[05:38] hi superflyand others [05:39] ai! why konversation leaves out the space after tab [05:49] morning [05:49] Kilos-: I know in xchat, you can set it [05:51] lol [05:52] hiya Squirm quassel did the same thing [05:52] there lotsa conf stuff. maybe ill find it [05:56] i made a doff move last night. used 721m night surfer to get lubuntu 12.04. maybe i shoulda tried to get 12.10 going rather [05:58] Squirm: have a look at k3b. im sure its even better than brasero, and if im not mad it writes a smaller iso to cd [05:59] downloaded 721 in the iso and it shows the cd as 688m [06:05] good mornings [06:11] morning inetpro , power on? [06:20] Kilos-: you have to remember the different ways to give size [06:20] kb, kB [06:20] big B little b [06:20] Bytes and bits [06:21] they're annoying :/ [06:22] no man the bit byte thing can never alter from 721mB to 688mb or vice versa [06:22] oh you mean when in chat here [06:22] true [06:23] you're right [06:23] but I've seen that in Brasero too [06:24] ive also tried to burn an iso to cd and brasero said the cd is too small and then i found a link online that said try k3b and it worked [06:25] was a 733mB iso if im not mistaken [06:26] another convention people do [06:26] is they take it as 1000 instead of 1024 [06:27] i'm too doff to do that. i let the tools do their own thing [06:34] so 10mb in kb is 10*1024, but some people take it as 10*1000 [06:34] meh [06:36] aha [06:37] hi henkj [06:37] hi Kilos- [06:38] why the tail today? === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [06:38] ? [06:38] just saw it now [06:38] :) [06:38] ty [06:39] looked like you had an arrow in your nick, since my client wraps nicks in <> [06:39] hahaha [06:40] oh i see konversation also wraps nicks like that [06:40] Kilos: it's the difference between MB and MiB [06:41] oh superfly is MiB the 1024 one? [06:41] I *think* so [06:41] I can't remember [06:41] ive been wondering what the extra i was for [06:41] KiB too i think ive seen [06:42] yup [06:42] GiB, TiB, etc [06:42] weird, like saying ten rand can become ten randr so its worth R10.10 [06:43] wonderful how stuff can be manipulated [06:43] yes MB is the SI one so it's powers of ten, MiB is the binary one [06:44] i know the bits and bytes of many years ago. no one thought of TB and GB back then [06:44] when i bought a 4GB drive i said wow [06:46] morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:46] morning :) [06:47] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:47] hi vinnie [06:48] sorry Vinnie [06:49] can someone explain the global thing to me? like global away [06:50] eh? [06:50] if im away im away not global nothing [06:50] in what context? [06:51] its a word used in the new world. global this and global that [06:51] oh! global just means "everywhere" [06:52] (that seems too simple, I think I'm missing the point) [06:52] i understand a global jam , to me thats when peeps from all over the world jam online kinda [07:03] Kilos: oh yes the power came on again at about 23:10 [07:03] whew [07:03] same time when you knocked off [07:03] took 45 mins to wget lubuntu 12.10 [07:03] was poegaai by then [07:04] but burned the cd incase i had to reinstall this morning [07:04] hehe [07:04] ai! [07:08] amazing how it seems that our power failure of yesterday is one big mystery [07:14] weird. coulda been a surge or something then the guy that resets it was home having supper then watched his favourite soapies and a movie then went and flipped the circuit breaker back on [07:17] Kilos: exactly [07:17] time means nothing to some [07:18] and the stuff you jack im fine attitude [07:18] oops is stuff a swearword? [07:18] Squirm: will jump on me [07:26] Heyo [07:26] My friends call me Vin but you can call me Vincent [07:35] good morning Vin [07:36] Kilos: what's that about Jack? [07:37] thats the attitude inetpro [07:39] let them wait till it suits me [07:39] sorry Vincent [08:04] Hey! [08:04] Y'talkin to me [08:07] * Squirm eyes Kilos [08:08] * Kilos ducks [08:12] Vince-0: Yes. Yes I am. What are you going to do about it? [08:12] Run away, it seems. [08:14] hehe [08:14] * Kilos hides behind superfly [08:24] hiya Superhuman, all