| Kilos- | hi superflyand others | 05:38 |
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| Kilos- | ai! why konversation leaves out the space after tab | 05:39 |
| Squirm | morning | 05:49 |
| Squirm | Kilos-: I know in xchat, you can set it | 05:49 |
| Kilos- | lol | 05:51 |
| Kilos- | hiya Squirm quassel did the same thing | 05:52 |
| Kilos- | there lotsa conf stuff. maybe ill find it | 05:52 |
| Kilos- | i made a doff move last night. used 721m night surfer to get lubuntu 12.04. maybe i shoulda tried to get 12.10 going rather | 05:56 |
| Kilos- | Squirm: have a look at k3b. im sure its even better than brasero, and if im not mad it writes a smaller iso to cd | 05:58 |
| Kilos- | downloaded 721 in the iso and it shows the cd as 688m | 05:59 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:05 |
| Kilos- | morning inetpro , power on? | 06:11 |
| Squirm | Kilos-: you have to remember the different ways to give size | 06:20 |
| Squirm | kb, kB | 06:20 |
| Squirm | big B little b | 06:20 |
| Squirm | Bytes and bits | 06:20 |
| Squirm | they're annoying :/ | 06:21 |
| Kilos- | no man the bit byte thing can never alter from 721mB to 688mb or vice versa | 06:22 |
| Kilos- | oh you mean when in chat here | 06:22 |
| Squirm | true | 06:22 |
| Squirm | you're right | 06:23 |
| Squirm | but I've seen that in Brasero too | 06:23 |
| Kilos- | ive also tried to burn an iso to cd and brasero said the cd is too small and then i found a link online that said try k3b and it worked | 06:24 |
| Kilos- | was a 733mB iso if im not mistaken | 06:25 |
| Squirm | another convention people do | 06:26 |
| Squirm | is they take it as 1000 instead of 1024 | 06:26 |
| Kilos- | i'm too doff to do that. i let the tools do their own thing | 06:27 |
| Squirm | so 10mb in kb is 10*1024, but some people take it as 10*1000 | 06:34 |
| Squirm | meh | 06:34 |
| Kilos- | aha | 06:36 |
| Kilos- | hi henkj | 06:37 |
| henkj | hi Kilos- | 06:37 |
| henkj | why the tail today? | 06:38 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | ? | 06:38 |
| Kilos | just saw it now | 06:38 |
| henkj | :) | 06:38 |
| Kilos | ty | 06:38 |
| henkj | looked like you had an arrow in your nick, since my client wraps nicks in <> | 06:39 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 06:39 |
| Kilos | oh i see konversation also wraps nicks like that | 06:40 |
| superfly | Kilos: it's the difference between MB and MiB | 06:40 |
| Kilos | oh superfly is MiB the 1024 one? | 06:41 |
| superfly | I *think* so | 06:41 |
| superfly | I can't remember | 06:41 |
| Kilos | ive been wondering what the extra i was for | 06:41 |
| Kilos | KiB too i think ive seen | 06:41 |
| superfly | yup | 06:42 |
| superfly | GiB, TiB, etc | 06:42 |
| Kilos | weird, like saying ten rand can become ten randr so its worth R10.10 | 06:42 |
| Kilos | wonderful how stuff can be manipulated | 06:43 |
| henkj | yes MB is the SI one so it's powers of ten, MiB is the binary one | 06:43 |
| Kilos | i know the bits and bytes of many years ago. no one thought of TB and GB back then | 06:44 |
| Kilos | when i bought a 4GB drive i said wow | 06:44 |
| superfly | morning ThatGraemeGuy | 06:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning :) | 06:46 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:47 |
| Kilos | hi vinnie | 06:47 |
| Kilos | sorry Vinnie | 06:48 |
| Kilos | can someone explain the global thing to me? like global away | 06:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | eh? | 06:50 |
| Kilos | if im away im away not global nothing | 06:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | in what context? | 06:50 |
