[00:20] <whoo> yes
[00:21] <whoo> len_1304: I have the tascam
[00:25] <whoo> the Shure mic has 1/4" plug. It came with the Tascam I bought off this band of young musicians. I thing they used it direct into the Tascam, as I did.
[00:25] <whoo> The mic that is. The Tascam has 1/4" in
[00:26] <whoo> The plug is on a detachable cord with that funky fitting at the mic end
[00:31] <whoo> Is it ok to plug an acoustic guitar into the 'mic amp' ? Or would the guitar need a seperate interface ?
[00:34] <holstein> whoo: "ok" is a matter of opinion
[00:34] <holstein> whoo: what would a studio do?
[00:34] <holstein> not use 1/4" inputs for mics
[00:35] <whoo> Thats all I have at the moment
[00:35] <holstein> whoo: then roll with it
[00:35] <holstein> it'll look like this "is it ok to use the only cable i have?" .. and since its the only one, go for it
[00:35] <whoo> I have never reorded a single noise on a computer...so...
[00:35] <holstein> you wont break anything
[00:35] <holstein> just turn the volumes/gains down when plugging
[00:36] <whoo> but I do need an amp of some kind for   the mic
[00:36] <holstein> whoo: preamp
[00:36] <whoo> right ....
[00:36] <holstein> you whould have one.. but again, "need" is a matter of opinino
[00:36] <holstein> opinion*
[00:36] <whoo> I have the teac
[00:37] <holstein> and, you dont have one... and unless you are going to go pick on up right now, i wouldnt worry about it
[00:37] <whoo> tascam
[00:37] <holstein> i would use what you have, and see what comes up for you
[00:37] <holstein> see what works, and what doesnt and why
[00:37] <holstein> try and get decent multi-tasking gear
[00:37] <whoo> I just have to get the thing plugged in and then figure out what to do ?
[00:38] <whoo> I have no gear as far as I know
[00:38] <whoo> just instruments
[00:38] <holstein> well, if you've gont one kind of cable, and one kind of input.. plug it in
[00:39] <whoo> If I just want to plug straight in, then I need to use a 1/4" to mini adapter, which I have
[00:39] <whoo> Even if its just to see how bad it can sound
[00:40] <holstein> whoo: i dont know what "straight in" means, but yes. use the least amount of adapters and plug in
[00:40] <whoo> Straight in to the line in at the back of my compaq presario desktop  computer
[00:41] <holstein> whoo: is there any other way?
[00:41] <whoo> I gueaa us, but thats not where I am yet
[00:41] <whoo> I guess
[00:41] <holstein> ideally, you would have an interface.. with either balanced in's, or a preamp
[00:42] <holstein> if you have only the internal sound card, then thats where you are going in
[00:42] <holstein> if you have no preamps, then you arent going to be using a preamp
[00:42] <holstein> if you have *any* kind of mixer.. you can use the preamps on it, and come out of the mixer into the sound card
[00:43] <whoo> I guess I could drag out my Tascam as a pramp
[00:44] <holstein> whoo: if you are using a mic, its a good idea to have a mic preamp
[00:45] <whoo> the Tascam Portastudio could be the preamp I figger
[00:46] <holstein> if it has xlr inputs, and outputs that you can adapt to the computer
[00:46] <whoo> I'll have to check, it's been years
[00:47] <holstein> whoo: i would get *all* of the gear you have.. get it out, and figure out what works, and how to use it... and what else you need
[00:48] <whoo> I guess my real concern was how to plug into the computer, and I suppose that will be the mini jack
[00:49] <holstein> whoo: thats all there is
[00:49] <whoo> I know that usb is popular but not yet
[00:49] <holstein> whoo: you have, at best, a mic in and a line in
[00:49] <holstein> whoo: i usually try both
[00:49] <whoo> yes....mic in and line in
[00:49] <holstein> you are going to have to fool about and see what yeilds the best sound
[00:49] <whoo> are they rated differently ?
[00:49] <holstein> whoo: one is a mic in and one is a line it
[00:50] <whoo> mic is what...-10db ?
