| pleia2 | http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/05/1304-go-ahead | 01:04 |
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| knome | mh | 01:05 |
| knome | is that official? | 01:05 |
| * pleia2 shrugs | 01:05 | |
| pleia2 | "we seem to have consensus" | 01:05 |
| knome | aha. | 01:05 |
| knome | would be nice to know soon... preferably before FF. | 01:06 |
| knome | :P | 01:06 |
| bluesabre | or if we could push FF off for a week, I could get more done in time ;-) | 03:04 |
| Unit193 | FFe? | 03:08 |
| micahg | bluesabre: bug fixes don't need FFe | 03:19 |
| bluesabre | I know | 03:19 |
| bluesabre | but version bumps do, right? | 03:20 |
| bluesabre | e.g. parole | 03:20 |
| micahg | major version bumps for features, sure, microreleases for bugs only don't need exceptions until final freeze | 03:22 |
| scottbomb | Hey all. I'm just starting here. Got feedback today on the mail list xubuntu-devel about iso.qa.ubuntu.com. I'm already registered on Launchpad too. So how do I tell which of the many testcases I should work without causing too much duplication? | 03:22 |
| micahg | bluesabre: I have a bit more cleanup to do before I can upload, need to finish tomorrow | 04:37 |
| ochosi | seems like a some longtime ubuntu-members are dropping out (http://doctormo.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-membership-2/) | 08:52 |
| astraljava | ochosi: I have to say I agree somewhat. I don't really feel the same enthusiasm of belonging to the community as I did a few years ago. Maybe the reason why I haven't become a member in the first place. At first I thought I was inadequate, now I don't know if I want to, even. But I haven't closed this chapter, yet. :) | 10:37 |
| bluesabre | micahg, thanks for the update :) | 10:37 |
| ochosi | astraljava: yeah, i somewhat agree on that too (partially why i pasted it) | 10:48 |
| ochosi | i was wondering whether there's a wider tendency of older members to drop out of the community now | 10:48 |
| ochosi | as things are changing rapidly and the community is informed about it via the media | 10:48 |
| knome | it's probably just like that | 10:49 |
| ochosi | knome: time to write a mirror-article to this one ;) http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community | 10:50 |
| knome | i don't think that solves the issue. | 10:51 |
| ochosi | obviously not. and obviously i was a bit sarcastic ;) | 10:51 |
| knome | wasn't so sure. | 10:52 |
| ochosi | but in the end _we_ can't really solve "the issue" | 10:52 |
| knome | no, and that's my point | 10:52 |
| ochosi | i was a bit bewildered by that blogpost tbh | 10:52 |
| ochosi | seems a bit like a weird "call to arms" | 10:53 |
| Unit193 | Or like someone is highly annoyed. | 10:53 |
| yofel | it wasn't really intended as such. But being frustated recently might have had some influence | 10:53 |
| ochosi | well sure, being frustrated at this point is no surprise | 10:54 |
| ochosi | but it seems like everyone is shooting very rapidly now | 10:54 |
| ochosi | and i'm wondering whether taking a step back, breathing deeply and waiting for the dust to settle wouldn't be wiser | 10:54 |
| knome | i wouldn't want to tell new contributors that we aren't like ubuntu, because that can newer be true | 10:54 |
| ochosi | and less disruptive for everyone | 10:54 |
| knome | ubuntu's (read: canonical's) decisions will always affect xubuntu | 10:55 |
| yofel | he didn't say that either, he said "if you want an ubuntu community that..." | 10:55 |
| knome | no, but that's how i read it | 10:56 |
| yofel | ochosi: the problem with that is with things moving as fast as they are now you might miss the timeframe where you *can* still raise objections | 10:56 |
| ochosi | yofel: i get that, but this blogpost isn't really about "raising objections" imo | 10:56 |
| knome | the community should definitely shout out now, but not anything that isn't argumented well | 10:56 |
| ochosi | it's way past raising objections | 10:56 |
| knome | i don't see the post as too much canonical-opposed | 10:57 |
| yofel | he might have stressed the limits of "playing nice" a bit, but maybe *sometimes* you just have to say what you think | 10:57 |
| yofel | esp. if you have the feeling that people ignore you when you're being nice | 10:57 |
| knome | some might think i'm pushing (or crossing) the boundaries as well in my article | 10:59 |
| ochosi | i dunno, to me asking people to "join us, we're the good ones" is just a downer | 10:59 |
| ochosi | devs@wayland have obviously also cried out | 11:00 |
| knome | yes, that's what it feels like, not like "canonical is bad, let's retaliate" | 11:00 |
| ochosi | and not that it would've made sense for them, but if they'd have asked mir-devs to join wayland, that would've felt just as weird | 11:00 |
| knome | and i don't think that attitude is constructive anyway ^ | 11:02 |
