[00:31] whoa: http://www.techspot.com/news/51834-latest-steam-numbers-show-linux-mac-gamers-almost-equal.html === LaserJock1 is now known as LaserJock [02:46] who's still up? [03:06] \o/ [03:07] ne [03:07] me [03:39] me [07:34] Good morning, when is the testing for the Beta 1 release going to start? [07:34] Image testing I mean, on iso.qa.ubuntu.com [07:37] if we don't use Beta1, then latest at FinalBetaFreeze on the 21st https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule [07:37] but our new ubiquity got in yesterday [07:37] so that should be testet ASAP [07:39] The new Ubiquity is in the daily's, will test next week then :) [07:39] thanks! [07:40] The new ubiquity has the redesign proposed in the mailing list? [07:40] right, it's the new UI agateau made [07:42] Oooeee, nice. Looking forward to testing :D [07:43] me too! [07:45] not off a good start... [07:45] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/ubiquity.png [07:46] Ai :( [07:49] good morning [07:49] Hey soee o/ [07:50] ahoi [07:50] bummer, yofel [07:54] ok, trivial fix [07:55] yofel: I'm interested, what was it? [07:55] install=... should've been install_now=... [07:56] Oh yeah, that is quite trivial. Can you show a screenshot of it working? Curious how it looks. [07:58] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/ubiquity1.png [07:58] another but, "Install Now", should be "Next" on all pages after disk setup [07:58] *bug [07:59] but it works in general [08:00] To me that is a very sexy installer, good work agateau! === murthy_ is now known as murthy [08:55] hello everyone [08:58] good morning murthy [08:59] yofel: :) good morning [08:59] yofel: woke up at 12 pm and 12 am - 2 pm power cut [08:59] yofel: woke up at 12 pm and 12 pm - 2 pm power cut [09:00] ouch :S [09:00] yofel: thats for daily [09:00] yofel: acute power crisis in my state [09:00] yeah, shadeslayer_ talks about that too [09:01] yofel: what happened to tomahawk? today i am going to take a look at repaking tuttorials given by apachelogger [09:02] yofel: oops autospell check is off [09:02] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/tomahawk/0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 [09:03] yofel: so it supports twitter and jabber ? [09:03] no, those 2 are still sitting in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue [09:03] yofel: feature freeze done? [09:04] yep [09:04] yofel: so tomahawk in raring wont support twitter and jabber? [09:05] it's in the queue will still get in [09:05] we're not that harsh [09:05] Riddell: nice [09:06] hm... [09:06] what is dfsg ? [09:06] * yofel goes figuring out how to make ubiquity's apport hook auto-add the kubuntu tag when the kde ui is used [09:07] murthy: http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines [09:08] murthy: probably more useful: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html [09:08] reading it [09:12] Riddell: yesterday you asked me to remove some dlls and finally two folders. From the log you posted there was a command i think "unsafe-source" something like that, is it a script to list the unsafe precompiled files? [09:14] murthy: suspicious-source lists anything it doesn't know is good [09:14] sometimes gets it wrong [09:14] murthy: but apachelogger already uploaded tomahawk without the problem files [09:15] Riddell: what package does that belong to? [09:16] Riddell: devscripts ? [09:16] * Riddell cranks handles [09:17] devscripts: /usr/bin/suspicious-source [09:17] yes [09:18] Riddell: it comes with the default system install ? [09:20] murthy: um what does? devscripts doesn't it needs to be installed [09:21] Riddell: I mean to ask, is this part of kubuntu-dev-tools package? [09:21] no, devscripts [09:22] Riddell: oh, so the kubuntu image has the devscripts in it [09:25] murthy: no [09:26] Riddell: it seems that devscripts is installed in my system and i didn't install it particularly, does any meta package install it? [09:27] maybe apt-cache rdepends devscripts is quite big [09:31] Riddell: I didn't know of the rdepends till, thats the one i was searching for [09:32] Riddell: rdepends list contains kubuntu-dev-tools , so it might have got installed with it [09:32] yofel: ubiquity's apport hook is shipped in the apport. I guess we should "announce" which frontend used in the debug log / dm or something like that. [09:34] xnox: we track bugs by tag, that's why I would like to have