[00:12] <darkdragon-001[A> qt creator gives me the warning that Ubuntu.HUD module is missing. Which package do I have to install? How do I install those qt5 modules? Via apt-get?
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[01:48] <bcurtiswx> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-pagestack.html that example doesn't work
[01:48] <bcurtiswx> maybe i'm missing something
[01:53] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: when you say it doesn't work......
[01:53] <ali1234> what exactly do you mean>
[01:54] <krabador> well, after the last 2 days UDS, what's abount community plans for ubuntu-touch?
[01:54] <ali1234> heh
[01:54] <ali1234> complicated :)
[01:55] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, trying to get some page navigation but haven't found a good example to show all part of it's implementation
[01:55] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: can you narrow it down? what doesn't it do that you expect it to do?
[01:56] <ali1234> the documentation is a bit lacking currently for sure... but that's just the way it is unfortunately
[01:56] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, all im looking for is an example or maybe different documentation that shows how to implement page navigation
[01:57] <ali1234> well, for now all i can recommend is that you look at the upstream QML docs
[01:57] <ali1234> i'm not 100% sure what you mean by "page navigation"
[01:58] <ali1234> what is important though, is a thorough understanding of QML
[01:58] <ali1234> because ubuntu components is really only a layer on top of that, and most of this stuff comes straight from the source
[01:59] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, i'm growing familiarity with object oriented languages, and I've looked at QML docs, was just looking to see if anyone had tackled something similar. thanks :)
[01:59] <ali1234> don't get me wrong, i am probably familiar with what you are trying to do... just a matter of symantics
[02:00] <mhall119> krabador: are you interested in the Touch interface itself, apps for it, internal mobile enablement stuff?
[02:00] <krabador> mhall119, internal mobile enablement stuff,
[02:01] <habstinat> Is there a way to power the phone off from SSH rather than from adb? I know you can do "adb root" but I'd prefer something that I can do while connected to my phone remotely
[02:01] <habstinat> Er, s/root/reboot
[02:02] <krabador> mhall119, i trust enough on canonical developers, about graphic stuff, and despite fonts issues, i tried on my samsung i9100 with great pleasure
[02:02] <ali1234> habstinat: shutdown -h now seems to work for me
[02:02] <ali1234> shutdown -r now if you want to reboot
[02:06] <krabador> mhall119, from the first day of the image release, many user proposed to port ubuntu touch on many devices, and they appeared on wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, but the truth about it is that many of them are simply people who have followed the porting guide of the wiki
[02:07] <krabador> mhall119, and many webzines immediately reported that "ubuntu community are working on devices" or "xda developers are working with canonical to port devices"
[02:07] <selena2013> well it wont work on my q88 android tablet
[02:12] <krabador> mhall119, xda are a great community with great people, a collaboration it would be a really good thing, i only want to know if something is planned to let it become true
[02:12] <mhall119> krabador: what isn't true about it?
[02:13] <mhall119> my understanding is that XDA developers are working on these ports
[02:14] <ali1234> i am not affiliated with XDA :P
[02:14] <ali1234> reaching out to that community is extremely interesting though
[02:17] <krabador> mhall119, i followed xda forums and wiki.ubuntu.com from the first day, and i can assure you that many "developers" on the ubuntu wiki, are xda forum users who have followed the porting guide, opening an xda thred continually asking help on building newbies problems
[02:17] <mhall119> ali1234: but I'm pretty sure they're already actively involved in these ports
[02:18] <ali1234> oh for sure... but so am i :)
[02:18] <mhall119> krabador: so what can we do to get the more experienced XDA developers involved?
[02:18] <krabador> mhall119, i don't know :)
[02:18] <ali1234> will be tricky
[02:18] <krabador> mhall119, it's that my question
[02:18] <mhall119> ah, ok
[02:19] <ali1234> if you can solve this problem it willbe a huge boon for ubuntu
[02:19] <ali1234> because there are some extremely smart people on XDA
[02:19] <krabador> ali1234, yes surely.
[02:19] <ali1234> we are talking about people who disassemble windows mobile drivers for fun
[02:20] <krabador> yes, people really valid
[02:20] <ali1234> it's kind of a missed opportunity for android
[02:20] <mhall119> ali1234: and those people aren't already involved?
[02:20] <ali1234> mhall119: beats me, i don't read XDA
[02:21] <ali1234> but it's about more than just gettng them involved
[02:21] <mhall119> I'll check with daniel tomorrow, he was leading the porting outreach
[02:21] <ali1234> because they are involved in android also
[02:21] <mhall119> ali1234: oh? what more should there be?
[02:21] <ali1234> from ubuntu? i have no idea
[02:21] <ali1234> but the problem i see it the thing i raised during plenary
[02:22] <ali1234> there is definitely a different culture there
[02:22]  * mhall119 wasn't there for the plenaries
[02:22] <mhall119> can you repeat it for me?
[02:22] <ali1234> so i asked jerdog this question "XDA is famous for GPL drama. do you forsee a culture clash?"
[02:22] <mhall119> GPL drama?
[02:22] <ali1234> if you;re not familiar with what i mean, google for anthrax kernel
[02:23] <ali1234> see GPL violations mailing list
[02:23] <ali1234> XDA has some really smart people... but they don't like to share
[02:23] <ali1234> or, not all of them anyway
[02:23] <ali1234> and the users... are kind of happy with that
[02:23] <ali1234> not really in line with the FOSS movement
[02:24] <ali1234> i don't really have a problem with this - it's just the way it is *shrug*
[02:25] <mhall119> so they are distributing binaries against the GPL?
[02:25] <ali1234> tl;dr anthrax kernel pulled the same trick as sveasoft did with openwrt, if you are familiar with that
[02:25] <ali1234> basically, yes
[02:25] <ali1234> they got banned from XDA for it
[02:25] <ali1234> but... rules don't make a community
[02:26] <ali1234> you can't legislate cooperation
[02:26] <mhall119> no, but GPL is a legally binding contract, so you can't exactly just violate it because you want to
[02:26] <ali1234> for sure
[02:26] <ali1234> but the thing is... XDA is not coming from the same background as typical FOSS developer
[02:27] <ali1234> i mean you would not see people getting banned from ubuntu forums for GPL violation... it just wouldn't happen
[02:27] <mhall119> well the would if the persisted in using the forums to violate it
[02:27] <krabador> i thinked, but i'm only a simply user, that canonical community and xda developers can meetup, and assign work to developers, and after people can help them
[02:27] <ali1234> this isn't a problem with XDA
[02:27] <mhall119> but you're right, it's not the kind of problem we have
[02:28] <ali1234> because they have clamped down on it
[02:28] <ali1234> but... the very fact that they had to clamp down on it, says something about the commnity there
[02:28] <mhall119> krabador: assign work to the XDA developers?
[02:29] <ali1234> anyway it's not a huge problem... it's just something i find personally interesting
[02:29] <krabador> mhall119, assign work to developers who want to do
[02:29] <mhall119> that's not how it typically works with community, we can provide a list of things that need doing and provide documentation and resources to do it, but assigning is unusual
[02:31] <ali1234> this is something i've seen happen with raspberry pi too... the raspbian GPL drama...
[02:32] <ali1234> i think it stems from inexperienced developers who are following the example set for them by OEMs
[02:32] <ali1234> so ubuntu has a chance to be a very positive influence
[02:32] <krabador> mhall119, yes, but for example in xda, all roms developers tipically chose a device
[02:33] <ali1234> well, positive if you are a GPL idealist :)
[02:34] <ali1234> and i mean inexperience in the sense of everything except hacking, which they are obviously very good at
[02:34] <krabador> yes
[02:39] <krabador> in wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, there's a list of devices with "the manteiner"  to the right of all of them
[02:40] <ali1234> yes...
