[00:00] <wrst> yep what did you start on?
[00:00] <Omnifrog> back when getting a USB dialup modem working was a weekend project
[00:01] <Omnifrog> RH 4 ?
[00:01] <wrst> oh me
[00:01] <Omnifrog> I think it was 4
[00:01] <Omnifrog> it came in the back of a 6 inch thick book on Linux
[00:02] <wrst> good old days indeed
[00:02] <Omnifrog> the OS was free but the book was pretty costly
[00:02] <wrst> my first go was in 2007 or so
[00:03] <Omnifrog> things have been pretty good for Linux the last 6 years
[00:03] <wrst> I started out with mandriva
[00:04] <wrst> broad com wireless on my laptop worked easily
[00:04] <Omnifrog> I never followed Mandrake down that path
[00:04] <Omnifrog> I did use Mandrake for a time though
[00:06] <wrst> Ubuntu introduced jockey I think in 7.10 then I switched
[00:08] <Omnifrog> I was using SUSE when they started making deals with Microsoft and at that point I migrated to Ubuntu
[00:08] <Omnifrog> 2005-ish?
[00:09] <Omnifrog> SUSE was a really good distro
[00:10] <Omnifrog> at the time I think it was one of the best ones out there
[00:10] <wrst> opensuse I think still is
[00:11] <wrst> if I'm not mistaken they aren't associated with Novell now?
[00:11] <Omnifrog> I dunno. did they fork it out of the Novellverse?
[00:12] <wrst> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE
[00:13] <wrst> on my phone sorry for the mobile link
[00:13] <wrst> first paragraph has it
[00:13] <wrst> I think opensuse is the best KDE district short of arch and vanilla KDE
[00:14] <wrst> *district
[00:14] <wrst> hmm
[00:14] <wrst> *distro
[00:14] <wrst> silly android
[00:15] <Omnifrog> I wonder if it handles audio any better than Ubuntu
[00:15] <wrst> what type of audio?
[00:15] <wrst> just in general?
[00:16] <Omnifrog> running IDJC on Ubuntu can be a friggin nightmare
[00:16] <Omnifrog> and USB Mic handling is crap
[00:17] <wrst> seems like KDE and pulse on kubuntu have issues or I have heard that
[00:18] <Omnifrog> oh yeah
[00:18] <Omnifrog> they do
[00:18] <Omnifrog> and Jack is .... what the hell were they thinking????
[00:19] <wrst> regular Ubuntu seems to work well or has for me
[00:19] <wrst> Jack is good I this k I use it with ardour
[00:20] <Omnifrog> audio in general is a nightmare what with all the different implementations
[00:23] <wrst> I have set up a recording machine with multiple cards and 8 inputs/outputs and really was pretty happy but really researched hardware
[00:24] <Omnifrog> true, with enough research anything is possible
[00:25] <Omnifrog> Ardour segfaults on startup for me
[00:25] <Omnifrog> :\
[00:25] <wrst> but just regular audio never had any real issues
[00:25] <wrst> that's not good
[00:25] <Omnifrog> oh yeah. just playing audio is fine
[00:27] <Omnifrog> I do a radio show so i run up against all kinds of weird audio issues
[00:27] <wrst> ahh and do it all on Linux?
[00:27] <Omnifrog> like routing sound from skype/G+/other sources to the broadcast console
[00:28] <Omnifrog> yeah, all using Linux
[00:28] <wrst> guessing that is where jack comes in?
[00:28] <Omnifrog> yeap
[00:28] <Omnifrog> yep
[00:29] <wrst> makes sense isn't pulse supposed to be able to do some of that?