| ochosi | +1 | 11:02 |
| ochosi | especially as a "flavors unite" post would've made much more sense to me than "come and join only us" | 11:03 |
| knome | it's not only the flavors that need to cooperate, it's the whole volunteering community | 11:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, you can also call it "community unite" if you will ) | 11:03 |
| ochosi | that'd actually be a nice reply to the kubuntu blogpost :) | 11:04 |
| knome | but that's a slippery slope. | 11:04 |
| ochosi | depends on what you expect from it | 11:04 |
| knome | i think the best way is to make sure we get as much well argumented posts from all over the community | 11:05 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Well, at least Charlie up and left. | 11:19 |
| knome | did he contribute much after leaving xubuntu? | 11:21 |
| astraljava | Not sure, but he did say something about the accessibility sector. | 11:21 |
| knome | i haven't been monitoring all the teams so i don't know if he has | 11:21 |
| astraljava | But yeah, I don't follow as closely nowadays, so I have no idea. | 11:21 |
| knome | just wondering how major depart it is | 11:21 |
| astraljava | Would be intriguing to know some numbers, yeah. | 11:22 |
| knome | he did drop a lot of his responsibilities before | 11:22 |
| knome | meh @ laptop batter | 11:22 |
| knome | +y | 11:22 |
| knome | 10% is 24 mins? | 11:22 |
| knome | that makes sense | 11:22 |
| astraljava | That's not a meh-worthy issue. What is, is the broken screen of a touch screen phone. | 11:23 |
| astraljava | Broken in a sense that it shows stuff, but doesn't react to... you guessed it, touches. | 11:23 |
| knome | reported full load has decreased again though :( | 11:23 |
| knome | yeah, that sucks | 11:23 |
| knome | but you know what i think about smartphones | 11:23 |
| astraljava | I know. Hence it's meh-worthy. | 11:24 |
| knome | not really. | 11:24 |
| knome | get a phone that's a phone | 11:24 |
| knome | ;) | 11:24 |
| astraljava | Well I don't think you get too agitated about it, since you don't even have one, and will never get one. :) | 11:24 |
| knome | yeah. | 11:24 |
| astraljava | Soo... meh. | 11:25 |
| knome | anybody whining that their smartphone calls are slow or bad in quality | 11:25 |
| knome | ... | 11:25 |
| knome | just get a *phone* | 11:25 |
| astraljava | Yes well I have a Nokia E7, but can't switch the SIM card there, cause they're of different size. | 11:25 |
| knome | there are adapters for that | 11:25 |
| knome | unless you have the legacy one and need a smaller one | 11:26 |
| knome | anyway... | 11:27 |
| knome | i need to go | 11:27 |
| knome | wifes brother gets back from india today | 11:27 |
| knome | have fun everybody | 11:27 |
| pleia2 | scott-work: great comment on doctormo's blog post, thank you | 17:20 |
| Unit193 | knome: Need to fix the !daily-#xubuntu factoid, no more alternate cd. | 17:30 |
| Unit193 | Also, one from #xubuntu may be interested in testing, and another piped up too. | 17:32 |
| n-iCe | hello! | 17:36 |
| n-iCe | I want to be a tester! | 17:36 |
| ochosi | n-iCe: nice! | 17:37 |
| n-iCe | what should I do :D | 17:38 |
| ochosi | n-iCe: have you read through this page yet? http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ | 17:39 |
| n-iCe | No, I'm doing it, thanks. | 17:39 |
| ochosi | k | 17:39 |
| scott-work | pleia2: oh thank you! i appreciate your comments on my comments | 18:11 |
| scott-work | i was hoping it was insightful and that someone would respond or say something back | 18:12 |
| knome | are we doing a hangout? | 18:12 |
| scott-work | ochosi: LOL (i just caught your 'nice' comment) | 18:15 |
| Unit193 | Which rep from Xubuntu do we have today? | 18:15 |
| micahg | ooh, are we starting? | 18:20 |
| knome | i wouuld be more comfortable with a private hangout, tbh. | 18:22 |
| knome | -u | 18:22 |
| knome | or something similar | 18:22 |
| Unit193 | Yes. | 18:23 |
| Unit193 | I have a mic, so technically I could join, but not sure I have much to add. | 18:23 |
| knome | can we have one after this session? | 18:24 |
| Unit193 | I'm good with joining you (or anyone), if I'm needed. | 18:24 |
| knome | skellat, it's not about you. you're free to join us. | 18:24 |
| Kris_CGo | Any devs here who know if you're going to use mir or wayland? It seems many ubuntu derivatives are going wayland and a few mir. | 18:39 |
| knome | no. | 18:39 |
| knome | we don't know yet | 18:39 |
| knome | Kris_CGo, and please don't crosspost. | 18:40 |
| Kris_CGo | Wayland is nearly done and Mir is still a very early alpha, doesn't seem to be any advantages unless you're going to have xubuntu for mobile... so i guess that's what determines it ultimately in the future. I've been using xfce for years on desktop, have always had a great experience with it. | 18:42 |
