[00:06] <bluesabre> micahg, any luck with catfish 0.6.1?
[00:34] <bluesabre> micahg, mr_pouit: just released parole (stable) 0.5.0 :-)
[01:11] <bluesabre> nothing makes things happen faster than a feature freeze
[01:13] <micahg> bluesabre: sorry, been busy all day, will take a look after I get -settings up for studio
[01:15]  * micahg will try to get gmusicbrowser up from Debian git as well
[01:53] <bluesabre> thanks micahg!
[08:00] <MrEAZ> hello there!!
[08:01] <MrEAZ> I have a notice about a non-valid website-link in software-center
[08:02] <MrEAZ> it's the link of Gmount-iso of which the website link should be https://launchpad.net/gmount-iso
[10:55] <zequence> So, FF, or no FF..
[10:57] <knome> PopeJob_, please fix your connection
[11:43] <bluesabre> zequence, assume that we will for now I suppose
[11:53] <zequence> bluesabre: Sure. We might as well keep working as if all was normal. Just that there will probably not be an official feature freeze today. Not until they've decide whether or not to scrap rolling release this time around
[11:56] <bluesabre> Well, it's not reallly a matter of scrapping the rolling release, since the decision to implement that hasn't actually been made yet
[11:57] <bluesabre> As Jono said yesterday, it's still just a proposal, and we might as well trust him because what else can we do?  :-)
[12:01] <zequence> That's true, but they are discussing it. And until they have decided to scrap the proposal, there will be no feature freeze
[12:02] <knome> i agree with bluesabre that the two things are not really connected
[12:02] <knome> whether 13.04 is released is not the same whether we move to RR
[12:02] <knome> it's at most just a trivial detail in the RR discussion
[12:04] <zequence> If they move towards a rolling release, there's no saying when it will be launched, which means, the current schedule will not be synced with that. Probably would mean we have more time
[12:04] <zequence> I'm also only talking about the official feature freeze
[12:04] <zequence> Either it will happen, or it won't
[12:04] <knome> brb, need to work
[12:09] <zequence> If a rolling release is announced, we all need to change our planning model. FF in itself may be a minor detail, but that's really what will signify if the change comes or not (unless they do the FF and keep discussing)
[12:10] <zequence> But from what is said so far, FF will come only after they've come to some sort of conlcusion
[12:10] <zequence> So, basically, I'm waiting for the answer: FF, or no FF
[12:22] <knome> yeah.
[12:22] <knome> that would need to be communicated
[12:22] <knome> but that has nothing to do with the decision to move to RR or not
[12:24] <zequence> If the said they're not announcing FF until they've discussed the topic of rolling release, in which way are you saying it has nothing to do with us moving to RR or not?
[12:24] <knome> it should have nothing to do with it
[12:24] <knome> that's a failure in the communication then
[12:25] <knome> and proves that this RR discussion is happening too late in the release
[12:26] <zequence> Actually, rereading, it seems also blocking FF was just a suggestion
[12:26] <zequence> Anyway. We should find out soon enough
[12:27] <knome> i thought there was some consensus that there is FF at least a few days ago, but i haven't followed the discussion too closely.
[12:32] <yofel> without the tech board there really can't be any consensus. Also mark took the diplomatic stance: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228
[12:33]  * yofel assumes there will be FF today like the schedule says
[12:36] <zequence> I was wondering where Mark was at ;)
[12:37] <zequence> UDS this year was pretty focused on development only though
[12:40] <zequence> Good post. Hope some people take the time to read it
[14:40] <bluesabre_1> More from Mark: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1232
[17:21] <user99999> hello
[17:21] <user99999> how to change mouse dpi?
[17:34] <holstein> user99999: i would first /join the support channel.. then try asking "how do i change the cursor".. asking about changing the DPI is confusing. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974227
[17:36] <holstein> try Settings Manager -> Mouse -> Theme tab
[17:36] <user99999> holstein, not cursor theme :)
[17:36] <user99999> mouse resolution
[17:36] <holstein> user99999: you choose a different theme with a different resolution
[17:37] <holstein> user99999: otherwise, change the resolution of your screen
[17:38] <holstein> http://handytutorial.com/change-cursor-theme-in-ubuntu-12-04-12-10/
[17:38] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75611/mouse-pointer-size-problem
[17:39] <user99999> :)
[17:39] <user99999> heavy the English :D
[17:40] <holstein> user99999: ?