[00:50] <len_1304> mic is -50
[00:50] <holstein> whoo: i have no idea.. and it wont be consistent.. or the same
[00:50] <holstein> its consumer grade stuff
[00:50] <holstein> when that says "mic".. that is talking about skype
[00:50] <holstein> not making a CD
[00:51] <whoo> right, just like my music...consumer grade
[00:51] <holstein> i usually plug into both and sweep around volumes and gain to see what yeilds the best result
[00:51] <whoo> the best way...
[00:52] <holstein> whoo: you cant do the best way
[00:52] <holstein> whoo: you'll need to determine what will be the best with what you have
[00:52] <whoo> the best way with what I got...
[00:52] <holstein> whoo: sure.. and that will require trial and error
[00:53] <holstein> whoo: i usually start tracking.. and i sweep through the volumes and listen to the results and see what i like best.. taking notes as to what the settings are
[00:53] <whoo> So, once I plug in the mic, which software should I start with to record a simple noise ?
[00:53] <holstein> there are controls on the mixer.. or in your case, the tascam.. ther are controls on the machine
[00:53] <holstein> whoo: whatever you are comfortable with
[00:53] <holstein> audacity is easy
[00:53] <whoo> yea there are
[00:54] <holstein> i start a track, and sweep trough the possiblities
[00:55] <whoo> ok...yes the Tascam will have lots of adjustables
[00:56] <whoo> Ok....gotta go get another adapter for the guitar pickup cord
[00:57] <whoo> before the wife gets home ....ahem
[00:57] <whoo> thanks for the direction
[01:07] <antto> my toy: http://i.imgur.com/DvVbgYf.jpg
[05:24] <odave> What source has cinelrella ?
[05:24] <holstein> odave: ?
[05:25] <odave> It was said to be a good fx for video tool...
[05:26] <holstein> odave: what is your question?. "good" is a matter of opinion. i know lots of folks use it and like it
[05:27] <odave> nevermind, google turns up cinelrella.org
[05:33] <holstein> odave: its in the repos
[05:38] <odave> will look again with 3rd party etc. turned on,  just brought this installation of 12.10 up today.
[05:42] <holstein> odave: actually, i added a ppa https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa
[10:20] <martl> let's keep it down in here ok???
[10:28] <zequence-s> martl, yo
[10:36] <martl> zequence-s
[10:37] <martl> I was getting lonely almost
[10:38] <zequence-s> martl, Well, it is kind of hard to hear what people are saying with all this shouting going on in here
[10:41] <zequence-s> I'm not getting this one
[10:41] <zequence-s> http://thisiswhyicode.blogspot.se/2013/03/an-infinite-number-of-mathematicians.html
[10:42] <antto> hahah
[10:42] <martl> cuz he was there first...the progression
[10:43] <martl> the bartenderhe gets 2 beers
[10:43] <antto> if you pour 1 hole beer, and then pour an infinite amount of beers each half the size of the previous one - you will end up pouring another beer
[10:43] <zequence-s> Ok, cause it didn't say who he was pouring the two beers for
[10:44] <martl> for himself
[10:45] <jacobi> hello iam dutch
[10:45] <martl> If each guy gets half as much beer as the guy who entered befiore him, the bartender, who was there first, would get twice as much as the first guy....2 beers
[10:46] <martl> Maybe ?
[10:55] <zequence-s> Well, it only makes sense, if the bartender is a drunk
[10:56] <zequence-s> Well, ok. It's starting to sink in now a little
[10:57] <zequence-s> That guy makes some funny postings
[10:59] <martl> I'm thinkin the bartender is just playing along with their silly progression, just to show them that even though he dropped out of school and bypassed college for a career in food and beverage, that he still was no slouch
[11:00] <zequence-s> Yeah, I guess that's the point of the joke. For some reason, I just thought it would have something to do with mathematics
[11:02] <zequence-s> Is there something Ubuntu Studio should be shipping, that we aren't currently?
[11:06] <martl> like what?
[11:07] <zequence-s> Well, anything available in the repos really
[11:07] <martl> just updayts...?
[11:07] <zequence-s> I'm more referring to what we are including in our metas
[11:08] <zequence-s> The stuff we ship on our ISO,
[11:08] <martl> like dist-upgrade stuff ?
[11:09] <zequence-s> A dist-upgrade will update what you already have. I'm talking about if we are lacking some great application in our default install?
