[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: while you are still on the council, fancy writing a blog post outlining how kubuntu has not ever been under canonical or blue systems management and explain how blue systems is not funding development but supporting it?
[00:00] <keithzg> Fair enough! I guess I can see the point there. Personally though I can easily see (and this is the case I've run into with friends) intermediate users who are looking for something more in-depth than than MSC may well then find Synaptic first in their trawling of *buntu land, unawares that a native KDE/Kubuntu program existed for the same purpose.
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Would I be responding to anyone in particular by writing that post?
[00:01] <apachelogger> keithzg: I guess, then again there is nothing wrong with using synaptic and perhaps the solution to that would simply be more pro-active in terms of promoting the muon package manager
[00:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not a good idea that can easily start a shitstorm + you'd be generating page rank value :P
[00:02] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbFEresC2zg for example
[00:02] <apachelogger> oh, wrong one
[00:02] <apachelogger> sec
[00:02] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=QzzthuA63Yw
[00:02] <apachelogger> that one
[00:03] <apachelogger> This is the final Kubuntu to be released under the management and funding of Canonical, from now on development is being funded by Blue Systems.
[00:03] <apachelogger> and the 12.10 follow up
[00:03] <apachelogger> Review of Kubuntu 12.10 Final Release. This is the first released of Kubuntu under the management and funding of Blue Systems. The code base and package locations are the same as before, so theres no noticeable difference for the end user. 
[00:03] <apachelogger> both of which wrong
[00:03] <apachelogger> and particularly the last one is concerning
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> right, I wouldn't actually name names, but if it hadn't been an issue (which I see now that it is) it might look a bit suspicious for me to be suggesting the question in the first place
[00:04] <apachelogger> completely misstates the relationship with blue systems
[00:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just go "there seems to be general confusion blahblbha"
[00:04] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/kubuntu-is-not-ubuntu/
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEIB4baOSd8 :P
[00:05] <apachelogger> if I were to write a clearification it would be pretty much that with s/canonical/blue systems/
[00:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^^
[00:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: on a related note in that dude's review we apparently impvoed by 10% from .04 to .10
[00:06] <apachelogger> although the rating seems to be made up on the spot
[00:06] <apachelogger> i.e. also the categories that are rated
[00:06] <apachelogger> totally weird
[00:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if I were you I'd bash the dude behind the first review though in some mail or something
[00:07] <apachelogger> he's basically called all your code crap
[00:08] <apachelogger> what's funny though ... when people say shit crashes they never ever mention my debuginstaller so I must suspect they are just trying to be unfriendly as clearly they have not even reported a bug about the crash
[00:08] <apachelogger> friendly people report bugs!
[00:09] <apachelogger> "Amarok and Dragonplayer. Amarok seems a bit buggy, and dragonplayer doesn't have enough features."
[00:11] <keithzg> apachelogger: Yeah, I see the point re:MSC. It does seem like a tricky situation since the two programs overlap in use, but not in specific functionality. 
[00:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:12] <keithzg> Perhaps the Muon Software Center 'handbook' would be a reasonable place to mention the Package Manager? (admittedly I see "documentation not found" when I open that, so maybe I'm opening a can of worms right now; OTOH if there's a way I could contribute to that I'd be more than happy to try, assuming we assume anyone reads help pages anymore)
[00:12] <apachelogger> just enteraining the idea right now anyway
[00:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon has no documenation? :P
[00:12] <apachelogger> oh
[00:12] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> no docbook, no
[00:12]  * apachelogger should rewrite khelpcenter :/
[00:12] <apachelogger> ://///////////////////////////////
[00:12] <apachelogger> ^ me with a beard
[00:13] <keithzg> heh
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: eh, the first video you posted does raise a good point, in that there's no way to show technical package results from the main screen search box. (Searching in a view for any particular origin or the installed packages works)
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> but no bug report == I couldn't have known
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna notes that Muon Discover currently has no support for showing non-application packages
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I did how he glossed over MPM though, must have nothing to complain about :P
[00:17] <apachelogger> ^^
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> at any rate, I've already blasted a review in the past and I don't really care enough now to do it again: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/a-review-gone-wrong/
[00:17] <Riddell> valorie: how was the session?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> s/I did how/I did like how/g
[00:17] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[00:18]  * apachelogger fonldes the Riddell
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: no u
[00:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently rolling is somewhat off the table
[00:18] <Riddell> mm, fonldesing
[00:18] <apachelogger> instead 6 month cadance with reduced supportness
[00:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm?
[00:18] <yofel> well, it's yet another proposal
[00:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: this is from a canonicalite or xubuntu wishlist?
[00:19] <apachelogger> mikah and rick worked that idead out
[00:19] <yofel> nobody sent something to ubuntu-devel yet
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I do have the Ubuntu software store apps showing up in muon though: http://i.imgur.com/nJsOQ8y.jpg
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> that was the easy part
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> just parse a bit of json
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> they just can't be installed :s
[00:40] <isaque> Hi, I'm a long term kde user and after reading Riddell 's post today, I would like to know if you have a path to follow in the near future, regarding Canonical's position.
[00:43] <Riddell> isaque: no it's all still being discussed
[00:45] <isaque> Is there a place to join and help in the discussion?
[00:50] <Riddell> isaque: here's good :)
[00:50] <Riddell> isaque: ubuntu-devel has long threads
[00:51] <Riddell> I'm currently watching http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21666/community-xubuntu-contingencies/ from today
[01:02] <Riddell> isaque: what's your opinion as a presumably non contributor user?
[01:04] <isaque> Riddell: I'm glad you asked. I just want a Desktop that works and doesn't brake. But that doesn't mean a desktop stuck in time.
[01:05]  * keithzg thinks that'd make a good marketing line for something: "a desktop that doesn't break; a desktop that doesn't brake" ;)
[01:05] <Riddell> isaque: what release do you use at the moment?
[01:05] <isaque> Riddel: I've seen this in Kubuntu and in a few other distros.
[01:05] <isaque> 12.10
[01:06] <isaque> But I've added the ppas for KDE 4.10
[01:06] <isaque> Riddell: At work I need to use the company's choice that means a colorful hat on it :)
[01:07] <Riddell> isaque: why do you use 12.10 + PPA and not raring?
[01:07] <isaque> keithzg: sorry, non-english speaker, so I mess sometimes with the words
[01:09] <Riddell> xnox: would I be right in thinking the only part of KDE that uses consolekit is kdm and since we use lightdm we don't need to care about the change to logind?
[01:09] <keithzg> isaque: oh, no worries, I didn't mean to make fun of you at all, I just was struck by the potential dual-meaning there :) doesn't break->doesn't crash, doesn't brake-> doesn't stop! Nice symmetry.
[01:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdm only uses it becuase I think I dropped it's patches to support consolekit
[01:10] <isaque> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download points to 12.10
[01:10] <apachelogger> well
[01:10] <apachelogger> it doesn't use it anymore :P
[01:10]  * apachelogger should go to bed
[01:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: lightdm will grow logind support and ksmserver/powerdevil have logind suppport alraedy
[01:11] <apachelogger> and kdm has neither support so that's fine too
[01:13] <isaque> Riddell: so it was just a matter of following the links :)
[01:14] <isaque> Riddell: so, I was talking about my company's choice. The desktop doesn't break (as keithzg just noticed ;)) but the KDE version is very, very old.
[01:14] <xnox> Riddell: sure. but we want a logind capable kdm in the archive once we are planning to drop consolekit from the archive.
[01:15] <xnox> apachelogger: lightdm is planned to gain logind support as pre-provided by the pam stack. No explicit logind support code in lightdm.
[01:15] <xnox> Riddell: if i find if something needs to be done with kdm, i'll simply document that.
[01:15] <xnox> and ping the right people =)
[01:16] <apachelogger> xnox: that's neat
[01:16] <apachelogger> supposedly it will work with kdm then
[01:16] <apachelogger> kdm's author was/is a big fan of pam ^^
[01:17] <apachelogger> ultimately that was his complaint with actual consolekit support in kdm
[01:17]  * apachelogger heads to bed o/
[04:37] <murthy> apachelogger: what happened to tomahawk?
[04:57] <ScottK> murthy_: shadeslayer was reviewing and as usual he got sleepy or had an exam or something.
[05:07] <ScottK> BTW, fixed Qscintilla2 uploaded.
[05:07] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[05:45] <mfraz74> I've been running Raring for about a week now and it is looking great, except that I can't seem to get desktop searching running. I have enabled Nepomuk file indexer, but it still says it isn't running.
[05:47] <mfraz74> Running qdbus org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukfileindexer /nepomukfileindexer updateAllFolders false produces Cannot find '.updateAllFolders' in object /nepomukfileindexer at org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukfileindexer
[06:38] <soee> good morning
[07:07] <ADmad_> howdy, guys the link for "12.04.2" on this page http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04.2-release should probably be changed to something better than https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/FIXME :)
[07:08] <jussi> sigh... I think I will have to reinstall :/
[07:08] <jussi> SOmethinng, somewhere is screwed and this system is close to unuseable
[07:20] <soee> :)
[08:01] <jussi> morning soee
[08:02] <soee> hi jussi 
[08:02] <soee> what happend to your system ?
[08:03] <jussi> soee: still the kwallet issues unfortunately. I boot, the wireless sits at waitring for auth, I have to delete the connection and start again. Kontact asks multiple times foe permission to use kwallet. ktp doesnt even connect anyumore. its just fecked. :/
[08:05] <soee> what version ?
[08:06] <jussi> 4.10 (upgraded this morning, no changes)
[08:06] <soee> and kubuntu v ?
[08:08] <jussi> 12.10
[08:10] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer...
[08:10] <jussi> where are you!!!
[08:18] <soee> jussi, strange i have running it without any problems
[08:26] <jussi> soee: see, I think shadeslayer was to blame... I *might* have fixed it... lets see
[08:31] <jussi> shadeslayer: you break that nightly ppa and I shall kill you :P :P
[08:36] <valorie> Riddell: sorry, I was out
[08:36] <valorie> session went OK, I think
[08:36] <valorie> I will blog about it now
[08:37] <valorie> and of course the video is available
[09:06] <Riddell> valorie: thanks so much for doing that
[09:06] <valorie> it was sorta fun
[09:07] <valorie> not as fun as *real* UDS
[09:07] <valorie> but still
[09:07] <valorie> plus: hat!
[09:09] <Riddell> a nice touch I thought :)
[09:09] <bkerensa> valorie: We need a Ubuntu Foundation ;)
[09:10] <valorie> I wish I wasn't left feeling that our special/rushed UDS wasn't to give us cranks a way to blow off steam, before they do exactly as they had planned already
[09:11] <valorie> bkerensa: yes
[09:11] <valorie> running a foundation is a lot of work, however
[09:12] <bkerensa> valorie: indeed but I'm sure people could step up
[09:12] <bkerensa> Automattic gave its trademark to the WordPress Foundation way back when to ensure that Automattic's business couldnt affect the WordPress Community's direction
[09:12] <Riddell> cor I'm making headlines again http://www.muktware.com/
[09:13] <bkerensa> Riddell: good headlines
[09:13] <bkerensa> Riddell: glad to see more people being outspoken on it
[09:13] <valorie> I haven't done my reading of ubuntu-devel yet
[09:14] <valorie> might have to wait until tomorrow
[09:14] <valorie> but good on ya Riddell for getting your personal ads and headshots out everywhere
[09:14] <valorie> :-)
[09:15] <valorie> you beat out both Linus and asiego
[09:15] <valorie> lol
[09:17] <mikhas> Well, it works because KUbuntu occupies a niche. That's why you can be as outspoken as you want. There is no business to lose, only buzz to gain.
[09:17] <mikhas> But yeah, kudos for everyone who grew a spine over the years.
[09:20] <valorie> When there is one large company largely driving development, and being nearly the sole source of funds, there are bound to be conflicts, and trouble for the community
[09:21] <valorie> these recent proposals don't seem to have unanimous support in Canonical, however
[09:21] <valorie> so maybe UDS really was useful in some small way
[09:21] <Tm_T> it was all too rushed though
[09:22] <valorie> bkerensa: how did your GSoC session go?
[09:22] <valorie> Tm_T: for sure
[09:22] <bkerensa> valorie: Uhh I was sick... I am feeling better now but something tells me when I wake tomorrow I will feel it again
[09:22] <bkerensa> s/tomorrow/today
[09:23] <valorie> I'm really wondering what was behind all this last-minute stuff
[09:23] <valorie> sorry to hear that, Ben
[09:23] <valorie> get some extra sleep
[09:23] <bkerensa> Indeed... Well I slept all day yesterday so no idea when I will get tired ;) its 1:23am now so idk 
[09:23] <valorie> ah
[09:24] <valorie> my dad's nursing home has been wracked by the flu and the norovirus both this winter
[09:24] <valorie> they all lived through it though
[10:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: can't you get rid of that COP link showing on every blog post you make in planet?