it in [09:34] just having it in the description or so doesn't help much [09:35] yofel: apport supports "pre-adding" tags, just tinker with the hook in apport package. [09:35] yofel: I wouldn't mind "xubuntu", "lubuntu", "ubuntu" tags as well =) [09:35] yeah, that was the plan :) [09:35] heh [09:49] xnox: that's actually pretty trivial if I just take the seed name from the kernel command line, which all images seem to have there === murthy is now known as murthy_ [09:50] yofel: nice. [10:24] new this looks nice and simple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_qqjOMGlrI&feature=player_embedded :) [10:24] http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/08/re-blog-martin-gräßlin-reply-“all-faces-ubuntu” [10:25] Riddell, but the discussion happens on G+: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/FoLgCcyqW3x [10:26] Hey I'm back on desktop!!!! [10:26] smartboyhw: welcome back [10:26] Riddell, :) [10:26] I should now package Rekonq 2.1.1 (Fixing bookmarks) [10:27] mikhas: that's not a discussion, that's just aaron posting walls of text :) [10:27] smartboyhw: yes please :) [10:27] Riddell, and since it's now FF we are NOT going to put KDE Telepathy 0.6 beta in right? [10:30] I have enjoyed reading his walls of text, at least recently. [10:30] smartboyhw: depends if someone asks nicely, slangasek said there was room for being lenient [10:30] Riddell, ok. I don't want betas in for now I think [10:30] (and I think it's important that someone takes the time to write out what others feel/think too) [10:30] *down [10:31] that being said, I hope aseigo will never start a newspaper - it would weight 3kg per issue ;-) [10:32] smartboyhw: why not? [10:33] Riddell, um it's "Feature Freeze" and new beta releases means new features:P [10:33] anywhere from where I can install latest QtQwebkit RC ? [10:41] smartboyhw: beta generally means features are done and are being stabalised [10:41] afiestas: Qt 4 or 5? [10:41] Qt4 [10:42] afiestas: it's in raring-proposed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source [10:42] but powerpc being problematic [10:42] Riddell: can we package it fort quantal? is important we test it [10:43] afiestas: yeah I can put it in the experimental PPA if you think that's useful [10:43] Riddell: well, if nobody test it then it won't be polished [10:43] yofel, so is it that you want me to upload packages using urgency=medium? [10:43] I mean, compiling QtWebkit takes some guts, not even I do it... so packages will be useful [10:44] one has to be gutsy as a packager :) [10:44] Riddell, !? [10:44] smartboyhw: why would you do that? [10:45] Riddell, well I have forgotten what yofel actually meant [10:45] He did once told me to use medium. Probably for Kubuntu PPAs only though [10:45] yeah, only PPA's [10:45] yofel, OK:P [10:45] so apt doesn't get screwed by the architecture builds being out of sync [10:45] skipping build queue helps ^^ [10:45] lol [10:50] * Riddell reposts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/08/re-blog-pau-garcia-i-quiles-mark’s-divisive-leadership [10:50] Riddell, yeah [10:54] Quintasan: I was nice to him... [10:55] Riddell, so seriously: You really want KDE Telepathy 0.6 beta (0.5.80) to be packaged into Raring (i.e. filing an FFe?) [10:56] smartboyhw: yes indeed [10:56] Well OK [10:56] smartboyhw: you're onto it? [10:56] * smartboyhw needs to learn the FFe bug filing process [10:56] Riddell, yep [10:56] excellent, cookies for you [10:56] Riddell, LOL [10:57] Wow who uploaded plasmate? [10:57] It's Riddell ! [10:57] LD [10:57] :D [10:58] Riddell, I'm closing the Bug 1147193 (You forgotten to) [10:58] bug 1147193 in plasmate (Ubuntu) "Please update plasmate to 1.0" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1147193 [10:58] And wasn't the assignee yofel? [10:58] smartboyhw: oh thanks, my bad [10:58] smartboyhw: he got distracted [10:58] I needed a distraction [10:59] Riddell, LOL [10:59] it was a fair swap :) [10:59] Riddell, LOL [11:01] Riddell, what reason do I write for telepathy FFe bug? Since it needs a "state the reason why you feel it is necessary" [11:01] ......... [11:02] smartboyhw: expected feature for raring [11:02] released by upstream especially for us [11:02] Riddell, really! [11:02] ;D [11:03] Riddell, BTW Bug 1147193 has a "Kubuntu PPA" thing you want to deal with it too? [11:03] bug 1147193 in Kubuntu PPA "Please update plasmate to 1.