[05:38] <Kilos-> hi superflyand others
[05:39] <Kilos-> ai! why konversation leaves out the space after tab
[05:49] <Squirm> morning
[05:49] <Squirm> Kilos-: I know in xchat, you can set it
[05:51] <Kilos-> lol
[05:52] <Kilos-> hiya Squirm quassel did the same thing
[05:52] <Kilos-> there lotsa conf stuff. maybe ill find it
[05:56] <Kilos-> i made a doff move last night. used 721m night surfer to get lubuntu 12.04. maybe i shoulda tried to get 12.10 going rather
[05:58] <Kilos-> Squirm: have a look at k3b. im sure its even better than brasero, and if im not mad it writes a smaller iso to cd
[05:59] <Kilos-> downloaded 721 in the iso and it shows the cd as 688m
[06:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:11] <Kilos-> morning inetpro , power on?
[06:20] <Squirm> Kilos-: you have to remember the different ways to give size
[06:20] <Squirm> kb, kB
[06:20] <Squirm> big B little b
[06:20] <Squirm> Bytes and bits
[06:21] <Squirm> they're annoying :/
[06:22] <Kilos-> no man the bit byte thing can never alter from 721mB to 688mb or vice versa
[06:22] <Kilos-> oh you mean when in chat here
[06:22] <Squirm> true
[06:23] <Squirm> you're right
[06:23] <Squirm> but I've seen that in Brasero too
[06:24] <Kilos-> ive also tried to burn an iso to cd and brasero said the cd is too small and then i found a link online that said try k3b and it worked
[06:25] <Kilos-> was a 733mB iso if im not mistaken
[06:26] <Squirm> another convention people do
[06:26] <Squirm> is they take it as 1000 instead of 1024
[06:27] <Kilos-> i'm too doff to do that. i let the tools do their own thing
[06:34] <Squirm> so 10mb in kb is 10*1024, but some people take it as 10*1000
[06:34] <Squirm> meh
[06:36] <Kilos-> aha
[06:37] <Kilos-> hi henkj
[06:37] <henkj> hi Kilos- 
[06:38] <henkj> why the tail today?
[06:38] <Kilos> ?
[06:38] <Kilos> just saw it now
[06:38] <henkj> :)
[06:38] <Kilos> ty
[06:39] <henkj> looked like you had an arrow in your nick, since my client wraps nicks in <>
[06:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:40] <Kilos> oh i see konversation also wraps nicks like that
[06:40] <superfly> Kilos: it's the difference between MB and MiB
[06:41] <Kilos> oh superfly is MiB the 1024 one?
[06:41] <superfly> I *think* so
[06:41] <superfly> I can't remember
[06:41] <Kilos> ive been wondering what the extra i was for
[06:41] <Kilos> KiB too i think ive seen
[06:42] <superfly> yup
[06:42] <superfly> GiB, TiB, etc
[06:42] <Kilos> weird, like saying ten rand can become ten randr so its worth R10.10
[06:43] <Kilos> wonderful how stuff can be manipulated
[06:43] <henkj> yes MB is the SI one so it's powers of ten, MiB is the binary one
[06:44] <Kilos> i know the bits and bytes of many years ago. no one thought of TB and GB back then
[06:44] <Kilos> when i bought a 4GB drive i said wow
[06:46] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:47] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:47] <Kilos> hi vinnie
[06:48] <Kilos> sorry Vinnie
[06:49] <Kilos> can someone explain the global thing to me? like global away
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[06:50] <Kilos> if im away im away not global nothing
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> in what context?
[06:51] <Kilos> its a word used in the new world. global this and global that
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh! global just means "everywhere"
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> (that seems too simple, I think I'm missing the point)
[06:52] <Kilos> i understand a global jam , to me thats when peeps from all over the world jam online kinda
[07:03] <inetpro> Kilos: oh yes the power came on again at about 23:10
[07:03] <Kilos> whew
[07:03] <inetpro> same time when you knocked off
[07:03] <Kilos> took 45 mins to wget lubuntu 12.10
[07:03] <Kilos> was poegaai by then
[07:04] <Kilos> but burned the cd incase i had to reinstall this morning
[07:04] <Kilos> hehe
[07:04] <inetpro> ai!
