[01:00] <chuckyes> Hi people
[01:02] <chuckyes> Does anyone know why after installing xubuntu,it still takes me to install xubuntu screen after reboot?
[01:09] <Cheri703> did you remove your installation media? usb or cd?
[01:10] <Cheri703> chuckyes: ^^
[01:13] <chuckyes> i used usb to install and i use it to boot from it
[01:14] <chuckyes> guess i can try booting without usb
[01:14] <chuckyes> :)
[01:15] <Cheri703> you installed TO the usb or installed FROM the usb?
[01:16] <craigbass1976> I've got some weirdness going on... When I have a window open, there's no title section at the top.  There's also nothing in the Window Buttons section of the panel to indicate that I have said window open.
[01:17] <craigbass1976> I can't resize anything either, and Alt+Tab doesn't switch windows.  I've currently got Thunderbird open, but it's in front of xchat and I can only see what I'm typing and the last few things others have said.
[01:18] <Cheri703> craigbass1976: have you tried rebooting?
[01:19] <craigbass1976> Cheri703, It's a Windows fix, but yes, and it didn't help.
[01:19] <craigbass1976> Cheri703, I didn't try xfce sessino vs xubuntu session though... brb
[01:22] <craigbass1976> Cheri703, it doesnt' matter.  It IS only my account though, so I guess all of XFCE isn't hosed...
[01:22] <Cheri703> did you change themes?
[01:22] <craigbass1976> Maybe wallpaper, but that would have been it.
[01:23] <Cheri703> hmm...sorry, I don't know what could cause that. hang out for a bit and maybe someone else will though.
[01:24] <craigbass1976> Cheri703, what can I delete after I log out (and come back in from a Ctrl Alt F1) that will "reset" things for me?
[01:24] <craigbass1976> ls -a
[01:24] <Cheri703> honestly, no idea
[01:28] <craigbass1976> Wow, that was really weird.  I did a mv xfce4 xfce4.bak in ~/.config and re logged in.  Brandy new profile, but still with the messed up windows.
[01:29] <craigbass1976> I'm stuck whenever anyone gets a chance to help.
[01:32] <dsr> anyone know why 'vgchange -a n test' doesn't deactivate all the LVs in test? After the vgchange I run lvscan and all the LVs show as active
[02:19] <craigbass1976> Cheri703, You still there?
[02:19] <Cheri703> yup
[02:20] <craigbass1976> xfwm must have crashed.  Alt+F2, then xfwm4 --display=:0.0 --replace gave me title bars and footers back.
[02:20] <Cheri703> that's good!
[02:20] <craigbass1976> Weird that it was persistent after a reboot and a wip of my xfce4 profile, AND didn't affect either my wife's or son's profile...
[02:21] <craigbass1976> I was worried it was a problem with the registry...
[02:21] <craigbass1976> nyuck nyuck nyuck
[04:16] <andrel_> Hi! I'm trying to rebind two keys on my keyboard, and it only works one way
[04:24] <nukke> andrel_: what way? also, how would you like to rebind them?
[04:24] <andrel_> Only one key changes
[04:24] <andrel_> I would like my Alt Gr to my left Alt, and my Alt_L to that key
[04:25] <andrel_> http://pastebin.com/RDtSB3nD using the apple keyboard and would like to move the alt key as I get brackets and stuff on it
[04:26] <andrel_> Got those values from "xmodmap -pke" and just switched them around
[04:27] <nukke> have you tried this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys
[04:28] <andrel_> Yeah! That's pretty much how I did it
[04:36] <connor__> I'm using a USB headset in Xubuntu and the volume up/down button attached to the cord is controlling my external speakers volume but not my headsets volume. How do I fix this?
[07:33] <sids> Hi, I have installed xubuntu 12.04 amd64 on my pc with i5, 4GB RAM, 500GB disk, 1GB graphics. Every application open more than 5-10 sec after being clicked. Even right click on desktop takes 2-3 sec to show menu. Any help?