[10:17] <Mamarok> DCOP*
[10:24] <Riddell> Mamarok: I don't want it to get lonely, DCOP doesn't receive much love these days
[10:34] <valorie> Riddell: did you see http://fitoschido.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/re-an-ubuntu-community-that-is-a-community/
[10:34] <valorie> it's a reply to you
[10:34] <valorie> I can never seem to comment on your blogs either
[10:35] <Riddell> valorie: yes, I posted a comment on his blog that he's entirely misunderstood my meaning
[10:35] <valorie> cool
[10:35] <valorie> he did seem quite pissed off
[10:35] <Riddell> but it needs approval or something
[10:36] <Riddell> I'd be pissed off too if someone said "ubuntu does care about ubuntu" but that's not what I said
[10:36] <valorie> right
[10:37] <Riddell> I'd be pissed off too if someone said "ubuntu doesn't care about ubuntu" but that's not what I said
[10:37] <valorie> I haven't read planet ubuntu for yonks
[10:37] <valorie> bad me
[10:38] <Riddell> it was losing interest for me too but it's quite a good read this week :)
[10:39] <valorie> is it true that sabdfl didn't participate in UDS at all?
[10:40] <valorie> I've been only able to watch 3 sessions or so
[10:40] <valorie> i guess he talked with the CC, but that's not at all the same
[10:41] <soee> apachelogger, whats the status of this plymounth concept ?
[10:41] <valorie> omfg, someone just said the the vUDS's will be more agile!
[10:41] <valorie> gah
[10:42] <Riddell> valorie: more syncrinosity I thought :)
[10:42] <bkerensa> valorie: he did not unless he was watching from IRC... participate he did not
[10:43] <bkerensa> he didn't even keynote
[10:43] <bkerensa> ;)
[10:43] <valorie> maybe he just wanted to watch
[10:43] <bkerensa> valorie: you coming to OSCON this year? I guess Canonical is paying for the booth but no idea how thats going to work with community etc
[10:44] <bkerensa> valorie: I have come to learn he is quite the lurker :) he has popped on G+ and Reddit
[10:44] <valorie> bkerensa: do you know if there will be another CLS?
[10:44] <valorie> that's a lot more fun
[10:44] <bkerensa> valorie: yes its the weekend before UDS
[10:45] <valorie> however, if there will be a booth, it might be fun to come down for a few days
[10:45] <valorie> now that my boys have moved to CT I never get down there any more
[10:45] <bkerensa> :D
[10:45] <bkerensa> Well finally after four years I will hopefully be up in Bellingham/Seattle next month for LFNW
[10:47] <valorie> \o/
[10:47] <valorie> there is #lfnw although it isn't very active yet
[10:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: not to mention, you have to login to his blog also to comment (:
[10:48] <Tm_T> atleast I had to
[10:49] <valorie> yes, but recently I can't seem to successfully login
[10:50] <valorie> I don't mind logging in, actually
[10:56] <Tm_T> me neither, when it's sensible
[10:58] <Tm_T> I love the idea of using google/wordpress/whatever login to several services (in a sensible manner, ofcourse) instead of creating 20+ accounts
[11:01] <Riddell> that's what openid was ment to be but it never caught on
[11:01] <valorie> wordpress hates me for some reason
[11:01] <valorie> oh well
[11:01] <valorie> eyes closing, must sleeeeep
[11:02] <valorie> nighters all
[11:02] <Riddell> night night valorie 
[11:02] <Riddell> yofel: emacs24? did you ask for that?
[11:02] <yofel> not quite... I wanted to have plasmate in actually
[11:02] <yofel> and nepomuk-widgets. At least that worked
[11:02] <bkerensa> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/UbuntuFoundation
[11:02] <bkerensa> :D
[11:03] <bkerensa> "It's important for us to distinguish the philanthropic and non-commercial work that is at the heart of the Ubuntu project, from the commercial support and certification programs that are the focus of Canonical Ltd." said Mark Shuttleworth
[11:03] <Riddell> bkerensa: that never happened
[11:04] <bkerensa> Riddell: oh I know
[11:04] <bkerensa> Riddell: I just wanted to point out the irony ;)
[11:05] <yofel> Riddell: could you look at kubuntu.raring/supported to check what I did wrong?
[11:05] <yofel>   0 ? Unknown supported package: plasmate
[11:07] <Riddell> yofel: you put a * and a packagename, looks like good syntax to me
[11:09] <Riddell> yofel: is this you planning to update plasmate to 1.0?
[11:10] <yofel> well, that was kind of the idea. And I was doing a sanity check on the KDE SC package list (that's where nepomuk-widgets came from)
[11:11] <Riddell> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages is timing out for me, are the packages in and tested? can I put an announcement on kubuntu.org?
[11:12] <soee> yofel, did you decided yesterday about plymounth ?
[11:12] <yofel> Riddell: they are tested (and should all be published)
[11:12] <yofel> the timeout comes from me messing up
[11:13] <yofel> (I changed the API call in the copy script missing one option which resulted in the page now trying to show ~280 rejection messages I guess)
[11:13] <yofel> filed a bug, but couldn't yet get anyone to clean the mess up
[11:14] <Riddell> mm, how can the copying script affect what launchpad displays for a web page?
[11:15] <Riddell> ah it'll have an error box at the top of the page?
[11:15] <yofel> exactly
[11:15] <yofel> with.. ~300 errors...
[11:26] <murthy> hello everyone
[11:33] <Riddell> hi murthy 
[11:33] <murthy> Riddell: hi
[11:33] <murthy> Riddell:  Thanks for the blogs
[11:34] <murthy> shadeslayer: what happened to tomahawk
[11:36] <murthy> Riddell: 13.04 feature freeze done>?
[11:38] <Riddell> murthy: valorie has the current crown of the blogs
[11:38] <Riddell> murthy: will be this EU evening
[11:38] <murthy> Riddell: ya saw her blog
[11:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw is good too
[11:39] <Riddell> I see sabdfl has weighed in now
[11:39] <murthy> Riddell: ya
[11:40] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[11:42] <Riddell> hmm smartboyhw has also mis-read by blog, maybe that suggests I mis-wrote it
[11:42] <murthy> Riddell: the single thing?
[11:43] <murthy> Riddell: do you know the status of the tomahawk?
[11:44] <murthy> yofel: can i package libqtwitterlib-dev?
[11:44] <Riddell> murthy: I've not been keeping up on tomahawk, I thought apachelogger has mentoring you into packaging it?
[11:44] <yofel> sure you can, and it would be cool if you did. Rough packaging is in ppa:tomahawk/ppa
[11:45] <yofel> not sure if it makes sense to get an FFE for it though
[11:45] <yofel> probably not
[11:45] <xnox> Riddell: where?
[11:46] <murthy> yofel: you people didn't drop libqtweetlib-dev and libjreen-dev?
[11:47] <yofel> murthy: where?
[11:48] <murthy> Riddell: I finished and submitted the changes in my branch and asked apachelogger to merge it
[11:48] <murthy> yofel: give me the tomahawk ppa
[11:49] <Riddell> xnox: where what?
[11:49] <murthy> apachelogger:  shadeslayer did you guys change anything in tomahawk
[11:50] <xnox> Riddell: "<Riddell> I see sabdfl has weighed in now"
[11:52] <Riddell> xnox: oh, on planet
[11:52] <jussi> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Hiyas Riddel
[11:57] <smartboyhw> s/Riddel/Riddell/
[11:57] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Hiyas Riddell"
[11:58] <Riddell> tab completion is your friend :)
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell do you have tab on a Android smartphone with only ARMv6?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> murthy: not me
[11:59] <murthy> shadeslayer: ok
[11:59] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[12:02] <smartboyhw> Hmm http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228
[12:03] <yofel> well, he probably waited until everyone calmed down again a bit
[12:04] <xnox> Riddell: yeah, my planet feed updater is slow.
[12:04] <vibhav> Turbulance, turbulance everywhere
[12:05] <vibhav> Hopefully, it will be temporary
[12:06] <yofel> murthy: how give you, it's ppa:tomahawk/ppa
[12:07] <yofel> (in case you don't know yet, that URL means: ppa:<owner>/<archive> and easy to translate to the launchpad webpage)
[12:07] <murthy> yofel: oh its in tomahawk's ppa, apachelogger is part of the tomahawk dev?
[12:08] <yofel> not really, that's just the launchpad team, which he *is* a member of
[12:09] <murthy> yofel: oh
[12:12] <murthy> !libqtweetlib-dev
[12:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how's this? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/07/ubuntu-many-communities
[12:12] <Riddell> murthy: do you have changes to tokamuk packaging I should review?
[12:13] <yofel> murthy: ubottu only knows about the archive, you should look in https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk/+archive/ppa/+packages
[12:13] <murthy> Riddell: i think no, my last change was reviewed and its in tomahawk ppa
[12:14] <yofel> those packages are only syntactically correct though
[12:14] <murthy> yofel: launchpad can find the libqtweetlib-dev
[12:14] <Riddell> murthy: is it in a state to upload before feature freeze this evening?
[12:14] <murthy> Riddell: ya without two optional features
[12:15] <murthy> Riddell: which i am trying to package
[12:16] <yofel> murthy: as I said, ubottu only knows about the archive, not PPA's
[12:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell : :-D good
[12:17] <murthy> yofel: so if launchpad knows the package name , does that mean that the package is somewhere?
[12:19] <yofel> murthy: you did not look at the ppa page, did you?
[12:19] <murthy> yofel: no
[12:19] <yofel> ...
[12:19] <murthy> yofel: looking now
[12:20] <murthy> yofel: nice
[12:20] <murthy> yofel: you packaged it
[12:20] <yofel> yeah, the package is sloppy done though
[12:22] <murthy> yofel: so qtweetlib will be v0.5.0 in raring?
[12:23] <yofel> check if there's something newer
[12:24] <murthy> yofel: https://github.com/minimoog/QTweetLib#readme
[12:27] <yofel> seems like 0.5 is the last tag, so I guess that's newest
[12:30] <murthy> yofel: in that case we can just refresh it?
[12:30] <Mamarok> so no rolling releases?
[12:30] <murthy> Mamarok: really?
[12:30] <Mamarok> well, if I read shuttleworth's blog it says more or less that
[12:30] <murthy> Mamarok: gimme the link
[12:30] <Mamarok> I guess he is trying to repair some dammaghe now
[12:31] <Mamarok> murthy: see above, Riddell already posted it
[12:31] <murthy> Mamarok: very much needed now
[12:31] <murthy> Mamarok: this one ? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/07/ubuntu-many-communities
[12:32] <Mamarok> murthy: markshuttleworth.com
[12:32] <Riddell> Mamarok: who knows, all in the air
[12:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: I think he is trying to do damage control most of all, for fear that more people leave
[12:37] <Mamarok> but anyway, Kubuntu is already almost a rolling release as we publish upstream hen it comes out in the PPAs
[12:37] <Mamarok> and there are enough PPAs out there so everybody can have their machines running a "rolling distro" since ages
[12:54] <murthy> yofel: time left before freeze ?
[12:56] <murthy> apachelogger: what version of qtweetlib did latest version of tomahawk use?
[12:59] <Riddell> murthy: I'll not call freeze for another 8 hours or so
[12:59] <murthy> Riddell: nice
[13:03] <murthy> Riddell: I am trying to package qtweetlib, which is an optional package for tomahawk. the current version in tomahawk's ppa is 0.5.0 and i don't know how they got the version number. I like to know what version of qtweetlib the devs used so that i can package that version. I am trying to build from master for the mean time 
[13:04] <murthy> Riddell:  I like to know what version of qtweetlib the devs used *in tomahawk v0.6.0* so that i can package that version
[13:06] <Riddell> murthy: probably this https://github.com/minimoog/QTweetLib/archive/0.5.zip
[13:07] <Riddell> murthy: github lets you just download a zip of a tag so a few projects now just tag and leave it at that
[13:07] <Riddell> https://github.com/minimoog/QTweetLib/tree/0.5
[13:08] <murthy> Riddell: i didn't see the tag link on the right
[13:09] <murthy> Riddell: ok i will use the 0.5 version
[13:16]  * smartboyhw is scrollimg through the Canonical jobs list (LOL)
[13:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: anything good?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Finding:-P
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Xa
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Damn all the QA jobs is office-based in Taipel
[13:18] <smartboyhw> s/Taipel/Taipei/
[13:18] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Damn all the QA jobs is office-based in Taipei"
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ^
[13:20] <yofel> murthy: I'm currently trying to remember myself where that orig.tar is from
[13:20] <Riddell> yofel: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.1
[13:20] <yofel> murthy: but current tomahawk in the PPA uses that version of qtweetlib
[13:20] <yofel> \o/
[13:21] <murthy> yofel: ya its 0.5.0
[13:21] <smartboyhw> \o/
[13:21] <yofel> probably I took and auto-generated tar from github from the tag
[13:21] <yofel> *an
[13:21] <yofel> as I can't find a website for it
[13:22] <yofel> murthy: 0.5
[13:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping
[13:24] <murthy> yofel: thats right 0.5-0
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Basically you are the one still mainly posting on blogs.kde.org it seems
[13:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: hm?
