[00:56] <Quen> I'm having issues getting my system to properly mount my CD drive when I put something in it, which screws up ripping the tracks with k3b; any fixes?
[01:38] <eshack> lovely flashplugin issues, any help out there for such a person??
[01:40] <eshack> I did a few updates on my kids computer, and now their flash doesn't work.  Seems that installing adobe-flashplugin is hanging at 81%, I think flashplugin was used before
[01:41] <eshack> ohh, wait, it just went to 100%, and apparently is installed, going to check
[01:43] <eshack> ohhh, nevermind, I'm a moron, I was checking the wrong page for the flashplayer, it is working
[02:26] <sithlord48> does anyone here know how to install the raring-preinstall-kubuntu-active on the nexus 7? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/20130227/
[02:47] <apachelogger> sithlord48: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7
[02:48] <sithlord48> apachelogger:  thats specificly for ubuntu install tool but i think i figured it out by compairing the images i think i just need to flash the img.gz to my userdata .
[02:50] <apachelogger> you can use the same tool
[02:51] <sithlord48> ah well that i didn't try
[02:52] <sithlord48> im just doing it manually via fastboot hopefully this works somewhat correct. i had tried to install the ubuntu image then replace unity w/ plasma active , but i lost touch under active .
[02:56] <apachelogger> sithlord48: touch is broken right now
[02:56] <apachelogger> or at least that's what I have been told
[02:57] <sithlord48> i have not tried the preinstall active image. guess ill see when it finishes flashing..
[03:50] <roasted> Question - I'm running an auto hide panel with the icon only task manager. Every time I get an IM, the panel appears, which I don't want since I have the notification menu simultaneously notifying me that Kopete needs attention. Is there a way to turn off the fact that my auto hide panel appears upon each instance the app requests attention?
[04:29] <lean21> hello
[04:30] <lean21> #anco
[04:46] <sasha23> someone willing to help
[04:46] <sasha23> ?
[05:38] <ashwin> How can i change my home folder to a hard disk drive?
[05:47] <novaisabadcat> I'm not sure what happened yesterday...sort of had a bad linux day I guess.  I updated KDE 4.10.1, and fooled around with Wine a little before eventually removing it again.  But the system started to hang later on while using Deluge.  I was forced to hit reset.  Now to the actual symptoms...The system boots up and shows the grub menu, whereas it didn't show it before (not alot to show really).  The other issue I see is
[05:47] <novaisabadcat>  the status bar on Deluge will not reflect the changes to bandwidth limits when I change them from the statusbar, which was working fine earlier in the day.  Does anyone know what I can do to try to troubleshoot this?
[05:53] <novaisabadcat> I'm tempted to give fsck a try, but I've never used it...is it fairly automated like chkdsk?
[07:01] <jman074> so when  i try to back up my system the only thing selected is my home folder is that good enough to recover if something happens
[07:04] <lordievader> jman074: Depends, if user-config is enough for you. A lot of sys-config is in /etc (and some in /usr/share, but most in /etc)
[07:06] <jman074> im so confused right now
[07:07] <jman074> if something happens will it rostore my sys to at least the factory default
[07:09] <lordievader> jman074: What do you mean with factory default?
[07:11] <jman074> i have ubuntu 11.10 someone told me its only supported till april. so i  want to upgrade to 12.10. before i do i want to back the sys up so that if it messes up i can at least boot my comp back up
[07:13] <lordievader> jman074: That was me ;) The way I set up my systems is with a seperate /home partition. That way I can simply reinstall my system without losing user-data or user-settings. Unfortunatly I do loose system-settings...
[07:15] <jman074> im new to ubuntu i use to use windows and i am accustomed to the comp  doing most of the work lol
[07:15] <jman074> just a little confused
[07:18] <lordievader> jman074: For me backing up the home-dir is enough.
[07:19] <jman074> what about sys files
[07:20] <jman074> i mean file system
[07:20] <lordievader> jman074: Your kubuntu install?
[07:20] <lordievader> jman074: Have a live-cd at hand, you can allways reinstall.
[07:21] <jman074> i have an external hard drive im using its kinda hard to get cds where i am
[07:22] <lordievader> jman074: live-usb works too. More common nowadays, live-usb
[07:23] <jman074> now that its backed up when i typed sudo dorelease upgrade it says no new release
[07:26] <lordievader> Hey apie :)
[07:27] <jman074> lord what you think
[07:27] <apie1> hey
[07:27] <lordievader> jman074: Ab3L has a good suggestion, backup the list of installed packages. Ask him how to do so.