[07:35] <SunStar> thats usually something to do with the disk but something tells me thats not your issue
[07:35] <SunStar> install iotop to watch disk usage and open up the task manager to watch what happens during the lag
[07:39] <sids> in task manager,  cpu usage is ok only. max 5-10 %
[07:40] <sids> i 'll try iotop
[07:41] <SunStar> while ur at it you may want to check the S.M.A.R.T. log: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[07:44] <baizon> sids: and check with "top" if a process is using much resources
[07:53] <MrEAZ> Hello
[07:54] <nukke> sup
[07:54] <MrEAZ> Is it possible to make a notice here about a link-error in software-center?
[07:56] <MrEAZ> It's about the link to the website of Gmount-iso, which is currently https://launchpad.net/gmount-iso
[07:58] <nukke> ask #xubuntu-devel instead
[08:00] <MrEAZ> ok thnx
[08:19] <sids> iotop and top giving normal results only.. still its lagging :/
[08:20] <SunStar> it wouldnt happen to be a 2400 or 5400 RPM mechanical drive would it?
[08:21] <sids> 5400 rpm
[08:21] <sids> it works fine in windows 7, even 8
[08:21] <SunStar> does it always have trouble with menus? or does it run smooth once its cached?
[08:21] <sids> always
[08:23] <sids> if i right click on desktop, menu appears 2-3 sec later
[08:23] <sids> while hard disk and cpu use is near 2 %
[08:23] <SunStar> odd. like i said i've seen that but it had always been an issue with the disk
[08:25] <SunStar> id check /var/log/syslog for errors
[08:28] <sids> no error as such
[08:28] <sids> But I don't think 5400 RPM disk is too less for xubuntu to work properly. Is it?
[08:28] <SunStar> well i need sleep, if no one else is around in here, hit up the forum or maybe #ubuntu
[08:28] <sids> ya sure. Thanks :)
[08:29] <SunStar> 5400 will give a delay yes but once its cached that goes away
[08:29] <SunStar> but not a 3 second delay unless it has spun down by power management
[08:58] <rocklobster> Reinstalling Ubuntu for like the 7th time, this time side by side with the same version of ubuntu. I love it.
[09:57] <xubuntu962> Hello
[09:59] <xubuntu962> Can anyone tell me why my newly installed xubuntu is "freezing" when browsing in chromium and firefox..
[10:01] <xubuntu962> When i open a new tab it wont let me click on links and I have to copy the site adresse and close the browser and try again until it freezes again..
[10:14] <baizon> xubuntu962: check your system utilisation
[10:14] <baizon> while doing this
[11:07] <xubuntu428> helo
[11:07] <xubuntu428> I heve problem is instalation with wifi
[11:09] <xubuntu428> Stops on the choice of network
[11:10] <xubuntu428> This ewidenty a problem in Xubuntu 12.10 installation
[12:40] <Makaor> hey xubuntu
[12:46] <Vilma> Hello.
[13:09] <xubuntu632> hi there... i'm using latest xubunt. strange issue lately: when i wrote SQL statements for mysql (phpmyadmin and cli) i got syntax errors. but the syntax was ok. in the end it was because of some strange whitespaces. i don't know if this is a utf8 issue
[13:10] <xubuntu632> if i do the smae on my notebook (ubunt), no problem at all. i couldnt find out what character it is, but it's a white space
[13:13] <xubuntu632> it's a 50:50 chance that the stamements written on xubuntu are not "contaminated" whit strange whitespaces. the only way to solve this is to delete and rewrite all spaces in the code. and then check again
[13:14] <GridCube> xubuntu632, using leafpad?
[13:15] <knome> xubuntu632, those whitespaces appear when you press shift+space
[13:15] <xubuntu632> no first i wrote dircet into phpmyadmin. after some occurances of this proplem i swaped to xterm + mysql cli => same issue
[13:17] <xubuntu632> hm but i did not press shift... it's a USB keyboard on mac mini... maybe some input device troubles? but i never hat unexpected capital letters...
[13:19] <xubuntu632> ah wait... maybe it's an issue of gedit? i wrote parts of the code there and then copy/pasted it
[13:19] <GridCube> dont know
[13:21] <xubuntu632> yea it's strange
[14:01] <xfce> is there any news when 13.04 will be out ?
