[01:04] http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/05/1304-go-ahead [01:05] mh [01:05] is that official? [01:05] * pleia2 shrugs [01:05] "we seem to have consensus" [01:05] aha. [01:06] would be nice to know soon... preferably before FF. [01:06] :P [03:04] or if we could push FF off for a week, I could get more done in time ;-) [03:08] FFe? [03:19] bluesabre: bug fixes don't need FFe [03:19] I know [03:20] but version bumps do, right? [03:20] e.g. parole [03:22] major version bumps for features, sure, microreleases for bugs only don't need exceptions until final freeze [03:22] Hey all. I'm just starting here. Got feedback today on the mail list xubuntu-devel about iso.qa.ubuntu.com. I'm already registered on Launchpad too. So how do I tell which of the many testcases I should work without causing too much duplication? [04:37] bluesabre: I have a bit more cleanup to do before I can upload, need to finish tomorrow [08:52] seems like a some longtime ubuntu-members are dropping out (http://doctormo.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-membership-2/) [10:37] ochosi: I have to say I agree somewhat. I don't really feel the same enthusiasm of belonging to the community as I did a few years ago. Maybe the reason why I haven't become a member in the first place. At first I thought I was inadequate, now I don't know if I want to, even. But I haven't closed this chapter, yet. :) [10:37] micahg, thanks for the update :) [10:48] astraljava: yeah, i somewhat agree on that too (partially why i pasted it) [10:48] i was wondering whether there's a wider tendency of older members to drop out of the community now [10:48] as things are changing rapidly and the community is informed about it via the media [10:49] it's probably just like that [10:50] knome: time to write a mirror-article to this one ;) http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community [10:51] i don't think that solves the issue. [10:51] obviously not. and obviously i was a bit sarcastic ;) [10:52] wasn't so sure. [10:52] but in the end _we_ can't really solve "the issue" [10:52] no, and that's my point [10:52] i was a bit bewildered by that blogpost tbh [10:53] seems a bit like a weird "call to arms" [10:53] Or like someone is highly annoyed. [10:53] it wasn't really intended as such. But being frustated recently might have had some influence [10:54] well sure, being frustrated at this point is no surprise [10:54] but it seems like everyone is shooting very rapidly now [10:54] and i'm wondering whether taking a step back, breathing deeply and waiting for the dust to settle wouldn't be wiser [10:54] i wouldn't want to tell new contributors that we aren't like ubuntu, because that can newer be true [10:54] and less disruptive for everyone [10:55] ubuntu's (read: canonical's) decisions will always affect xubuntu [10:55] he didn't say that either, he said "if you want an ubuntu community that..." [10:56] no, but that's how i read it [10:56] ochosi: the problem with that is with things moving as fast as they are now you might miss the timeframe where you *can* still raise objections [10:56] yofel: i get that, but this blogpost isn't really about "raising objections" imo [10:56] the community should definitely shout out now, but not anything that isn't argumented well [10:56] it's way past raising objections [10:57] i don't see the post as too much canonical-opposed [10:57] he might have stressed the limits of "playing nice" a bit, but maybe *sometimes* you just have to say what you think [10:57] esp. if you have the feeling that people ignore you when you're being nice [10:59] some might think i'm pushing (or crossing) the boundaries as well in my article [10:59] i dunno, to me asking people to "join us, we're the good ones" is just a downer [11:00] devs@wayland have obviously also cried out [11:00] yes, that's what it feels like, not like "canonical is bad, let's retaliate" [11:00] and not that it would've made sense for them, but if they'd have asked mir-devs to join wayland, that would've felt just as weird [11:02] and i don't think that attitude is constructive anyway ^ [11:02] +1 [11:03] especially as a "flavors unite" post would've made much more sense to me than "come and join only us" [11:03] it's not only the flavors that need to cooperate, it's the whole volunteering community [11:03] yeah, you can also call it "community unite" if you will ) [11:04] that'd actually be a nice reply to the kubuntu blogpost :) [11:04] but that's a slippery slope. [11:04] depends on what you expect from it [11:05] i think the best way is to make sure we get as much well argumented posts from all over the community [11:19] ochosi: Well, at least Charlie up and left. [11:21] did he contribute much after leaving xubuntu? [11:21] Not sure, but he did say something about the accessibility sector. [11:21] i haven't been monitoring all the teams so i don't know if he has [11:21] But yeah, I don't follow as closely nowadays, so I have no idea. [11:21] just wondering how major depart it is [11:22] Would be intriguing to know some numbers, yeah. [11:22] he did drop a lot of his responsibilities before [11:22] meh @ laptop batter [11:22] +y [11:22] 10% is 24 mins? [11:22] that makes sense [11:23] That's not a meh-worthy issue. What is, is the broken screen of a touch screen phone. [11:23] Broken in a sense that it shows stuff, but doesn't react to... you guessed it, touches. [11:23] reported full load has decreased again though :( [11:23] yeah, that sucks [11:23] but you know what i think about smartphones [11:24] I know. Hence it's meh-worthy. [11:24] not really. [11:24] get a phone that's a phone [11:24] ;) [11:24] Well I don't think you get too agitated about it, since you don't even have one, and will never get one. :) [11:24] yeah. [11:25] Soo... meh. [11:25] anybody whining that their smartphone calls are slow or bad in quality [11:25] ... [11:25] just get a *phone* [11:25] Yes well I have