[07:08] <inetpro> amazing how it seems that our power failure of yesterday is one big mystery 
[07:14] <Kilos> weird. coulda been a surge or something then the guy that resets it was home having supper then watched his favourite soapies  and a movie then went and flipped the circuit breaker back on
[07:17] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[07:17] <Kilos> time means nothing to some
[07:18] <Kilos> and the stuff you jack im fine attitude
[07:18] <Kilos> oops is stuff a swearword?
[07:18] <Kilos> Squirm: will jump on me
[07:26] <Vince-0> Heyo
[07:26] <Vince-0> My friends call me Vin but you can call me Vincent
[07:35] <inetpro> good morning Vin
[07:36] <inetpro> Kilos: what's that about Jack?
[07:37] <Kilos> thats the attitude inetpro
[07:39] <Kilos> let them wait till it suits me
[07:39] <Kilos> sorry Vincent
[08:04] <Vince-0> Hey!
[08:04] <Vince-0> Y'talkin to me
[08:07]  * Squirm eyes Kilos 
[08:08]  * Kilos ducks
[08:12] <superfly> Vince-0: Yes. Yes I am. What are you going to do about it?
[08:12] <superfly> Run away, it seems.
[08:14] <Kilos> hehe
[08:14]  * Kilos hides behind superfly
[08:24] <Kilos> hiya Superhuman, all good with you?
[09:29] <Superhuman> yeah, just fighting with git
[10:34] <Vince-0> Lots of blog posts regarding Ubuntu community and Canonical recently!
[10:34] <Vince-0> http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=7670
[10:36] <tumbleweed> yeah, the vUDS stirred up a lot
[10:37] <Vince-0> also Mir, rolling releases, closed doors etc
[10:38] <tumbleweed> what's interesting is that the doors weren't really any more closed than in the past
[10:38] <tumbleweed> Mir was developed in secret, sure, but it's been announced now while it's still in early stages
[10:39] <tumbleweed> dropping the non-LTS releases will probably happen, but hopefully we'll keep 13.04
[10:39] <tumbleweed> the trouble with the closed doors thing, is I never know how much Canonical is going to push something, vs discuss it
[10:44] <Vince-0> Do you feel discouraged as a result?
[10:46] <tumbleweed> a little, but also excited
[10:46] <tumbleweed> I've done more work on Ubuntu in the last week than teh last 3 months
[10:46] <Vince-0> any reason?
[10:47] <tumbleweed> communities *really* don't like change, so everyone (including me was quite upset at the idea of these big changes)
[10:47] <tumbleweed> err should have closed that bracket sooner
[10:48] <tumbleweed> but if we can figure out how to do this right, I'd *LOVE* to have Ubuntu on my phone :)
[10:49] <Vince-0> yar me2
[10:51] <Vince-0> it seems the only issue is that they - Canonical - are pretty bad at communicating change to make it easier
[10:51] <Vince-0> for the community leaders to work with
[10:52] <tumbleweed> it was way too last minute
[10:52] <tumbleweed> but one also has a fine line to walk on
[10:52] <tumbleweed> if you start discussion too early, you get bogged down in the dicsussion - you need to have something concrete to talk about (a proposal, or code)
[10:55] <Vince-0> I guess any change rattles the cages
[10:56] <Vince-0> some suggest a foundation to take care of the open community
[10:56] <Vince-0> see the k/xubuntu post @ planet.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <Symmetria> haha I just got asked on a mailing list how I got google to fix certain things and what the process was, I replied, the process officially is not one I follow, since those things are time consuming and generally arent effective, go to the source, contact the right people and let that be that
[10:58] <Symmetria> ;p that made all the process people shout at me
[10:59] <Vince-0> you got Google to fix certain things?