[17:41] <user99999> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:41] <user99999>     Identifier     "Mouse0"
[17:41] <user99999>     Option "Resolution" "2000"
[17:41] <user99999> Option "Resolution" "2000" = dpi
[17:41] <holstein> user99999: i dont understand what "heavy the english" means.. also use pastebin
[17:42] <holstein> !paste
[17:42] <user99999> sry
[17:42] <holstein> user99999: no worries. also, join the support channel... #xubuntu
[17:43] <user99999> okey, join #xubuntu ..
[17:44] <user99999> ty :)
[18:51] <pleia2> oh!
[18:52] <pleia2> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2013/03/07/s06e02-crouching-tiger-hidden-ubuntu/ :)
[18:52] <pleia2> (Xubuntu interview in there)
[18:56]  * pleia2 puts on the twitter and stuff
[19:29] <Noskcaj> congrats on the podcast interview pleia2, very interesting
[19:29] <pleia2> thanks
[19:29] <pleia2> it was recorded last Wednesday, so before storm of all-the-things ;)
[19:31] <Noskcaj> ok, i only just learned that xubuntu had a testing lead.
[19:31] <bluesabre_> indeed, listening to it now
[19:31] <pleia2> Noskcaj: well, we *did* have a testing lead...
[19:32] <pleia2> he got muy busy with real life this cycle though, we need a new one
[19:32]  * Noskcaj puts hand up
[19:32] <pleia2> knome: amagad ^^
[19:33] <pleia2> Noskcaj: good, we'll talk to knome, would be great to see testing stuff back on track
[19:33] <Noskcaj> :) 
[19:33] <pleia2> the lead pretty much makes sure test cases exist, people are doing the tests, and periodically sends mails to the development list to remind us that we should be doing tests :)
[19:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:34]  * pleia2 hasn't done any this cycle :(
[19:34] <pleia2> so you should say "hey pleia2, this thing is important, can you do a test tonight?"
[19:34] <pleia2> and I will be "gosh, I forgot all about testing, yes sir!"
[19:34] <bluesabre_> I'll keep that in mind :)
[19:34] <Noskcaj> ok, lol. one thing, can someone get bug 1110158 fixed
[19:37] <micahg> that's a bug, it can be addressed after feature freeze
[19:38] <Noskcaj> micahg, my issue is it affects 12.10
[19:40] <micahg> oh, well, it needs to be fixed in raring first, but it's not even addressed upstream yet according to the linked bug
[19:41] <Noskcaj> yeah, knome and i reported and confirmed it, then it was forgotten
[19:41] <micahg> well, poke me next week and maybe I can take a look
[19:42] <Noskcaj> ok, ty
[19:42] <bluesabre_> micahg, have you gotten a chance to check out catfish or parole (sorry to keep bugging you)
[19:42] <micahg> bluesabre: was about to look at catfish again, you need me to upload parole as well?
[19:42] <bluesabre_> yeah, just released a new parole this morning
[19:43] <bluesabre_> it's packaging should be largely the same, so it shouldn't be too annoying
[19:44] <bluesabre_> Eventually, I'll move out of "developer-in-training" and into "developer" and won't have to bother you as much :)
[19:45] <micahg> yeah, we can work on PPU for you at some point once we've seen some packaging experience
[19:45] <pleia2> bluesabre_: and yes, I can test things for you too :) just know that I need very specific instructions about how to do it (what version xubuntu to test on, which ppa, what features to test)
[19:46] <bluesabre_> micahg, sure thing.  I was going to do the sponsored uploads, but FF snuck up on me
[19:47] <bluesabre_> sure thing pleia2, I sent an email to knome to share about things to test, not sure if he ever forwarded it to where he was going to
[20:03]  * micahg tries parole quickly
[20:03] <knome> bluesabre_, i didn't, we should get the testcases done
[20:04] <micahg> bluesabre: any reason why you're not using xz tarballs yet
[20:08] <bluesabre_> micahg, didn't know I was supposed to (and didn't know if the xfce release manager supported it)
[20:08] <bluesabre_> ... and, make distcheck just makes bz2 and gz
[20:08] <bluesabre_> knome, I thought I had finished them, maybe not
[20:08] <micahg> bluesabre: oh, not necessarily supposed to, was just wondering if there's a reason as xz is smaller and decompresses faster
[20:09] <knome> bluesabre_, they probably are finished. if they are and we don't have any more tests, we should move them to the iso tracker
[20:13] <micahg> bluesabre: parole uploaded
[20:13] <bluesabre_> knome, I'll review them tonight to make sure
[20:14] <micahg> I'd like to revamp the catfish packaging, but I have limited time
[20:14] <bluesabre_> micahg, you're awesome!  thanks
[20:14] <knome> bluesabre_, thanks!
