
[19:42] <Kilos-> the only way i know how to lock is using synaptic
[19:42] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: either go with the quantal packages for everything, or don't
[19:43] <Kilos-> i didnt choose anything i let it choose what it wants
[19:43] <tumbleweed> but it was fine from the CD?
[19:43] <tumbleweed> it broke later?
[19:43] <Kilos-> yes later
[19:44] <Kilos-> first few times was when running apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:44] <tumbleweed> can you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[19:44] <Kilos-> now the update manager says some packages werent marked do you wanna mark them
[19:45] <Kilos-> ok sec
[19:47] <Kilos-> ai! how do i get to see /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:47] <Kilos-> nano or kate?
[19:47] <Kilos-> or cat or tail?
[19:48] <Kilos-> im lost\
[19:48] <Squirm> ah
[19:48] <Squirm> I laugh at kids on irc
[19:48] <Squirm> kids being those spammer people who think they're wronged when they're not(it's just them)
[19:48] <Squirm> Watch them spamming insults
[19:48] <Kilos-> laugh later Squirm tell me how to see /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:48] <Squirm> then being shutdown everytime from there on
[19:48] <Kilos-> please
[19:48] <Squirm> cat
[19:49] <Kilos-> ty
[19:49] <Squirm> cat is to just view
[19:49] <Squirm> or
[19:49] <Squirm> less is quite nice, you can scroll up/down
[19:49] <Squirm> less /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:50] <Squirm> in linux, 'less' is more and 'more' is less
[19:50] <Squirm> :)
[19:50] <Squirm> less has more features than more
[19:50] <Squirm> I love it
[19:50] <Squirm> I'm in such a good mood now
[19:51] <magespawn> or open with text editor
[19:51] <magespawn> Squirm: becuase of those spammy kids?
[19:51] <Squirm> among other things
[19:52] <Kilos-> whew its massive tumbleweed
[19:52] <Kilos-> http://slexy.org/view/s2Zv95EBEa
[19:52] <Squirm> last time I went on a proper date was a while back
[19:52] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: so, when did it brak?
[19:53] <Kilos-> this avy again
[19:53] <Kilos-> just before i came back online again
[19:54] <Kilos-> i treied to install nvidia-173-updates and it crashed
[19:54] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: line 53 seems to be the thing that replaced your old stack with the new one
[19:54] <tumbleweed> not sure what you did to amke it do that, though
[19:55] <magespawn> well either way its cool
[19:56] <Kilos-> oh there it said there are three updates not done yet
[19:56] <Kilos-> the linux image and so on
[19:56] <Kilos-> then it crashed as well
[19:56] <Kilos-> ai!
[19:57] <Squirm> Kilos-: and I haven't had a days issue with Mint ;)
[20:03] <Kilos-> ai!
[20:03] <Kilos-> now my boot screen is all black and white stripes
[20:04] <Kilos-> dunno what happened there. nm just disappeared too
[20:04] <Squirm> eish
[20:04] <Kilos-> but came back after rebooting
[20:04] <Kilos-> but something very wrong with graphics here
[20:05] <Kilos-> maybe i must force fsck but dunno if thats gonna help even
[20:07] <Kilos-> tumbleweed:  there it said there are three updates not done yet
[20:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: which are?
[20:08] <Kilos-> and it showed linux headers and 2 other linux packages
[20:08] <Kilos-> then i couldnt boot after that
[20:09] <Kilos-> linux headers and linux generic and one other i cant remember but also linux
[20:17] <griffin_>  /exit
[20:20] <Kilos-> i go try see if fsck fixes the prob otherwise ill install again
[20:20] <Kilos-> night all sleep tight
[20:20] <superfly> Maaz: tell nlsthzn http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2076672
[20:20] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell nlsthzn on freenode
[20:24] <zeref_debian> hmmmm
[20:24] <zeref_debian> http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/Linux-needs-a-second-look-review-20121025
[20:49] <magespawn> superfly: did you the link i sent you earlier?
[20:56] <superfly> magespawn: no, I see it now
[20:57] <superfly> magespawn: nice! installing!
[20:58] <magespawn> i have not had an in depth look yet
[21:00] <Symmetria> http://www.fin24.com/Economy/The-real-cost-of-SAs-priciest-website-20130306
[21:00] <Symmetria> hahahahahahahaha
[21:00] <Symmetria> oh man Im so opening a BBEEE web firm
[21:00] <Symmetria> ;p
[21:06] <magespawn> Symmetria: the design companies site http://www.cherryonline.co/
[21:07] <magespawn> nice to pocket
[21:08] <magespawn> good night all
[21:10] <Kilos-> night magespawn