[11:09] <zequence-s> app, or tool. plugin, or whatever
[11:09] <zequence-s> We've added a few things fro 13.04
[11:09] <zequence-s> Like Krita, and kdenlive
[11:10] <martl> I don't Oh..I dont know...I'm just new at this distro...so I am far from knowing the difference
[11:11] <zequence-s> martl, We have metas, each named ubuntustudio-*
[11:11] <martl> yes...I  know...
[11:11] <zequence-s> To see them all, in a terminal, do: apt-cache search ubuntustudio-
[11:11] <zequence-s> They all have dependencies
[11:11] <martl> oh..ok...
[11:11] <martl> and.....
[11:11] <zequence-s> So, a meta does not actually include anything. It just depends on a lot of packages
[11:12] <martl> its like a container then ?
[11:12] <zequence-s> So, ubuntustudio-audio, for instance, is our entire collection of audio applications that we ship by default
[11:12] <martl> ok
[11:13] <zequence-s> A meta doesn't include anything really. Just a description of what it depends on
[11:13] <zequence-s> We're merging -recording and -generation into -audio for 13.04
[11:14] <zequence-s> Anyway, if you think of any application that we should be shipping, just let us know
[11:14] <martl> guitarlnix
[11:14] <zequence-s> It's included for 13.04, so that one is taken care of :)
[11:15] <martl> nice...
[11:15] <martl> I heard an interview with the developer
[11:16] <martl> right now, spewaking of which I am adding kxstudio to lubuntu 12.04
[11:16] <martl> cuz ubuntustudio wont boot on this laptop
[11:17] <zequence-s> I think I read about that on kxstudio channel
[11:17] <zequence-s> You weren't able to boot anything almost
[11:17] <martl> no studio distros except avlinux
[11:18] <martl> avlinux has no irc presence,
[11:20] <martl> yah I was talking with falktx at kxstudio  and am taking his advice on the kx install
[11:21] <martl> When is 13.04 coming to life ?
[11:21] <zequence-s> We dont' know yet, but if it is to be released, it'll be release april 2013
[11:22] <zequence-s> hence the name 13.04 :)
[11:22] <martl> if ?
[11:22] <zequence-s> There's talk about moving to rolling release
[11:22] <zequence-s> Nothing's been settled yet
[11:22] <zequence-s> This was a good one http://thisiswhyicode.blogspot.se/2013/02/a-geologist-and-engineer-on-flight-from.html
[11:22] <martl> are you a ubuntu worker ?
[11:23] <zequence-s> I'm a developer for Ubuntu Studio. We're all volunteers
[11:25] <martl> do they feed you ?
[11:25] <martl> You dont actually go there
[11:25] <martl> You can work at home.....duh
[11:26] <zequence-s> Ubuntu is developed by the company Canonical. Most of them work from home, and get aid
[11:26] <zequence-s> paid*
[11:26] <zequence-s> All the other flavors, Ubuntu Studio, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Mythbuntu are community projects
[11:26] <martl> that was a good one....the geologist and the engineer.... will you get paid ever ?
[11:26] <zequence-s> I'm not in it for the money, so that's not an issue for me
[11:27] <zequence-s> I've got an income
[11:27] <zequence-s> Not working on this fulltime
[11:27] <martl> ok...
[11:28] <zequence-s> martl, Do you know about Debian?
[11:28] <martl> So I added the ausio meta  with kxstudio ontopof lubuntu. I dont want to bother with bthe video meta...is that ok ya think?
[11:29] <martl> yes I have bith running now wheezy and squeeze
[11:29] <zequence-s> kxstudio has nothing to do with Ubuntu Studio
[11:29] <zequence-s> So, either use one or the other
[11:29] <martl> I have ubuntustudio on my desktop
[11:29] <martl> with debian wheezy lxde and mint mate
[11:30] <zequence-s> Debian is completely a volunteer project. And Ubuntu is based on it. Most of the applications in Ubuntu are directly imported from Debian
[11:30] <martl> and win7 and 8
[11:30] <martl> yes...I do know that ....and sometimes mint uses deb....lmde
[11:32] <martl> I am getting comfy with ubuntustudio on the desktop, just vas a regular distro..