[20:15] <bluesabre_> micahg, we could probably fix the packaging later, we'll probably have a 0.6.2 before release
[20:15] <micahg> bluesabre: major packaging revamps require an FFe
[20:15] <bluesabre_> ah
[20:16] <knome> micahg, is the FF officially taking place?
[20:16] <micahg> AFAIK, yes
[20:16] <knome> micahg, and does it mean that we will release, or are we picking on the developers for fun?
[20:16] <micahg> AFAIK, we're releasing 13.04
[20:16] <knome> :)
[20:17] <micahg> I still need to write up my proposal to -devel, but I have a lot of things in the air right now
[20:17] <knome> i'm pretty sure we all do
[20:17] <micahg> 13.04 may or may not have 18  months support
[20:17] <knome> that's fine as long as it is even slightly more than 6mth.
[20:23] <micahg> oh, right, not just packaging revamp with catfish, but lintian errors/warnings galore :(
[20:26] <bluesabre_> :(
[20:26] <micahg> oh, it's not so bad, just scrolly
[20:26] <micahg> bluesabre: in case you're curious: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5594169/
[20:29] <bluesabre_> I'm assuming you had to change some things from the old packaging, right?  I know Liviu was trying to package it for his ppa and his generated debs were missing a bunch of files
[20:29] <micahg> bluesabre: no, not much actually, just needed intltool
[20:30] <bluesabre_> oh cool
[20:30] <micahg> bluesabre: am I missing stuff? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5594177/
[20:31] <knome> Noskcaj_AFK, can you please not use awaynicks
[20:31] <Noskcaj_AFK> ok
[20:31] <bluesabre_> micahg, the depends are different now
[20:32] <knome> Noskcaj, thanks. if you want to tell people are away, use /away :)
[20:32] <bluesabre_> Depends: python-gi, gksu, findutils
[20:32] <Noskcaj> knome, ok, ty
[20:32] <knome> np
[20:32] <bluesabre_> Suggests: python-zeitgeist | zeitgeist
[20:32] <micahg> bluesabre: umm, I don't want to be depending on gksu
[20:33] <micahg> findutils is essential
[20:33] <bluesabre_> The update-index dialog uses the system command "gksudo"
[20:33] <micahg> so, you don't need python-xdg anymore?
[20:33] <bluesabre_> yeah, got rid of that dependency finally
[20:33] <micahg> why do you need sudo at all?
[20:33] <bluesabre_> gksudo updatedb to update the locate database
[20:34] <micahg> hrm, we still have it seeded so I guess that's ok for the moment
[20:35] <micahg> all the other suggests are useless now?
[20:36] <bluesabre_> yeah
[20:36] <micahg> ok, am I missing any files though?
[20:36] <bluesabre_> looks like its missing the catfish.py|catfish.pyc
[20:36] <bluesabre_> I can forward you a working deb so you can see the structure if you'd like?
[20:37] <micahg> ooh, that's important :)
[20:37] <bluesabre_> actually, it looks like its missing all the python files
[20:37] <micahg> yeah
[20:37] <micahg> let me check the build logs
[20:39] <bluesabre_> You can update the description too, if you want?