[10:59] <Symmetria> heh Vince-0 v6 routing issues
[11:00] <Symmetria> google, facebook, yahoo, and practically every other tech company, the processes to get shit fixed never work
[11:00] <Symmetria> so you bypass the whole lot and go to the internal contacts, the engineers you know 
[11:00] <Symmetria> and without fail that gets stuff fixed a lot faster
[11:00] <Vince-0> ah yes,
[11:01] <Vince-0> See! An Ubuntu foundation announced:
[11:01] <Vince-0> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/UbuntuFoundation
[11:01] <Vince-0> ow wait, I'm missing the point
[11:01] <Symmetria> heh I always say to every network engineer who asks how I manage to get things done they fail to do, its NOT about what I know, its about the fact that I've spent years making sure I know *everyone*
[11:02] <Symmetria> contacts work, process doesnt ;p
[11:04] <tumbleweed> google has no process for support. it's pretty much "Contact a google engineer you know"
[11:04] <tumbleweed> they have too many users to offer any other support
[11:04] <Vince-0> yar
[11:05] <tumbleweed> AFAIK they officially sanction the "contact an engineer you know" approach
[11:08] <Symmetria> tumbleweed well, they do have a fairly decent ONC
[11:08] <Symmetria> NOC
[11:08] <Symmetria> and sometimes you will be told to log an official ticket through that
[11:08] <Symmetria> but not all that often
[11:08] <Symmetria> particularly on network issues
[11:12] <inetpro> Google's account lockout processes suck big time
[11:12] <inetpro> even after paying I didn't manage to get them to unlock my daughters account
[11:13] <inetpro> they keep mailing I should add more info in the request
[11:14] <inetpro> sad fact is that she only started using her account for G+ and simply forgot the password
[11:14] <inetpro> crazy world we live in
[11:18] <inetpro> Superhuman: Happy Birthday!
[11:18] <inetpro> oops
[11:18] <inetpro> superfly: Happy Birthday!
[11:19] <inetpro> tab completion fail
[11:22] <superfly> inetpro: eh?
[11:22] <superfly> Guest6251: you've come at a great time, we're talking about the future of Ubuntu
[11:22] <superfly> what with recent announcements that Mark has made
[11:26] <superfly> nutters
[11:27] <inetpro> superfly: I like your cake
[11:27] <inetpro> :-)
[11:27]  * inetpro very hungry now
[11:27] <superfly> it was OK
[11:57] <Superhuman> happy bday superfly
[11:58] <superfly> Superhuman: well, it's not mine, it's my company
[11:58] <superfly> *company's
[12:01] <magespawn> howdy all
[12:01] <magespawn> Happy birthdays in order
[12:29] <Symmetria> haha man, someone just asked me for a cv for something
[12:29] <Symmetria> I havent updated a CV in 10 years and I suck at writing shit about myself
[12:48] <Squirm> Symmetria: http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae
[12:49] <Squirm> :P
[12:49] <Squirm> makes a nice looking CV
[12:53] <magespawn> Squirm: looks like a useful link ty
[13:04] <Symmetria> lol I got the CV done, had to edit the old one, the problem is that my CV isn't exactly short
[13:05] <Symmetria> and I had to go through it removing skill sets for technology no one has used in god knows how long
[13:05] <Symmetria> ;p
[13:05] <theblazehen> lol
[13:06] <theblazehen> hi henkj 
[13:06] <henkj> hi theblazehen 
[13:15] <Symmetria> heh managed to get my CV down to 10 pages long
[13:16] <Symmetria> that makes it readable instead of the 22 pages it was ;p
[13:16] <theblazehen> :)
[13:16]  * Symmetria is pretty sure no one gives a crap about the fact that I can implement 384kbit x.21 circuits ;p
[13:17] <theblazehen> that seems like a pretty cool thing to  be able to do. If you can also program COBOL i'm sure you can get hired
[13:25]  * superfly can program in COBOL
[13:25] <theblazehen> superfly, Wow 0_o
[13:57] <magespawn> thats almost prehistory stuff that
[13:58] <magespawn> superfly: you showing your age
[13:59] <magespawn> is that not from vacuum tube days and steam power?
[13:59] <magespawn> COBOL 2002 or the original?
[14:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[14:01] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:01] <Kilos> im so sad
[14:02] <Kilos> was up till early wgetting lubuntu 12.04 and it has the same curse
[14:03] <Kilos> Trix[a]r_za: ping
[14:03] <magespawn> curse? the screen probs?
[14:04] <Kilos> no not seeing modem probs
[14:05] <Kilos> and i dunno how to install sakis3g manually
[14:05] <Kilos> i gave up the screen prob and got lubuntu for that drive
[14:10] <magespawn> lets go see
[14:13] <magespawn> did you download it from that link i sent you before?
[14:13] <Kilos> its a tar.gz package 
[14:13] <Kilos> yes ty
[14:13] <magespawn> you have to extract that
[14:13] <Kilos> yes and then
[14:14] <Kilos> only once on kde did it give the option to run in terminal when right clicked
[14:16] <magespawn> change the extracted file to an executable
[14:17] <Kilos> how do you do that sir
[14:17] <magespawn> did you change the file to an executable?