[02:40] <ali1234> those are incomplete ports
[02:40] <krabador> if the risk that many of them are inexperieced, in some case totally (as the GS3)
[02:40] <ali1234> well... i'm totally inexperienced and my port is in the "mostly works" table above :)
[02:40] <krabador> ubuntu communty can meeting about it
[02:41] <ali1234> nexus 4,7, 10 and galaxy nexus are supported... anything else, you get to keep the pieces if it breaks
[02:41] <krabador> ali1234, you're a really interested mantainer
[02:41] <ali1234> ironically... no
[02:41] <ali1234> you'll be lucky to see an update from me
[02:41] <krabador> some in the list are vanished
[02:42] <ali1234> if someone specifically asks for help taking over the port i'm totally available to help them
[02:42] <krabador> ali1234, it's enough
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[02:45] <krabador> if ubuntu touch was an hacker team project, nobody MUST done nothing for nobody, and all right
[02:45] <ali1234> sure
[02:45] <ali1234> been there, done that :)
[02:46] <krabador> since ubuntu touch not only is a canonical product, but its more ambitious
[02:46] <ali1234> ambitious is understatement :)
[02:47] <krabador> yes
[02:50] <krabador> i only want to said that it's not properly good, and "professional", that list of porting , sometimes announced on many webzines, in the end are manteined by newbies...
[02:50] <ali1234> i am a total newb seriously
[02:51] <ali1234> i never compiled cyanogen before :/
[02:51] <habstinat> Er, looks like I somehow accidentally got the tablet interface on my Nexus 4 through messing around
[02:51] <ali1234> you can;t expect anything more from unofficial ports
[02:51] <ali1234> i don't even know if my patches break anything
[02:52] <habstinat> It wouldn't boot, so I went in via adb and ran qml-phone-shell and got, among other things, a login screen and now everything is all small and teblet-y
[02:52] <krabador> ali1234, yes, it's all righ, for unofficial ports, but with all the announcements of the last days, i think that people would expect a little bit more
[02:53] <ali1234> i feel like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjR-YS-4bk
[02:53] <krabador> something a little more "organized"
[02:54] <krabador> hahahhahahahhahaha
[02:55] <krabador> ali1234, and now you're a cat?
[02:56] <ali1234> whut? no, all the people who expect me to fix all the things on SGS are now cats :)
[02:56] <ali1234> i have no idea what i am doing :)
[02:58] <krabador> ali1234, i tried ubuntu touch on i9000 too, and it's really great, and a  light year more promising than i9100
[02:59] <ali1234> yep, those i9100 guys had problems
[02:59] <ali1234> honestly i was lucky i had i9000 - it was easy
[02:59] <ali1234> it just worked
[02:59] <krabador> A LOT, ALL i9100 guys....
[03:00] <krabador> cm10.1 build are not properly supporting i9100, it's in nightly
[03:00] <ali1234> it's a totally different arch...
[03:00] <ali1234> i9000 is like the number one most popular CM phone... so it works pretty well
[03:01] <krabador> ali1234, yes, exynos 4210, that samsung wants to keep under lock and key forever
[03:01] <krabador> despite october annuncements of releasing sources and documentations....
[03:02] <ali1234> i noticed a pattern recently... every samsung device has serious bugs... like remote root exploits. no wonder they want to keep it secret...
[03:03] <krabador> ali1234, it was an exynos bug
[03:03] <ali1234> yeah the camera thing on exynos
[03:03] <krabador> ali1234,that affected exynos 4210 4410 4412
[03:04] <ali1234> but there's also a remote root exploit in their smart TVs, another one in their printers, and their laptops die if you set too many UEFI variables
[03:05] <krabador> ali1234, but the truth is that samsung used this for not updating galaxy note and galaxy s2 to jelly beam at christmas time
[03:06] <krabador> samsung stuff, leaving smartphones and some tv, are really bad
[03:07] <krabador> everything on pc world, branded samsung for years was the same of "shit", hd cdrw-dvdrw
[03:09] <ali1234> their smart tvs are really good
[03:09] <krabador> ali1234, only today it seems that ssd by samsung are good, it's the firs pc thing in 30 years that peaple can't call shit
[03:09] <krabador> ali1234, yes
[03:09] <ali1234> i would buy one
[03:09] <IdleOne> !language
[03:09] <ali1234> root exploit is thee, but really, who is going to exploit that? nobody
[03:10] <ali1234> the motion compensation on those things is amazing
[03:10] <krabador> ali1234, nobody, but pearhaps hacker would do something to add features
[03:10] <ali1234> it makes everything look like it was filmed in hi def 60 fps progessive
[03:10] <krabador> ali1234, maybe DRM contents read...
[03:11] <krabador> ali1234, yes, really great
[03:11] <ali1234> if you are that worried just unplug the thing :)
[03:12] <krabador> ali1234, maybe hackers can root your tv
[03:13] <ali1234> maybe, but i don't care
[03:13] <krabador> and let you to see DRM contents for free
[03:13] <selena2013> lol
[03:13] <ali1234> meh
[03:13] <ali1234> i can do that for myself if i want
[03:13] <ali1234> no need to root tv
[03:14] <krabador> ali1234, not on a koeran tv
[03:14] <krabador> ali1234, i would try it before...
[03:14] <ali1234> a guy i know bought like 4 of those korean 24" monitors
[03:14] <ali1234> apparently they are really good
[03:15] <krabador> ali1234, i know , now your friend wants to reach the North Korea for help them in experiments...
[03:15] <ali1234> hah... no, they are from south korea :)
[03:16] <ali1234> north korea is just mountains
[03:16] <krabador> ali1234, that's what can happen to you...
[03:16] <ali1234> easy to defend... hard to do anything else
[03:17] <linux2003> hi all
[03:17] <krabador> ali1234, by the way, wait for buy the tv
[03:17] <krabador> ali1234, 2013 will be the year of the smart tv
[03:18] <ali1234> smart tv doesn't really interest me... i'm more interested in how ood does the picture look
[03:19] <ali1234> and on samsung.... it looks amazing
[03:19] <krabador> ali1234, all brands will release and update hard the products
[03:19] <krabador> and, sharp, for image quality....
[03:19] <ali1234> sure... i'd rather have a pc for that stuff though
[03:19] <RobbyF> where do we get ubuntu tv
[03:20] <ali1234> good question
[03:20] <krabador> RobbyF, for now nowhere
[03:20] <ali1234> i think you have to assemble it from ppas basically
[03:20] <krabador> but really soon
[03:20] <RobbyF> is the concept a set top box?
[03:20] <ali1234> it's not officially announced like phone/tablet stuff
[03:20] <ali1234> i know they had a demo
[03:20] <ali1234> but this is what i've been told
[03:21] <RobbyF> no biggie, I have a boxeebox but I hate it.
[03:21] <ali1234> mythtv web interface ftw
[03:22] <ali1234> i run it headless and stream recordings
[03:22] <RobbyF> ubuntu touch dailys feel like there really improving.
[03:22] <ali1234> when idle it mines bitcoins
[03:22] <linux2003> any port for mototola razr?
[03:22] <RobbyF> bah bitcoins lol
[03:22] <RobbyF> not worth it.
[03:22] <ali1234> heh... i started 2 years ago
[03:22] <RobbyF> how many coins are you upt oo?
[03:22] <RobbyF> 19?
[03:22] <ali1234> made a nice profit on the hardware
[03:22] <RobbyF> lol.
[03:22] <ali1234> got about 150 now :P
[03:23] <RobbyF> what are they worth now? last i checked it was 10-1
[03:23] <ali1234> $40
[03:23] <RobbyF> you've got a good chunk then.