| Kilos | its a word used in the new world. global this and global that | 06:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh! global just means "everywhere" | 06:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | (that seems too simple, I think I'm missing the point) | 06:52 |
| Kilos | i understand a global jam , to me thats when peeps from all over the world jam online kinda | 06:52 |
| inetpro | Kilos: oh yes the power came on again at about 23:10 | 07:03 |
| Kilos | whew | 07:03 |
| inetpro | same time when you knocked off | 07:03 |
| Kilos | took 45 mins to wget lubuntu 12.10 | 07:03 |
| Kilos | was poegaai by then | 07:03 |
| Kilos | but burned the cd incase i had to reinstall this morning | 07:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:04 |
| inetpro | ai! | 07:04 |
| inetpro | amazing how it seems that our power failure of yesterday is one big mystery | 07:08 |
| Kilos | weird. coulda been a surge or something then the guy that resets it was home having supper then watched his favourite soapies and a movie then went and flipped the circuit breaker back on | 07:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: exactly | 07:17 |
| Kilos | time means nothing to some | 07:17 |
| Kilos | and the stuff you jack im fine attitude | 07:18 |
| Kilos | oops is stuff a swearword? | 07:18 |
| Kilos | Squirm: will jump on me | 07:18 |
| Vince-0 | Heyo | 07:26 |
| Vince-0 | My friends call me Vin but you can call me Vincent | 07:26 |
| inetpro | good morning Vin | 07:35 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what's that about Jack? | 07:36 |
| Kilos | thats the attitude inetpro | 07:37 |
| Kilos | let them wait till it suits me | 07:39 |
| Kilos | sorry Vincent | 07:39 |
| Vince-0 | Hey! | 08:04 |
| Vince-0 | Y'talkin to me | 08:04 |
| * Squirm eyes Kilos | 08:07 | |
| * Kilos ducks | 08:08 | |
| superfly | Vince-0: Yes. Yes I am. What are you going to do about it? | 08:12 |
| superfly | Run away, it seems. | 08:12 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:14 |
| * Kilos hides behind superfly | 08:14 | |
| Kilos | hiya Superhuman, all good with you? | 08:24 |
| Superhuman | yeah, just fighting with git | 09:29 |
| Vince-0 | Lots of blog posts regarding Ubuntu community and Canonical recently! | 10:34 |
| Vince-0 | http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=7670 | 10:34 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, the vUDS stirred up a lot | 10:36 |
| Vince-0 | also Mir, rolling releases, closed doors etc | 10:37 |
| tumbleweed | what's interesting is that the doors weren't really any more closed than in the past | 10:38 |
| tumbleweed | Mir was developed in secret, sure, but it's been announced now while it's still in early stages | 10:38 |
| tumbleweed | dropping the non-LTS releases will probably happen, but hopefully we'll keep 13.04 | 10:39 |
| tumbleweed | the trouble with the closed doors thing, is I never know how much Canonical is going to push something, vs discuss it | 10:39 |
| Vince-0 | Do you feel discouraged as a result? | 10:44 |
| tumbleweed | a little, but also excited | 10:46 |
| tumbleweed | I've done more work on Ubuntu in the last week than teh last 3 months | 10:46 |
| Vince-0 | any reason? | 10:46 |
| tumbleweed | communities *really* don't like change, so everyone (including me was quite upset at the idea of these big changes) | 10:47 |
| tumbleweed | err should have closed that bracket sooner | 10:47 |
| tumbleweed | but if we can figure out how to do this right, I'd *LOVE* to have Ubuntu on my phone :) | 10:48 |
| Vince-0 | yar me2 | 10:49 |
| Vince-0 | it seems the only issue is that they - Canonical - are pretty bad at communicating change to make it easier | 10:51 |
| Vince-0 | for the community leaders to work with | 10:51 |