[14:01] <Pici> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[14:02] <xfce> is the official one ?
[14:02] <xfce> i mean, why is not on the main site ?
[14:02] <Pici> That is the official schedule, yes.
[14:02] <Pici> That is the main site.
[14:02] <xfce> oh tnx
[14:02] <xfce> gona download it right now
[14:02] <Pici> what?
[14:02] <Pici> er, 13.04 support is in #ubuntu+1 until it is released.
[14:03] <xfce> so is that the official release or its something else ?
[14:03] <GridCube> what is
[14:04] <Pici> I provided a link to the release schedule of 13.04.  The actual release happens on April 25th
[14:04] <xfce> 25 april
[14:04] <xfce> not that far anyway
[14:04] <xfce> tnx pici
[14:18] <gustavo_> bom dia! estou com dificuldade em instalar uma impressora no xubuntu. a marca da impressora é hp laserjet p1102
[14:19] <knome> !es | gustavo_
[14:20] <gustavo_> ok gracias
[14:21] <GridCube> actually
[14:21] <GridCube> that was pt
[14:22] <bensed> hi guys
[14:22] <bensed> just have one question about
[14:22] <bensed> the default music player in xubuntu
[14:22] <GridCube> yes
[14:22]  * GridCube will keeps his opinions at bay
[14:22] <bensed> is it any good and why was it chosen instead of rhythmbox f.e.
[14:23] <bensed> ?
[14:23]  * GridCube will remain out of this then
[14:23] <knome> bensed, it was chosen because we think it is the best one.
[14:23] <knome> well, not all of us, but collectively.
[14:25] <bensed> aha, i understand. is it lighterweight than rhythmbox? and last but not least - is xubuntu good for a not so old machine? thank you and forgive a fool, please >D
[14:26] <knome> i believe it's more lightweight than rhythmbox too. yes, xubuntu works well on modern machines as well
[14:27] <bensed> thanks guys! now i-m off to trying it out!
[16:27] <drc>  I've never used a 'buntu LTS before, have they historically push a major kernel change on the points (not a 3.2.30 to 3.2.33, but rather the 3.2 to 3.5) ?
[16:29] <xubuntu371> hji
[16:30] <xubuntu371> hi
[16:31] <xubuntu371> herrro?
[16:31] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu371
[16:31] <xubuntu371> uhh thanks
[16:32] <xubuntu371> so im new to xubuntu and wanna run a game but it tells me its not an executable program. any ideas?
[16:32] <xubuntu371> ive tried all the terminal stuff with no luck btw
[16:33] <bazhang> what game
[16:33] <xubuntu371> its just minecraft and a game called amnesia
[16:33] <bazhang> native or windows
[16:33] <xubuntu371> what do you mean?
[16:34] <bazhang> !info amnesia
[16:34] <Pici> Is the game made for Windows or do they distribute a version for Linux?
[16:34] <xubuntu371> im pretty they make it for linux too
[16:35] <bazhang> got a link?
[16:35] <GridCube> !find amnesia
[16:36] <xubuntu371> no, i got it a while ago. i can try to find it if you want
[16:36] <drc> iirc they do make a linux version of amnesia, but doe he have the linux or the windows version?
[16:36] <xubuntu371> i downloaded a version supposedly for linux
[16:36] <GridCube> in any case xubuntu371 to run minecraft just do >> java -jar /path/to/minecraft.jar <<
[16:36] <drc> xubuntu371: what is the exact/full name of the file you are trying to use?  is it an EXE file?
[16:37] <drc> xubuntu371: ok, nevermind :)
[16:38] <GridCube> xubuntu371, can we have a link to this amnesia game please?
[16:39] <xubuntu371> i dont have a link for it right now, i can try finding it if you want
[16:39] <xubuntu371> http://www.downloadplex.com/Linux/Network-Internet/Other/Download-amnesia-for-linux_255821.html Try that
[16:40] <xubuntu371> no, i think that one works. but the minecraft doesnt
[16:41] <GridCube> xubuntu371, have you tried what i told you to try?