[03:23] <ali1234> yeah... i think it will correct soon though
[03:23] <ali1234> regardless, i'm holding
[03:24] <ali1234> cryptocurrency in general is like the internet... it can't be uninvented
[03:24] <RobbyF> when does it max out? 1million I think
[03:24] <ali1234> 21 million
[03:25] <RobbyF> you would be rich if it were true currency.
[03:25] <krabador> it's really late in italy, sleep time for me
[03:25] <RobbyF> later krabador
[03:25] <ali1234> i could easily sell what i have today... the market is deep enough
[03:25] <ali1234> but i am a believer so there you go :P
[03:25] <RobbyF> what are you mining with?
[03:25] <krabador> good time people
[03:26] <ali1234> krabador: night o/
[03:26] <ali1234> mining with a 5870
[03:26] <ali1234> actually i've stopped now... not really worth it any more
[03:26] <RobbyF> i started to mine, but I was in a small pool and i dont think i ever got paid out
[03:26] <ali1234> sometimes i hit those alt chains
[03:26]  * krabador really wants a stable ubuntu touch on i9100, to leave android to newbies
[03:27] <RobbyF> I can't wait for 14.10 stable on our devices.
[03:27] <ali1234> lol
[03:27] <ali1234> there might not even be a 14.10
[03:27] <RobbyF> touche
[03:27] <RobbyF> I like the idea of rolling releases
[03:28] <RobbyF> same thing as what MS does.
[03:28] <RobbyF> seems to work.
[03:28] <ali1234> me to, with caveats
[03:28] <ali1234> i'm happy to go rolling on the condition that nvidia driver never breaks
[03:28] <ali1234> and ati driver, for my bitcoin miner :)
[03:28] <RobbyF> well releases are still stable.
[03:28] <RobbyF> updates err.
[03:28] <ali1234> break anything else you want... i can fix that
[03:28] <ali1234> but nvidia driver... i cannot fix
[03:29] <RobbyF> fix my boot screen
[03:29] <RobbyF> I get some error I have no idea what it's about and it just boots past
[03:29] <ali1234> and my card is not supportd by nouvea
[03:30] <RobbyF> I'm using gtx 460
[03:30] <RobbyF> i'll stick with nvidia for the time being.
[03:31] <RobbyF> get this error message on boot ."..failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin"
[03:32] <RobbyF> maybe I should read it all. unreliable CPU thermal ...
[03:32] <ali1234> meh, i get that too
[03:32] <ali1234> never caused a problem here
[03:32] <RobbyF> same, just annoys me when i see it
[03:32] <ali1234> i only see it like once a month... i don't reboot much
[03:33] <RobbyF> me neither really.
[04:06] <leaveboy> how can i download  the source code
[04:06] <leaveboy> anyone help
[04:06] <leaveboy> ?
[04:12] <selena2013> you gotta add the ppa tools
[04:12] <selena2013> then flash the device
[04:12] <selena2013> there is a instructions in ubuntu
[04:20] <leaveboy> selena2013: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Building_the_Android_pieces in this page the url http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb how can i do next
[04:20] <leaveboy> this url http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb
[04:21] <selena2013> yes you have to add the ppa tools
[04:21] <selena2013> the device has to be rooted first
[04:23] <leaveboy> selena2013: I wanna to down load the souce code first, and the tools and complile needs is OK
[04:24] <selena2013> oooo ok
[04:24] <selena2013> i dont know how to do that sorry
[04:26] <leaveboy> selena2013: when i use `repo init -u http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb ` it's downloading, but TERM report a fatal
[04:27] <selena2013> i wish i can help i dont know
[04:27] <leaveboy> and WARNING gnome-key:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyringxxxxxx/pkcs11
[04:27] <leaveboy> selena2013: Thanks all the same!
[04:28] <leaveboy> * can anyone help with it!
[04:28] <selena2013> somebody will come and help you be patient
[04:28] <selena2013> is late here maybe people sleeping
[04:29] <leaveboy> o!what's your time?
[04:30] <leaveboy> my time is 12:30
[04:30] <selena2013> 11 30 pm
[04:31] <leaveboy> oh! that's real late!
[04:32] <leaveboy> 12:30am
[04:33] <selena2013> morning or night ?
[04:35] <trapntan> Mourning, my build is dead
[04:35] <selena2013> sorry to hear that
[04:35] <leaveboy> afternoon
[04:36] <leaveboy> after lunch
[04:36] <selena2013> o ok
[04:37] <leaveboy> trapntan: can you see my question?
[04:38] <trapntan> leaveboy: I see that one
[04:38] <leaveboy> trapntan: is there some idea?
[04:39] <trapntan> Skipping libc.so during boot
[04:39] <trapntan> Then a couple bad display and bad parameters
[04:40] <trapntan> Waiting for surfaceflinger...
[04:40] <leaveboy>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Building_the_Android_pieces in this page the url http://phabl  [SLB]
[04:40] <leaveboy>                   how can i do next
[04:41] <leaveboy>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Building_the_Android_pieces in this page the url
[04:41] <leaveboy>  http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb and how could i do next
[04:41] <trapntan> This should have the errors from boot
[04:41] <trapntan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8hzsilwiobcrgu/boot_output
[04:43] <leaveboy> i have even download the souce code
[04:43] <leaveboy> i even have not download the souce code
[04:45] <leaveboy> how should i download the source code firt
[04:45] <leaveboy> how should i download the source code first?
[04:58] <OrokuSaki> JUST GOT WIFI WORKING WITHOUT FANOTIFY!
[04:59] <OrokuSaki> 90userinit... add this as the first line.. get ready for it... umount /proc... That's it
[04:59] <OrokuSaki> unmount proc outside of the chroot.. And it works.. =)
[05:12] <OrokuSaki> Anyone around.. I am ready to share my system folder with the world.. Anyone know a good way to package into a .zip?
[06:10] <random> Can i change my location on my ubuntu touch, its stuck in london.
[07:09] <rmj250> Hi, I'm ssh'd to phablet@localhost, what's the command to copy the contacts csv to my local machine?
[07:16] <rmj250> @random it's on this page near the bottom, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[07:34] <ASHTHEHACKER> hai guys
[07:34] <ASHTHEHACKER> anyone there
[07:41] <rmj250> hi
[07:41] <rmj250> dunno not much going on in here
[07:41] <rmj250> wrong time of day/night?
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <rmj250> good afternoon
[07:47] <ASHTHEHACKER> goog ight
[07:48] <ASHTHEHACKER> night :p
[07:48] <rmj250> everyone got ubuntu phablet loaded on something then?
[07:49] <rmj250> Got it running on my Galaxy Nexus :)
[07:49] <random> i got it running on mine... but it was really laggy and choppy
[07:49] <rmj250> have you updated it with the daily builds? Seems better to me
[07:50] <random> i just installed it today, how do i update after install?
[07:50] <rmj250> phablet-flash -l
[07:51] <rmj250> what out it will reset all the data back to preview stuff!
[07:51] <rmj250> "watch"
[07:51] <random> yea,
[07:51] <random> so you say you found it running a lot better after doing that?
[07:52] <rmj250> it's not perfect but unless I'm mistaken it runs slightly smoother and hasn't crashed on me like it did the 1st day
[07:53] <random> ill have to try it out another day then. just install 4.2.2 back on my system
[07:53] <rmj250> allegedly it will be good enough to run day to day in a couple of weeks, can't wait...
[07:53] <rmj250> yeah might be the best
[07:54] <rmj250> thing to do atm unless you can contribute I suppose
[07:54] <random> yea looks good, i just need my phone little to much atm, but if it gets better ill use it.