good with you? [09:29] yeah, just fighting with git [10:34] Lots of blog posts regarding Ubuntu community and Canonical recently! [10:34] http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=7670 [10:36] yeah, the vUDS stirred up a lot [10:37] also Mir, rolling releases, closed doors etc [10:38] what's interesting is that the doors weren't really any more closed than in the past [10:38] Mir was developed in secret, sure, but it's been announced now while it's still in early stages [10:39] dropping the non-LTS releases will probably happen, but hopefully we'll keep 13.04 [10:39] the trouble with the closed doors thing, is I never know how much Canonical is going to push something, vs discuss it [10:44] Do you feel discouraged as a result? [10:46] a little, but also excited [10:46] I've done more work on Ubuntu in the last week than teh last 3 months [10:46] any reason? [10:47] communities *really* don't like change, so everyone (including me was quite upset at the idea of these big changes) [10:47] err should have closed that bracket sooner [10:48] but if we can figure out how to do this right, I'd *LOVE* to have Ubuntu on my phone :) [10:49] yar me2 [10:51] it seems the only issue is that they - Canonical - are pretty bad at communicating change to make it easier [10:51] for the community leaders to work with [10:52] it was way too last minute [10:52] but one also has a fine line to walk on [10:52] if you start discussion too early, you get bogged down in the dicsussion - you need to have something concrete to talk about (a proposal, or code) [10:55] I guess any change rattles the cages [10:56] some suggest a foundation to take care of the open community [10:56] see the k/xubuntu post @ planet.ubuntu.com [10:57] haha I just got asked on a mailing list how I got google to fix certain things and what the process was, I replied, the process officially is not one I follow, since those things are time consuming and generally arent effective, go to the source, contact the right people and let that be that [10:58] ;p that made all the process people shout at me [10:59] you got Google to fix certain things? [10:59] heh Vince-0 v6 routing issues [11:00] google, facebook, yahoo, and practically every other tech company, the processes to get shit fixed never work [11:00] so you bypass the whole lot and go to the internal contacts, the engineers you know [11:00] and without fail that gets stuff fixed a lot faster [11:00] ah yes, [11:01] See! An Ubuntu foundation announced: [11:01] http://www.ubuntu.com/news/UbuntuFoundation [11:01] ow wait, I'm missing the point [11:01] heh I always say to every network engineer who asks how I manage to get things done they fail to do, its NOT about what I know, its about the fact that I've spent years making sure I know *everyone* [11:02] contacts work, process doesnt ;p [11:04] google has no process for support. it's pretty much "Contact a google engineer you know" [11:04] they have too many users to offer any other support [11:04] yar [11:05] AFAIK they officially sanction the "contact an engineer you know" approach [11:08] tumbleweed well, they do have a fairly decent ONC [11:08] NOC [11:08] and sometimes you will be told to log an official ticket through that [11:08] but not all that often [11:08] particularly on network issues [11:12] Google's account lockout processes suck big time [11:12] even after paying I didn't manage to get them to unlock my daughters account [11:13] they keep mailing I should add more info in the request [11:14] sad fact is that she only started using her account for G+ and simply forgot the password [11:14] crazy world we live in [11:18] Superhuman: Happy Birthday! [11:18] oops [11:18] superfly: Happy Birthday! [11:19] tab completion fail [11:22] inetpro: eh? [11:22] Guest6251: you've come at a great time, we're talking about the future of Ubuntu [11:22] what with recent announcements that Mark has made [11:26] nutters [11:27] superfly: I like your cake [11:27] :-) [11:27] * inetpro very hungry now [11:27] it was OK [11:57] happy bday superfly [11:58] Superhuman: well, it's not mine, it's my company [11:58] *company's [12:01] howdy