[14:18] <magespawn> chmode +x file.name where file.name = the extracted file
[14:18] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that but on this drive i have it that it can run from desktop
[14:19] <Kilos> ah will save that to stick and take hither ty magespawn
[14:19] <Kilos> chmore or chmod?
[14:20] <magespawn> let us know if it works or if there are more probs
[14:20] <magespawn> chmod
[14:20] <Kilos> ty. will arrive on lubuntu if i get it going. but will be later. sheep fetch time and supper preps
[14:21] <magespawn> cool
[14:28] <Squirm> magespawn: that cv website is nice
[14:31] <Symmetria> lol, new way to call my dog, haha, I bought this basketball, and haha, even if she's right on the other side of the house, if I bounce that ball even once, she hears it and comes flying to attack it
[14:35] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:02] <Trixar_za> Kilos: pong
[15:02] <Kilos> hiya Trixar_za
[15:02] <Trixar_za> Hey
[15:03] <Kilos> i needed to know how to install your sakis package, but magespawntold me to extract and make it executable
[15:03] <Kilos> stupid 12.04 even on lubuntu dont see modem
[15:05] <Kilos> goog evening sir Vincent
[15:05] <Kilos> good too
[15:06] <Vince-0> G'eve 
[15:06] <Trixar_za> Right click-->Extract Here should work
[15:07] <Trixar_za> I think most Desktop environments has that function built in
[15:07] <Kilos> the extracting aint the prob
[15:07] <Kilos> its the installing
[15:08] <Kilos> once on kde i right clicked the extracted file and it gave the option to run in terminal
[15:08] <Kilos> but not on unity
[15:10] <Kilos> i wish they would get connman into a .deb package
[15:14] <Trixar_za> I think they have a launchpad repository for connman
[15:15] <Trixar_za> As for sakis3g, if all else fails, run it in a terminal
[15:19] <Kilos> oh ty i will check it out
[15:31] <Kilos> ai! the thing wants to open with firefox installer
[15:31] <Kilos> i dont even have firefox here
[15:31] <Kilos> grrr
[15:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> wow, where has the day gone? :-o
[15:52] <Kilos> you been busy hey?
[15:53] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey
[15:53] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[15:53] <kbmonkey> our meeting is on the 18th?
[15:53] <Kilos> thats right
[15:56] <kbmonkey> how are you Kilos ?
[15:56] <Kilos> ok ty kbmonkey and you?
[15:56] <Kilos> still fighting 12.04 in three flavours to see the 3g
[15:57] <kbmonkey> well ty. my sakis3g is still working 
[15:57] <Kilos> only worked out how to get it first time on kde
[15:58] <Kilos> lol ive just asked the guys how to install sakis3g from the package
[16:00] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:00] <Cantide> hallo oom Kilos '-'/
[16:00] <Kilos> hehe
[16:00] <Cantide> nou eet ek aaneete <- correct?
[16:00] <Cantide> aandeete *
[16:00]  * Cantide scolds his d key
[16:01] <Kilos> aandete
[16:01] <Cantide> hah
[16:01] <Cantide> Afrikaans is tricky
[16:02] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I posted how to setup sakis3g if you need instructions?
[16:02] <Kilos> maar dit proe net soos supper
[16:02] <kbmonkey> hello Cantide 
[16:02] <Kilos> yes please kbmonkey
[16:02] <Kilos> post it inna email
[16:02] <Kilos> or on my channel
[16:02] <kbmonkey> Kilos, http://wiki.darknet.co.za/pmwiki.php/Posts/Sakis3gUsbModem
[16:02] <Kilos> gracias
[16:02] <kbmonkey> youre welcome
[16:04] <Kilos> kbmonkey: the sakis site is down
[16:04] <Kilos> for months now
[16:04] <Kilos> dont you have Trixar_zas one?
[16:06] <Cantide> i am quite interested in Mir
[16:06] <Cantide> does anyone know more info? or have a link to more info?
[16:06] <kbmonkey> i know it's down Kilos, on that wiki page it shows where to get it
[16:07] <kbmonkey> what is Mir Cantide ?
[16:08] <Cantide> new Ubuntu display server to replace X
[16:08] <Cantide> apparently Wayland doesn't make the cut
[16:08] <Cantide> so they're making their own
[16:08] <Cantide> part of the convergence plan i think
[16:08] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey
[16:08] <Cantide> will be a while before it's rolled out though >.<
[16:08] <Kilos> got it saved here
[16:09] <Cantide> kbmonkey, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzg
[16:10] <kbmonkey> so they are rewriting the wheel?