[13:27] <Riddell> uh oh, my blog to clairy my other blog has got Mark replying now, ho hum
[13:27] <sheytan> apachelogger: got my email?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: replying where?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell lol
[13:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: it would appear not
[13:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: planet.u
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell congrats
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:28] <Riddell> mm
[13:29] <sheytan> apachelogger: do you have email address that can get files more than 10mb?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell turns out for one thing: This week isn't a good time to do blogging.
[13:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: don't think so
[13:30] <sheytan> apachelogger: nvm, will send you a link
[13:30] <apachelogger> I do not like people sending me thousands of megabytes to make my kmail eat all the bandwith there is :S
[13:30] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:31] <sheytan> apachelogger: it's 10.4 mb ;)
[13:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: I get some 100 mails per day, imagine only 1% being 10mb for 1 week... 
[13:33] <Riddell> sheytan: I find when I annoy apachelogger that offers of hugs and beer work best
[13:33]  * yofel sheytan should apply for membership so he gets people.ubuntu.com webspace
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Damn I should use it and I didn't (LOL)
[13:34] <Riddell> sheytan: membership meeting on sunday would fix it indeed
[13:35] <apachelogger> we have a membership meeting on sunday?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Silly question: How many times have you hugged Daniel Holbach? (LOL)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Look at channel topic
[13:37] <smartboyhw> I thought you voted for it.
[13:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: too many to count
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell LOL
[13:38]  * smartboyhw hugs Riddell
[13:40] <vibhav> smartboyhw: From my IRC logs, dholbach has hugged 561 times
[13:40] <vibhav> :O
[13:41] <shadeslayer> dholbach has a surplus of hugs
[13:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/07/test2.png
[13:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: pfft... you can never have too many hugs 
[13:41] <sheytan> apachelogger:  or http://www.sendspace.com/file/cwv3uh
[13:41] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma shadeslayer
[13:41] <kubotu> karma for shadeslayer: 21
[13:41] <apachelogger> lolwut
[13:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[13:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: ++
[13:41] <apachelogger> someone must have cheated
[13:42] <shadeslayer> or I'm just awesome
[13:42] <jussi> kubotu: karma shadeslayer
[13:42] <kubotu> karma for shadeslayer: 22
[13:42] <sheytan> Riddell: i can if you all want :)
[13:42] <jussi> apachelogger: ++
[13:42] <jussi> there you are apachelogger :)
[13:42] <jussi> kubotu: karma apachelogger
[13:42] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 26
[13:42] <shadeslayer> counting karma is silly
[13:42] <yofel> kubotu: ++
[13:42] <sheytan> apachelogger: let me know ;)
[13:43] <yofel> well, the fun one is
[13:43] <yofel> ~karma c
[13:43] <kubotu> karma for c: 351
[13:43] <shadeslayer> we should make kubotu do all the packaging
[13:43] <shadeslayer> rofl
[13:43] <jussi> yofel: hahah
[13:43] <apachelogger> well
[13:43] <shadeslayer> that's cheating
[13:43] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma smartboyhw
[13:43] <kubotu> karma for smartboyhw: 1
[13:43] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:43] <apachelogger> are you really saying I am only 15% more useful than shadeslayer
[13:43] <Riddell> sheytan: yeah, Sun 15UTC, make yourself a wee wiki page to describe your awesomeness
[13:43]  * smartboyhw has failed.
[13:43] <apachelogger> because taht is slighlty outragou
[13:43] <apachelogger> s
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep
[13:44] <yofel> smartboyhw: you're not negative, that's good :P
[13:44] <yofel> ~karma lp
[13:44] <kubotu> karma for lp: -3
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ~karma python
[13:44] <kubotu> karma for python: 2
[13:44] <apachelogger> that sounds about right
[13:44] <shadeslayer> positive? :O
[13:44] <yofel> ~karma bzr
[13:44] <kubotu> karma for bzr: -5
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we have at least one fanboy?
[13:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:44] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:45] <smartboyhw> ~karma kubotu
[13:45] <kubotu> karma for kubotu: -2
[13:45] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:45] <yofel> ~karma
[13:45] <kubotu> karma for yofel: 20
[13:45] <yofel> hm, need to do better
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ~karma Riddell
[13:46] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 19
[13:46] <smartboyhw> yay lol
[13:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[13:46] <kubotu> saving ...
[13:46] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[13:46] <apachelogger> lawl
[13:46] <yofel> rofl
[13:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: it takes ages for you to recover
[13:47] <smartboyhw> karma
[13:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[13:47] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma
[13:47] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:47] <yofel> hey!
[13:47] <kubotu> goodafternoon apachelogger
[13:47] <apachelogger> still initing
[13:47] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma c
[13:47] <yofel> ah
[13:47] <kubotu> smartboyhw has neutral karma
[13:47] <kubotu> c has neutral karma
[13:47] <apachelogger> perfect
[13:47] <yofel> :(
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer--
[13:47] <shadeslayer> what
[13:48] <yofel> apachelogger--
[13:48] <apachelogger> yofel--
[13:48] <yofel> python++
[13:48] <smartboyhw> yofel--
[13:48] <yofel> yay, now I'm the bad guy
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yofel++
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I guess we're having karma wars
[13:48] <yofel> smartboyhw--
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I don't want to take the only ... okay
[13:48] <yofel> shadeslayer++
[13:49] <jussi> as always I say...
[13:49] <jussi> shadeslayer: ++
[13:49] <smartboyhw> lpl
[13:49] <smartboyhw> s/lpl/lol/
[13:49] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "lol"
[13:49] <yofel> ah well, back to doing something productive
[13:50] <smartboyhw> YAY
[13:51] <yofel> though before that
[13:51] <yofel> lp--
[13:51] <sheytan> apachelogger: interested in doing it?
[13:53] <yofel> the hell
[13:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: I am not doing any more work
[13:54] <smartboyhw> yofel: XD
[13:55] <smartboyhw> We broke the fragile kubotu
[13:55] <smartboyhw> kubotu: Hi
[13:55] <kubotu> hello smartboyhw
[13:55] <mikhas> Riddell, and you could keep this thread going on forever now: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1232
[13:55] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:55] <yofel> kubotu: order beer for apachelogger
[13:55]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order beer for yofel
[13:56]  * kubotu gives yofel a nice frosty mug of beer.
[13:56] <yofel> mhm
[13:57] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[13:59] <apachelogger> hm
[13:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: order can of whoopass for sheytan
[13:59]  * kubotu opens up a can of whoopass on sheytan. Chuck Norris jumps out.
[13:59] <apachelogger> oh noes, chuck norris!
[14:01]  * sheytan is not afraid of Chuck
[14:01] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order Kubuntu for Dummies for smartboyhw
[14:01]  * kubotu tells smartboyhw to better use http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[14:02] <smartboyhw> .......................................
[14:02] <apachelogger> why that is old
[14:02] <smartboyhw> it IS old 
[14:03]  * smartboyhw should write a Ubuntu for Dummies or Kubuntu for Dummies
[14:10] <soee> apachelogger, what is the status of plymounth ?
[14:12] <apachelogger> I am not working on plymouth anymore
[14:12] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Who is?
[14:13] <apachelogger> I don't know.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel: You know who? Lord Voldemort?
[14:14] <yofel> chuck norris
[14:15] <smartboyhw> ok
[14:15] <yofel> apachelogger: could you guys at least throw what you have right now up somewhere so someone else could maybe look at it?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> surely someone can create nicer eye candy for plymouth ,, it looks bleak and uninviting , not a very appealing intro for new users
[14:16] <yofel> if we don't get your lightdm theme we'll have to fix the rendering of the current one
[14:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: my namesake?
[14:18] <apachelogger> it is all in bzr
[14:18] <yofel> where?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> the the plymouth devs need a better colour sense
[14:18] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings
[14:18] <yofel> ok
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell no. I'm asking you know who and you-know-who in Potter is Lord Voldemort
[14:20] <yofel> apachelogger: where's kubuntu-qtquick1-components?
[14:20] <Riddell> who is my namesake, I knew I should have trademarked it
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell bah
[14:20] <apachelogger> also bzr
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ~karma Riddell
[14:20] <kubotu> Riddell has neutral karma
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Ah!?
[14:21] <yofel> ah, was looking at the wrong place
[14:30]  * ScottK just did all the uploads for the qscintilla2 transition.
[14:31] <ScottK> That should unblock the 4.10.1 bindings that are still in raring-proposed.
[14:31] <Riddell> great
[14:31] <shadeslayer> okay so I've added kde-full to the auto-upgrade-tester
[14:31] <shadeslayer> so that we can catch more bugs wrt upgrade
[14:31] <yofel> thanks for reminding me to look whether kde-full actually is what it says it is
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great
[14:36] <Riddell> yofel: is it?
[14:36] <yofel> I meant whether it actually does pull in all kde packages
[14:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: You're really the automated testing guru. You should probably join Canonical as QA Engineer.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:41] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: bad suggestion, we need him here
[14:41] <Mamarok> he is much better at Blue Systems
[14:41] <Mamarok> :)
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Mamarok: Don't you get that it's a joke?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:42] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: there was no evidence of that, next time use a wink
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Mamarok eh
[14:44] <murthy> apachelogger: the package qtweetlib is already here https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/tomahawk  . why did you ask me to drop it from tomahawk ?
[14:44] <murthy> yofel: ^
[14:45] <murthy> yofel: take a look at the branch
[14:45] <murthy> yofel: sorry ppa
[14:45] <murthy> yofel: so can we copy the package?
[14:46] <yofel> looks to me like it's the same package as in the other ppa
[14:46] <murthy> yofel: ya, its also available for raring
[14:47]  * smartboyhw thinks he will want to be a member of ~blue-shell.....................
[14:47] <murthy> yofel: so can you copy the packages  jreen and qtweetlib
[14:47] <yofel> murthy: no
[14:47] <murthy> yofel: why not?
[14:47] <yofel> or copy where?
[14:48] <murthy> yofel: to unstable ?
[14:48] <yofel> what unstable?
[14:48] <murthy> yofel: why i need to build a package if it is already built 
[14:49] <yofel> murthy: we want it in the archive
[14:49] <yofel> for that it needs cleanup and review and sponsoring
[14:49] <murthy> yofel: what cleanup?
[14:50] <murthy> yofel: since time is limited, can we cleanup later?
[14:54] <yofel> murthy: what the package needs at least, is the correct ubuntu maintainer set, and a filled out copyright file
[14:54] <yofel> that's not optional
[14:54] <yofel> better package descriptions too, the current ones are junk
[14:55] <yofel> murthy: was tomahawk uploaded?
[14:55] <yofel> that's more important
[14:56] <murthy> yofel: don't know, the changes are here https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu
[14:56] <murthy> yofel: ask apachelogger
[14:57] <apachelogger> yofel: no
[14:57] <apachelogger> as no approach was given on the libexec issue
[14:57] <yofel> how about putting it in /usr/lib/tomahawk-libexec/ ?
[14:59] <apachelogger> tomahawk/libexec is more future proof I reckon
[14:59] <yofel> fine with me
[14:59] <apachelogger> and on a related note, if we make it go to lib/tomahawk/libexec/ perhaps moving the non-shared libs (plugins?) in lib/tomahawk/
[14:59]  * yofel is trying to do too many things at the same time -.-
[15:00] <yofel> file a bug upstream
[15:01] <smartboyhw> yofel calm down
[15:02]  * yofel makes some coffee
[15:04] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, we don't tell ppl to calm down , that's not the way to get along 
[15:04] <smartboyhw> kubotu: give yofel a cup of coffee
[15:04] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj sorrrrry
[15:04]  * smartboyhw neess to improve
[15:09]  * yofel sips
[15:09] <yofel> better
[15:09] <smartboyhw> yay
[15:09] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:35] <jussi> hjhh
[15:37] <yofel> apachelogger: I fail to see what's wrong with the current plymouth theme - except that we don't have a matching lightdm theme
[15:38] <yofel> apachelogger: can one somehow make plymouth fade into lightdm?