[07:54] <rmj250> fair enough
[07:54] <rmj250> I guess it is morning in UK now?
[07:55] <rmj250> maybe more activity here from here on today
[07:55] <random> its like 7 am there atm or 8
[07:55] <rmj250> ok
[07:55] <rmj250> but early still
[07:56] <rmj250> gotta go, bbl
[08:08] <darkdragon-001[A> does anybody know how what I have to install in order that qt has the module Ubuntu.HUD?
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[11:54] <muted> hey guys need help
[11:54] <muted> have a problem when building image
[11:54] <muted> build/core/product_config.mk:253: *** No matches for product
[12:00] <deeder> hi
[12:00] <deeder> italian?
[12:56] <coderzstas> Hi guys ) i have builded ubuntu touch 20 mins ago for htc glacier ... but wifi dont works ... how to debug ubuntutouch ???
[12:56] <coderzstas> adb logcat ?? or ?
[12:57] <ogra_> ubuntu just uses what the android side gives it ... i would assume android doesnt properly load your wifi driver
[12:57] <coderzstas> android base works fine ... tested ..
[12:58] <coderzstas> i mean wifi
[12:58] <ogra_> and you have the wlan device listed when logged in with adb ?
[12:59] <ogra_> (how do you test the android base standalone, there is nothing included to manage teh device  ???)
[12:59] <coderzstas> no
[12:59] <rob_____> hi, i got a question concerning hardware for ubuntu touch: is it really Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4/7/10 only or is it possible to install it on an older tablet (like P7500 from Samsung) ?
[12:59] <ogra_> rob_____, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices have a look, there are various community ports unerway
[13:00] <ogra_> *underway
[13:00] <rob_____> ogra_: many thanks, i'll look there.
[13:00] <om26er> qtcreator doesn't support Ubuntu AppMenu, any workaround fo that?
[13:08] <rob_____> ok, another question concerning installation.
[13:08] <rob_____> for installing touch on my android device i need a running ubuntu box?
[13:08] <rob_____> is it possible to use any other linux as well?
[13:09] <Borborygmi> You don't need to have a Linux box just to install it, if you want to dev it however, you'll want Linux. :p
[13:10] <rob_____> i don't like to start a distro war right now, but the question concerns the linux distribution. :)
[13:11] <lilstevie> rob_____, for installing it really doesn't matter, as long as you do the manual steps correctly
[13:11] <rob_____> ok, brb
[13:27] <Kchengue> I need a invitation for ubuntu-phone channel...
[13:27] <Kchengue> please
[13:29] <julio> or some ubuntu-touch development channel
[13:32] <julio> hello, i need help for development apps for ubuntu-touch, some chennel for this ??
[13:32] <julio> sorry my english
[13:32] <julio> XD
[13:33] <pmcgowan> julio: this channel
[13:33] <julio> pmcgowan, XO
[13:34] <julio> pmcgowan,  ok thanks
[13:53] <kiLLe512> hi
[13:53] <kiLLe512> anybody here?
[13:53] <kiLLe512> i see on the right, but anybody ACTIVE here
[13:53] <kiLLe512> lol
[13:53] <julio> hi
[13:53] <kiLLe512> hey
[13:54] <julio> how are you?
[13:54] <kiLLe512> good and you?
[13:54] <julio> very good
[13:54] <nikitis> does touch use mir?
[13:54] <julio> awesome
[13:55] <ogra_> nikitis, not yet
[13:55] <kiLLe512> that's cool
[13:55] <kiLLe512> i just want to find out, is ubuntu touch being developed for galaxy tab 10.1?
[13:55] <ogra_> it uses surfaceflinger
[13:55] <nikitis> what does it currently use?
[13:55] <ogra_> but will soon switch
[13:55] <nikitis> ok
[13:55] <kiLLe512> and if so, what is the eta on alpha or beta or something?
[13:55] <kiLLe512> sorry
[13:55] <kiLLe512> i know
[13:55] <julio> kiLLe512,  you are a development??
[13:55] <kiLLe512> it's annoying
[13:55] <kiLLe512> yes
[13:55] <kiLLe512> i am
[13:55] <ogra_> kiLLe512, see the Devoices wikipage
[13:55] <kiLLe512> a developer
[13:55] <nikitis> i already had ubuntu on my nexus 7 recently, and like nothing worked
[13:56] <nikitis> it's still early
[13:56] <kiLLe512> i see wip...
[13:56] <ogra_> it lists all known ports
[13:56] <kiLLe512> but no eta...
[13:56] <kiLLe512> which is as usual
[13:56] <julio> kiLLe512,  sorry my english jaja
[13:56] <kiLLe512> just thought i'd ask
[13:56] <kiLLe512> np julio
[13:56] <nikitis> i saw a pintrist app
[13:57] <julio> XD
[13:58] <kiLLe512> well, it's be awesome if it could arrive soon.
[13:58] <nikitis> kiLLe512: even if it was arrived for that tablet,
[13:58] <nikitis> it's not usable
[13:59] <kiLLe512> yes, but it'd give an idea of how it'll work.
[13:59] <nikitis> not really
[13:59] <kiLLe512> awe guess i should be patient
[13:59] <nikitis> i've tried it
[13:59] <kiLLe512> just get excited about this
[13:59] <kiLLe512> lol
[13:59] <nikitis> you can get same sensation from pics on net
[13:59] <nikitis> when it runs better might be fun
[14:00] <kiLLe512> yeah, but then the actual EXPERIENCE is different eh
[14:00] <kiLLe512> cool
[14:00] <nikitis> it's not
[14:00] <nikitis> trust me
[14:00] <nikitis> i've tried it
[14:00] <kiLLe512> what was broken on the version you installed?
[14:00] <nikitis> it installed fine
[14:00] <kiLLe512> except
[14:00] <nikitis> but nothing worked
[14:00] <kiLLe512> everything
[14:00] <nikitis> it was j ust pics
[14:00] <kiLLe512> oic
[14:00] <nikitis> even apps were just pics
[14:00] <nikitis> couldn't click on them
[14:00] <kiLLe512> well that sucks
[14:00] <kiLLe512> lol
[14:00] <nikitis> exactly
[14:00] <kiLLe512> but kernel running etc?
[14:01] <kiLLe512> actual booted
[14:01] <nikitis> yes
[14:01] <nikitis> but no access
[14:01] <kiLLe512> good
[14:01] <kiLLe512> that's something
[14:01] <kiLLe512> not even term?
[14:01] <nikitis> no term app
[14:01] <kiLLe512> that sucks intenselt
[14:01] <kiLLe512> lol
[14:01] <kiLLe512> but it'll be here soon then
[14:01] <nikitis> maybe a couple of the swipes worked is all
[14:01] <kiLLe512> good news t least
[14:01] <nikitis> and you can see that from the video
[14:01] <nikitis> ubuntu phone
[14:01] <kiLLe512> you got a link for that?
[14:02] <kiLLe512> nm
[14:02] <nikitis> looks exactly the same
[14:02] <kiLLe512> i'll google it
[14:02] <kiLLe512> cool
[14:02] <kiLLe512> thanks bro
[14:02] <kiLLe512> you rocks!
[14:02] <julio> nikitis, same happend to me
[14:03] <nikitis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWOvw5N4nU
[14:03] <julio> i solve re-flash image
[14:03] <nikitis> save yourself trouble of flashing device for now
[14:03] <julio> but no boot
[14:03] <kiLLe512> julio after reflash, it worked?
[14:03] <kiLLe512> meh
[14:03] <julio> y try again and EUreka, works!!
[14:04] <kiLLe512> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtcj7FdIYA
[14:34] <blubb_> hello, can anybody tell me how to access the sdcard from command-line?