[00:29] <Omnifrog> right now I just route various audio sources from different machines to a mixer then to the broadcast box
[00:30] <Omnifrog> doing that in hardware is just more stable
[00:30] <wrst> makes sense also almost like you have researched this :)
[00:30] <Omnifrog> no, pulse has to butt out when jack takes control of the sound device
[00:31] <Omnifrog> I would call it banging my head on the desk more than research
[00:31] <wrst> thinking pulse could do routing
[00:31] <wrst> never used it because I'm just used to using jack
[00:32] <Omnifrog> this is why I hate audio in Linux
[00:32] <wrst> ha ha
[00:32] <wrst> could just buy a mac ;)
[00:33] <Omnifrog> broadcasting a shoucast stream isn't that much better on macs
[00:34] <Omnifrog> less flexible really
[00:34] <Omnifrog> some of my fellow DJs on the station use mac
[00:35] <wrst> ahh really
[00:35] <wrst> what type of show do you do?
[00:37] <Omnifrog> I play mostly mainstream stuff. seems like I play a lot of 60's -90's but there are no ruls so I can do what I want really
[00:37] <wrst> cool let us know when you are broadcasting so we can tune in
[00:37] <Omnifrog> http://ccgi.kitsbury.force9.co.uk/kol/index.php?whsmodule=schedule
[00:38] <Omnifrog> I'll be on for an hour tomorrow covering for someone who has to leave early
[00:40] <Omnifrog> I should put open suse on a spare partition and test IDJC on that
[00:40] <Omnifrog> I don't know anyone who uses it
[00:40] <wrst> i'm betting that for kde sound and what not it would work better
[00:41] <Omnifrog> jack isn't kde dependent though
[00:41] <wrst> oh no just have heard lots of kubuntu issues with sound
[00:41] <Omnifrog> yeah, I'm seriously thinking about dumping kde
[00:41] <wrst> i'm also not a huge kubuntu fan either so i'm a little tilted in my opinion
[00:42] <Omnifrog> it has more than just sound issues
[00:42] <wrst> may still be the best one out there i'm using gnome atm
[00:42] <wrst> but its nothing to write home about
[00:43] <Omnifrog> I could never deal with Gnome. always been a KDE guy but it's really just about pushed me off it entirely
[00:43] <Omnifrog> so many unresolved problems
[00:43] <Omnifrog> and it seems to be getting worse
[00:43] <wrst> i kinda think its the most complete of the desktops right now
[00:44] <Omnifrog> G?nome
[00:44] <wrst> I run it on arch some and its not bad but I just prefer gnome/gtk apps
[00:44] <wrst> no KDE
[00:44] <Omnifrog> oh, yeah it's got a lot to it
[00:44] <wrst> i thought gnome 3 had a lot of promise but instead of adding things they keep on taking features away
[00:44] <wrst> and breaking things
[00:45] <Omnifrog> the "KDE Desktop" crashes on me regularly
[00:45] <Omnifrog> I'm really unhappy about that
[00:45] <wrst> i have never had any luck with kubuntu
[00:45] <wrst> actually might would have been a kde user if had not been for kubuntu
[00:46] <wrst> i thought kde stunk but just kubuntu issues
[00:46] <Omnifrog> that could be a problem too
[00:47] <wrst> if you have the stomach for it arch is great with kde and considering you have been using linux since 98 that shouldn't be a problem :)
[00:48] <Omnifrog> I've been wanting to try it for some time but never get around it
[00:49] <wrst> there is a certain learning curve to it but its a fun learning experience
[00:54] <Omnifrog> I'm sure it's not too hard to work out
[00:55] <wrst> the install is the time consuming part
[00:56] <wrst> well I've done it a few times its not bad just takes a bit to learn
[00:56] <wrst> now installer
[00:56] <wrst> *no installer
[00:56] <wrst> chroot from a live cd
[00:56] <Omnifrog> oh. nice
[00:57] <wrst> i generally partition from something else then do the rest from the cd
[00:57] <Omnifrog> installers have really gotten dumbed down over the past decade
[00:58] <wrst> well you will like this one because there isn't an isntaller then :)
[00:58] <Omnifrog> I was REALLY disappointed with the last Ubuntu installer
[00:58] <wrst> really?