[15:38]  * yofel wonders why "black" is an invalid background color in grub
[15:38] <apachelogger> you can make lightdm fade in
[15:39] <apachelogger> e.g. start of lightdm with the same background plymouth left off with then fade other stuff in
[15:40] <apachelogger> as long as the VT handoff between plymouth and lightdm is fluent you'll then get an appearance as if lightdm faded into plymouth
[15:40] <yofel> hm
[15:40]  * yofel installs this on his nvidia machine
[15:45] <BluesKaj> nvidia FTW !
[15:47] <smartboyhw> AMD FTW
[15:47] <BluesKaj> well, ati/amd has more trouble with drivers than nvidia , in my experience
[15:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:48] <apachelogger> proprietary software is great
[15:48] <apachelogger> we should have more of it
[15:49] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: LOL
[15:49] <shadeslayer> actually, the open source radeon drivers are pretty good
[15:51] <lordievader> shadeslayer: Are they good on the 3d level too?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> I haven't checked
[15:52] <shadeslayer> not sure how to
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Still downloading TF2
[15:52] <lordievader> glxgears? Believe that is usually the biggest complaint about the open-source drivers, 3d-support.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> rofl
[15:53] <shadeslayer> isn't glxgears 2D only?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> I get 60 fps with glxgears
[15:53] <shadeslayer> and I don't think it's taxing
[15:53] <lordievader> Could be. Hmm perhaps not a good test then..
[15:54] <yofel> glxgears is no test
[15:54] <shadeslayer> TF2 would be a good benchmark
[15:54] <yofel> these days all it does is tell you your monitor refresh rate
[15:54] <shadeslayer> because I got a shitty FPS
[15:54] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:54] <yofel> you could try nexuiz too
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Need to get 883 MB of archives.
[15:55] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:55] <BluesKaj> fglrx-glxgears
[15:56] <BluesKaj> is 3D
[15:56] <BluesKaj> in the terminal it's  fgl_glxgears
[15:57] <shadeslayer> I'll need to install fglrx :(
[15:57] <BluesKaj> I recall using it with the ati onboard gpu to test 3D and compiz 
[15:58] <shadeslayer> I don't think my card has fglrx support
[15:58] <BluesKaj> it's a 6 sided cube that 
[15:58] <BluesKaj> spins 
[15:58] <lordievader> Got to remember that :)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> thru all axes
[16:05] <apachelogger> well the
[16:05] <apachelogger> n
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: are we frozen yet?
[16:05] <yofel> I hope not
[16:05] <smartboyhw> uh
[16:05] <shadeslayer> ^
[16:06] <shadeslayer> 2100 UTC
[16:06] <apachelogger> it's not like we had months and months of prep 
[16:06] <apachelogger> ah right
[16:06] <smartboyhw> good
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: libechonest 2.0.2 does not appear to be int he tomahawk ppa
[16:07] <apachelogger> which is curious seeing as >=0.6.0 deps on it
[16:10] <yofel> hmpf
[16:10] <yofel> with nvidia and no configured framebuffer I get the text splash
[16:10] <yofel> at least black integrates well with black
[16:11] <yofel> apachelogger: the kubuntu-qtquick1-components package looks fine to me.
[16:11] <yofel> i fixed a quoting issue in the grub settings
[16:11] <yofel> but otherwise the plymouth theme works
[16:11] <yofel> we can fix lightdm later
[16:11] <shadeslayer> 'later'
[16:12] <yofel> we have 2 weeks till UI freeze
[16:12] <yofel> later == not today
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ;)
[16:12] <yofel> at least the qtquick stuff has to go in today
[16:12] <yofel> or we need an FFE
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ktp stuff too
[16:13] <shadeslayer> I don't want to file paperwork for FFE
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you need to stay around so someone can upload ktp
[16:13] <apachelogger> lol
 it's not like we had months and months of prep 
[16:13] <apachelogger> :P
[16:13] <shadeslayer> don't blame me :P
[16:14] <shadeslayer> blame d_ed for doing a late release
[16:14]  * yofel fixed one thing in the qtquick copyright file
[16:14] <apachelogger> "WE NEED TO UPLOADZ TODAY, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE FREEEZE!!!!!"
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ^ yep :P
[16:14]  * yofel got his personal todo list done 2 days ago...
[16:14] <apachelogger> like in school
[16:14] <smartboyhw> Does that mean that we can't package updates of packages frok upstream
[16:14] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: bugfix is still fine
[16:14] <yofel> just new features not
[16:14] <yofel> and no new packages
[16:14] <shadeslayer> I don't think poppler is going to get updated as well
[16:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: who are you calling a frok?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> I'm calling who a what
[16:15] <apachelogger> oh smartboyhw called someone a frok
[16:15] <apachelogger> autocompletion fail right there
[16:15] <smartboyhw> yofel but then for example Calligra can still be updated to newer versions..
[16:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: sure
[16:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: until final freeze
[16:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Sorry I was meaning from...
[16:16] <apachelogger> excuses
[16:16] <apachelogger> first calling people names and then saying it was a typo
[16:16] <apachelogger> outragous!
[16:16] <smartboyhw> yofel: At final freeze I would be testing a lot
[16:16]  * apachelogger bored
[16:16] <apachelogger> tomahawk building is sooooooooooooooooo slow
[16:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: It's true....
[16:16]  * yofel feels like calling apachelogger a frok if he doesn't upload the qtquick stuff
[16:16] <yofel> someone remind me to apply for motu when the mess is over
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ^
[16:17] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: you remind me, I'll remind you
[16:17] <smartboyhw> yofel: I will:-P
[16:17] <apachelogger> yofel: I don't do no nothing regarding artwork I saied yesterday
[16:17] <yofel> ...
[16:17] <yofel> Quintasan: please upload https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-qtquick1-components
[16:18] <smartboyhw> Someone remind me to apply for ~kubuntu-dev in summer...
[16:19] <yofel> sure
[16:19] <smartboyhw> Thx yofel
[16:19] <yofel> someone will do it when he's fed up with sponsoring your packages ^^
[16:20] <shadeslayer> yep ^
[16:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:20] <shadeslayer> that's the trick to getting upload rights to anything
[16:20] <apachelogger> until someone is fed up with sponsoring one does not get to be kubuntu-dev anyway
[16:20]  * smartboyhw will make sure that either Riddell or yofel will get fed up
[16:20] <apachelogger> since no one has sufficient drive to attend the meeting and stuff :P
[16:21] <smartboyhw> apachelogger I know:-P
[16:21]  * shadeslayer throws some java at apachelogger so he gets fed up
[16:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Well, he schedules meetings when people can't come.
[16:21] <apachelogger> i.e. there is not any sort of obligatino to attend or vote or stuff 
[16:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, that too
[16:21] <apachelogger> so that will be a showstopper as well ^^
[16:22] <smartboyhw> I thought it was the DMB who was holding the meetings...
[16:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: y is everyone bitching about java?
[16:22] <yofel> smartboyhw: kubuntu-dev is approved by kubuntu-dev
[16:22] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: kubuntu-dev is autocrat
[16:23] <yofel> so it'll be us reviewing your application
[16:23] <smartboyhw> Oh…
[16:23] <apachelogger> though in policy terms kubuntu-dev is tasked by the dmb to appoint kubuntu-devs
[16:23] <smartboyhw> Oh no...........
[16:23] <apachelogger> so, outsourced
[16:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Correct.
[16:23] <ScottK> I think tasked/delegated, but yes.
[16:24] <ScottK> Of course I get a vote either way ;-)
[16:24] <apachelogger> delegate sounds more like a policyword, doesn't it ^^
[16:24] <smartboyhw> Meeting time problems will kill my Kubuntu life......
[16:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger it is..............
[16:24] <apachelogger> we should have more meetings at 7am utc, we really should :P
[16:24]  * smartboyhw cries
[16:25] <smartboyhw> I haven't even left school yet by that time.....
[16:25] <apachelogger> the thing is since we'll never reach quorum we'd have to postpone the meeting all the time
[16:25] <apachelogger> thus creating a never ending supply of 7am meetings
[16:26]  * smartboyhw is wondering can't the KC people use online private votes for these  ...... (Or ~kubuntu-devs)
[16:26] <apachelogger> until a quorum is reached by having a sufficient amount of people attend some event in hawaii or something
[16:26] <apachelogger> actually sounds fun
[16:26] <apachelogger> ALSO
[16:27] <apachelogger> I just noticed that I have no clue what timezone hawaii is in
[16:27] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:27] <apachelogger> I litterally have no understanding of what time it may be over there
[16:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: time Honolulu
[16:28] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[16:28] <apachelogger> pff
[16:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: time hst
[16:28] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[16:28] <apachelogger> u kidding me?
[16:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: help time
[16:28] <kubotu> usage: time <timestamp|time zone|nick> -- timestamp: get info about a specific time, relative to your own time zone | time zone: get local time of a certain location, <time zone> can be '<Continent>/<City>' or a two character country code | nick: get local time of another person, given they have set their location | see `~help time set` on how to set your location
[16:29] <apachelogger> >>> dpkg-deb -c ../build-area/tomahawk_0.6.0*deb |grep libexec
[16:29] <apachelogger> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2013-03-07 17:17 ./usr/lib/tomahawk/libexec/
[16:29] <apachelogger> -rwxr-xr-x root/root   5156568 2013-03-07 17:17 ./usr/lib/tomahawk/libexec/tomahawk_crash_reporter
[16:29] <apachelogger> yofel: ^
[16:29] <yofel> \o/
[16:29] <apachelogger> so I'd go with that and encourage upstream to a) introduce versions for *actual* shared libraries
[16:29] <apachelogger> namely libtomahawk
[16:29] <apachelogger> and a cmake var to change the path for plugins
[16:30] <apachelogger> so we can put gtalk/twatter/whathaveyou into /usr/lib/tomahawk/
[16:30] <yofel> ack
[16:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: seen https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/+merge/151132 ?
[16:34] <smartboyhw> Wow the latest Kubuntu Developer is approved a full year ago....
[16:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: time for some new blood?
[16:34] <yofel> you and murthy are the first new people we have in quite a while...
[16:34] <yofel> that decided to stick around for longer then a week or two
[16:36] <smartboyhw> ..... ...
[16:36] <shadeslayer> heh, yeah
[16:37] <apachelogger> It's because I don't mentor anymore :P
[16:38]  * yofel remembers apachelogger's mentorship
[16:38] <yofel> *shudder*
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ^
[16:39] <yofel> well, the result was good though ^^
[16:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger is the reason my sleep cycle is screwed up
[16:39]  * yofel -> dinner
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:39] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: why?
[16:41] <smartboyhw> ......
[16:42] <murthy> yofel: where to push the changes for qtweetlib ?
[16:42] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: too old and bitter
[16:43] <murthy> apachelogger: i guess i finished qtweetlib 
[16:43] <BluesKaj> sometimes ignorance is bliss :)
[16:43] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: uh....
[16:44] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: lol
[16:44] <murthy> apachelogger: where to push the changes for qtweetlib ?
[16:46] <murthy> I am running out of time
[16:47] <apachelogger> murthy: some branch
[16:47] <apachelogger> I don't think we'll maintain it in bzr though
[16:47] <apachelogger> i.e. you could also upload to some ppa and tell me
[16:47] <Riddell> cor, a Kubuntu fan newspaper site http://paper.li/TheBlueMint/1320202429
[16:47] <murthy> apachelogger: no just for verification
[16:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool
[16:48] <apachelogger> even better, review of rarign alpha
[16:48] <ScottK> Nice
[16:48]  * apachelogger reads
[16:48] <murthy> apachelogger: shall i load just debian/* ?
[16:48] <Riddell> hmm, this is less cool http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/jonathon-riddell-others-not-subtle-in-attacks-against-ubuntus-new-approach-paradigm/
[16:49] <apachelogger> murthy: doesn't matter
[16:49] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[16:49] <Riddell> I think I should sue for defamation or something
[16:49] <Riddell> cos of the photo
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: or jus task them to change it
[16:50] <ScottK> Oh, the photo.
[16:50] <ScottK> The text seems pretty reasonably done.
[16:50] <apachelogger> "And my request to the developers is to please provide some pre-installed good KDE themes along with 7-8 attractive Kubuntu specific wallpapers."