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1147193 [11:05] smartboyhw: hmm I'm not sure what that means [11:05] I don't think it's in a PPA [11:05] Riddell, ask yofel :P [11:06] it is not [11:06] that's the problem ^^ [11:06] Riddell: the point is adding it to the 4.10 backports [11:06] yofel: which one would you put it in? [11:06] yofel: ok I'll look at that now [11:06] Riddell, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/rekonq/2.2.1-0ubuntu1-1st-upload/+merge/152377 [11:07] oh if I don't get distracted by smartboyhw first [11:08] Riddell, LOL [11:08] lol [11:08] Riddell, BTW what versioning scheme should I use for telepathy? 0.5.80ubuntu1 or 0.5.80-0ubuntu1 ? [11:08] too easy, isn't it? :D [11:09] yofel, LOL [11:09] smartboyhw: 0.5.80-0ubuntu1 surely, why would you not? [11:09] Riddell, look at "The Raring Ringtail" version of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy [11:09] smartboyhw: meta is our own package [11:10] the rest come from upstream [11:10] so that's the difference [11:10] Riddell, OK [11:12] Riddell, murthy_: btw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/scripts/deb-sourcecheck had a better algorithm than suspicious-source last I checked [11:12] i..e it yields no false positives, whereas suspicious-source likes to do exactly that [11:13] apachelogger: considered getting that into devscripts and telling archive admins about it? [11:14] welll it is ruby :P [11:14] controvetial! [11:14] suspicious-source could be haxx0red to feature the same logi though ^^ [11:15] I mean, it's really simply ... whitelist source file extensions and then run `file` and strip evyerthing that is text [11:16] I just don't feel like touching the python codez :P [11:16] Riddell, yofel, shadeslayer_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv [11:16] * apachelogger thinks the fact that lightdm&ksplash match with neither ply nor plasma makes the background changes there a bit pointless [11:17] also since the grey thing doesn't work well with the rainbow thing of plasma [11:17] afiestas: ^ [11:17] input welcome [11:18] apachelogger: blinger and blingerer [11:21] ph [11:21] oh [11:21] Riddell, hmm diff of the Upstream ChangeLog (not debian/changelog) how to do that? [11:21] new ubiquity already landed on iso? [11:21] Does it mean I need to download the actuall repos? [11:22] apachelogger: awesome [11:22] smartboyhw: find their release notes or changelog [11:22] smartboyhw: pointing to d_ed's blog probably fine [11:22] apachelogger: should be was uploaded yesterday and I see yofel filing bugs already [11:23] neato [11:23] * apachelogger zsyncs [11:23] bug 1152493 - if you want to do anything else than see it crashing [11:23] bug 1152493 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-kde crash caused by wrong parameter name install=" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152493 [11:23] Riddell, still wondering: How about the *ACTUAL* Release where do they land? [11:24] Not the meta [11:24] trivial fix [11:24] Ignore that question:P [11:24] smartboyhw: I'm not sure what you mean, they land whereever you throw them [11:24] Riddell, no I mean do I have to explicitly update EVERY ktp packages? [11:25] That would mean filing dozens of FFe(s)................... [11:26] ohm [11:26] Riddell: do you have a HDD based device with intel graphics [11:26] ? [11:35] apachelogger: yep, main laptop [11:35] smartboyhw: are you working on ktp? [11:36] shadeslayer_, yes why? [11:36] I already have them up [11:36] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly [11:36] meta package needs some minor fixing [11:37] shadeslayer_, !? [11:37] That's hell quick [11:37] already done last night [11:37] but then my internets got cut [11:37] so I couldn't make FF [11:37] shadeslayer_, tell us earlier......:P Anyway I fixed meta already..... [11:37] I think I did? [11:37] see trello [11:38] shadeslayer_, what do you mean by it needed minor fixing.... [11:38] ? [11:38] the meta package depends on things that were dropped [11:38] presence applet and stuff [11:38] this may be heresy, but why is the ubuntu community at large still dealing with all the fall-out instead of forking off or, preferably, simply moving their work to Debian where there's an actual meritocracy in place? [11:38] shadeslayer_, ok [11:39] shadeslayer_, you want me to fix or? [11:39] smartboyhw: anyway, I have to go, please file