[14:35] <Borborygmi> Check if it's available in /media ?
[14:36] <blubb_> not it isn't
[14:37] <blubb_> i tried to mount from /mnt and /storage but no success
[14:37] <muted> hey guys wher do i put the ROOMSERVICE_BRANCHES variable
[14:40] <ChickenCutlass> blubb_: typically the sdcard is in either /sdcard or /data/media
[14:41] <tanuk> blubb_: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
[14:41] <tanuk> blubb_: That should get all available block devices. If the sdcard is mounted, it will appear in "mount" output.
[14:44] <blubb_> \msg tanuk there is no disk available
[14:45] <tanuk> blubb_: Where is no disk available? (And please don't try to private message me. There's no reason to make this a private conversation.)
[14:47] <blubb_> i can't list the devices
[14:48] <tanuk> With what command? What is the exact error message?
[14:49] <blubb_> under which user should i run the command you sent me?
[14:49] <tanuk> Any user.
[14:49] <blubb_> in ubuntu chroot-container or android?
[14:51] <tanuk> blubb_: Mmh, I don't actually know much about ubuntu touch... but try both.
[14:51] <tanuk> (Assuming that ls and mount are available in android in the first place.)
[14:52] <blubb_> under android the command is not found
[14:52] <blubb_> and in ubuntu_chroot i get a crypted messagte
[14:58] <crypticmofo> yo
[15:02] <blubb_> sdcard also
[15:04] <blubb_> ls and mount is available but i could not mount
[15:04] <blubb_> and mount doesn't list the sdcard
[15:44] <mainerror> Uhm, is it possible that the SDK introduced some dependency for the KDE framework?
[15:51] <ptl> how do I dock my Nexus 4 and get the desktop interface?
[15:51] <t1mp> mainerror: no
[15:51] <t1mp> mainerror: if it did, it is a mistake
[16:11] <blubb_> is it possible to access the sdcard from the ubuntu-touch commandline or through adb-shell?
[16:12] <OrokuSaki> yeah you have to mount it
[16:13] <OrokuSaki> busybox mount /dev/....   / where you want to mount it
[16:14] <OrokuSaki> normal mount command always throws something about an invalid argument.. but busybox mount does not
[16:19] <blubb_> and where can i find the mountpoint of the sdcard?
[16:55] <OrokuSaki> blubb: its where you want it to be.. typically /sdcard
[17:06] <blubb_> no the location of the sdcard, not where i want to mount it
[17:06] <blubb_> i can't find the sdcard in /dev, /mnt, /storage or somewhere else
[17:20] <gaara_akash> guys i'm having difficulty in setting up a developer environment, opening qt creator to create a new project does not have Applications options to select
[17:20] <gaara_akash> any idea what to do/
[17:20] <gaara_akash> ?
[17:54] <markg85> dpm: back btw :)
[17:56] <dpm> hey markg85, ok, replied to you on the other channel ;)
[18:02] <mhall119> markg85: as long as we have a clean separation between what is CLA-covered and what isn't, we should be fine
[18:03] <markg85> mhall119: sounds like a plan
[18:05] <flyinghappy> so gettigng an error on building.  it is could not find the main class: com.android.signapk.SignApk. program will exit
[18:06] <flyinghappy> anybody have any idea what that could be.  I tried googling it and found very little out there on this error
[18:06] <markg85> mhall119: i would like to know one thing though. I am going to work on my components some more for the next days (it are just 2 components, but the backside of it is quite complicated). But what i'm wondering is the demo application. Is there any possibility for Canonical to even consider using Akonadi?
[18:07] <mhall119> sorry, what demo application are you talking about?
[18:07] <ogra_> flyinghappy, zou still have some android apps dir in your configuration ... make sure to not have anything with "apps" in the path in zour cm.dependencies
[18:07] <markg85> mhall119: just a demo application showing calendar data from QML
[18:09] <mhall119> markg85: I think our focus right now would be on building the calendar app itself
[18:09] <mhall119> not a demo app
[18:09]  * ogra_ curses english keyboards ... 
[18:09] <netcurli> :D
[18:11] <markg85> mhall119: that's not what i'm asking :) Let me put it differently. "you folks" are currently making your own calendat backend using SQLite and Javascript. So the question becomes, would Canonical be willing to abbandon that idea and use Akonadi?
[18:11] <flyinghappy> ogra_, I don't even have a cm.dependencies file in my device tree
[18:11] <mhall119> markg85: I think if there is a strong case for it, yes
[18:12] <mhall119> markg85: I'm not overly familiar, so I can't commit to anything
[18:12] <ogra_> flyinghappy, well, you used one to add your stuff to manifest.xml or default.xml
[18:12] <mhall119> but in general, if it fits our use cases and requires less work, I think we should use it
[18:12] <ogra_> (if you followed the porting guide at least)
[18:13] <markg85> mhall119: the case would be: a dozen of backends, synchronization build in, company backed (kolab and kdab), and an active development team behind it as well. :)
[18:13] <ogra_> flyinghappy, everything under /apps makes use of the dalvik vm which we dont have in the tree, so it fails to build
[18:14] <ogra_> (dont have and dont want)
[18:15] <mhall119> markg85: how does synchronization work?
[18:15] <flyinghappy> ok
[18:17] <markg85> mhall119: i do not know the full API in detail, but i know it does that :)
[18:17] <mhall119> markg85: as long as we can integrate it with the rest of Ubuntu's platform, I'm happy
[18:18] <mhall119> but if Akonadi uses some other cloud service for syncing, and we couldn't easily make it sync using Ubuntu One, that would be a major drawback
[18:20] <markg85> mhall119: i'm not aware of any ubuntu one backend, but it should be possible to create one: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=85714
[18:20] <flyinghappy> I can not fine a /apps anywhere and no cm.dependencies
[18:21] <flyinghappy> this is the device tree i'm using https://github.com/jholtom/android_device_asus_tf101
[18:22] <mhall119> markg85: who all is currently using Akonadi?
[18:22] <mhall119> do you know if Sailfish is using it? or Blackberry?
[18:24] <markg85> mhall119: i don't know for those two, but i do know that the biggest open source groupware software is running akonadi in it's back: http://www.kolab.org/
[18:24] <markg85> mhall119: all KDE users are running Akonadi by default
[18:25] <markg85> mhall119: If you only use contact, calendar or mail in KDE then Akonadi is the one that serves it up
[18:25] <flyinghappy> ogra_, any idea?  my device tree is https://github.com/jholtom/android_device_asus_tf101
[18:26] <markg85> mhall119: so it's used quite a lot actually
[18:26] <flyinghappy> ogra_, i can't find a /apps dir anywhere
[18:26] <ogra_> flyinghappy, how does your manifest.xml look like ? can you dump it to a pastebin ?
[18:26] <mhall119> markg85: I'll leave it to the actual developer to decided, but from what you've told me I don't see any obvious reasons why we wouldn't consider it
[18:26] <markg85> If memory serves me well then it's even being used in some browsers for maintaining the history and the favorites
[18:27] <flyinghappy> my manifest.xml
[18:27] <flyinghappy> http://pastebin.com/CCBxYbye
[18:27] <markg85> mhall119: that's good to hear :)
[18:28] <Stskeeps> mhall119: we're not using akonadi
[18:28] <mhall119> Stskeeps: "we" being?
[18:29] <Stskeeps> sailfish
[18:29] <ogra_> flyinghappy, hmm, that looks fine
[18:29] <mhall119> do you have something else you're using?