[16:50] <apachelogger> ^ that is a point that comes ever so often
[16:51] <apachelogger> "As mentioned in the bugs section, I wasn't able to download any application from the repository. But, Firefox installer worked smoothly and I could install Firefox. "
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is qapt busted?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> ?
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've had that sort of request, it's always a case of more artwork vs another language pack though
[16:51] <apachelogger> I think that is the second time I hear about installation not working in raring
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't need to be tens of megabytes of artwork I reckon
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> ff installer and the wallpaper installer both use qapt-batch...
[16:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: at the end of the day I could argue that we neither need artwork nor wallpapers nor language packs as all three of those are ubereasily installed in the respective KCMs anyway
[16:53] <ScottK> Except for the languages can give you a system you understand with no network.
[16:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.at/2013/03/kubuntu-1304-alpha-2-review-works-well.html
[16:54] <apachelogger> see bug ssection
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> must have broken his apt config
[16:55] <apachelogger> yeah, blame the user :P
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> well, that's what the error is saying...
[16:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: no network in general will leave you with a very limited system
[16:55] <apachelogger> no proprietary drivers or codecs for instance
[16:56] <ScottK> We have the proprietary wifi drivers on the ISO so people don't end up stuck.
[16:56] <apachelogger> I mean in the case where you actually have no access to network at all
[16:57] <yofel> proprietary drivers...
[16:57] <apachelogger> "I must say that I am highly impressed with what I saw in the alpha 2 release. I am sure the bugs that I faced, would be resolved by beta 1 release."
[16:57] <yofel> does someone know where that jockey post-distro-install hook is?
[16:57] <apachelogger> curious, I find raring very raw right now
[16:58] <apachelogger> can't put my finger on why though
[16:58] <yofel> I always see it searching for drivers when I SHUT DOWN after the first boot
[16:58] <apachelogger> yofel: has been broken for ages
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:58] <yofel> I know... but it looks ugly
[16:58] <yofel> so we should at least kill it
[16:58] <yofel> and it's confusing
[16:58] <yofel> and makes no sense
[16:58] <apachelogger> wasn't it like an autostart file actually
[16:59] <apachelogger> which made the issue rather confusing when I tried to look into it
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah it was an autostart on like a 60 second delay
[16:59] <apachelogger> /etc/xdg/autostart/jockey-kde.desktop
[16:59] <apachelogger> Exec=sh -c "test -e /var/cache/jockey/check || exec jockey-kde --check 60"
[16:59]  * yofel adds yet another todo for the weekend
[16:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thing is, I have never actually seen it come up at all
[17:00] <apachelogger> like popping up in the systray "yo, do you want these here drivers"
[17:00] <apachelogger> I always had to manually start it
[17:00] <yofel> right, it only pops up at logout
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> I've not run a system with proprietary hardware in 3 or 4 years, so I've not seen it period
[17:00] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:00] <yofel> WFM, yay...
[17:01] <yofel> well, can't blame you then though
[17:01] <shadeslayer> 'proprietary hardware'
[17:01] <murthy> apachelogger: launchpad rejects the package without the orig tar
[17:01] <murthy> apachelogger: I dont know how to add it
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> coincidentally, I've not touched jockey-kde in 3 years :P
[17:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Somehow I seriously doubt you can find eagle schematics for your Motherboard on the internet :P
[17:01]  * yofel ponders 'proprietary shadeslayer'
[17:01] <yofel> still haven't seen the code for the qa page ^^
[17:02] <shadeslayer> funny you should bring that up
[17:02] <murthy> yofel: help
[17:02] <shadeslayer> I'll be pushing that tonight
[17:02] <yofel> murthy: ?
[17:02] <murthy> yofel: i am not able to put my changes anywhere
[17:03] <murthy> yofel: how do i add the orig tar to the changes file
[17:03] <yofel> murthy: put it like... in lp:~murthy/+junk/foo
[17:03] <yofel> murthy: debuild -S -sa
[17:03] <shadeslayer> I just need to make sure I don't accidentally push the AWS keys
[17:03] <yofel> -sa force-inlcudes the original source
[17:04] <murthy> yofel: ok
[17:04] <murthy> yofel:  +junk   ?
[17:05] <murthy> yofel: in bazaar?
[17:05] <yofel> murthy: +junk stand for branches without a project
[17:05] <yofel> *sands
[17:05] <yofel> ........
[17:05] <murthy> yofel: ok i will try that
[17:05] <yofel> *stands
[17:05] <yofel> murthy: or really just put it in a ppa, then he can just dget the whole thing
[17:07] <murthy> yofel: i do that, but first i will put it in bazaar so that it will be easy to verify
[17:08] <murthy> apachelogger: yofel https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/qtweetlib
[17:09] <murthy> Riddell: time left before feature freeze?
[17:10] <murthy> yofel: shall i package libjreen?
[17:11] <yofel> if you have time, it's in the same location as qtweetlib
[17:11] <yofel> only needs cleanup as well
[17:11] <Riddell> murthy: four hours I guess
[17:12] <murthy> Riddell: ok
[17:12] <murthy> yofel: ya
[17:12] <Riddell> https://twitter.com/avanceit  I like these people "We're really impressed with Kubuntu 12.10. Gradually migrating our PCs over to it from Ubuntu 10.04LTS. Looking forward to the next LTS!"
[17:12] <murthy> very nice
[17:13] <murthy> yofel: so if i finish soon, can we add both these to tomahawk?
[17:13] <yofel> murthy: as long as someone can upload, yes
[17:14] <murthy> yofel: ok
[17:15] <murthy> yofel: is this right ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1152255
[17:15] <yofel> should be fine for now. Usually needs-packaging bugs should state the license and a link to the upstream project too
[17:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: checkout lp:~kubuntu-dev/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-testing in a bit
[17:17] <shadeslayer> okay pushed
[17:19] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-updates needs implemeting
[17:19] <shadeslayer> *implementing
[17:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: implemeeting!
[17:21] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:21] <shadeslayer> auto-upgrade-tester is fairly complicated though, I might juju it
[17:22] <shadeslayer> though I have no idea how to get the status whether a upgrade failed or passed
[17:22]  * yofel might give debugging that chroot backend a try again at some point
[17:22] <shadeslayer> actually, try the LXC backend
[17:23] <shadeslayer> you can theoretically mount it in tmpfs and get upgrade testing within 5 minutes
[17:23] <shadeslayer> or so someone said at the QA meeting
[17:23] <yofel> good point
[17:24] <yofel> seems like that would solve the problems, as it doesn't share proc etc.
[17:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: tomahawk in raring new if one of you has time
[17:28] <apachelogger> yofel: did you review tweetlib?
[17:28] <yofel> not yet, can do now
[17:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: yay!
[17:28] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[17:28] <apachelogger> yofel: plz
[17:30] <apachelogger> hm
[17:30] <yofel> murthy: better description pleeze
[17:30] <yofel> Description: qtweetlib - doesn't tell me much
[17:30] <apachelogger> yofel: why did you make it lib1.0?
[17:30] <murthy> yofel: ya, i had that in mind
[17:30] <yofel> apachelogger: SONAME is 1.0
[17:30] <yofel> (IIRC)
[17:31] <murthy> yofel: other than that, the copyright file particularly 
[17:31] <apachelogger> libfoo1.0.0 still leads to package libfoo1
[17:31] <yofel> no
[17:31] <yofel> SET( QTWEETLIB_SONAME ${QTWEETLIB_MAJOR_VERSION}.${QTWEETLIB_MINOR_VERSION} )
[17:31] <yofel> -> /usr/lib/libQTweetLib.so.1.0
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh my that is a lot of source files
[17:32] <apachelogger> good lawd
[17:32] <murthy> :)
[17:33] <apachelogger> SET_TARGET_PROPERTIES( QTweetLib PROPERTIES
[17:33] <apachelogger>     VERSION ${QTWEETLIB_VERSION}
[17:33] <apachelogger>     SOVERSION ${QTWEETLIB_SONAME}
[17:33] <apachelogger> yofel: ah, very true indeed
[17:33] <apachelogger> curious though
[17:33] <murthy> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~murthy/+archive/test
[17:33] <yofel> *shrug*
[17:33] <yofel> attica does the same
[17:33] <murthy> apachelogger: the package is my ppa
[17:34] <apachelogger> then again why one needs that many source files to access twitter is also beyond me
[17:34] <yofel> heh
[17:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: that was like one of bloody hell good statement
[17:35] <yofel> Quintasan: which one?
[17:35] <Quintasan> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community
[17:35] <yofel> ah, heh
[17:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: aww thanks :)
[17:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/+merge/151132 ?
[17:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll get to it later today
[17:37] <apachelogger> go
[17:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: feature freeze later today :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that affected by feature freeze? Oo
[17:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: shrug, may as well get it in before to be on the safe side
[17:39] <Riddell> ferai: new nick?
[17:39] <yofel> murthy: copyright is incomplete
[17:39] <murthy> yofel: checking
[17:40] <yofel> qjson/ is missing at least Copyright (C) 2009 Pino Toscano <pino@kde.org> and Copyright (C) 2009 Michael Leupold <lemma@confuego.org>
[17:40] <apachelogger> ohm
[17:40] <apachelogger> doesn't matter
[17:40] <yofel> really?
[17:41] <apachelogger> more concerning is the fact that copyright lists gpl2+, gpl3+ and lgpl2.1(+)
[17:41] <apachelogger> but only a copy of latter is present
[17:41] <yofel> oh
[17:41] <apachelogger> oh
[17:41] <apachelogger> and
[17:41] <apachelogger> eh
[17:41] <apachelogger> source copy of json?
[17:41] <apachelogger> *qjson
[17:41] <yofel> seems so
[17:42] <murthy> so should i update copyright?
[17:42] <apachelogger> second thing that makes it not qualified for incluson I guess
[17:42] <apachelogger> murthy: might as well
[17:42] <apachelogger> yofel: on a general note though, listing all copyright holders is IMO excessive policy chasing
[17:43] <apachelogger> getting the main ones of the library itself ought to be the target
[17:43]  * yofel didn't write it...
[17:43] <yofel> well
[17:43] <apachelogger> yofel: nah, wrt your complaint
[17:43] <yofel> ah
[17:43] <apachelogger> I mean it makes sense since that is a source copy
[17:43] <apachelogger> so a different product really
[17:43] <yofel> well ok, they are hard to notice as they only appear once
[17:43] <apachelogger> ah
[17:44] <apachelogger> yeah I'd not include them then :P
[17:44] <apachelogger> or at least not consider it any issue
[17:44] <apachelogger> copyright files tend to get out of date real quick anyway, so trying to grasp the important information is the primary target IMO
[17:45] <yofel> well, so we're left with missing license copies as largest issue, beside those ^ and the junk description
[17:46] <apachelogger> awww, split :(
[17:47] <yofel> grrr, just as I need shadeslayer
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> I'm still here
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> :>
[17:48] <yofel> the hell
[17:48] <yofel> anyway
[17:48] <murthy> yofel: updated debian/copyright , push to the branch, do you want me to upload to my ppa?
[17:48] <yofel> shadeslayer_: you hardcoded yourself in the defaults.cfg...
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> I know
[17:49] <shadeslayer_> fix it 
[17:49] <yofel> murthy: branch is faster
[17:49] <murthy> yofel: done
[17:49] <yofel> apachelogger: what about the license copies? repackage?
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> yofel: playing with the lxc backend are you?
[17:50] <yofel> shadeslayer_: that was the idea ^^
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> does it require any memory if you just use the normal HDD?
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> instead of tmpfs
[17:50] <yofel> I'll tell you once I actually get a run done
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> ack
[17:51] <apachelogger> yofel: repack would be an option
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> I have precise on my VPS, which does not have python-lxx
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> *lxc
[17:51] <apachelogger> upstream needs to be informed though
[17:52] <apachelogger> ALSO if you repack .... see if the qjson source copy can be removed
[17:52] <apachelogger> it appears to only be used sometimes as there is also cmake/findjson
[17:52] <apachelogger> so it should be save to remove I guess
[17:54] <yofel> it doesn't actually look for it though
[17:55] <yofel> oh
[17:55] <yofel> nvm, I'm blind
[17:55] <yofel>   1 FIND_PACKAGE( QJSON REQUIRED )
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> working on Kubuntu does that to you
[17:55] <apachelogger> yofel: I suppose it uses the finder with cmake and the copy with qmake
[17:55] <apachelogger> finding stuff with qmake is  not fun at all
[17:58] <yofel> right, builds perfectly fine if I wipe src/qjson/
[17:59] <apachelogger> perfect, strip it in the repack then
[18:04] <yofel> shadeslayer_: seems like it's keeping the data in /var/lib/lxc/
[18:05] <shadeslayer_> okay, and?