a FFe so that we can get ktp in [11:39] smartboyhw: simple fix, will do once I get back [11:39] shadeslayer_, don't we need to file multiple FFe(s)? [11:39] For each seperate source packages [11:39] nah, just file one against the meta package [11:39] will be enough [11:40] shadeslayer_, and I need build logs + install logs + NEWS (just like in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess) :P [11:40] anyway, bye [11:40] all in the PPA [11:40] see David's blog for other things [11:40] and it still needs QA [11:40] so no install logs yet, just say we're working on it [11:41] ok seriously, bye [11:41] Riddell: in the video there is a second of black between plymouth and lightdm, it would be awesome if you could check whether you get that too ... my laptop boots from an SSD and doesn't have it so either the two pieces of software refuse to do a clean handover in vbox, or it comes from lightdm telling plymouth to quit before lightdm-kde actually is ready for the UI (e.g. qml asset loading is not done). [11:46] RichiH: forking is non-trivial socially and technically [11:47] RichiH: what problem would that fix? [11:48] RichiH: there's good arguments for a rolling release, lack of UDS is a shame but Debian doesn't have UDS either, Mir may either go away or hopefully not be a problem when it arrives [11:52] using nano is really no fun at all -.- [11:53] apachelogger: it's my third favourite editor [11:56] :O [11:56] Riddell: it has ^W for search.... [11:57] oh lol [11:57] I always forget to set a sane ram amount on qemu [12:00] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopxJ2251.png [12:00] that doesn't look right [12:00] It looks a little... Tall [12:00] Morning. [12:01] apachelogger: hmm, something missing there [12:04] can't get it to look right it appears [12:04] at least a spacer in the left hand column is missing [12:04] i.e. I think the text needs to be squeezed up and the button forced down [12:06] oh also, being my usual out of touch me.... those laptop icons are ancient perhaps we should update them :P [12:07] are there newer oxygen ones? [12:07] yeah [12:07] oxygen displays usually have black/darkgrey framing [12:08] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/computer-laptop.png [12:08] same applies to *display.png, tablet, phones and variations thereof [12:15] oh [12:15] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopoB2251.png [12:15] if that is the ui it is built from I see the problem [12:16] when that qwidget is empty it has no size and therefore layout is messed up [12:16] [12:18] apachelogger: your guess seems probable [12:19] apachelogger: throw a spacer in there? [12:19] the widget is in a layout so maybe simply setting a different size policy may work [12:19] Riddell: The Rekonq merge?:P [12:19] i.e. the layout is preferred/minimum so it would appear reasonable that it occupies no space whenthe widget has no sizehint [12:20] * apachelogger tries to gammaray [12:20] smartboyhw: I uploaded it [12:20] Riddell yeah:) [12:21] can't gammaray pyqt :( [12:26] the ui file stuff is a real nightmare -.- [12:27] LOL [12:30] hm [12:31] this would be soooooooooooooooooooooooo much eaiser to debug if I could gammaray it [12:31] -.- [12:32] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopfH2251.png [12:33] apachelogger: awooga [12:36] it's really not readable though [12:36] I think this needs some redesign [12:37] anything that contains text should be fixed with really [12:38] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopwY2251.png [12:38] also too wide IMO [12:38] yofel, xnox: btw, the proposed fix for bug 1152493 will make every page after disk setup say "install now" which makes no sense... [12:38] bug 1152493 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-kde crash caused by wrong parameter name install=" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152493 [12:39] ah, ok, then I know how *that* happenend... [12:39] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopNa2251.png [12:39] and empty button hooray [12:42] xnox, yofel, Riddell: lp:~apachelogger/ubiquity/raringfixes fix for the greeter layout bug [12:43] and it appears the slideshow is broken, been stuck at http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopNa2251.png since I posted that screenshot [12:54] Riddell, look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu and I'm happy to tell you that