[16:10] <kbmonkey> not that it's a bad thing long term, 
[16:10] <Cantide> yeah
[16:10] <Cantide> i was looking forward to Wayland
[16:11] <kbmonkey> but if someone needs help with it, they can't pull from the vast existing knowledge of Xorg
[16:11] <Cantide> but maybe Mir will be great?
[16:11] <Cantide> yeah
[16:13] <kbmonkey> I assume it will support port forwarding too
[16:14]  * Cantide shrugs
[16:14] <Cantide> is that part of a display server's functionality?
[16:14] <Cantide> i don't know much about it
[16:14] <Cantide> but this seems to be big news
[16:14] <kbmonkey> yes, it is a protocol that allows you to run applications remotely over ssh
[16:15] <Cantide> yup
[16:15] <kbmonkey> its what remote desktop works on, for example
[16:15] <Cantide> i didn't know the display server handled that though
[16:15] <Cantide> aah
[16:15] <kbmonkey> see windows does not have that so remoting on windows sends video data (basically) 
[16:15] <Cantide> well, i'm sure they can't omit functionality that users need
[16:15] <kbmonkey> but with forwarding it sends the UI signals over tcp, very neat
[16:16] <Cantide> nice :)
[16:16] <Cantide> i mean, if they dumb down the OS for mobile, it will lose favour as a desktop OS
[16:16] <kbmonkey> i'm sure they will think of everything :)
[16:16] <Cantide> so i guess they won't do that
[16:16] <Cantide> anyway, i think it's only intended to ship with 14.04 LTS
[16:17] <Cantide> so it's still a while before we'll know the details
[16:17] <Cantide> but i think they want to have it ready for mobile
[16:17] <Cantide> I like the direction Ubuntu is taking though
[16:18] <Cantide> just gotta put up with the bumps along the way
[16:18] <kbmonkey> totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas
[16:18] <kbmonkey> the Linux world needs that
[16:18] <Cantide> yeah, watch the other OSes scramble to keep up, and steal ideas to stay relevant
[16:56] <Vince-0> surp
[16:56] <kbmonkey> yo yo
[16:56] <kbmonkey> time for some chores
[16:57] <kbmonkey> be back laters :]
[16:57] <Cantide> see ya~
[17:02] <Vince-0> bbl
[17:18] <Kilos> night all.sleep tight
[18:16] <Squirm> best
[18:16] <Squirm> squash
[18:16] <Squirm> ever
[18:23] <kbmonkey> squash the veg?
[18:24] <Squirm> squash the sport
[18:30] <magespawn> evening all
[18:43] <kbmonkey> evening magespawn 
[18:43] <kbmonkey> ah good one Squirm 
[18:43] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey
[18:44] <kbmonkey> I hear thunder
[18:50] <Squirm> kbmonkey: very much so
[18:50] <Squirm> I beat someone WAY better than me
[18:50] <Symmetria> http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/woman-killed-by-lion-while-having-sex-1.1482223
[18:50] <Symmetria> hahahahahahaha
[19:12] <zeref_debian> m
[19:28] <inetpro> 07/03 18:18:20 <kbmonkey> totally, I love how they are pushing new ideas
[19:28]  * inetpro agrees
[19:28] <inetpro> good evening
[19:30] <inetpro> any form of life is a good sign
[19:30] <inetpro> oops... wrong channel
[19:33] <smile4ever> inetpro: hehe. good night ;)
[19:33] <inetpro> smile4ever: goeie nag meneer
[19:34] <smile4ever> dankie inetpro :) jy ook
[19:40] <kbmonkey> good evening inetpro 
[19:41] <inetpro> kbmonkey: big storm in the news about Mir vs Wayland
[19:42] <inetpro> always good to have those storms
[19:42] <inetpro> somthing good will come from that for sure
[20:00] <superfly> working again, ThatGraemeGuy?
[20:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrmmmm nope, just got the laptop on
[20:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> xchat opens automatically
[20:01]  * ThatGraemeGuy waves
[20:19]  * superfly just never leaves
[20:30] <magespawn> good night all
[20:37] <Vince-0> cya gnight
[21:20] <Guest3437> hey how u doing