[16:43] <GridCube> xubuntu371, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/amnesia/
[19:24] <finch_> I have a d800 dell laptop running XU12.04. I cannot get the internal wireless card to work. I've followed instruction at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20Internet%20access. When install the b43legacy driver, I am unable to see the driver in the Additional Driver application. Any ideas of what to try next?
[19:26] <finch_> Here is my wireless card info: 02:03.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4320] (rev 02)
[19:28] <holstein> finch_: i usually just try them all, and see what works
[19:30] <finch_> holstein: meaning... wl, b43, brcmsmac and brcmfmac in addition to b43legacy? Or others? It seems that the Card ID seems to only apply to b43legacy.
[19:31] <holstein> finch_: i just try them, til something works
[19:31] <finch_> And, is there a way I can check to see if the card is actually functioning?
[19:31] <holstein> finch_: you can try in a fully supported os with a fully supported drive.. but lemme just look around for a minute
[19:31] <holstein> !broadcom
[19:32] <SunStar> ping it
[19:33] <finch_> SunStar: what would be the argument for the ping?
[19:33] <holstein> wont be able to ping it if its not getting an address
[19:34] <holstein> finch_: you've tried the open one?
[19:34] <finch_> ubottu: I was on that page. I followed the instructions there, but I only have a wired connection. I can't seem to see any wireless routers, etc.
[19:34] <SunStar> would pinging 127 range return if you dont have a NIC?
[19:34] <finch_> ubottu: no problem.
[19:35] <holstein> finch_: i just linked that for my own refernce.. ubottu is a bot
[19:35] <holstein> finch_: what happens when you run sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter and reboot?
[19:35] <finch_> SunStar: I'm new to all this stuff. So, in terminal I type: "ping ?" What do I enter for ?
[19:36] <SunStar> 127.0.0.1 shouldnt return a ping if there is no NIC
[19:36] <finch_> holstein: I did that and when opening additional hardware, only see the NVIDIA graphics card.
[19:36] <holstein> finch_: and the open driver?
[19:37] <finch_> holstein: open driver? what does that mean?
[19:38] <finch_> finch@finch:~$ ping 127.0.0.1
[19:38] <finch_> PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[19:38] <finch_> 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.041 ms
[19:38] <holstein> finch_: are you familiar with XFCE? are you sure the open driver isnt working?
[19:39] <finch_> holstein: I'm not familiar with xfce. How would I check it?
[19:40] <holstein> finch_: what are you familiar with? i might load up a live CD with something you have used before and see what is going on
[19:42] <finch_> holstein: I've used Mint7 on this laptop before. I've not seen the wireless card work on this laptop yet. I got the laptop with no HD as a hand-me-down.
[19:42] <finch_> holstein: I flipped it over and opened the compartment this a.m. and found that there IS a wireless card and the antenna connectors are connected.
[19:43] <holstein> finch_: might be worth some time to install windows and test with the actual native supported driver/os to be sure the hardware works.. or try the windows driver with ndisgtk
[19:43] <finch_> holstein: I'm currently using XU12.04 on this laptop I'm trying to access the card.
[19:44] <holstein> finch_: sure, and im just trying to reduce variables.. if you have never used xubuntu or XFCE to connect wifi, then that is something that could be hanging you up
[19:44] <finch_> holstein: I have no windows at all. But that would make sense.
[19:46] <finch_> holstein: I'll see if I can get a CD of Windows to do that test. Thanks for your help.
[19:46] <holstein> finch_: or, just download the driver
[19:46] <holstein> !info ndisgtk
[19:49] <finch_> OK, I just installed ndisgtk. Now what? sorry for the newbie questions.
[19:49] <holstein> finch_: you go and download the widnows driver and point the ndisGUI to it
[19:56] <finch_> holstein: followed the suggestions at http://www.stchman.com/install_ndis_broadcom.html. I will now reboot and cross my fingers, unless you first have other suggestions.