| tumbleweed | it was way too last minute | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | but one also has a fine line to walk on | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | if you start discussion too early, you get bogged down in the dicsussion - you need to have something concrete to talk about (a proposal, or code) | 10:52 |
| Vince-0 | I guess any change rattles the cages | 10:55 |
| Vince-0 | some suggest a foundation to take care of the open community | 10:56 |
| Vince-0 | see the k/xubuntu post @ planet.ubuntu.com | 10:56 |
| Symmetria | haha I just got asked on a mailing list how I got google to fix certain things and what the process was, I replied, the process officially is not one I follow, since those things are time consuming and generally arent effective, go to the source, contact the right people and let that be that | 10:57 |
| Symmetria | ;p that made all the process people shout at me | 10:58 |
| Vince-0 | you got Google to fix certain things? | 10:59 |
| Symmetria | heh Vince-0 v6 routing issues | 10:59 |
| Symmetria | google, facebook, yahoo, and practically every other tech company, the processes to get shit fixed never work | 11:00 |
| Symmetria | so you bypass the whole lot and go to the internal contacts, the engineers you know | 11:00 |
| Symmetria | and without fail that gets stuff fixed a lot faster | 11:00 |
| Vince-0 | ah yes, | 11:00 |
| Vince-0 | See! An Ubuntu foundation announced: | 11:01 |
| Vince-0 | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/UbuntuFoundation | 11:01 |
| Vince-0 | ow wait, I'm missing the point | 11:01 |
| Symmetria | heh I always say to every network engineer who asks how I manage to get things done they fail to do, its NOT about what I know, its about the fact that I've spent years making sure I know *everyone* | 11:01 |
| Symmetria | contacts work, process doesnt ;p | 11:02 |
| tumbleweed | google has no process for support. it's pretty much "Contact a google engineer you know" | 11:04 |
| tumbleweed | they have too many users to offer any other support | 11:04 |
| Vince-0 | yar | 11:04 |
| tumbleweed | AFAIK they officially sanction the "contact an engineer you know" approach | 11:05 |
| Symmetria | tumbleweed well, they do have a fairly decent ONC | 11:08 |
| Symmetria | NOC | 11:08 |
| Symmetria | and sometimes you will be told to log an official ticket through that | 11:08 |
| Symmetria | but not all that often | 11:08 |
| Symmetria | particularly on network issues | 11:08 |
| inetpro | Google's account lockout processes suck big time | 11:12 |
| inetpro | even after paying I didn't manage to get them to unlock my daughters account | 11:12 |
| inetpro | they keep mailing I should add more info in the request | 11:13 |
| inetpro | sad fact is that she only started using her account for G+ and simply forgot the password | 11:14 |
| inetpro | crazy world we live in | 11:14 |
| inetpro | Superhuman: Happy Birthday! | 11:18 |
| inetpro | oops | 11:18 |
| inetpro | superfly: Happy Birthday! | 11:18 |
| inetpro | tab completion fail | 11:19 |
| superfly | inetpro: eh? | 11:22 |
| superfly | Guest6251: you've come at a great time, we're talking about the future of Ubuntu | 11:22 |
| superfly | what with recent announcements that Mark has made | 11:22 |
| superfly | nutters | 11:26 |
| inetpro | superfly: I like your cake | 11:27 |
| inetpro | :-) | 11:27 |
| * inetpro very hungry now | 11:27 | |
| superfly | it was OK | 11:27 |
| Superhuman | happy bday superfly | 11:57 |
| superfly | Superhuman: well, it's not mine, it's my company | 11:58 |
| superfly | *company's | 11:58 |
| magespawn | howdy all | 12:01 |
| magespawn | Happy birthdays in order | 12:01 |
| Symmetria | haha man, someone just asked me for a cv for something | 12:29 |