[18:29] <Stskeeps> mhall119: while we're not happy about it, we're using tracker
[18:29] <ogra_> flyinghappy, i fear you have to dig into the makefiles to find whats trying to build app stuff then
[18:30] <mhall119> tracker? you're not talking about the C# file indexer I hope
[18:30] <markg85> Stskeeps: Why aren't you using Akonadi then?
[18:30] <ogra_> mhall119, heh, i was thinking the same :)
[18:30] <Stskeeps> mhall119: mostly history
[18:30]  * markg85 is all ears :)
[18:30] <Stskeeps> ie, we have stuff that works sanely with tracker
[18:31] <Stskeeps> i hear those json databases are in fashion though for this kind of stuff
[18:31] <mhall119> markg85: I do have some questions about how using Akonadi would work on the desktop, where we already use evolution-data-server
[18:31] <markg85> Specially because sailfish isn't on any phone yet so the "history" can't be that big ;)
[18:31] <flyinghappy> ogra_, crap, this is a screeny of the error if it would me find the make file at all...
[18:31] <flyinghappy> http://ompldr.org/vaG9rcQ/2013-03-07-063358_1920x1080_scrot.png
[18:31] <ogra_> sailfish has some history :)
[18:32] <ogra_> just not as sailfish :)
[18:32] <markg85> mhall119: feel free to ask, but do know that i'm merely making the data available in QML. I'm not really an Akonadi core dev :)
[18:32] <ogra_> flyinghappy, yeah, there is definitely a lot of dalvik stuff in there
[18:33] <ogra_> flyinghappy, did you actually follow the porting guide on the wiki ?
[18:33] <flyinghappy> for the most part I did
[18:34] <flyinghappy> I am building on archlinux instead of ubuntu though
[18:34] <markg85> I have to go. mhall119 if you have more questions, feel free to mail them to me: markg85 [at] gmail [dot] com
[18:34] <mhall119> markg85: the question would be more for the Ubuntu desktop team, really, since we want to converge everything to a single code base, we wouldn't want to have one calendar store on desktop and a different one on mobile
[18:35] <mhall119> markg85: ok, thanks for your input today
[18:35] <markg85> mhall119: thank you for allowing me to give it :)
[18:35] <ogra_> flyinghappy, hmm, openjdk installed ?
[18:35] <flyinghappy> jdk6
[18:37] <flyinghappy> ogra_, found a bunch of delvik stuff in my system.prop stuff
[18:37] <ogra_> well, it definitely tries to build an apk there
[18:37] <flyinghappy> ogra_, would that mess it up?
[18:37] <ogra_> yeah
[18:52] <flyinghappy> ogra_ Thanks for the help.  I'm gonna keep poking around to see if I can find it.  The funny thing is that somebody is building for my device using this tree...
[18:52] <ogra_> flgood luck
[18:52] <ogra_> err
[18:58] <genii-around> Hashcode: I'm able to loopmount the system.img and edit/examine it but I can't seem to figure out where it might be putting stuff like error logs or boorlogs, etc
[18:59] <genii-around> ( I'm used to /var/log idea)
[19:10] <Hashcode> genii-around: need to chroot after adb shell
[19:10] <Hashcode> then logs are in /var/log
[19:13] <genii-around> Hashcode: Google tells me Android also keeps logs at /proc/last_kmesg and /dev/log  but I'm not sure if those are discrete areas within each safestrap slot or shared
[19:13] <Hashcode> You're on a moto phone right?
[19:14] <Hashcode> Those are part of the devfs and procfs.  They mount with each boot.
[19:15] <Hashcode> They aren't discrete to each safestrap slot :/
[19:15] <Hashcode> And /proc/last_kmsg is disabled by Motorola on the stock kernel which is used inside Safestrap
[19:16] <Hashcode> In the future I can use a kexec kernel in Safestrap which will enable last_kmsg usage if you have crashes or problems booting.
[19:22]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[20:17] <pmcgowan> boiko: I just saw the telephony app get in a state taking 100% cpu, is that a known thing or should I bug it
[20:23] <boiko> pmcgowan: please bug it, never saw that
[20:23] <pmcgowan> boiko: ack
[20:24] <boiko> pmcgowan: if you can remember what you did to get there, that would be helpful
[20:24] <pmcgowan> got one of my wrong number calls
[20:24] <pmcgowan> I can try to reproduce it
[20:24] <pmcgowan> but had not seen it before
[20:33] <boiko> pmcgowan: ok, I can try to reproduce it here too
[20:36] <larsgk> popey: what about the C++ question?
[20:36] <popey> larsgk: so, our preference is for pure qml, but C++ isn't out of the question
[20:36] <popey> pmcgowan: did you speak to someone about launcher icons?
[20:37] <dragly> About the RSS reader, I'm missing a main landing screen with for instance feeds of the day, most interesting, or just a feed of your choice.
[20:37] <pmcgowan> popey: was I supposed to?
[20:37] <popey> pmcgowan: we discussed the problem with the fixed launcher list
[20:37] <pmcgowan> oh that
[20:37] <popey> pmcgowan: i thought you said you were going to chase up the fix
[20:37] <pmcgowan> not yet
[20:37] <popey> ok
[20:37] <pmcgowan> I will
[20:37] <poisonedslo> I think we should have the collated list
[20:37] <popey> thanks
[20:37] <poisonedslo> or am I wrong?
[20:38] <popey> poisonedslo: the collated list of?
[20:38] <larsgk> popey: Without knowing the plans for Ubuntu across different devices, it could make good sense to keep it in clean QML for portability (on the fly swap app from laptop to phone - continue with same state data, etc.).
[20:38] <poisonedslo> of all feeds, sorted by time
[20:38] <dragly> poisonedslo: Showing articles?
[20:38] <pmcgowan> bfiller: do you know if any patch is imminent for new app installations
[20:39] <poisonedslo> dragly list with headlines maybe?
[20:40] <bfiller> pmcgowan: not sure how close it is, Kaleo and ricmm were working on it
[20:40] <larsgk> popey: it might make sense to have extra modules (C++) in the core libs that we have access to from applications though (common on all platforms).
[20:40] <dragly> poisonedslo: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Headline + some more info depending on available space + perhaps an article image
[20:40] <pmcgowan> bfiller: the core apps are building to the ppa now, may be able to use some soon
[20:40] <bfiller> pmcgowan: which ppa?
[20:41] <poisonedslo> dragly: maybe headline and when you tap it, the list item expands to show whole article
[20:41] <popey> bfiller: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily
[20:41] <bfiller> cool
[20:41] <dragly> poisonedslo: I like that idea! :)
[20:41] <popey> larsgk: sorry, in the other meeting, will have to catch up in a bit..
[20:41] <larsgk> popey: ok
[20:42] <dragly> larsgk: About the C++ stuff - when was the discussion and what was it about? Features that should be implemented in C++ for the sake of speed, or something else?
[20:43] <larsgk> dragly: at some point there were some issues about local storage of blobs and then it came up - if we should always stick with QML and do strange hacks (sometimes) or go C++ for a simpler solution.
[20:44] <poisonedslo> larsgk: I think database lib should be implemented
[20:44] <poisonedslo> that could be used across all apps
[20:44] <larsgk> dragly: poisonedslo:  Do you guys have experience with the launchpad/bzr merge/release process? - I don't
[20:44] <dragly> larsgk: blobs as in image data and such? Or just generally storing data (I have very little experience with databases in QML)
[20:44] <poisonedslo> larsgk: no, I'm totally new to this
[20:45] <poisonedslo> dragly: I have developed DB heavy app, but did all the business logic in c++
[20:45] <larsgk> poisonedslo: I think we should raise needs for native plugins where needed - and put "votes" to make them platform wide - so it becomes for everyone and across all devices
[20:45] <poisonedslo> only exposing data models to QML
[20:45] <dragly> larsgk: No experience, I've just played around with repackaging stuff from Ubuntu's core PPA to another PPA - but no real branching with bzr
[20:46] <larsgk> I have worked a bit on webkit, which has a very strict (but clean) process.  Who accepts our patches for merge here?