[00:58] <wrst> its easy, but they hide the "advanced" stuff
[00:58] <Omnifrog> trying to make it easy for win folk I guess
[00:59] <wrst> i think everyone is trying to get it to be under a certain number of clicks
[00:59] <Omnifrog> yeah
[00:59] <Omnifrog> I like all the options in front of me
[00:59] <wrst> then of course there is the fedora installer... wow
[01:00] <wrst> it used to be really good then they decided to destroy it with the last release
[01:00] <Omnifrog> I haven't used Fedora in ages
[01:02] <Omnifrog> what part of TN are you in? I'm out side of Chattanooga
[01:03] <wrst> cookeville
[01:03] <wrst> you are close to cyberanger probably or at least his current under ground bunker
[01:05] <Omnifrog> I used to live in Nashville
[01:05] <Omnifrog> and the Murfreesboro
[01:06] <Omnifrog> I came from Ca though
[01:06] <wrst> ahh you have half of the state covered
[02:05] <Juzzy> what part of ca?
[02:05] <Juzzy> cali or canada?
[02:06] <Omnifrog> East SF Bay Area
[02:08] <Juzzy> ah, cool area litterally
[02:10] <wrst> very nice
[02:10] <Juzzy> this weekend is  abig weekend for
[02:11] <Juzzy> us
[02:11] <Juzzy> we're planting our vineyard
[02:12] <Juzzy> 150 grapes, 250 berries
[02:12] <Juzzy> I'll propagate the rest of the plants, thats only about 40% of an acre worth
[02:12] <wrst> sounds like a lot of work
[02:12] <Juzzy> ya
[02:13] <Juzzy> I roped in everyone willing
[02:13] <Juzzy> gunna have 15-20 men, couple of women and about 10 kids heh
[02:13] <Omnifrog> you make wine, Juzzy ?
[02:13] <Juzzy> I'll spend most of the day cooking for everyone lol
[02:13] <Juzzy> yea
[02:13] <Omnifrog> awesome
[02:13] <Juzzy> not commercially yet
[02:13] <Omnifrog> I want to do that
[02:14] <Juzzy> it's about $100k to go pro
[02:14] <Omnifrog> I have 100 acres sitting there growing hay
[02:14] <Juzzy> so I'm starting out planting a vineyard, selling to other wineries and to the public
[02:14] <Omnifrog> that's boring
[02:14] <Juzzy> wow dude
[02:14] <Juzzy> plant alphala hay
[02:14] <Juzzy> and get you about 30 bee hives
[02:15] <Juzzy> and make the shit out of some mead
[02:15] <Juzzy> ~2.5lbs/gallon
[02:15] <Omnifrog> if I had the time it would be so
[02:15] <Juzzy> alfalfa is premium honey too
[02:15] <Juzzy> you'd probably get 60lbs/hive from it
[02:17] <Omnifrog> wife wants to put goats on it and make cheese :\
[02:17] <Juzzy> to eat or sell?
[02:17] <Omnifrog> or more specifically... she want's to make me do that
[02:17] <Juzzy> heh
[02:17] <Omnifrog> to sell
[02:18] <Juzzy> you need milk goats for that
[02:18] <Juzzy> and you have to milk them
[02:18] <Omnifrog> yeah
[02:18] <Omnifrog> that's why we don't have goats
[02:18] <Omnifrog> cause my wife is nuts
[02:19] <Juzzy> what do you do for a living?
[02:19] <Omnifrog> .... I'm a lumberjack
[02:19] <Juzzy> seriously?
[02:19] <Omnifrog> and a farmer
[02:19] <Omnifrog> yeas
[02:20] <Juzzy> and somehow you ended up on an irc network for linux?
[02:20] <Omnifrog> it's a long story
[02:20] <Juzzy> :p
[02:20] <Juzzy> you're like peter from office space?