| Symmetria | I havent updated a CV in 10 years and I suck at writing shit about myself | 12:29 |
| Squirm | Symmetria: http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae | 12:48 |
| Squirm | :P | 12:49 |
| Squirm | makes a nice looking CV | 12:49 |
| magespawn | Squirm: looks like a useful link ty | 12:53 |
| Symmetria | lol I got the CV done, had to edit the old one, the problem is that my CV isn't exactly short | 13:04 |
| Symmetria | and I had to go through it removing skill sets for technology no one has used in god knows how long | 13:05 |
| Symmetria | ;p | 13:05 |
| theblazehen | lol | 13:05 |
| theblazehen | hi henkj | 13:06 |
| henkj | hi theblazehen | 13:06 |
| Symmetria | heh managed to get my CV down to 10 pages long | 13:15 |
| Symmetria | that makes it readable instead of the 22 pages it was ;p | 13:16 |
| theblazehen | :) | 13:16 |
| * Symmetria is pretty sure no one gives a crap about the fact that I can implement 384kbit x.21 circuits ;p | 13:16 | |
| theblazehen | that seems like a pretty cool thing to be able to do. If you can also program COBOL i'm sure you can get hired | 13:17 |
| * superfly can program in COBOL | 13:25 | |
| theblazehen | superfly, Wow 0_o | 13:25 |
| magespawn | thats almost prehistory stuff that | 13:57 |
| magespawn | superfly: you showing your age | 13:58 |
| magespawn | is that not from vacuum tube days and steam power? | 13:59 |
| magespawn | COBOL 2002 or the original? | 13:59 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 14:00 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 14:01 |
| Kilos | im so sad | 14:01 |
| Kilos | was up till early wgetting lubuntu 12.04 and it has the same curse | 14:02 |
| Kilos | Trix[a]r_za: ping | 14:03 |
| magespawn | curse? the screen probs? | 14:03 |
| Kilos | no not seeing modem probs | 14:04 |
| Kilos | and i dunno how to install sakis3g manually | 14:05 |
| Kilos | i gave up the screen prob and got lubuntu for that drive | 14:05 |
| magespawn | lets go see | 14:10 |
| magespawn | did you download it from that link i sent you before? | 14:13 |
| Kilos | its a tar.gz package | 14:13 |
| Kilos | yes ty | 14:13 |
| magespawn | you have to extract that | 14:13 |
| Kilos | yes and then | 14:13 |
| Kilos | only once on kde did it give the option to run in terminal when right clicked | 14:14 |
| magespawn | change the extracted file to an executable | 14:16 |
| Kilos | how do you do that sir | 14:17 |
| magespawn | did you change the file to an executable? | 14:17 |
| magespawn | chmode +x file.name where file.name = the extracted file | 14:18 |
| Kilos | i dunno how to do that but on this drive i have it that it can run from desktop | 14:18 |
| Kilos | ah will save that to stick and take hither ty magespawn | 14:19 |
| Kilos | chmore or chmod? | 14:19 |
| magespawn | let us know if it works or if there are more probs | 14:20 |
| magespawn | chmod | 14:20 |
| Kilos | ty. will arrive on lubuntu if i get it going. but will be later. sheep fetch time and supper preps | 14:20 |
| magespawn | cool | 14:21 |
| Squirm | magespawn: that cv website is nice | 14:28 |
| Symmetria | lol, new way to call my dog, haha, I bought this basketball, and haha, even if she's right on the other side of the house, if I bounce that ball even once, she hears it and comes flying to attack it | 14:31 |
| magespawn | later all home time | 14:35 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| Trixar_za | Kilos: pong | 15:02 |
| Kilos | hiya Trixar_za | 15:02 |
| Trixar_za | Hey | 15:02 |
| Kilos | i needed to know how to install your sakis package, but magespawntold me to extract and make it executable | 15:03 |
| Kilos | stupid 12.04 even on lubuntu dont see modem | 15:03 |
| Kilos | goog evening sir Vincent | 15:05 |