[20:47] <mhall119> poisonedslo: what is your launchpad nick?
[20:47] <dragly> poisonedslo: I see. I have done some DB work in Qt C++ myself, but never taken the step from there to QML. Too me it sounds fine to do the DB work in C++ and expose models in QML, but I guess a pretty library in QML could be a nicer solution.
[20:47] <poisonedslo> mhall119: nejc-pintar
[20:47] <mhall119> thank you
[20:48] <larsgk> my understanding here is tha we all work in branches with commits that can be "asked to get merged"
[20:48] <mhall119> larsgk: that's the way to do it, yes
[20:48] <larsgk> how do I do git pull --rebase?
[20:48] <poisonedslo> dragly: since we should do as much as we can in QML it definitely makes sense
[20:48] <poisonedslo> if I'd manage this project I'd do much stuff in C++
[20:49] <mhall119> larsgk: you either "bzr merge" from trunk, or install the bzr-rewrite package to get a rebase command
[20:49] <larsgk> poisonedslo: well.. if we think outside this small app, it could make sense to keep everything in qml for portability
[20:49] <larsgk> mhall119: thanks
[20:49] <mhall119> the app itself should be pure QML, but if you need to do stuff in C++ you can do it in a separate project that builds a QML plugin for your app
[20:50] <mhall119> that has the added benefit of allowing other apps to use your plugin components too
[20:50] <poisonedslo> larsgk: yes, I understand motifs behind this
[20:50] <larsgk> poisonedslo: think about it - if all apps are QML2 and Ubuntu provides a good core layer libs foundation that is common on all devices (desktop, tablet, phone) - than we have VERY portable apps
[20:50] <dragly> Another thing: Do we have a design plan already? I.e. a mockup or something?
[20:51] <poisonedslo> dragly: not that I've seen
[20:51] <larsgk> I am a bit curious on a higher level here.  IMHO, if Ubuntu Phone does well, not only will it continue what Nokia couldn't (a great Qt5 based Phone) - but wouldn't it also compete with Tizen?
[20:52] <poisonedslo> larsgk: Tizen is not Qt based AFAIK
[20:52] <larsgk> one place where I am a bit afraid it might fall behind is on the browser side.  It *needs* to have excellent webapps functionality
[20:52] <poisonedslo> larsgk: More direct competitor is Sailfish OS
[20:52] <dragly> poisonedslo: Ok, if there is non currently, perhaps I could take on the work item to create a few that we may discuss?
[20:53] <larsgk> poisonedslo: I don't mean "tizen is qt based"
[20:53] <mhall119> poisonedslo: yes, but we're also collaborating with Jolla to keep our SDK's as similar as we can to make porting easier
[20:53] <poisonedslo> mhall119: great to hear that!
[20:54] <dragly> larsgk: Any news on Firefox for Ubuntu Phone/Tablet? Even though it is not Qt nor QML, I would love to see it as the main browser for the platform (although it could use some performance tweaking)
[20:54] <poisonedslo> larsgk: Jolla is currently taking up role of Nokia/Meego ancestor
[20:54] <ryukafalz> mhall119: And with the Plasma Active devs, right?  Aaron Seigo mentioned that a while ago.
[20:54] <larsgk> again: I am not convinced on the WebApps side.  AFAIK, it's just snowshoe with mods.  Is anyone focusing on improving the browser for webapps?
[20:55] <dragly> mhall119: About Jolla, that's great!
[20:55] <larsgk> poisonedslo: Jolla is nice - but let's see.  Ubuntu taking Qt5/QML2 in as the main apps dev platform and being Ubuntu (great install base already) means a lot
[20:55] <mhall119> ryukafalz: yup
[20:55] <larsgk> Can anyone here tell me about the browser?
[20:56] <poisonedslo> larsgk: I'm hoping at least one of those suceed
[20:56] <mhall119> larsgk: yes, there was a session at UDS about the browser, but I didn't get to attend it, watching the video is on my todo list
[20:56] <mhall119> larsgk: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21621/appdev-1303-apps-webbrowser/ might give you some insights into it
[20:57] <larsgk> mhall119: I have been thinking a bit... I was doing a lot of QA work on the N9 browser as well as some stuff in webkit to support what we needed for the device.  It should not be underestimated
[20:58] <larsgk> mhall119: from what I've heard - it's basically the INdT snowshoe browser (QtWebKit2 based) with some minor adjustments.
[20:58] <mhall119> larsgk: that's the start yes, but not the end-goal
[20:58] <larsgk> mhall119: we *need* to put some love into making the WebApps experience good.  iPhone level being the first target
[20:59] <mhall119> iPhone has webapp integration?
[20:59] <larsgk> mhall119: yes
[20:59] <mhall119> like what?
[20:59] <larsgk> mhall119: we NEED to have a VERY good and easy flow of finding, installing and using webapps ..
[21:00] <larsgk> mhall119: save 2 homescreen
[21:00] <mhall119> larsgk: willcooke is the guy to talk to about that, he's on Australian time though
[21:00] <mhall119> larsgk: you should join #ubuntu-webapps too
[21:00] <larsgk> mhall119: stuff like fullscreen support, application icons, different permissions/capabilities for web page vs installed webapp
[21:01] <mhall119> larsgk: oh, we give way more than that
[21:01] <larsgk> mhall119: "australian time = old brisbane team"?
[21:01]  * mhall119 has no idea what that means
[21:01] <larsgk> mhall119: we also need to make sure that webaudio, webgl, device motion, device location, etc. works
[21:02] <larsgk> mhall119: brisbane was the qtmobility/part-qml team
[21:02] <larsgk> mhall119: in Nokia
[21:02] <mhall119> larsgk: yeah, that's not webapp integration though, that's just general mobile browser
[21:02] <mhall119> larsgk: oh, I don't think so, Will has been with Canonical for a while
[21:03] <larsgk> mhall119: true - but I know of many things where we NEED to put some love.  You'd be surprised when you dig in
[21:03] <larsgk> mhall119: I have a list of some of the demos that only (still) work on iPad/iPhone and N9 (where we had a special branch) - doesn't even work on the latest chrome 4 android
[21:04] <larsgk> mhall119: dothisathome.com
[21:04] <mhall119> lukaszgut: what is your Launchpad nick?
[21:05] <lukaszgut> mhall119, its lgut
[21:05] <mhall119> thanks
[21:05] <larsgk> mhall119: if we do this right, we will have an extremely powerful combo of QML and real WebApps capabilities... if we don't put enough love in the Browser/WebApps direction, it will be useless
[21:05] <twilson_> evening all!
[21:06] <larsgk> mhall119: useless as in "just need the last 1% of capabilities to make it work"
[21:06] <dragly> mhall119: I moved up three items in the RSS etherpad (mockup design, tag view and landing page) that I could start on. Should/can I also update the blueprint?
[21:06] <mhall119> larsgk: you should definitely talk to willcooke then
[21:06] <mhall119> dragly: if you're going to be working on them, yes
[21:08] <larsgk> mhall119: would it be possible for you to send a common mail? (larsgk@gmail.com) ... I have a talk in a few days and my brain hurts from preparations (http://opensourcedays.org/2013/content/education-kit-built-webapps-raspberry-pi-and-arduino ) - I can then do a proper intro, etc. there
[21:08] <mhall119> larsgk: I'd be happy to
[21:09] <mhall119> larsgk: what's your full name?