[19:57] <holstein> finch_: i would download the driver for your device for windows.. and literally open ndisgtk and point to the driver you downloaded
[19:57] <holstein> finch_: its basically a gui that does all of that for you
[19:58] <holstein> !feisty
[19:58] <holstein> ^^ notice that that guide is for ubuntu 7.04 finch_ ..since then, the process has become streamlined, and usually not necessary
[19:59]  * Vilma Buonasera.
[19:59] <holstein> its not something i would worry much with, since *if* you decide to install windows to test the hardware, you'll need the driver.. just grab it, and test with ndisgtk. shouldnt take more than a few minutes
[19:59] <finch_> Hmmm. I didn't notice that :( So, streamlined doesn't seem to be working for me.
[20:00] <holstein> finch_: you open ndisgtk and navigate to the driver you downloaded
[20:01] <holstein> finch_: if you downloaded the proper driver, and you are using ndisgtk to try and use it with your broadcom device, then i would say this is another step pointing to broken hardware
[20:04] <finch_> I'm not sure if I have the proper driver. I typed "sudo ndisgtk" in terminal and now have an application that I can use to install Windows drivers. However, I just see lots of gzip files.
[20:04] <finch_> I want to have the correct driver first and am not sure I have it.
[20:06] <holstein> finch_: you'll need to search documentation for that specific device
[20:06] <holstein> if i had a dell 1201 or whatever i would search the dell site
[20:06] <finch_> holstein: I'm on it.
[20:07] <holstein> finch_: then, you get the driver for your device and try it.. and as i said, if it doenst work, then that is a test that supports bad hardware
[20:12] <xubuntu632> hm this is realy strange: when i edit text files (gedit or in phpmyadmin SQL form) then from time to time a "no break space" is inserted in place of normal space (unicode C2 A0) - why is this?
[20:21] <Pizza90> i wonder why canonical releases lts version bugged with very annoying bugs like the one with jockey (fixed in the latest version) or the one about thunar (still open), should not be the lts more polished?..
[20:21] <holstein> !contribute
[20:22] <holstein> !bugs
[20:22] <holstein> Pizza90: canonnical really just funds the development and release...
[20:22] <TheSheep> Pizza90: bugs happen, the point of lts is that they get fixed, that's what support means
[20:23] <finch_> holstein: thanks for your help. But, I'm a little clueless about how to get the right driver for my card. Since Xubuntu doesn't recognize it right away, I'm assuming it's a hardware issue. I'm going to try another card.
[20:24] <holstein> finch_: if you have another card handy, thats a good troubleshooting step..
[20:24] <Pizza90> i am not talking about glitches or little frills, i am talking about "important bugs" like the one with jokey which made the system very slow or this one with thunar that hangs on when you browse the folder.. i dont want to sound criticizing but if lts have these not-so-little bugs (with report filled by months) i dont see how they can be labeled as stable
[20:25] <TheSheep> Pizza90: what are you trying to say?
[20:25] <TheSheep> Pizza90: what's your point?
[20:26] <TheSheep> Pizza90: are you trying to imply that this is intentional?
[20:26] <Pizza90> TheSheep: that i have some spare time and i dont mind typing in the terminal, i also have another pc i can use, but surely if canonical had spent more time on these old bugs rather than finding new fonts or new icons..
[20:26] <TheSheep> Pizza90: canonical doesn't spend time on xubuntu
[20:26] <holstein> Pizza90: cononnical really just funds the development.. they are not responsible for actual support like that
[20:27] <Pizza90> i see
[20:27] <Pizza90> that's why it has only 3 years of support instea dof 5 (i suppose)
[20:27] <holstein> 5 years
[20:27] <Pizza90> i read xubuntu had only 3 years of support
[20:29] <knome> holstein, Pizza90: xubuntu lts has 3 years support
[20:29] <knome> however, since ubuntu has 5, some of the core packages will be supported for the whole 5 years
[20:29] <holstein> yeah.. not the xubuntu specific stuff though
[20:30] <Pizza90> i dont want to sound a smartpants or annoying but releasing a version with this kind of bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117 is not a nice advertisement.. i use xubuntu because i like it but seeing these bugs reported almost 2 years ago and still not fixed it's not fun :/
[20:31] <holstein> Pizza90: none of it is an "advertisment" though.. its just a commmunity doing what it can.. you are welcome to get envolved
[20:32] <Pizza90> holstein: i know that volounteers do what they can but maybe would be better working first on these bugs and then care about new icons or stuff like that?