| Kilos | good too | 15:05 |
| Vince-0 | G'eve | 15:06 |
| Trixar_za | Right click-->Extract Here should work | 15:06 |
| Trixar_za | I think most Desktop environments has that function built in | 15:07 |
| Kilos | the extracting aint the prob | 15:07 |
| Kilos | its the installing | 15:07 |
| Kilos | once on kde i right clicked the extracted file and it gave the option to run in terminal | 15:08 |
| Kilos | but not on unity | 15:08 |
| Kilos | i wish they would get connman into a .deb package | 15:10 |
| Trixar_za | I think they have a launchpad repository for connman | 15:14 |
| Trixar_za | As for sakis3g, if all else fails, run it in a terminal | 15:15 |
| Kilos | oh ty i will check it out | 15:19 |
| Kilos | ai! the thing wants to open with firefox installer | 15:31 |
| Kilos | i dont even have firefox here | 15:31 |
| Kilos | grrr | 15:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | wow, where has the day gone? :-o | 15:48 |
| Kilos | you been busy hey? | 15:52 |
| Kilos | yo kbmonkey | 15:53 |
| kbmonkey | hi Kilos | 15:53 |
| kbmonkey | our meeting is on the 18th? | 15:53 |
| Kilos | thats right | 15:53 |
| kbmonkey | how are you Kilos ? | 15:56 |
| Kilos | ok ty kbmonkey and you? | 15:56 |
| Kilos | still fighting 12.04 in three flavours to see the 3g | 15:56 |
| kbmonkey | well ty. my sakis3g is still working | 15:57 |
| Kilos | only worked out how to get it first time on kde | 15:57 |
| Kilos | lol ive just asked the guys how to install sakis3g from the package | 15:58 |
| Kilos | yo Cantide | 16:00 |
| Cantide | hallo oom Kilos '-'/ | 16:00 |
| Kilos | hehe | 16:00 |
| Cantide | nou eet ek aaneete <- correct? | 16:00 |
| Cantide | aandeete * | 16:00 |
| * Cantide scolds his d key | 16:00 | |
| Kilos | aandete | 16:01 |
| Cantide | hah | 16:01 |
| Cantide | Afrikaans is tricky | 16:01 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos, I posted how to setup sakis3g if you need instructions? | 16:02 |
| Kilos | maar dit proe net soos supper | 16:02 |
| kbmonkey | hello Cantide | 16:02 |
| Kilos | yes please kbmonkey | 16:02 |
| Kilos | post it inna email | 16:02 |
| Kilos | or on my channel | 16:02 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos, http://wiki.darknet.co.za/pmwiki.php/Posts/Sakis3gUsbModem | 16:02 |
| Kilos | gracias | 16:02 |
| kbmonkey | youre welcome | 16:02 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey: the sakis site is down | 16:04 |
| Kilos | for months now | 16:04 |
| Kilos | dont you have Trixar_zas one? | 16:04 |
| Cantide | i am quite interested in Mir | 16:06 |
| Cantide | does anyone know more info? or have a link to more info? | 16:06 |
| kbmonkey | i know it's down Kilos, on that wiki page it shows where to get it | 16:06 |
| kbmonkey | what is Mir Cantide ? | 16:07 |
| Cantide | new Ubuntu display server to replace X | 16:08 |
| Cantide | apparently Wayland doesn't make the cut | 16:08 |
| Cantide | so they're making their own | 16:08 |
| Cantide | part of the convergence plan i think | 16:08 |
| Kilos | ty kbmonkey | 16:08 |
| Cantide | will be a while before it's rolled out though >.< | 16:08 |
| Kilos | got it saved here | 16:08 |
| Cantide | kbmonkey, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzg | 16:09 |
| kbmonkey | so they are rewriting the wheel? | 16:10 |
| kbmonkey | not that it's a bad thing long term, | 16:10 |
| Cantide | yeah | 16:10 |
| Cantide | i was looking forward to Wayland | 16:10 |
| kbmonkey | but if someone needs help with it, they can't pull from the vast existing knowledge of Xorg | 16:11 |
| Cantide | but maybe Mir will be great? | 16:11 |
| Cantide | yeah | 16:11 |
| kbmonkey | I assume it will support port forwarding too | 16:13 |
| * Cantide shrugs | 16:14 | |