| knome | can we schedule a xubuntu hangout or some kind of session after the proposal goes under review? | 18:59 |
| skellat | knome: I'll add that to my list of things to do | 19:01 |
| knome | skellat, thanks | 19:01 |
| knome | micahg, what you're proposing sounds fine, but i'd like to have some kind of timeframe for the upgrades | 19:07 |
| knome | micahg, even a week or two. | 19:08 |
| micahg | knome: sure, as rick said, that's an implementation detail | 19:08 |
| knome | yes, but an important one | 19:08 |
| knome | at least from my point of view | 19:08 |
| micahg | sure, I think how seamless we can make the release upgrade will determine how what type of window we need | 19:11 |
| knome | would you be proposing we only have these releases and LTS, and not use the rolling release stuff at all? | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | (libopus0 isn't in backports, so says ubottu) | 19:12 |
| micahg | well, we'd integrate most of the concepts from the rolling release to make everything rock solid, it'll be critical in reducing the support overlap | 19:12 |
| micahg | Unit193: hrm :(, I'll have to go digging, it might have been blocked on something | 19:13 |
| Unit193 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/1099003 (I don't use precise except for a server) | 19:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1099003 in vlc (Ubuntu) "VLC 2.0.5 won't work with Opus. Please include libopus0 from n-muench PPA" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 19:14 |
| Unit193 | knome: When would you be interested in doing that, BTW? | 20:05 |
| micahg | Unit193: ah, no one filed backport requests for opus/vlc | 20:06 |
| knome | Unit193, after we have a formal proposal for the RR | 20:06 |
| skellat | Oh, and Happy Feature Freeze Thursday! | 20:09 |
| knome | skellat, you too | 20:10 |
| Unit193 | Ehhh, I've got a couple hours left, maybe... | 20:14 |
| micahg | umm, yeah, about 26 :) | 20:14 |
| Unit193 | And they don't hand out FFes to everyone either. | 20:16 |
| knome | Unit193, definitely not you. | 20:17 |
| Unit193 | Hah, indeed. | 20:17 |
| scottbomb | Hello all. Is there any disadvantage in using VirtualBox for ISO testing? | 20:45 |
| scottbomb | I suppose it may not help since VB uses the Windows drivers and doesn't communicate directly with hardware, is that correct? | 20:46 |
| knome | scottbomb, it helps a bit, but of course that's not real hardware testing | 20:47 |
| knome | virtualbox uses generic drivers that are *made* to be as easy as possible for the hardware | 20:48 |
| scottbomb | Cool, thanks. I'll do directly with a real install then. Now do I just pick any testcase I feel like testing? | 20:49 |
| knome | scottbomb, any should be fine. after you've done the installing testcase, check out our post-install testcases :) | 20:52 |
| scottbomb | Will do, thanks. Also, I understand I should use the daily builds, right? | 20:54 |
| knome | yes, since we're not doing any milestone testing right now | 20:55 |
| knome | please note that there's also the upgrade tests | 20:56 |
| knome | where you install the previous version first, then upgrade to the newest | 20:56 |
| scottbomb | The laptop is running Quantal now. So I would do a fresh install of the ISO or I can do an upgrade to the daily Raring build? | 20:59 |
| knome | an upgrade from your installation would do | 21:00 |
| scottbomb | Then each day just upgrade to the newest daily and continue testing packages as needed per the testcases? | 21:00 |
| knome | well, most of the testcases include installing a system | 21:01 |
| knome | so ideally you would install the system again every day, *then* run the post-installation (desktop) tests | 21:01 |
| scottbomb | I'm quite new at this so thank you for your patience. I want to be as useful as possible so I think I'll go that route then, as you suggest with new installs. | 21:02 |
| knome | no problem | 21:02 |
| knome | and feel free to ask for assistance any time | 21:02 |
| scottbomb | Cool thanks. | 21:02 |
| knome | and great to see new people wanting to help | 21:02 |
| eduardo__ | Hello! | 23:10 |
| GridCube | hi | 23:11 |
| eduardo__ | I found a bug! (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1063965) | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1063965 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Choppy sound in 12.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:12 |
| eduardo__ | Help me, please! | 23:12 |
| eduardo__ | My version of Xubuntu is 12.10 amd64. | 23:14 |
| eduardo__ | Someone? | 23:16 |
| eduardo__ | I'm new on Xubuntu. Help me, please! | 23:16 |
| eduardo__ | I'm from Brazil and not speak English very good! | 23:17 |
| eduardo__ | Nobody go me help same huh? | 23:21 |
| drc | eduardo__: #xubuntu is the support channel | 23:29 |
| eduardo__ | ok | 23:31 |
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