your Launchpad karma for Ubuntu project has exceeded 100000 karma:) [12:54] ~karma Riddell [12:54] Riddell has neutral karma [12:57] people still look at karma? :P:P [12:57] Darkwing, LOL [12:57] awooga! [12:58] * Riddell goes to lunch with his karma [12:58] Riddell, LOL [12:58] Riddell, you want me to package kde-gtk-config 2.2rc1 !? [12:59] shadeslayer_, anytime please play with Bug 1152567 and set it back to new after you've finished fixing and such [12:59] bug 1152567 in telepathy-logger-qt (Ubuntu) "[FFe] meta-kde-telepathy 0.6 Beta (0.5.80) release" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152567 [13:14] wait what, why am I on the front page o.O [13:14] yofel, of what? [13:14] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [13:15] below Riddell :D [13:15] yofel, XD [13:15] Long way to go thuogh [13:15] hello world :D [13:15] Hello ovidiu-florin [13:15] I remember when they fixed translation imports giving shitloads of karma [13:15] I submitted my first KDE bug fix last night :D [13:15] seems like soyuz needs some adjusting too [13:16] yofel, :D [13:16] ovidiu-florin, yeah [13:16] ovidiu-florin++ [13:16] it was a junior job, but at least I've learned the process :D [13:16] how is called the kubuntu installer ? [13:17] ubiquity [13:17] soee: ubiquity [13:17] ovidiu-florin, which bug? [13:17] :) [13:17] apachelogger, are you planing to put there some nice images ? [13:17] the bug was not reported, I found it while testing Jovie [13:17] ovidiu-florin, good;) [13:17] yofel: well, you are still uploading loads of packages [13:17] so I think the karma algo is correct [13:18] soee: hm? [13:18] true, but the bzr <-> package karma is like 3,5k <-> 75k - that's nonsense [13:18] oh cool, mkinitramfs is stuck on my system again [13:18] Tonight I'll try to fix more serious bugs, get the hang of it :D [13:18] yofel: why? [13:19] yofel, wow [13:19] could take diffstat into account [13:19] but meh [13:19] whoever put karma there.................................................. [13:19] apachelogger: for almost all the archive stuff I commit more to bzr than I upload, and I have bzr karma from the tooling and neon as well [13:19] kubotu: karma yofel [13:19] yofel has neutral karma [13:19] !? [13:19] hey, I'm not the bad guy anymore :D [13:19] yofel: the assumption is that commiting crap is less effort than creating a package I assume [13:19] which is mostly right [13:20] Someone should add the Launchpad karma ability..... [13:20] hm [13:20] true [13:20] apachelogger ++ [13:20] kubotu: karma apachelogger [13:20] karma for apachelogger: 1 [13:20] even though in this instance the bzr karma directly relates to packaging, hard for launchpad to know that though [13:20] ding [13:20] kubotu: karma yofel [13:20] yofel has neutral karma [13:20] yofel ++ [13:20] Darkwing++ [13:20] kubotu: karma help [13:20] help has neutral karma [13:20] !? [13:20] lol [13:20] kubotu: help karma [13:20] karma module: Listens to everyone's chat. ++/-- => increase/decrease karma for , karma for ? => show karma for , karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own. [13:20] Ah LOL [13:21] Okay, building an email for the mumble server [13:22] yofel, it turns out it is really true that packaging karma > bzr karma [13:22] For the 3219 karma I got 1423 from Packaging and only 573 from bzr [13:22] Doesn't make sense [13:22] This is why LP karma is useless [13:22] IMHO [13:23] it's as much a plaything as kubotu's karma ^^ [13:23] Darkwing, +1 [13:23] smartboyhw: of course it makes sense [13:23] apachelogger, not for me [13:24] even though in this instance the bzr karma directly relates to packaging, hard for launchpad to know that though [13:24] /sarcasm [13:24] I've started packaging probably not long ago, I have been using bzr folong though [13:24] it's because bzr is used for packaging that the mapping makes no sense [13:24] apachelogger, stupid Launchpad [13:24] AGAIN [13:24] if it were not used for packaging it made perfect sense [13:25] apachelogger, im asking because as a web developer i like to have apps intuitive, simple and good looking :) [13:26] soee: I do not get your question [13:29] Hey all [13:37] Darkwing, you have misspelt Riddell's name in http://opendarkwing.com/kubuntu-community-update/ [13:38] It's not Riddle :P [13:38] Eh, :P [13:38] wait, how did you find my blog? I have not really announced it since my domain change... :D [13:39]