[02:21] <Omnifrog> never seen it
[02:21] <Juzzy> l33t hax0r back in cali, moved to tn to farm
[02:21] <Juzzy> heh
[02:22] <Omnifrog> my wife dragged me here after we got married
[02:22] <Omnifrog> it's lovely country
[02:24] <Juzzy> ya, it is
[02:24] <Juzzy> I'm almost a lumberjack heh
[02:24] <Juzzy> I'm cutting down cedar posts for all my trellising
[02:24] <Juzzy> our area has a weed called "red cedar trees"
[02:25] <Juzzy> they grow every damn where
[02:25] <Omnifrog> I have to put in about 4800 feet of barbed wire fence in the next month
[02:25] <Omnifrog> that should be fun
[02:26] <Juzzy> hah yea
[02:26] <Juzzy> saturday we're installing 15,000 ft of high tensile 12.5 ga wire ;/
[02:26] <Omnifrog> what fer?
[02:26] <Juzzy> i feel your pain there
[02:27] <Juzzy> trellising
[02:27] <Omnifrog> ooh, grapes
[02:27] <Omnifrog> yeah
[02:27] <Juzzy> 200' long rows, 3-4 strands pre row, 10ft apart
[02:27] <Juzzy> = 22 rows or so
[02:28] <Omnifrog> how are you driving the posts into the ground?
[02:28] <Juzzy> tractor + 12" auger
[02:28] <Omnifrog> +1
[02:28] <Omnifrog> I cant do that for the fence
[02:28] <Juzzy> 12" is a little too big, but oh well
[02:28] <Juzzy> why not?
[02:28] <Juzzy> t-posts?
[02:28] <Omnifrog> it's all in very hilly woods
[02:29] <Juzzy> ya welcome to tennessee, limestone land
[02:29] <Omnifrog> it alll gotta be done on foot bu hand
[02:29] <Omnifrog> by*
[02:30] <Omnifrog> so ... blerg
[02:30] <Juzzy> what most rednecks do
[02:30] <Juzzy> it top the trees and attach the wire to existing trees :p
[02:31] <Omnifrog> that would be nice
[02:31] <Omnifrog> can't really do that though
[02:32] <Omnifrog> I have a lot of trees down back there too
[02:33] <Omnifrog> so basically, Fun month
[02:33] <Omnifrog> yay
[02:33] <Juzzy> ya sounds like it :(
[02:34] <Juzzy> u raise chickens?
[02:35] <Juzzy> If I ever become a farm, I'll do like the polyface farms from omnivour's delima (book) does
[02:35] <Omnifrog> no, but my family does
[02:35] <Juzzy> he claims he's a "grass farmer"
[02:35] <Juzzy> but he raises an obscene amount of chickens, cows, pigs, etc
[02:36] <Juzzy> but he has like 11 pastures and he rotates everyhitng around daily
[02:36] <Juzzy> all of his chicken broiler boxes have wheels and he moved them all over 1 spot and they pick it clean
[02:36] <Juzzy> and the chickens eat the grubs and larvie from the 3 day old cow manure in the pasture
[02:36] <Juzzy> etc
[02:37] <Juzzy> but he produces like 30,000 dozen eggs
[02:37] <Juzzy> and sells thousands of broiler chickens
[02:37] <Juzzy> it's all organic, grass fed, blah blah
[02:38] <Juzzy> so he gets a premium for it all, pretty interesting
[02:39] <Omnifrog> sorry, brb. putting kids to bed
[02:55] <Juzzy> dang, they stay up late
[03:32] <Juzzy> hehe all 3 of mine still go to bed at 7:30 :D
[03:34] <Omnifrog> oh, you have little ones
[03:52] <Omnifrog> I has to have a sleep too
[03:52] <Omnifrog> night folks
[07:51] <cyberanger> night Omnifrog|Pond
[12:38]  * wrst is glad to see Omnifrog sticking around
[13:52] <cyberanger> how's it going Omnifrog
[13:55] <wrst> cyberanger: you doing ok?
[14:10] <cyberanger> yeah
[14:16] <wrst> good I've been reading all the rolling release debate... interesting stuff
[15:59] <Omnifrog> hiya wrst n cyberanger
[16:00] <Omnifrog> Yes, I'm adept at the art of lurking
[16:01] <wrst> Omnifrog: we all are !
[16:01] <wrst> so welcome lurker :)
[16:02] <Omnifrog> :D
[16:02] <Omnifrog> I need lunch food
[16:02] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: what area of chatt?