[20:32] <holstein> Pizza90: i say that as a member who is actually *not* that involved in actual development.. but maintaining bugs like that in apps that are not used by the main distro can be challenging
[20:33] <holstein> Pizza90: sure.. but what about skill level? as a volunteer, i could make an icon.. i dont know the first thing about the bug you linked though
[20:33] <Pizza90> so canonical let xubuntu and kubuntu to the community?
[20:33] <knome> Pizza90, you got to realize it's a doacracy - those who do, decide...
[20:33] <knome> xubuntu has always been a community project
[20:34] <holstein> Pizza90: canonnical funds development.. not xubuntu development..
[20:34] <Pizza90> holstein: true too but then wasn't better releasing it 2 months later and fix these "critical" bugs?
[20:34] <Pizza90> oh i see
[20:34] <holstein> Pizza90: it gets released.. the versions get release, or they arent versions
[20:35] <holstein> Pizza90: there are guidelines to being an "official" spin-off.. and you cant say "give us a few more weeks".. plus, whos is doing to do what in those few weeks?
[20:36] <holstein> we have no one on salary "responsible" for it.. the packages are in a state. tests are made. the community does what it does and the release happens
[20:38] <Pizza90> awh then it's the guidelines to being an "official" spin-off that suck.. if i could code i would help but that one with thunar is the second very annoying bug that i got with an lts (together with the jokey's one that got fixed)
[20:39] <Pizza90> could not xubuntu go for the gsoc?
[20:39] <holstein> gsoc?
[20:39] <holstein> google summer of code?
[20:40] <knome> i don't think we have the infrastructure for that
[20:40] <Pizza90> yes
[20:40] <Pizza90> oh
[20:40] <knome> xubuntu is a really small team, we can't do everything
[20:40] <holstein> anyone is able to contribute.. but there are rules to what and how things get in the official repos.. and we can only include what is in the official repos
[20:40] <Pizza90> too bad, imo xubuntu is better than ubuntu
[20:40] <holstein> 'better' is a matter of opinion.. but in actuality, xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[20:42] <Pizza90> yes of course, better for my case
[20:42] <Pizza90> since i use pc and not a tablet :P
[20:42] <holstein> case?
[20:42] <Pizza90> my situation*
[20:42] <holstein> whats your situtation?
[20:42] <Pizza90> sorry i am not a native speaker
[20:43] <holstein> Pizza90: no worries.. you are speaking well
[20:43] <knome> holstein, Pizza90: can you take the discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic if it's not support-related? thanks :)
[20:43] <Pizza90> i have a 4:3 screen and i use pc for normal things (internet,mails,videos,chatting) but i dont like the tablet-style fashion that hit OSes in these days :)
[20:43] <Pizza90> knome: sure, sorry!:)
[20:44] <knome> thanks
[20:44] <Pizza90> knome: yw
[21:29] <Pizza90> knome: do you have idea why i can't execute a file labeled as "executable" in the proprierties?
[21:30] <Pizza90> if i click on it nothing happens, same thing if i right click it and then "execture" it
[21:37] <Peyam> hi
[21:37] <Peyam> alt+space doesnt not work in google chrome
[21:37] <Peyam> anybody knows how to solve this problem?
[21:43] <Faris> Has anyone tried to run dungeon defenders in a  64bit system ?
[21:46] <subman> I need to install a NVIDIA driver but it won't install because an X-session is running.  How do I quit and install this new driver?
[22:05] <genii-around> subman: logout, ctrl-alt-f1, login at console, sudo stop lightdm && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-generic linux-source dkms && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo sync && sudo start lightdm  ...then alt-f6 , login again, etc
[22:05] <genii-around> Hm
[22:46] <X-warrior> Is it possible to add other hardware monitor to panel? I would like something similar to ubuntu, where the graph goes moving, on horizontal... not this "bar ones"