| Cantide | is that part of a display server's functionality? | 16:14 |
| Cantide | i don't know much about it | 16:14 |
| Cantide | but this seems to be big news | 16:14 |
| kbmonkey | yes, it is a protocol that allows you to run applications remotely over ssh | 16:14 |
| Cantide | yup | 16:15 |
| kbmonkey | its what remote desktop works on, for example | 16:15 |
| Cantide | i didn't know the display server handled that though | 16:15 |
| Cantide | aah | 16:15 |
| kbmonkey | see windows does not have that so remoting on windows sends video data (basically) | 16:15 |
| Cantide | well, i'm sure they can't omit functionality that users need | 16:15 |
| kbmonkey | but with forwarding it sends the UI signals over tcp, very neat | 16:15 |
| Cantide | nice :) | 16:16 |
| Cantide | i mean, if they dumb down the OS for mobile, it will lose favour as a desktop OS | 16:16 |
| kbmonkey | i'm sure they will think of everything :) | 16:16 |
| Cantide | so i guess they won't do that | 16:16 |
| Cantide | anyway, i think it's only intended to ship with 14.04 LTS | 16:16 |
| Cantide | so it's still a while before we'll know the details | 16:17 |
| Cantide | but i think they want to have it ready for mobile | 16:17 |
| Cantide | I like the direction Ubuntu is taking though | 16:17 |
| Cantide | just gotta put up with the bumps along the way | 16:18 |
| kbmonkey | totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas | 16:18 |
| kbmonkey | the Linux world needs that | 16:18 |
| Cantide | yeah, watch the other OSes scramble to keep up, and steal ideas to stay relevant | 16:18 |
| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| Vince-0 | surp | 16:56 |
| kbmonkey | yo yo | 16:56 |
| kbmonkey | time for some chores | 16:56 |
| kbmonkey | be back laters :] | 16:57 |
| Cantide | see ya~ | 16:57 |
| Vince-0 | bbl | 17:02 |
| Kilos | night all.sleep tight | 17:18 |
| Squirm | best | 18:16 |
| Squirm | squash | 18:16 |
| Squirm | ever | 18:16 |
| kbmonkey | squash the veg? | 18:23 |
| Squirm | squash the sport | 18:24 |
| magespawn | evening all | 18:30 |
| kbmonkey | evening magespawn | 18:43 |
| kbmonkey | ah good one Squirm | 18:43 |
| magespawn | hey kbmonkey | 18:43 |
| kbmonkey | I hear thunder | 18:44 |
| Squirm | kbmonkey: very much so | 18:50 |
| Squirm | I beat someone WAY better than me | 18:50 |
| Symmetria | http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/woman-killed-by-lion-while-having-sex-1.1482223 | 18:50 |
| Symmetria | hahahahahahaha | 18:50 |
| zeref_debian | m | 19:12 |
| inetpro | 07/03 18:18:20 <kbmonkey> totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas | 19:28 |
| * inetpro agrees | 19:28 | |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:28 |
| inetpro | any form of life is a good sign | 19:30 |
| inetpro | oops... wrong channel | 19:30 |
| smile4ever | inetpro: hehe. good night ;) | 19:33 |
| inetpro | smile4ever: goeie nag meneer | 19:33 |
| smile4ever | dankie inetpro :) jy ook | 19:34 |
| kbmonkey | good evening inetpro | 19:40 |
| inetpro | kbmonkey: big storm in the news about Mir vs Wayland | 19:41 |
| inetpro | always good to have those storms | 19:42 |
| inetpro | somthing good will come from that for sure | 19:42 |
| superfly | working again, ThatGraemeGuy? | 20:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hrmmmm nope, just got the laptop on | 20:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | xchat opens automatically | 20:01 |
| * ThatGraemeGuy waves | 20:01 | |
| * superfly just never leaves | 20:19 | |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:30 |
| Vince-0 | cya gnight | 20:37 |
| Guest3437 | hey how u doing | 21:20 |
| === Kanchi is now known as Cantide | ||
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