all [12:01] Happy birthdays in order [12:29] haha man, someone just asked me for a cv for something [12:29] I havent updated a CV in 10 years and I suck at writing shit about myself [12:48] Symmetria: http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae [12:49] :P [12:49] makes a nice looking CV [12:53] Squirm: looks like a useful link ty [13:04] lol I got the CV done, had to edit the old one, the problem is that my CV isn't exactly short [13:05] and I had to go through it removing skill sets for technology no one has used in god knows how long [13:05] ;p [13:05] lol [13:06] hi henkj [13:06] hi theblazehen [13:15] heh managed to get my CV down to 10 pages long [13:16] that makes it readable instead of the 22 pages it was ;p [13:16] :) [13:16] * Symmetria is pretty sure no one gives a crap about the fact that I can implement 384kbit x.21 circuits ;p [13:17] that seems like a pretty cool thing to be able to do. If you can also program COBOL i'm sure you can get hired [13:25] * superfly can program in COBOL [13:25] superfly, Wow 0_o [13:57] thats almost prehistory stuff that [13:58] superfly: you showing your age [13:59] is that not from vacuum tube days and steam power? [13:59] COBOL 2002 or the original? [14:00] hi magespawn [14:01] hey Kilos [14:01] im so sad [14:02] was up till early wgetting lubuntu 12.04 and it has the same curse [14:03] Trix[a]r_za: ping [14:03] curse? the screen probs? [14:04] no not seeing modem probs [14:05] and i dunno how to install sakis3g manually [14:05] i gave up the screen prob and got lubuntu for that drive [14:10] lets go see [14:13] did you download it from that link i sent you before? [14:13] its a tar.gz package [14:13] yes ty [14:13] you have to extract that [14:13] yes and then [14:14] only once on kde did it give the option to run in terminal when right clicked [14:16] change the extracted file to an executable [14:17] how do you do that sir [14:17] did you change the file to an executable? [14:18] chmode +x file.name where file.name = the extracted file [14:18] i dunno how to do that but on this drive i have it that it can run from desktop [14:19] ah will save that to stick and take hither ty magespawn [14:19] chmore or chmod? [14:20] let us know if it works or if there are more probs [14:20] chmod [14:20] ty. will arrive on lubuntu if i get it going. but will be later. sheep fetch time and supper preps [14:21] cool [14:28] magespawn: that cv website is nice [14:31] lol, new way to call my dog, haha, I bought this basketball, and haha, even if she's right on the other side of the house, if I bounce that ball even once, she hears it and comes flying to attack it [14:35] later all home time === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [15:02] Kilos: pong [15:02] hiya Trixar_za [15:02] Hey [15:03] i needed to know how to install your sakis package, but magespawntold me to extract and make it executable [15:03] stupid 12.04 even on lubuntu dont see modem [15:05] goog evening sir Vincent [15:05] good too [15:06] G'eve [15:06] Right click-->Extract Here should work [15:07] I think most Desktop environments has that function built in [15:07] the extracting aint the prob [15:07] its the installing [15:08] once on kde i right clicked the extracted file and it gave the option to run in terminal [15:08] but not on unity [15:10] i wish they would get connman into a .deb package [15:14] I think they have a launchpad repository for connman [15:15] As for sakis3g, if all else fails, run it in a terminal [15:19] oh ty i will check it out [15:31] ai! the thing wants to open with firefox installer [15:31] i dont even have firefox here [15:31] grrr [15:48] wow, where has the day gone? :-o [15:52] you been busy hey? [15:53] yo kbmonkey [15:53] hi Kilos [15:53] our meeting is on the 18th? [15:53] thats right [15:56] how are you Kilos ? [15:56] ok ty kbmonkey and you? [15:56] still fighting 12.04 in three flavours to see the 3g [15:57] well ty. my sakis3g is still working [15:57] only worked out how to get it first time on kde [15:58] lol ive just asked the guys how to install sakis3g from the package [16:00] yo Cantide [16:00] hallo oom Kilos '-'/ [16:00] hehe [16:00] nou eet ek aaneete <- correct? [16:00] aandeete * [16:00] * Cantide scolds his d key [16:01] aandete [16:01] hah [16:01] Afrikaans is tricky [16:02] Kilos, I posted how to setup sakis3g if you need instructions? [16:02] maar dit proe net soos supper [16:02] hello Cantide [16:02] yes please kbmonkey [16:02] post it inna email [16:02] or on my channel [16:02] Kilos, http://wiki.darknet.co.za/pmwiki.php/Posts/Sakis3gUsbModem [16:02] gracias [16:02] youre welcome [16:04] kbmonkey: the sakis site is down [16:04] for months now [16:04] dont you have Trixar_zas one? [16:06] i am quite interested in Mir [16:06] does anyone know more info? or have a link to more info? [16:06] i know it's down Kilos, on that wiki page it shows where to get it [16:07] what is Mir Cantide ? [16:08] new Ubuntu display server to replace X [16:08] apparently Wayland doesn't make the cut [16:08] so they're making their own [16:08] part of the convergence plan i think [16:08] ty kbmonkey [16:08] will be a while before it's rolled out though >.< [16:08] got it saved here [16:09] kbmonkey, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzg [16:10] so they are rewriting the wheel? [16:10] not that it's a bad thing long term, [16:10] yeah [16:10] i was looking forward to Wayland [16:11] but if someone needs help with it, they can't pull from the vast existing knowledge of Xorg [16:11] but maybe Mir will be great? [16:11] yeah [16:13] I assume it will support port forwarding too [16:14] * Cantide shrugs [16:14] is that part of a display server's functionality? [16:14] i don't know much about it [16:14] but this seems to be big news [16:14] yes, it is a protocol that allows you to run applications remotely over ssh [16:15] yup [16:15] its what remote desktop works on, for example [16:15] i didn't know the display server handled that though [16:15] aah [16:15] see windows does not have that so remoting on windows sends video data (basically) [16:15] well, i'm sure they can't omit functionality that users need [16:15] but with forwarding it sends the UI signals over tcp, very neat [16:16] nice :) [16:16] i mean, if they dumb down the OS for mobile, it will lose favour as a desktop OS [16:16] i'm sure they will think of everything :) [16:16] so i guess they won't do that [16:16] anyway, i think it's only intended to ship with 14.04 LTS [16:17] so it's still a while before we'll know the details [16:17] but i think they want to have it ready for mobile [16:17] I like the direction Ubuntu is taking though [16:18] just gotta put up with the bumps along the way [16:18] totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas [16:18] the Linux world needs that [16:18] yeah, watch the other OSes scramble to keep up, and steal ideas to stay relevant === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [16:56] surp [16:56] yo yo [16:56] time for some chores [16:57] be back laters :] [16:57] see ya~ [17:02] bbl [17:18] night all.sleep tight [18:16] best [18:16] squash [18:16] ever [18:23] squash the veg? [18:24] squash the sport [18:30] evening all [18:43] evening magespawn [18:43] ah good one Squirm [18:43] hey kbmonkey [18:44] I hear thunder [18:50] kbmonkey: very much so [18:50] I beat someone WAY better than me [18:50] http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/woman-killed-by-lion-while-having-sex-1.1482223 [18:50] hahahahahahaha [19:12] m [19:28] 07/03 18:18:20 totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas [19:28] * inetpro agrees [19:28] good evening [19:30] any form of life is a good sign [19:30] oops... wrong channel [19:33] inetpro: hehe. good night ;) [19:33] smile4ever: goeie nag meneer [19:34] dankie inetpro :) jy ook [19:40] good evening inetpro [19:41] kbmonkey: big storm in the news about Mir vs Wayland [19:42] always good to have those storms [19:42] somthing good will come from that for sure [20:00] working again, ThatGraemeGuy? [20:01] hrmmmm nope, just got the laptop on [20:01] xchat opens automatically [20:01] * ThatGraemeGuy waves [20:19] * superfly just never leaves [20:30] good night all [20:37] cya gnight [21:20] hey how u doing === Kanchi is now known as Cantide