[21:09] <larsgk> mhall119: Lars Knudsen
[21:09] <mhall119> thanks
[21:09] <larsgk> mhall119: well.. Lars Gunder Knudsen ;)
[21:11] <cartman__> Hello !
[21:12] <cartman__> Can the ubuntu for tablets could works with the pengpod ?
[21:13] <cartman__> Pengpod700/1000 ; Allwinner A10
[21:18] <cartman__> Why allways nexus ??
[21:19] <mhall119> Nexus was easy, cheap and available
[21:21] <ryukafalz> On that note, when the image has CDMA support, will it work with existing Android drivers?  (I have a CDMA Galaxy Nexus, and people at XDA have gotten the image flashed, but of course the radio doesn't work yet.)
[21:22] <cartman__> ryukafalz : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:22] <cartman__> Pengpod tablets are cheaper than all (100 $)
[21:23] <pmcgowan> ryukafalz: yes it should work once cdma is added
[21:23] <ryukafalz> pmcgowan: Great, thanks
[21:26] <cartman__> Is ubuntu tablets allow allwinner processors ?
[21:27] <cartman__> ubuntu for tablets*
[21:30] <dragly> I'm off. Nice meeting you guys! Bye bye!
[21:31] <cartman__> When the RC comes, all tablets could works with ?
[21:32] <cartman__> (in october i think)
[21:33] <cartman__> is my question stupid ?
[21:34] <ryukafalz> cartman__: CyanogenMod doesn't have official support for Allwinner chipsets.  A dev on XDA had an image for some A10 tablets, but he's no longer developing that.  So it's possible someone could get it to work, but in my opinion it seems unlikely.
[21:34] <padme1> cartman__ just because canonical released development images for the nexus devices, doesn't mean all current devices are going to have official support
[21:35] <cartman__> ah ok :(
[21:35] <padme1> what's going to happen is that ubuntu hardware is going to be lunched
[21:35] <padme1> and that's the official support
[21:36] <padme1> the current releases are just for testing, not for final consumers
[21:36] <cartman__> thank you for your answers :)
[21:37] <padme1> np
[21:40] <Jaffa> Hmm, so I upgraded from the original SDK to the latest one using the instructions posted, but qtchooser gives: qtchooser: could not exec '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qtchooser': No such file or directory
[21:40] <Jaffa> 'qtchooser is the latest version' according to apt
[21:42] <gabriel_> guys, if I install ubuntu toucH on my tablet, am I going to be able to use the classic interface when I have a keyboard attached?
[21:43] <neokore> Weather team, are you here guys?
[21:48] <neokore> popey: nobody?
[21:48] <popey> in #ubuntu-touch-meeting ☺
[21:49] <neokore> ouch!
[21:49] <popey> sorry ☺
[21:51] <ogra_> meh, yppou created a separate meeting channel ?
[21:53] <dank101> any galaxy S3 att owners with ROM creating knowladge
[22:01] <dank101> anyone?
[22:24] <gabrielbsb> guys, if I install ubuntu toucH on my tablet, am I going to be able to use the classic interface when I have a keyboard attached?
[22:24] <wastrel> no because that isn't working yet
[22:28] <gabrielbsb> but will it work in the future? when the final build is released
[22:32] <doomlord> it seems the claims of desktop convergance have been retracted a little:
[22:32] <doomlord> they say that full desktop convergance wont be supported on mainstream tablets
[22:32] <doomlord> only intel ones
[22:33] <wastrel> requires hardware support or something
[22:33] <doomlord> bu there's some hope seeing ubuntu-desktop on arm
[22:33] <doomlord> i would like to see the opposite approach, basically taking that and enhancing it
[22:34] <matge> will it rain tomorrow?
[22:34] <doomlord> one step at a time, eg. customizing the window manager / 'expo'/'scale' etc for better touch support, etc
[22:34] <matge> there seem to be a lot of fortune teller around :)
[22:37] <doomlord> perhaps with more touchscreen laptops around people will do these enhancements
[22:37] <Proxymalz> Hello everybody. I got a problem
[22:38] <doomlord> i think you could turn expo/scale into a touch-friendly interface
[22:38] <Proxymalz> i'm working at 12.10 and connect with my galaxy nexus
[22:39] <Proxymalz> while download the computer lost connection to server
[22:39] <Proxymalz> the connection problem was solved i try install mainline kernel
[22:40] <Proxymalz> now i can't restart download package from server because the passphrase is incompatible
[22:49] <RobbyF> whoa whoa, stop everything, no daily build?
[22:49] <RobbyF> to many summits in one week
[22:49] <RobbyF> :)
[22:51] <Proxymalz> ok i have solved the problem, delete the directory phablet-flash and downloading the files again.
[22:52] <Proxymalz> exit
[22:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, pmcgowan ^^^ is someone looking into the failed build ?
[22:57] <ogra_> seems the #14 image didnt succeed
[23:05] <RobbyF> oh
[23:07] <ogra_> RobbyF, thanks a lot for pointing it out !
[23:07] <ogra_> the vUDS kind of distracted us all, so nobody noticed
[23:07] <RobbyF> I find that hard to beleive I was the first one to note this :)
[23:08] <RobbyF> I mean not first one *
[23:08] <RobbyF> wait. lol
[23:08] <RobbyF> you know what I mean
[23:08] <RobbyF> harlem shake in my headphones is distracting me.
[23:10] <ogra_> heh
[23:14] <gaara_akash> im having difficulty trying to find "Ubuntu.Components in the qml file
[23:14] <gaara_akash> any help would be appreciated
[23:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: indeed
[23:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: ibs_sync #603 completed. Result was FAILURE
[23:17] <ogra_> yep
[23:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: failed to get the ubuntu image from ibs
[23:17] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: ricmm restarted it
[23:17] <ogra_> seems sorted
[23:17] <rsalveti> cool
[23:17] <pmcgowan> gaara_akash: what are you looking for?
[23:18]  * rsalveti gets back to bed
[23:18] <ogra_> RobbyF, there should eb a new image later
[23:18] <ogra_> *be
[23:18] <ogra_> and thankss again for the notification
[23:18] <RobbyF> ok :)
[23:18] <gaara_akash> i've tried installing as per instructions given on the developer.ubuntu website
[23:18] <RobbyF> np, it's usually up 11 hours ago
[23:18] <ogra_> yep
[23:19] <pmcgowan> gaara_akash: oh you may need to fix the qmake path
[23:19] <gaara_akash> ah, where do i do that?
[23:19] <ogra_> i'll add some checking code to the sync script that copies it to cdimage tomorrw so we get notofocations
[23:19] <ogra_> *noti
[23:19] <pmcgowan> gaara_akash: youa re trying to use qtcreator?
[23:19] <gaara_akash> yes
[23:19] <pmcgowan> do what it says here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/259719/qt-quick-ui-templates-missing-from-qt-creators-new-file-or-project-dialog
[23:19] <pmcgowan> and remove the qt4 path as well
[23:20] <gaara_akash> thanks
[23:20] <pmcgowan> np
[23:25] <gaara_akash> pmcgowan, that seemed to solve my problem, but i imported https://code.launchpad.net/~danielholm/musicapp/trunk
[23:25] <gaara_akash> and its showing me errors in the import statement,
[23:29] <gaara_akash> utouch-workspace/musicapp/MusicApp.qml:2: error: QML module not found
[23:29] <gaara_akash> Import paths:
[23:29] <gaara_akash> For qmake projects, use the QML_IMPORT_PATH variable to add import paths.
[23:29] <gaara_akash> For qmlproject projects, use the importPaths property to add import paths.
[23:36] <gaara_akash> pmcgowan, still hasnt solved