[16:04] <Omnifrog> Ooltewah area
[16:04] <Omnifrog> I'm in the woods
[16:04] <wrst> that's a good place to be :)
[16:05] <Omnifrog> yeah. it's pretty country
[16:05] <Omnifrog> I'm ready for the trees to be green though
[16:06] <wrst> i have noticed the grass getting green here before it turned white
[16:28] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: I was in McDonald when I first came to TN
[16:29] <cyberanger> so I fully understand the appeal
[16:29] <cyberanger> I can tell your not too far in the woods, EPB Fiber ;-)
[16:30] <cyberanger> used to take US-11 thru Ooltewah to Hamiliton Place (still do actually, when I go, more fun vs the interstate)
[16:34] <Omnifrog> yeah, EPB has 100% coverage out here cause of smart grid buzzword
[16:35] <Omnifrog> the fiber is teh awesome
[16:36] <Omnifrog> only problem is internet drops out for 15-30 sec every so often
[16:36] <Omnifrog> which is really irritating when I'm on the air
[16:40] <cyberanger> radio?
[16:40] <Omnifrog> yeah. speaking of which... crap
[16:41] <Omnifrog> looks like I have to on it in 18 minutes
[16:43] <Omnifrog> *be on it
[16:50] <cyberanger> hrm...
[16:52] <wrst> cyberanger: http://ccgi.kitsbury.force9.co.uk/kol/index.php?whsmodule=schedule
[16:52] <Omnifrog> I love it when DJs decide they have to leave an hour early and tell me about it 40 minutes later :\
[16:55] <wrst> Omnifrog: that gives you 20 minutes what else do you want? ;)
[16:55] <Omnifrog> hehe
[16:56] <Omnifrog> who needs prep time >.>
[17:10] <cyberanger> DJOmnifrog: nice
[17:13] <DJOmnifrog> :D
[17:19] <wrst> http://www.iloveubuntu.net/mark-shuttleworth-not-convinced-rolling-releases-can-we-make-even-more-releases-year
[17:38] <DJOmnifrog> fun songs
[17:41] <wrst> hello average_1uy
[17:42] <wrst> DJOmnifrog: I will tune in sometime when I'm not on the phone at work!
[17:42] <DJOmnifrog> dang work
[17:42] <DJOmnifrog> it's always getting in the way
[17:42] <wrst> i know
[17:43] <wrst> but someone has to do it i suppose
[17:44] <DJOmnifrog> we should find someone and beat them for not doing it!
[17:54] <wrst> DJOmnifrog: there you go ;)
[17:57] <DJOmnifrog> it's my song!
[18:22]  * cyberanger always finds it funny when a DJ says that
[18:29] <wrst> cyberanger: how are things going for you?
[18:31] <cyberanger> not much has changed since this morning, doing ok
[18:31] <wrst> oh yeah that was this morning... sorry cyberanger
[18:31]  * wrst is slightly confused
[18:33] <cyberanger> wrst: it's all good, and I meant more like, it's been a slow day since I clocked out this morning
[18:33] <cyberanger> not uh, yeah...
[18:36] <wrst> well slow is good, its how my brain works all the time :)
[18:37] <cyberanger> hey, if that keeps the red ink usage low, sounds fine to me! ;-)
[18:38] <wrst> ha ha
[18:38] <wrst> ahh
[18:38]  * wrst see cyberanger has a tweet today 
[18:42] <cyberanger> yeah, figured it was time to be a twit & send a tweet
[18:43] <wrst> I send 5 or so a year I think :)
[18:50] <DJOmnifrog> I don't remember if I'v tweeted in the last year or not
[19:00] <wrst> ha ha DJOmnifrog what is wrong with you? :)
[19:04] <Omnifrog> my blood alcohol level is too low
[19:08] <wrst> ha
[21:08] <Omnifrog> well nuts
[21:08] <wrst> what's up Omnifrog?
[21:10] <Omnifrog> it's been so long since I tried to boot into one of the other installs on the desktop I forgot the password
[21:12] <bill_gill> will deleting the /dev/sdd1 file correct this problem?