[18:05] <shadeslayer_> as long as it doesn't take more than 10 GB's I can run it on the VPS
[18:05] <yofel> running now, had to restart it because us.archive.ubuntu.com is utterly slow in europe
[18:05] <shadeslayer_> heh ofcourse
[18:06] <shadeslayer_> I can't run it locally because it'll be insanely slow
[18:08] <Riddell> yofel: are you doing plasmate 1.0 or shall I?
[18:08] <yofel> Riddell: take over if you want, people constantly distract me
[18:08] <apachelogger> yofel: what's with artwork btw :P
[18:09] <Riddell> yofel: ok I'll see if I can do it without people distracting me
[18:09] <yofel> apachelogger: works fine for me with the stuff that I fixed, so IMO fine to upload
[18:09] <yofel> heh
[18:09] <apachelogger> gl with that then :P
[18:09] <apachelogger> plymouth still crap though
[18:09] <yofel> it works...
[18:09] <apachelogger> so does the present stuff
[18:09] <yofel> the present stuff looks ugly with the blue login screen
[18:09] <apachelogger> what we could do is go back to black background with logo
[18:10] <yofel> which looks ugly too, but we can at least make it not so bad
[18:10] <apachelogger> and dots or a bar or a circle thing
[18:10] <apachelogger> or simply have the glow appear and disappear
[18:10] <yofel> "or simply have the glow appear and disappear" - that would work too
[18:10] <apachelogger> ...that would actally align with the changes I have to the livecd...
[18:10] <yofel> possible better than what we have now
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> news thumbnail of the day: http://i.imgur.com/dqiuas9.png
[18:12]  * shadeslayer_ braces for launchpad emails
[18:12] <apachelogger> ballmer's my hero
[18:14] <xnox> Riddell: yofel: shadeslayer_ : apachelogger: there will be ubiquity upload before FF.
[18:14] <xnox> in preparation now.
[18:14] <apachelogger> xnox++
[18:14] <yofel> \o/
[18:14] <shadeslayer_> huzzah?
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> Is it relevant to us?
[18:15] <xnox> shadeslayer_: considering that amount of kde frontend patches kubuntu folks merged, it is ;-)
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> ah :)
[18:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: agateau's ui changesa
[18:15] <apachelogger> do you even read the mailing list? Oo
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> I thought they already landed
[18:16] <apachelogger> which reminds me that we need to align the firefox installer
[18:16] <apachelogger> meeeeeeh
[18:16] <yofel> eeeh
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> meow
[18:16] <yofel> why is the qtweetlib packaging copyright GPL-3+
[18:18] <yofel> apachelogger: can we relicense that without asking Groo or can one omit the license copy for that
[18:19] <ScottK> yofel: No and No.
[18:19] <yofel> ok, but where do I put the license copy if debian/* is the only thing that uses it? add it as a patch?
[18:21] <apachelogger> highvoltage: http://jonathancarter.org/how-to-spell-jonathan/ <- love it ^^
[18:21] <apachelogger> yofel: add the copy in debian/?
[18:21] <highvoltage> :D
[18:21] <xnox> ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/Breadcrumb.py:70: undefined name 'QtCore'
[18:21] <apachelogger> yofel: the packaging is contained as debian.tar.gz ontop of the source anyway
[18:22] <apachelogger> so the copying will be part of the content that is licensed using it
[18:22]  * xnox fixes it up...
[18:23] <Riddell> xnox: ooh that one was moaning about it being unecessary at some point so I removed the import
[18:23] <Riddell> thanks for fixing
[18:23] <xnox> Riddell: can you double check please https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/5854
[18:24] <xnox> damnit, typo.
[18:24] <Riddell> xnox: from PyQt import QtCore
[18:24] <Riddell>  -> Bfrom PyQt4 import QtCore
[18:25] <xnox> Riddell: refresh the page =)
[18:25]  * xnox did push --overwrite.
[18:25] <Riddell> lovely
[18:25] <xnox> Riddell: ok, thanks.
[18:25]  * xnox wants to send angry automated emails, when pyflakes fails =)
[18:36] <yofel> meh
[18:36] <yofel> now: lp:~yofel/+junk/qtweetlib and http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/tmp/qtweetlib_0.5+repack1.orig.tar.xz
[18:36] <yofel> apachelogger: ^
[18:37] <murthy> test building jreen
[18:37] <apachelogger> yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv
[18:38] <yofel> that would work
[18:39] <apachelogger> ScottK, shadeslayer_, Riddell etc. etc. ^
[18:39] <murthy> apachelogger: this is cool
[18:40] <shadeslayer_> yofel: how goes the lxc?
[18:40] <yofel> crashed
[18:40] <shadeslayer_> lol?
[18:40] <shadeslayer_> what happened?
[18:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: very classy
[18:40] <yofel> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/yofel/dump/auto-upgrade-testing/share/profiles/kubuntu/kde-full'
[18:40] <shadeslayer_> wat
[18:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: this tomahawk in New doesn't have qtweet
[18:43] <Riddell> or libjreen-dev
[18:43] <apachelogger> I know
[18:43] <Riddell> is it coordinated with murthy?
[18:43] <apachelogger> we wanted it in first
[18:43] <apachelogger> the two libs are not in the archive
[18:43] <apachelogger> so a tomahawk with not all features by feature freeze seemed better than having to FFe entire tomahawk *and* the libs
[18:44] <shadeslayer_> yofel: that sounds weird
[18:44] <murthy> apachelogger: going to upload the changes for jreen
[18:44] <apachelogger> afk, will be back in an hour or two
[18:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: binary files fail http://paste.kde.org/689762/
[18:45] <yofel> shadeslayer_: the file is not there
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> yofel: that makes no sense
[18:46] <yofel> shadeslayer_: did you bzr add it?
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> why would it need the kde-full file?
[18:46] <yofel> no idea
[18:46] <yofel> was busy with qtweetlib
[18:46] <murthy> Riddell: wait
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> heh
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> yofel: I'll have a look at the lxc thing in a couple of minutes
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> on your machine
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> :P
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> yofel: did you make lxc put the container in /home/yofel?
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> because / is on the SSD
[18:48] <Riddell> murthy: I rejected that one, please upload without the .dll files
[18:48] <yofel> shadeslayer_: I didn't run it there. And for testing I would use the SSD anyway
[18:49] <yofel> so just use the defaults
[18:49] <shadeslayer_> k
[18:49] <murthy> Riddell: why to remove .dll files?
[18:49] <shadeslayer_> murthy: dll's dont' comply with the DFSG standard
[18:49] <murthy> shadeslayer_: so i have to modify the source dir?
[18:50] <murthy> Riddell: apachelogger have to take a look at that
[18:51] <murthy> Riddell: I am sure about what you are talking about. Are you talking about the debian/* stuff or source stuff?
[18:52] <ScottK> yofel: You don't need to put the full text of GPL-3 in the package because it's in usr/share/common-licenses.  Just the normal up front boilierplate in debian/copyright is all thats needed.
[18:53] <Riddell> murthy: remove the admin/win and admin/mac directories
[18:53] <yofel> ScottK: ok, removed again
[18:55] <murthy> Riddell: but that is modifying source
[18:56] <Riddell> murthy: then so be it
[18:56] <murthy> Riddell: ok
[18:56] <Riddell> rename it to tomahawk_0.6.0repack1.orig.tar.bz2 or similar
[18:56]  * Riddell out for a bit
[19:03] <murthy> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/jreen
[19:05] <yofel_> shadeslayer_: in case you haven't noticed yet. AdditionalPkgs expects a filename where it reads the list of packages from, not a list of packages
[19:18]  * Darkwing mutters
[19:19] <Quintasan> hdasudahsdu
[19:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: Feature Freeze yet?
[19:19] <Darkwing> there you are.
[19:20] <Quintasan> yeah
[19:20] <Quintasan> yofel: Don't lock the db pls
[19:20] <Quintasan> :P
[19:20] <yofel> nope, I'm leaving my hands off this for the rest of the day
[19:21] <Quintasan> okay
[19:21] <Quintasan> :D
[19:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: There is one problem
[19:21] <Quintasan> im-config has no Maliit support unless upstream uploaded the patch I send him and we synced the new version
[19:23] <yofel> shadeslayer_: weird, now I'm getting no space left on device errors
[19:27] <Quintasan> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:28] <Quintasan> There is no way I can merge this im-switch -> im-config change
[19:28] <Quintasan> We will probably have no way to use Maliit unless we patch the package right after the release.
[19:29] <murthy> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/tomahawk-repack-raring
[19:30] <Quintasan> murthy: Riddell is out unfortunately
[19:30] <ScottK> Quintasan: Sounds like a bug fix to me.
[19:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: I was about to message you
[19:30] <murthy> Quintasan: ya
[19:31] <Quintasan> Can we like switch to im-config and patch it right away after release?
[19:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: I've sent patch to upstream and he still did not close the bug -> he didn't apply the patch yet
[19:34] <Quintasan> I'm against making the switch if it does not work since we need Maliit to use plasma active
[19:35] <ScottK> By after release, do you mean after feature freeze?
[19:35] <Quintasan> More or less
[19:36] <ScottK> Yes.  No problem.
[19:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: Either way I'm against doing that since we can't use Maliit with PA3
[19:36] <Quintasan> oh
[19:37] <Quintasan> I see. If we can patch this then I will merge and upload
[19:41] <murthy> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~murthy/+archive/test
[19:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm merging and uploading, if something breaks horribly I'm the one to blame
[19:42] <murthy> yofel: did you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/jreen
[19:43] <yofel> not yet
[19:43] <Quintasan> Why are we all working on new features before feature freeze :D
[19:43] <murthy> yofel: so tomahawk will support the two features?
[19:51] <yofel> murthy: someone with upload permissions will have to review
[19:51] <yofel> I need to take care of something else
[19:51] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:52] <Quintasan> ScottK,Riddell: Merged and pushed, if something breaks -> blame me
[19:52] <Quintasan> bbl
[19:55] <murthy> i am a sitting duck
[20:08] <murthy> yofel: shall i goto bed?
[20:09] <murthy> !ta
[20:18] <ScottK> murthy: Sleep is for the weak.
[20:23] <murthy> ScottK: seems everyone is away, there is no use for me here
[20:24] <ScottK> There is that.
[20:24] <ScottK> me is supposed to be working at $DAYJOB.
[20:24] <ScottK> s/me//me/
[20:24] <kubotu> ScottK meant: " is supposed to be working at $DAYJOB."
[20:24] <ScottK> Almost worked.
[20:24] <ScottK> s/me/\/me/
[20:24] <kubotu> ScottK: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[20:25] <murthy> ~time
[20:25] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[20:26] <murthy> ~time set Asia/Kolkata
[20:26] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that murthy is on the Asia/Kolkata time zone
[20:26] <murthy> ~time
[20:26] <kubotu> Asia - Kolkata - Fri Mar 08 01:56 IST
[20:27] <ScottK> ~time
[20:27] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[20:27] <yofel> ~time set Europe/Berlin
[20:27] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that yofel is on the Europe/Berlin time zone
[20:27] <ScottK> ~time set North America/New York
[20:27] <kubotu> North_America/New_York is an invalid time zone. Format is <Continent>/<City> or a two character country code.
[20:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[20:27] <kubotu> Europe - Vienna - Thu Mar 07 21:27 CET
[20:27] <ScottK> ~time set US/New York
[20:27] <kubotu> US/New_York is an invalid time zone. Format is <Continent>/<City> or a two character country code.
[20:27] <apachelogger> hm
[20:27] <ScottK> ~time set America/New York
[20:27] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that ScottK is on the America/New_York time zone
[20:27] <soee> hi
[20:27] <ScottK> Because "America" is a continent.
[20:27] <apachelogger> lawl
[20:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: time North America/New York
[20:28] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[20:28] <apachelogger> curious indeed
[20:28] <apachelogger> well then
[20:29] <apachelogger> let's reboot work then
[20:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think murthy needed some sponsoring.
[20:29] <apachelogger> murthy needs to learn to do repacks
[20:30] <apachelogger> murthy: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html
[20:30] <murthy> apachelogger: ya
[20:31] <Quintasan> back
[20:31] <Quintasan> >Given the extreme success of Unity on non-Ubuntu distributions I’m positively optimistic that we will never have to do the evaluation of the second question.
[20:31] <Quintasan> Yet another brilliant statement
[20:31] <murthy> apachelogger: so can you finish the tomahawk work? jreen and qtweetlib are complete
[20:32] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:32] <apachelogger> are we frozen yet?