[11:32] <zequence-s> I'm a gnome person myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think XFCE is a good choice for Ubuntu Studio
[11:33] <martl> I have lubuntu ...know kxstudio lubuntu on an old hptc1100 tablet
[11:33] <martl> now*
[11:34] <martl> I have wheezy lxde on a 6gb hdd that I play with now and then
[11:34] <martl>  as well as squeeze with gnome2
[11:34] <martl> I dont really like the new gnome environment
[11:35] <martl> But like you say, with Xfce Lxde, razor qt...etc...there is room
[11:36] <martl> Xfce with nautilus is interesting
[11:36] <zequence-s> nautilus is being dropped for 13.04
[11:36] <martl> AVlinux has lxde de with nautilus
[11:37] <zequence-s> In fact, we're going full way with aligning with Xubuntu now
[11:37] <martl> thunar then
[11:37] <martl> and...ugh gigolo ?
[11:37] <zequence-s> nautilus has changed so much that it doesn't make much sense to use it
[11:38] <martl> Gotta write a scripot for opoen as admin...and for accessing local windows share home network access
[11:38] <zequence-s> also, we try not to work on the desktop more than we need to
[11:38] <martl> leave the XFCE alone then ?
[11:38] <zequence-s> Xubuntu, more than XFCE
[11:39] <zequence-s> In fact, you could call Ubuntu Studio Xubuntu Studio
[11:39] <zequence-s> Well, almost
[11:39] <martl> ok..OIts based on Xfce de
[11:40] <martl> or it has the Xfce DE
[11:41] <martl> Be cool if you added an "open as admin" script to the right click context box in thunar
[11:42] <martl> But likje you say, you arent working specifically on the DE or the FM
[11:46] <zequence-s> I'll look into that. Feature freeze is tomorrow, so it's not likely we are able to get that in this time
[11:47] <martl> Love the progression you guys are making,..
[11:48] <martl> in 5 years, It's great...thats how long I have been toying with the linux,,er the gnu'linux....
[11:48] <martl> Ubuntu really sets the pace, one way er the other....
[11:52] <martl> gotta go bah bah...catch you later zequence-s
[11:52] <zequence-s> martl, later
[13:59] <ivotkl> Hello everyone. I've installed audio part of ubuntustudio on an ubuntu distro. I am having echo issues when recording on audacity. Any clues?
[14:00] <zequence-s> ivotkl, echo, as in the audio that goes in comes out a bit later?
[14:01] <zequence-s> ivotkl, That's usually the effect of having high latency when recording
[14:01] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, actual echo or lag during monitoring??
[14:01] <zequence-s> ..and monitoring through the computer, as cfhowlett pointed out
[14:01] <ivotkl> I think its echo. Not sure.
[14:01] <ivotkl> I think it' s echo. Not sure.
[14:02] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, do you have an echo on playback of the recording???
[14:02] <ivotkl> I mean, I hear a pitch when recording as if mic was too high.
[14:02] <ivotkl> Bear in mind that I'm using integrated mic, so that might be the reason. But I've never recorded anything, so...
[14:03] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, integrated mic not so good.  I've had better results using an El Cheapo skype headset rather than the integrated ...
[14:03] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, plus integrated will pick up system sounds, fans, etc ...
[14:05] <ivotkl> Oh, ok...
[14:06] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, for recording music, podcasts, you really should consider a decent introductory mic and interface.  I used the presonus one box to great effect
[14:07] <cfhowlett> see amazon for that ... $150 for interface and mic
[14:07] <cfhowlett> ivotkl, or, if you've an ipad/phone/pod, there are a number of nice mics ...
[14:12] <ivotkl> I have an iPad2 actually.
[14:12] <ivotkl> How can I use it with Audacity?
[14:13] <zequence-s> ivotkl, What are you recording, btw?
[14:13] <ivotkl> Just my voice hahaha. =$
[14:14] <ivotkl> I have a MIDI to USB interface for the piano, but I do not remember which program I used for that one...
[14:22] <zequence-s> ivotkl, I guess in your situation, Audacity seems like a logical choice
[14:26] <ivotkl> Okay. Then I'll hydrogen a drum. And finally the piano.
[14:26] <ivotkl> Which was the MIDI thingie?