[21:13] <bill_gill> Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sdd1: Command-line `mount "/mnt/sdd1"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1,
[21:13] <bill_gill>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[21:13] <bill_gill>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[21:13] <bill_gill>        dmesg | tail  or so
[21:13] <wrst> bill_gill: what are you trying to mount?
[21:14] <bill_gill> sdd1, i can mount it via gparted and sudo but when i boot it prompts to skip or manual repair it
[21:15] <bill_gill> it's like a ghost
[21:16] <wrst> well the easiest thing woudl be if you don't want it mounting on boot would be to comment it out in fstab
[21:16] <wrst> if you are sure you don't need it
[21:17] <bill_gill> sdd1 exists
[21:17] <bill_gill> I need it but i need to get past this error msg
[21:17] <wrst> can you mount it with your file manager?
[21:20] <wrst> this has some info on not mounting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839579
[21:20] <cyberanger> bill_gill: it might exist later in the boot process or be an fstab error
[21:20] <bill_gill> can't mount at all now
[21:21] <bill_gill> let me check fstab
[21:21] <wrst> thanks cyberanger, about to ask for help :)
[21:21] <cyberanger> another thought, in fstab, if it's metioning it by block name (sdd1) try switching to UUID
[21:26] <bill_gill> fstab is a mess
[21:27] <cyberanger> never seen a nice and neat one, but many functional ones, anything I can do to get it to function better, lemme know
[21:30] <wrst> cyberanger: i am rather proud of my fstab: http://pastebin.com/G6QHT8aM
[21:32] <bill_gill> so i need to reboot after edit?
[21:33] <wrst> bill_gill: if you are just wanting to check out a sudo mount /path/to/mount you don't have to reboot...
[21:33] <wrst> oh well i guess he did :)
[21:34] <Omnifrog> my filesystem is confusing me :\
[21:38] <Omnifrog> next time I build I'n NOT going to procrastinate !
[21:39] <Omnifrog> I clean things up instead of just linking/mounting things where I can get at them
[21:39] <Unit193> wrst: Now, what's your crontab look like?
[21:43] <wrst> ha Unit193
[21:43]  * wrst wonders what happeend to bill_gill
[21:43] <Unit193> What?  I rather like mine...
[21:49] <bill_gill> no luck so far
[21:49] <bill_gill> same problem ... error when booting (error mounting /mnt/2TB) select S or M.
[21:51] <cyberanger> looked at dmesg to see if any related output occured
[21:54] <wrst> bill_gill: if that is an ext4 drive I have had that same error when something powered off wrong or something along those lines
[21:55] <bill_gill> it is ext4
[21:56] <bill_gill> it could be a permission problem
[21:56] <wrst> I wouldn't think so with that error
[21:56] <bill_gill> ie /mnt or /etc
[21:57] <cyberanger> well, that error can't rule much out either
[21:57] <wrst> cyberanger: knows more on this than me
[21:57] <bill_gill> what should the permissions be in /mnt?
[21:57] <wrst> true cyberanger, i used e2fsck to fix my issue like that
[21:57] <cyberanger> only on a good day wrst, and today has been very good
[21:58] <wrst> :)
[21:58] <wrst> oh and bill_gill are you using LVM?
[21:58] <cyberanger> bill_gill: not a bad idea, can you run e2fsck on /dev/sdd1
[21:58] <cyberanger> and are you using that in fstab or it's UUID
[21:59] <bill_gill> it was /dev/sdd1. i changed it to UUID .... same problem
[22:00] <bill_gill> run it on sdd1?
[22:00] <cyberanger> uh, better use this instead
[22:01] <cyberanger> sudo e2fsck /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID
[22:01] <cyberanger> replace $UUID with it's UUID
[22:07] <bill_gill> can the drive be found post boot if not in fstab?
[22:07] <wrst> yes
[22:07] <cyberanger> yeah, fstab is just mounting instructions
[22:07] <cyberanger> the drive itself is still there
[22:07] <wrst> sudo fdisk -l
[22:07] <bill_gill> ok, i removed them from fstab on the last boot
[22:07] <wrst> that will list them all for you
[22:08] <bill_gill> ok, sdd1 is there
[22:09] <bill_gill> can i use diskid with e2fsck?