[20:32] <murthy> i think not
[20:35] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFF
[20:36] <Quintasan> yes
[20:36] <Quintasan> finally I manage to connect to the core
[20:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: welcome
[20:43] <Quintasan> Feature Freeze few hours ahead == best time to work
[20:43] <ScottK> Hurry.
[20:44] <ScottK> Slangasek is writing the freeze announcement mail.
[20:44] <Quintasan> lol
[20:45] <Quintasan> I PUSHED MY CHANGES
[20:48] <apachelogger> -.-
[20:49] <apachelogger> don't rush me
[20:49] <apachelogger> murthy: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/tomhawk/revision/9 that's what your change should have looked like btw
[20:49] <murthy> achecking
[20:51] <apachelogger>   Uploading tomahawk_0.6.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[20:51] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[20:51] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: ^
[20:51] <ScottK> Excellent.
[20:52] <murthy> nice
[20:52] <apachelogger> murthy, yofel: was tweetlib repacked or what?
[20:52] <ScottK> It just has to be uploaded in time.  New processing can happen after FF with no problem.
[20:52] <murthy> apachelogger: no
[20:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: unless it does not get through new ^^
[20:52] <ScottK> No, you get a retry.
[20:52] <ScottK> It's OK.
[20:52]  * Quintasan thinks he could try doing plasma-widget-redshift
[20:52] <apachelogger> which is entirely possible with tomahawk if Riddell did not look beyond source check
[20:52] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:52] <Quintasan> ScottK: How many minutes do I have?
[20:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok <3
[20:52] <ScottK> 8
[20:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: last I checked redshift segfaulted
[20:53] <Quintasan> BRB
[20:53] <Quintasan> oh
[20:53] <Quintasan> not doing it then
[20:53] <apachelogger> quantal I think
[20:53] <ScottK> Or until slangasek sends out his mail.
[20:53] <apachelogger> may work in raring, dunno
[20:53] <Quintasan> don't want to ship broken stuff
[20:53] <murthy> apachelogger: did you copy repack.stub from a template?
[20:53] <murthy> apachelogger: did you copy repack.stub from a template?
[20:53] <murthy> apachelogger: did you copy repack.stub from a template?
[20:53] <murthy> a
[20:53] <murthy> network problem?
[20:55] <murthy> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/jreen
[20:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:55] <apachelogger> does anyone ever read the shit I link to?
[20:55] <apachelogger> if not I might as well stop
[20:55] <apachelogger> murthy: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html <------------------------
[20:55] <apachelogger> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:55] <apachelogger> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:55] <apachelogger> R - E - P - A - C - K
[20:55] <apachelogger> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:56] <murthy> ok ok
[20:56] <Quintasan> murthy: Don't worry, he is like that all the time
[20:56] <apachelogger> yofel: also of interest to you it seems ^
[20:56] <murthy>  :)
[20:56] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITtp65sUsm4
[20:57] <Quintasan> Right, tis' be another you got to be Rick Rollin' me video
[20:57] <murthy> apachelogger: did you check jreen?
[20:57] <apachelogger> no
[20:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: PING
[20:58] <murthy> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/jreen
[20:58] <apachelogger> yes
[20:58] <apachelogger> I saw it the third three times you posted the url
[20:58] <apachelogger> s/third/first/
[20:58] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "I saw it the first three times you posted the url"
[20:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[20:58]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[20:59]  * apachelogger looks at kubotu
[20:59]  * genii-around hears something about coffee and stares at kubotu as well
[20:59] <Quintasan> murthy: Look, chill, take a look at the packaging once again and try to undestand what apachelogger wants
[21:00] <Quintasan> I think we could smuggle some stuff after feature freeze if we are stealthy enough and it's of good quality
[21:00] <Quintasan> kubotu: order coffee for genii-around
[21:00]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to genii-around.
[21:01] <Quintasan> genii-around: There you go.
[21:01] <murthy> Quintasan: ok
[21:01] <murthy> apachelogger: whats your time
[21:02] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah, first time I see it...
[21:02] <Quintasan> I'd say it's something around 22:02 murthy
[21:02] <Quintasan> since he is in Austria or Germany I think
[21:03] <Quintasan> I actually have no idea where apachelogger is since he seems to be roaming permamently
[21:03] <genii-around> Quintasan: Thanks!
[21:03] <murthy> this would be the appropriate song for me now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApw_By9nE8
[21:03] <Quintasan> yofel: Don't worry, same here.
[21:03] <apachelogger> yofel: only found it by googl0ring the other day
[21:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee for genii-around
[21:03]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to genii-around.
[21:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: time apachelogger
[21:03] <kubotu> Europe - Vienna - Thu Mar 07 22:03 CET
[21:03] <Quintasan> wow
[21:03] <apachelogger> think that answers everything then
[21:03] <Quintasan> that's nifty
[21:03] <Quintasan> kubotu: time Quintasan
[21:03] <kubotu> I don't know where Quintasan is, (s)he should use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[21:04] <Quintasan> ~time set Europe/Warsaw
[21:04] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that Quintasan is on the Europe/Warsaw time zone
[21:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: time Quintasan
[21:04] <kubotu> Europe - Warsaw - Thu Mar 07 22:04 CET
[21:04] <Quintasan> yeah!
[21:04] <apachelogger> you should go to bed :P
[21:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: make it also give the time in UTC
[21:04] <apachelogger> don't want you ending up broken like shadeslayer_ :P
[21:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think it's time for you to go to bed if you require coffee
[21:04] <Quintasan> What about your policy not to go to bed before ScottK does?
[21:05] <murthy> Quintasan: the problem is i am sitting here simply and its late here. there should be a ewason for me to staly awake late
[21:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: your time in CET is UTC with offset :P
[21:05] <Quintasan> murthy: Fix the packaging
[21:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: time UTC
[21:05] <murthy> Quintasan: which one?
[21:05] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[21:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Why thanks Cpt. Obvious, why do you think everyone knows that
[21:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: you are so stupid....
[21:05] <Quintasan> murthy: The one apachelogger whines about
[21:05] <murthy> Quintasan: ask him which one
[21:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dunno, what is the point of telling the UTC time?
[21:05] <ScottK> Quintasan: I think that policy only holds when we are in the same time zone.
[21:05] <yofel> apachelogger: did someone repackage qtwl properly or do I need to do it?
[21:06] <apachelogger> qtwl
[21:06] <apachelogger> lol
[21:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: I don't really care :P
[21:06] <apachelogger> yofel: I am fine with the presented repack
[21:06] <yofel> good ^^
[21:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can you PRECISELY tell murthy which package is so bad you linked him to the repackaging guide three times?
[21:06] <Quintasan> I'm willing to help if it's really hard.
[21:06] <apachelogger> ohm
[21:06] <apachelogger> tomahawk
[21:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: Besides he broke it once so I don't think it holds any longer
[21:07] <ScottK> There is that.
[21:07] <apachelogger> he only repacked two thingies and only one I uploaded :P
[21:07] <Quintasan> The second one is tomahawk
[21:07] <murthy> Quintasan: the package was repacked, now why are we talking about that
[21:08] <Quintasan> murthy: I think you did the repackaging in a wrong way
[21:08] <murthy> apachelogger: two?
[21:08] <Quintasan> Hence he linked you to repackaging guide
[21:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I also once did not go to bed at all and then got sent to bed by jussi, then missing wrap up party 
[21:08] <maco> apachelogger: remember that time we were in a car Riddell was driving, and i had to teach you the american term for that handle over the dor?
[21:08] <maco> s/dor/door/
[21:08] <kubotu> maco meant: "apachelogger: remember that time we were in a car Riddell was driving, and i had to teach you the american term for that handle over the door?"
[21:09] <Quintasan> jussi: Tell me, how did you make apachelogger do something?
[21:09] <apachelogger> also I think rbelem was being drugged that evening
[21:09] <murthy> Quintasan: i bookmarked his link already, so?
[21:09] <Quintasan> murthy: Christ, use it to repack the tarball
[21:09] <apachelogger> as he was also his usual sleepy self even though he actually went to bed the night before
[21:09] <Quintasan> murthy: He linked you to the guide so read it and apply the knowledge in practice
[21:09] <apachelogger> budapest was a weird uds I tell ya
[21:10] <apachelogger> maco: oh yes
[21:10] <Quintasan> murthy: if you did the repack correctly he wouldn't be pasting the same link three times
[21:10] <apachelogger> good thing we survived that
[21:10] <apachelogger> I am still ridden by nightmares though 
[21:10] <Quintasan> maco: Is there a special term for that?
[21:10] <maco> Quintasan: i'll tell you out of channel as its an irc rules violation
[21:10] <murthy> Quintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/tomhawk/revision/9
[21:11] <apachelogger> it's not that bad a term :P
[21:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_ uses worse language ona  daily basis in here
[21:11] <murthy> Quintasan: check revision 8
[21:11] <murthy> Quintasan: check revision *9
[21:13] <apachelogger> qtwl had incorrect maitainer
[21:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: uhhh, so what is wrong with that tomahawk magic?
[21:14] <apachelogger> W: qtweetlib source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.2 (current is 3.9.4)
[21:14] <Quintasan> since from what I can see here the stub file does the repack magic
[21:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that's mine
[21:14] <Quintasan> so
[21:14] <Quintasan> why won't you upload that?
[21:14] <apachelogger> I DID UPLOAD THAT
 Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/tomahawk-repack-raring
 murthy needs to learn to do repacks
 murthy: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html
 murthy: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/tomhawk/revision/9 that's what your change should have looked like btw
[21:16] <Quintasan> SO WHAT'S THE DAMN PROBLEM Xd
[21:16]  * Quintasan is lost
[21:16] <Quintasan> I don't really get it
[21:18] <apachelogger> that no one is teaching murthy how to do a repack
[21:18] <murthy> apachelogger: not now certainly 
[21:19] <murthy> apachelogger: in the morning
[21:19] <apachelogger> you have all the information
[21:19] <murthy> ??
[21:19] <apachelogger> just try to repack the original tomahawk using the debian guide I linked you
[21:19] <murthy> apachelogger: can you do that?
[21:19] <apachelogger> you can do that whenver you feel lik eit
[21:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:20] <apachelogger> murthy: I am trying to tell you how to learn it
[21:20] <apachelogger> I already did it
[21:20] <murthy> apachelogger: set aside my tutorial, lets concentrate on the feature-freeze
[21:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You do realise you are sometimes not clear enough
[21:20] <Quintasan> ?
[21:21] <apachelogger> I am also not mentoring
[21:22] <Quintasan> Yes but you are also sometimes not making it clear what is it that you want someone to do.
[21:22] <apachelogger> I am often enough unclear because to me a lot of things appear obvious out of context
[21:23] <apachelogger> yofel, murthy:
[21:23] <apachelogger> W: libqtweetlib-dev: possible-unindented-list-in-extended-description
[21:23] <apachelogger> W: libqtweetlib-dev: wrong-section-according-to-package-name libqtweetlib-dev => libdevel
[21:23] <Quintasan> Whatever the reason for that is you could try fixing that
[21:23] <Quintasan> at least be more specific
[21:23] <apachelogger> please run lintian on binaries before asking for sponsorship
[21:24] <yofel> bah
[21:24] <murthy> apachelogger: my point is i have done changes qtweetlib and jreen which were missing for supporting 2 features of tomahawk which we removed yesterday. I request you to use the  jreen and qtweetlib changes and also enable them in tomahawk and finilise everything before the freeze  
[21:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: do you want me to throw packages at the archive or write books about repacking sources? :P
[21:24] <murthy> apachelogger: i ignored those warnings
[21:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I want you to clearly tell people what you want them to do precisely and if it's not clear enough why they should do it then also tell them WHY should they do it.
[21:25] <Quintasan> So I don't feel like an idiot trying to translate from apachelogger-ish to murthy-ish
[21:26] <Quintasan> When it turns out it's not really "WE REALLY HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE FEATURE FREEZE AND PEOPLE DON'T ACCEPT MY WORK BECAUSE OF SOMETHING" problem
[21:27] <apachelogger> murthy: I want you to read http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html and then try to do the tomahawk repack as I did it using the changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/tomhawk/revision/9 if you have questions ask in here, preferrably Quintasan.
[21:27] <Quintasan> murthy: Next time, you don't really ignore warnings unless you have a good reason to do so.
[21:28] <murthy> Quintasan: the reason was to get the change as soon as possible for review
[21:28] <apachelogger> Also everyone: I want you to not freak out like the world is coming to an end. We are going into feature freeze, perfectly normal and there is a policy in place to introduce features even past feature freeze if we need to do so.