a Nokia E7, but can't switch the SIM card there, cause they're of different size. [11:25] there are adapters for that [11:26] unless you have the legacy one and need a smaller one [11:27] anyway... [11:27] i need to go [11:27] wifes brother gets back from india today [11:27] have fun everybody [17:20] scott-work: great comment on doctormo's blog post, thank you [17:30] knome: Need to fix the !daily-#xubuntu factoid, no more alternate cd. [17:32] Also, one from #xubuntu may be interested in testing, and another piped up too. [17:36] hello! [17:36] I want to be a tester! [17:37] n-iCe: nice! [17:38] what should I do :D [17:39] n-iCe: have you read through this page yet? http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ [17:39] No, I'm doing it, thanks. [17:39] k [18:11] pleia2: oh thank you! i appreciate your comments on my comments [18:12] i was hoping it was insightful and that someone would respond or say something back [18:12] are we doing a hangout? [18:15] ochosi: LOL (i just caught your 'nice' comment) [18:15] Which rep from Xubuntu do we have today? [18:20] ooh, are we starting? [18:22] i wouuld be more comfortable with a private hangout, tbh. [18:22] -u [18:22] or something similar [18:23] Yes. [18:23] I have a mic, so technically I could join, but not sure I have much to add. [18:24] can we have one after this session? [18:24] I'm good with joining you (or anyone), if I'm needed. [18:24] skellat, it's not about you. you're free to join us. [18:39] Any devs here who know if you're going to use mir or wayland? It seems many ubuntu derivatives are going wayland and a few mir. [18:39] no. [18:39] we don't know yet [18:40] Kris_CGo, and please don't crosspost. [18:42] Wayland is nearly done and Mir is still a very early alpha, doesn't seem to be any advantages unless you're going to have xubuntu for mobile... so i guess that's what determines it ultimately in the future. I've been using xfce for years on desktop, have always had a great experience with it. [18:59] can we schedule a xubuntu hangout or some kind of session after the proposal goes under review? [19:01] knome: I'll add that to my list of things to do [19:01] skellat, thanks [19:07] micahg, what you're proposing sounds fine, but i'd like to have some kind of timeframe for the upgrades [19:08] micahg, even a week or two. [19:08] knome: sure, as rick said, that's an implementation detail [19:08] yes, but an important one [19:08] at least from my point of view [19:11] sure, I think how seamless we can make the release upgrade will determine how what type of window we need [19:12] would you be proposing we only have these releases and LTS, and not use the rolling release stuff at all? [19:12] (libopus0 isn't in backports, so says ubottu) [19:12] well, we'd integrate most of the concepts from the rolling release to make everything rock solid, it'll be critical in reducing the support overlap [19:13] Unit193: hrm :(, I'll have to go digging, it might have been blocked on something [19:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/1099003 (I don't use precise except for a server) [19:14] Launchpad bug 1099003 in vlc (Ubuntu) "VLC 2.0.5 won't work with Opus. Please include libopus0 from n-muench PPA" [Undecided,Won't fix] [20:05] knome: When would you be interested in doing that, BTW? [20:06] Unit193: ah, no one filed backport requests for opus/vlc [20:06] Unit193, after we have a formal proposal for the RR [20:09] Oh, and Happy Feature Freeze Thursday! [20:10] skellat, you too [20:14] Ehhh, I've got a couple hours left, maybe... [20:14] umm, yeah, about 26 :) [20:16] And they don't hand out FFes to everyone either. [20:17] Unit193, definitely not you. [20:17] Hah, indeed. [20:45] Hello all. Is there any disadvantage in using VirtualBox for ISO testing? [20:46] I suppose it may not help since VB uses the Windows drivers and doesn't communicate directly with hardware, is that correct? [20:47] scottbomb, it helps a bit, but of course that's not real hardware testing [20:48] virtualbox uses generic drivers that are *made* to be as easy as possible for the hardware [20:49] Cool, thanks. I'll do directly with a real install then. Now do I just pick any testcase I feel like testing? [20:52] scottbomb, any should be fine. after you've done the installing testcase, check out our post-install testcases :) [20:54] Will do, thanks. Also, I understand I should use the daily builds, right? [20:55] yes, since we're not doing any milestone testing right now [20:56] please note that there's also the upgrade tests [20:56] where you install the previous version first, then upgrade to the newest [20:59] The laptop is running Quantal now. So I would do a fresh install of the ISO or I can do an upgrade to the daily Raring build? [21:00] an upgrade from your installation would do [21:00] Then each day just upgrade to the newest daily and continue testing packages as needed per the testcases? [21:01] well, most of the testcases include installing a system [21:01] so ideally you would install the system again every day, *then* run the post-installation (desktop) tests [21:02] I'm quite new at this so thank you for your patience. I want to be as useful as possible so I think I'll go that route then, as you suggest with new installs. [21:02] no problem [21:02] and feel free to ask for assistance any time [21:02] Cool thanks. [21:02] and great to see new people wanting to help [23:10] Hello! [23:11] hi [23:12] I found a bug! (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1063965) [23:12] Launchpad bug 1063965 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Choppy sound in 12.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:12] Help me, please! [23:14] My version of Xubuntu is 12.10 amd64. [23:16] Someone? [23:16] I'm new on Xubuntu. Help me, please! [23:17] I'm from Brazil and not speak English very good! [23:21] Nobody go me help same huh? [23:29] eduardo__: #xubuntu is the support channel [23:31] ok