[22:09] <cyberanger> yes
[22:10] <cyberanger> /dev/disk/by-label/$LABEL
[22:10] <cyberanger> UUID
[22:10] <cyberanger> so on
[22:10] <bill_gill> got the UUID from gparted
[22:13] <cyberanger> sudo e2fsck /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID
[22:13] <bill_gill> ok, it ran
[22:13] <bill_gill> 1TB: clean, 11663/61054976 files, 188290890/244190208 block
[22:15] <bill_gill> gparted has 'mount' greyed out.
[22:34] <bill_gill> ok, got most of in cleaned thanks for help
[22:34] <bill_gill> one more item
[22:35] <bill_gill> the drives are mounting to /mnt.... where should the be to show in file browser
[22:35] <Omnifrog>  /media
[22:36] <bill_gill> should that be automatic at startup?
[22:37] <bill_gill> or is that go in fstab
[22:40] <Omnifrog> if the're mounted in fstab I would think they should be available from a file browser
[22:41] <Omnifrog> that's how it's always worked
[22:52] <bill_gill> i'm back after boot. errors gone from startup so fstab is fixed. devices are not showing in file explorer.
[22:52] <bill_gill> so auto mount to /media is not happening
[22:52] <bill_gill> my usb device is showing so its just the drives
[22:54] <Omnifrog> can you navigate to /mnt and open them there?
[22:54] <bill_gill> yes
[22:55] <Omnifrog> oh, what desktop environment are you in ?
[22:55] <bill_gill> 12.10
[22:56] <Omnifrog> Dolphin shows mounted drives automatically in KDE
[22:58] <Omnifrog> but yeah, that would be a file manager issue
[22:59] <wrst> Unity (nautilus) will not show mounted drives in /mnt but will in /media
[22:59] <bill_gill> right, what puts them in /media?
[23:00] <bill_gill> so i messed up something when partitioning with gparted. that's when this broke.
[23:00] <bill_gill> should i fstab them into media?
[23:00] <wrst> just change your mount point
[23:01] <wrst> if you are using fstabe yes just change /mnt/mountpoint to /media/mountpoint
[23:01] <wrst> i don't know of any drawacks to mounting to /media but someone else may
[23:02] <Omnifrog> eh, it's just a different folder
[23:02] <Omnifrog> I don't even know why /media was added
[23:02] <wrst> me either Omnifrog
[23:02] <wrst> and I sure don't know why nautilus looks there instead of /mnt
[23:02] <Omnifrog> one day it just showed up in an update
[23:03] <wrst> and that is gnome-centric on arch i have to have them mount to /media instead of /mnt but if using kde i have to move them all over to /mnt from /media :)
[23:03] <Omnifrog> Dolphin apparently looks in both places
[23:03] <wrst> hmm yes it does Omnifrog
[23:03]  * wrst just looked at his kde setup and sees that
[23:05] <wrst> Omnifrog: that is by design it appears: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711376
[23:05] <wrst> judging by comment 1
[23:08] <bill_gill> ok, for the record... it's /media/(username)/
[23:09] <Omnifrog> that's what happens when they go add new wizzbang features to a stable user interface >.>
[23:09]  * Omnifrog wave cane in the air. shouts at cloud
[23:10] <wrst> ha ha Omnifrog
[23:10]  * wrst heads out for the night
[23:10] <bill_gill> cloud drops rain, snow, sleet... strikes man down with lightning
[23:10] <bill_gill> so.. now next issue
[23:11] <bill_gill> they are loading wit root priv making me enter pw each time
[23:12] <bill_gill> oh, nevermind... just the folders that where there prior to this debakkle
[23:12] <bill_gill> ty Omnifrog, wrst, others!
[23:12] <bill_gill> great to be in W. TN today
[23:15] <Omnifrog> guh. kids want me to feed them.  AGAIN