[21:28] <murthy> Quintasan: i have the lintian logs
[21:29] <Quintasan> murthy: This is not a valid reason to ignore warnings
[21:29] <murthy> Quintasan: you can see how long it took for someone to check that
[21:29] <Quintasan> murthy: it's because it's evening in some parts of the world, people are busy before Feature Freeze
[21:29] <murthy> Quintasan: its 3 am here
[21:30] <murthy> Quintasan: and i can't accept tomahawk with features missing
[21:30] <Quintasan> murthy: Nor we can upload it to archive when it contains non free elements
[21:30] <Quintasan> murthy: The policy is to remove the non free elements before you can upload a package
[21:30] <apachelogger> murthy: Quality comes first. Always. When we start rushing things we make mistakes and when we make mistakes things break on millions of systems, we'd better not do that :)
[21:31] <Quintasan> what apachelogger said.
[21:31] <Riddell> hi
[21:31] <murthy> apachelogger: why didn't you package the two libs before?
[21:31] <Riddell> maco: what's the term for the handle over the door?
[21:31] <Quintasan> lol
[21:31] <Quintasan> murthy: Because he was busy or something
[21:31] <apachelogger> murthy: that's the question isn't it? ;)
[21:31] <apachelogger> point being I did not package tomahawk for the archive, so I am not the person who can answer that ^^
[21:32] <Quintasan> murthy: More importantly, are you going to do it or not?
[21:32] <murthy> apachelogger: you asked me to do the debian/copyright which i did on time
[21:32] <apachelogger> I did not do anything
[21:32] <apachelogger> I am not mentoring. 
[21:32] <apachelogger> I am also not blaming anyone, I am simply pointing out issues I find in my review....
[21:32]  * Quintasan would like to note this is not the best time to raise the "Y X DIDN'T DO ANYTHING" flag
[21:33]  * maco headdesk
[21:33] <maco> folks, code reviews exist for a reason
[21:33] <apachelogger> pointless flag anyway
[21:33] <maco> you don't want to know the git snafu i had to work out a few weeks ago
[21:33] <maco> we all screw up
[21:34] <apachelogger> exactly
[21:34] <apachelogger> finger pointing is not helping to prevent it nor resolve the present problem
[21:34] <murthy> apachelogger: I can't do the repacking, can you do it?
[21:34] <Quintasan> Hmmm
[21:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You did upload tomahawk in a state that is considered "well made package", right?
[21:35] <apachelogger> murthy: I am handling it all from this point on.
[21:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes
[21:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Good.
[21:35] <murthy> apachelogger: thats all i want
[21:36] <Quintasan> murthy: I believe he wants you to do that so you know how to do it properly next time
[21:36] <Quintasan> You don't really have to do it RIGHT now
[21:36] <apachelogger> learning by doing, exactly
[21:36] <murthy> Quintasan: thats good, but not at this time
[21:37] <Quintasan> murthy: Then go to bed and do it when you feel like doing it
[21:37] <Quintasan> If you don't feel like doing it then don't but don't expect you will be able to do it properly on your second try
[21:37] <Quintasan> Unfortunately that's how it works.
[21:37] <murthy> Quintasan: so will tomahawk 0.6.0 will be available in raring with twitter and jabber support?
[21:38] <apachelogger> yofel: the qtwl description is real crap
[21:38] <yofel> I know, but murthy didn't improve it, and I only made it not totally suck.
[21:38] <yofel> for anything else my mind is too fried today
[21:38] <Quintasan> murthy: jabber support is jreen, right? what is the library which supports twitter?
[21:38] <yofel> Quintasan: qtweetlib
[21:39] <yofel> i.e. qtwl
[21:39] <murthy> Quintasan: ya
[21:39] <apachelogger>   Uploading qtweetlib_0.5+repack1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[21:39] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[21:39] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: ^
[21:39] <Quintasan> do we have those libraries in raring? I assume not yet
[21:39] <Quintasan> oh
[21:39] <Quintasan> We do
[21:39] <apachelogger> yofel: wouldn't know what to write there anyway
[21:39] <Quintasan> murthy: Rule of a thumb, if it's free software we can upload it if someone packages it
[21:39] <apachelogger> but right now it reads like a readme ^^
[21:39] <yofel> I took that from some README I think
[21:40] <apachelogger> so it reads just right ^^
[21:40] <Quintasan> murthy: if it's not entirely free software we can upload it but we have to get rid of non free elements before we upload it
[21:40] <apachelogger> yofel: maybe look if other distros have it packaged and borrow their description
[21:40] <apachelogger> that usually works well
[21:40] <apachelogger> well then
[21:40] <apachelogger> moving on to jreen
[21:40] <Quintasan> murthy: If Twitter support library was non free then we would have to cut it out
[21:41] <Quintasan> murthy: but seeing that those two libs are fine we just have to package them and upload them and build tomahawk with those libs
[21:41] <murthy> Quintasan: it was already packaged for raring in a ppa
[21:41] <Quintasan> someone correct me if I'm talking crap
[21:42] <Quintasan> murthy: PPA pacakge != repository package
[21:42] <Quintasan> murthy: You can upload a package with no copyright to PPA (though I don't think you should do that) but archive admins will reject the package
[21:42] <Quintasan> murthy: TBH PPA
[21:42] <apachelogger> basically archive packaging has higher quality standards
[21:43] <Quintasan> PPA's are generally test grounds here
[21:43] <Quintasan> Means the packaging is not necessarily of highest quality.
[21:43] <murthy> i know that
[21:44] <murthy> but stripping we can ignore not crucial things right?
[21:44] <murthy> *we can ignore not crucial things right?
[21:44] <Quintasan> what do you mean by not crucial
[21:45] <Quintasan> murthy: Let me tell you, unfortunately copyrights take priority over everything else.
[21:45] <Quintasan> takes*
[21:46] <apachelogger> yofel: jreen packaging is gpl2+ lib is lgpl2+
[21:46] <murthy> Quintasan: i mean lintian warnings like spelling mistakes
[21:46] <apachelogger> yofel: you made the same mistake, muhahaha :P
[21:46] <Quintasan> murthy: Well you can omit that but that's really easy to fix and having typos in packages is not really professional, is it?
[21:46] <apachelogger> murthy: spelling mistakes can be crucial
[21:46] <apachelogger> at the very least you want to inform upstraem
[21:47] <yofel> apachelogger: it has gpl-2+ too
[21:47] <apachelogger> in that case the copyright is wrong
[21:47] <murthy> Quintasan: see what is posted was work in progress, which i did it intentionally
[21:47] <apachelogger> ah
[21:47] <apachelogger> no 
[21:47] <apachelogger> I see
[21:47] <apachelogger> yofel: true, sorry
[21:47] <apachelogger> yofel: did you repack jreen too?
[21:47] <yofel> I did not
[21:47] <yofel> didn't even look at it today
[21:48] <murthy> Quintasan: i want people to review after which i planned to remove those warnings
[21:48] <apachelogger> yofel: nevermind
[21:48] <apachelogger> we are in luck
[21:48] <apachelogger> jreen has source copies from 3rdparties
[21:48] <apachelogger> "luck"
[21:48] <apachelogger> anyway, one of them contains an lgpl copy
[21:49] <apachelogger> yofel: do you want to remain debian/control maintainer in the archive upload?
[21:49] <yofel> not particulary
[21:50] <Quintasan> murthy: While I can't stop you from doing that, I generally don't like that practice because noone is able to read your mind unless you say it out loud like "I know there are typos there but I want you to check the dependencies " and whatnot
[21:51] <Quintasan> murthy: copyright > quality (yes, spelling mistakes included) > everything else
[21:52] <BarkingFish> Evening all :)
[21:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: policy compliant building > copyright... (if it ain't building it's no good even with a perfect copyright file :))
[21:53] <BarkingFish> I don't suppose anyone here would have a copy of the installation files for 3.8.0-2-generic please?  I need to install it, and it's been taken out of the repos and deleted :(
[21:54] <apachelogger> shoudl be on launchpad
[21:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Then again, if you don't have copyright then you are not going to have in it repositories
[21:55] <apachelogger> W: libjreen-dbg: wrong-section-according-to-package-name libjreen-dbg => debug
[21:55] <apachelogger> W: libjreen-dbg: empty-binary-package
[21:55] <apachelogger> yofel, murthy: ^
[21:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are definitely not going to have it in the repos if it is not building :P
[21:56] <murthy> Quintasan: one thing i can say is that you miss understood me. I am not in a position to explain myself at this time
[21:56] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, checked launchpad - i was directed there last night by bjsnijder in #ubuntu+1, that's where it's been deleted from.  The only thing left are source files, and my PC won't build a kernel, it would take till christmas. Next year :)
[21:56] <yofel> what the hell
[21:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:57] <yofel> apachelogger: that makes no sense in all sorts of ways
[21:57] <yofel> neither does rules...
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: it does, --dbg-package was missing
[21:58] <yofel> yeah, right
[21:58] <yofel> just...
[21:58] <yofel> how did I miss that
[21:58] <yofel> *sigh*
[21:58] <murthy> I am going to bed now, see you all later. 
[21:58] <apachelogger> easy to forget and it's not a lintian error unfortunately
[21:58] <Riddell> thanks for your packaging murthy 
[21:58] <apachelogger> murthy: nini
[21:59] <yofel> 'night murthy
[21:59] <apachelogger> are we frozen yet?
[21:59] <murthy> Riddell: thank you very much
[21:59] <murthy> apachelogger: gn
[21:59] <murthy> yofel: gn
[22:00] <murthy> apachelogger: i will lean about repacking first thing in the morning
[22:00] <apachelogger> murthy: no hurry :)
[22:00] <apachelogger>   Uploading jreen_1.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[22:00] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[22:00] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: ^
[22:01] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: isn't -2 insanely old?
[22:02] <apachelogger> don't see -2 actually
[22:02] <BarkingFish> yeah, but there was a native wifi driver for the ar5523 in it, and 3.8.0-2-generic was where it first worked, and where it last worked.
[22:02] <apachelogger> only 2.6
[22:02] <BarkingFish> When 3.8.0-3-generic came out, it died
[22:03] <BarkingFish> yeah, 2.6 is the one I need.  It was the only -2 which appeared iirc
[22:03] <apachelogger> if I find the binaries on launchpad I won't tell you :P
[22:03] <BarkingFish> and apparently it's still in launchpadlibrarian, adam_g in #ubuntu-kernel just found it :)
[22:04] <BarkingFish> i'm mystified. last night it'd gone.
[22:04] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaaaand found them :P
[22:05] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux -> publishing history -> search for version -> click version -> click architecture desired -> loads and loads of debs
[22:06] <BarkingFish> right, well i have the image and the headers, i just have to find the image-extra now and the other one I forget about :D
[22:09] <apachelogger> hah
[22:09] <apachelogger> tomahawk ftbfs
[22:09] <apachelogger> /build/buildd/tomahawk-0.6.0+dfsg/thirdparty/breakpad/common/linux/safe_readlink.cc:35:51: fatal error: third_party/lss/linux_syscall_support.h: No such file or directory
[22:09] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:10] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhh rm thirdparty/breakpad/third_party
[22:30] <BarkingFish>  gotta reboot to go install some fixes to my system. back in a tick :)
[22:32] <apachelogger> jreen landed in new 5 minutes before freeze
[22:32] <apachelogger> haha
[22:35] <apachelogger> OTOH no one worked on artwork so that is not in
[22:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Artwork is another freeze, isn't it?
[22:37] <apachelogger> the stuff that we currently have also has new code and an entire package with c++ attached
[22:37] <ScottK> Sounds like someone should write a nice FFe for me to approve then.
[22:37] <apachelogger> first someone probably needs to implement my proposed plymouth splash :S
[22:38]  * apachelogger fixes tomahawk
[22:42] <apachelogger> actually
[22:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you could look at jreen and qtweetlib I could pick those up as builddeps in the upload
[22:42] <apachelogger> i.e. get them out of new
[22:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Unfortunately I have to go cook dinner.  Perhaps tomorrow if Riddell doesn't get to them first.
[22:43] <apachelogger> ok, uploading dfsg1 then
[22:44] <apachelogger>   Uploading tomahawk_0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[22:44] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[23:03] <BarkingFish> well i'm not sure what's going on here, apachelogger - i suspect that the ar5523 driver wasn't broken by the kernel - i'm gonna do a fresh install of 13.04 beta and put the 3.8.0-2 kernel back in.  It's not working as it stands atm.
[23:03] <BarkingFish> i suspect something else updated in the mean time has messed up the system so that the driver doesn't work anymore.