[14:27] <zequence-s> If your thinking of sequencing, don't use Audacity
[14:28] <zequence-s> Use qtractor, or ardour
[14:28] <ivotkl> Nope, just recording Gethsemane by Nightwish. But I'm not singing that one. =P
[14:28] <zequence-s> qtractor has midi support, so that may be the easiest
[14:28] <zequence-s> You can sync qtractor with hydrogen
[14:28] <ivotkl> I'm planning to make the drums with hydrogen and then recording the piano + strings via MIDI -> USB interface.
[14:28] <zequence-s> So, you can make beats with hydrogen, and record it to qtractor when you're done
[14:29] <zequence-s> You'll need to use jack
[14:29] <zequence-s> !proaudio
[14:29] <zequence-s> Read that to get an idea
[14:30] <ivotkl> zequence-s: Great. Thank you.
[15:13] <senator_> Hey
[15:14] <senator_> Libre office is crashed but wont stop running in background yet no documents canbe ciewed
[15:28] <senator_> Libre office is crashed but wont stop running in background yet no documents can be ciewed
[16:01] <ivotkl> senator_: have you tried using killall command on terminal?
[16:01] <ivotkl> Gotta rush guys. See you later. It's been a lpeasure as always. =)
[16:01] <ivotkl> Gotta rush guys. See you later. It's been a pleasure as always. =)
[16:01] <senator_> i really dont understand that comman
[16:01] <senator_> can you explain pls
[19:54] <SunStar> launcher menu -> system -> system monitor -> process tab -> right click on what you want gone -> kill
[20:10] <senator_> Ok solution found.... what I did was to go into system monitor and kill process for soffice bin
[22:21] <hectorlopez> hi there, i want to know im using ubuntustudio 12.04 i know if necessary update to the last release or not? update to 12.10
[22:24] <zequence> hectorlopez: No need to really
[22:24] <zequence> 12.04 is LTS (Long Term Release)
[22:24] <zequence> The difference between 12.04 and 12.10 is only that you get more updated software
[22:25] <zequence> If you aren't missing anything, you don't need to upgrade
[22:26] <UnWorldly> what are the most significantly updated things out of curiosity
[22:26] <SunStar> once 13.04 comes out you might want to consider updateing to 13.04 for improved jack function
[22:27] <SunStar> 13.04 comes out in april
[22:27] <zequence> Yes, both jack and PA are buggy in 12.04 and 12.10
[22:27] <zequence> There is a fix on its way for jack for 12.04 and 12.10, but I have no idea about ETA
[22:28] <zequence> There may never be a 13.04. Still under discussion
[22:28] <zequence> That my become a rolling release
[22:28] <zequence> http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/03/rolling-release-mir/
[22:29] <zequence> UnWorldly: Whatever is most significant to you. Ubuntu Studio itself has had some updating in the menu department
[22:30] <zequence> But, otherwise, it depends on what applications you use, and whether there were any new features/big fixes
[22:30] <UnWorldly> I guess im all up on ppa's for the things that are super important to have new versions for anyway
[22:30] <zequence> A possible rolling release would to some degree replace that
[22:31] <zequence> I mean, it would be as up to date as a "stable" release could be
[22:31] <zequence> All though, there are special builds in some PPAs
[22:31] <SunStar> im not understanding how a rolling release would actually be implemented.
[22:32] <zequence> It means there's no specific release. You get a daily, or monthly ISO, or whatever. Install it, and then it just keeps updating
[22:32] <zequence> There's no *next* release
[22:32] <zequence> The LTS will stay though
[22:32] <zequence> no matter waht
[22:32] <SunStar> got it
[22:33] <zequence> Nothing's for sure yet. Ubuntu is trying to evolve with their phone plans, and free up some workload of having to support a bunch of releases
[22:34] <zequence> Canonical, I mean (who maintains and develops Ubuntu)
[22:34] <SunStar> yeah
[22:35] <SunStar> well i support the rolling release strategy
[22:35] <zequence> Many people agree on that the development release of 13.04, between October and now has been quite stable. So, with that in mind, people are saying we can just keep going, and not do anymore 6 month releases. That said, they do need to make the rolling release more secure
[22:36] <zequence> It's a little too much wild west otherwise
[22:49] <hectorlopez> ok thx