[20:39] <bluesabre_> Description: A file searching tool which is configurable via the command line.  Catfish is a handy file searching tool for Linux and UNIX. The interface is intentionally lightweight and simple, using only Gtk+3. You can configure it to your needs by using several command line options.  .  http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=catfish
[20:40] <micahg> bluesabre: oh, is it still hosted on twotoasts?  I thought it moved to LP
[20:40] <bluesabre_> yeah, its on LP now
[20:41] <micahg> No module named gi.repository
[20:41] <micahg> ...Error: The required module gi.repository is missing.
[20:41] <bluesabre_> didn't know if homepage was for project home or sourcecode home
[20:41] <micahg> home page is for project home, but twotoasts is out of date
[20:41] <knome> mr_pouit, is the bug 775117 reportedly fixed in R?
[20:41] <bluesabre_> python-gi?
[20:41] <micahg> not in build depends :)
[20:41] <bluesabre_> the lp page is probably better anyway
[20:41]  * micahg adds and tries again
[20:42] <bluesabre_> Depends: python-gi, gksu, findutils :)
[20:42] <micahg> that was from the build log
[20:54] <micahg> hrm, I think dh_python2 isn't happy since the path isn't the same as the package name
[20:59] <bluesabre_> does that mean its not going to work?
[20:59] <bluesabre_> bbiab, meeting time
[20:59] <micahg> no, it means I have to tweak it
[21:04] <micahg> hrm, still failed
[21:06] <micahg> python's not my specialty... I'll have to dig deeper
[21:13]  * micahg tries a bit of napalm
[21:26] <bluesabre_> kaboom?
[21:27] <micahg> nothing yet
[21:27] <micahg> knome: are we doing beta 1? (I'd like to say yes)
[21:28] <micahg> hrm, I can't seem to get dh_python2 to install anything
[21:28] <micahg> I'll have to get help with this later
[21:32] <bluesabre_> sorry for the time sink
[21:32] <bluesabre_> knome, we should definitely do beta 1
[21:33] <bluesabre_> then our new png-icon-theme could really get a workout
[21:33] <bluesabre_> not to mention parole and (possibly) catfish
[21:36] <knome> micahg, yes.
[21:36] <knome> ->
[21:37] <bluesabre_> micahg, this is what quickly used when I was using it's build stuff: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/0.5/revision/38#debian/rules but that's probably not too helpful
[21:57] <bluesabre_> heading out, bbl
[21:57] <bluesabre_> micahg, good luck!
[22:13] <micahg> bluesabre: it fails for me on the configure call with the straight dh7 short form
[22:21] <micahg> knome: so, someone should review the default languages on the ISO and make sure they're what's wanted
[23:04] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.raring/view/head:/desktop#L168 So we're still shipping alacarte rather than menulibre?  (I know, things could change.)
[23:06] <AndChat-114816> Yeah, menulibre still can't edit menu structure 
[23:06] <Len-nb> menulibre didn't run for me on 13.04
[23:07] <bluesabre_mobile> Yeah, that's a minor bug I need to release a fix for 
[23:08] <Unit193> bluesabre_mobile: Bummer, but thanks.
[23:09] <bluesabre_mobile> Yeah, hopefully next release. Feature freeze snuck up in me 
[23:10]  * Len-nb would rather have none than alacarte
[23:12] <Len-nb> bluesabre_mobile, how much do you know about display detection?
[23:13] <bluesabre_mobile> Len-nb, not much. Check out the xfce4-settings code
[23:15] <Len-nb> That would tell me how to find what is there, xrandr does too, I want to detect when a second screen is plugged, unplugged
[23:16] <Len-nb> Thanks, though.
[23:16]  * Len-nb wanders off
[23:16] <Unit193> Not that I was the one asked, or know much when it comes to language packs, but I would have guessed de and fr would be used rather than xh, but I guess you learn new things.
[23:30] <Unit193> micahg: Sorry for being a pain, I was looking at "ship", not "live".  Only other seemingly highly used one is ru.
[23:33] <bluesabre_mobile> micahg, Liviu thinks he may have figured it out, doesn't look like his build has happened yet (catfish) 
[23:35]  * bluesabre_mobile is excited for some raring builds 
[23:44] <micahg> Unit193: we have the room, I don't mind adding it
[23:44] <Unit193> micahg: I'm going off of slightly untrustworthy popcon for Ubuntu.