[07:28] <lordievader> jman074: You might try with: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[07:28] <jman074> its already backed up  thanks
[07:29] <Ab3L> i'm just looking for that backup list (i don't remember well, because i do it only once or twice per year)
[07:29] <jman074> i just backed up the entire system
[07:30] <lordievader> jman074: Could you paste bin the output of "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[07:30] <jman074> okay confused once again
[07:31] <jman074> you got to break it down barny style for me
[07:32] <lordievader> jman074: Copy the output of that command to paste.ubuntu.com (<- website) upload it and give me the link ;) Sorry I allways make wrong assumptions...
[07:34] <jman074> bash: cat/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades: No such file or directory
[07:35] <lordievader> jman074: There is a space between cat and /etc
[07:35] <jman074> oops
[07:35] <lordievader> jman074: ;)
[07:36] <jman074> cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:36] <jman074> # Default behavior for the release upgrader.
[07:36] <jman074> [DEFAULT]
[07:36] <jman074> # Default prompting behavior, valid options:
[07:36] <jman074> #
[07:36] <jman074> #  never  - Never check for a new release.
[07:36] <FloodBotK1> jman074: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:37] <jman074> sorry
[07:38] <lordievader> jman074: That is why we have paste.ubuntu.com
[07:38] <lordievader> !paste |jm
[07:38] <lordievader> !paste | jman074
[07:39] <jman074> okay its pasted
[07:39] <lordievader> jman074: And now give me the link :)
[07:40] <jman074> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595301/
[07:41] <lordievader> jman074: Editing this file might help too... in a terminal run: kdesudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:41] <lordievader> jman074: And then change "Prompt=never" to "Prompt=normal"
[07:43] <jman074> i have to install kdesudo it says
[07:43] <lordievader> jman074: Wait...
[07:43] <lordievader> jman074: Was it kdesu in 11.10? Try that: kdesu kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:45] <jman074> command not found
[07:46] <lordievader> jman074: Meh, sudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (note: sudo is not preferred for kde applications, kdesudo is preferred...)
[07:50] <jman074> its not found
[07:50] <jman074> errrr
[07:52] <lordievader> jman074: It does exist, you just paste-binned it. /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (use auto-complete (tab) if you type it yourself, or just copy the command)
[07:53] <jman074> i copied the command
[07:53] <lordievader> Perhaps I made a typo...
[07:54] <joe_____> hi wixer
[07:54] <lordievader> jman074: What is not found btw? The release-upgrades file right, or some command?
[07:55] <jman074> commmand
[07:55] <jman074> it says sudo: kate: command not found
[07:56] <lordievader> jman074: Did you type it with the ':'?
[07:57] <jman074> sudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:57] <jman074> thats what i typed
[07:59] <lordievader> jman074: Well that ain't good.... you are on a Kubuntu system right?
[07:59] <jman074> i think i am
[08:00] <jman074> i have ubuntu 11.10
[08:01] <lordievader> jman074: Do you get a location if you run: "whereis kate"
[08:01] <jman074> it just says kate:
[08:02] <lordievader> jman074: Ok so you don't have kate, is there a location with: whereis sudo ?
[08:03] <jman074> yes i have a location
[08:03] <lordievader> jman074: Just another, I'm curious: whereis gedit
[08:04] <jman074> roger
[08:04] <jman074> got it
[08:05] <lordievader> jman074: That does get you a location?
[08:05] <jman074> yep
[08:06] <lordievader> jman074: Ok, so you probably don't have the awesome Kubuntu installed, but Ubuntu. I recommend installing Kubuntu, but I'm biased. Anyhow to edit the file it becomes: gksudo gedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[08:06] <jdf80> just installed kubuntu. havent used kde in a while. i notice when i maximize window the decoration border gets smaller. is there anyway to fix that?
[08:09] <Bradley24> i upgraded to kubuntu 12.10, from 12.04, but something is wrong. i have two login names that are the same, and whenever i try to start rekonq vlc starts up instead.  the menubars of all the programs are gone, and i cant make them show up.. i have a lot of stuff on my home file. more than i can save on disks, and my storage drive was stolen (it will take a while to have the funds to buy  another. it seems i am not smart enough to figure out how to use a
[08:09] <Bradley24> cable to transfer the home file to another computer (we dont have wifi). if i reinstall kubuntu using an install disk, but do not have the home partition marked as "format partition", will it erase the data on the home file?
[08:09] <jman074> okay lord  another screen popped up at the bottom it said prompt never i changed to normal and click save
[08:09] <jman074> what next
[08:10] <lordievader> jman074: Run the "sudo do-release-upgrade" again (-d shouldn't be needed). This should give you the upgrade this time.
[08:12] <jman074> thankx
[08:12] <lordievader> jman074: It runs the upgrade?
[08:14] <lordievader> jman074: *Adverstising for Kubuntu* if you get sick of Unity (Ubuntu's new interface) install the kubuntu-desktop package. You'll be glad to have something better :P
[08:14] <jman074> checking
[08:14] <jman074> for
[08:14] <jman074> ubuntu
[08:14] <jman074> lol
[08:16] <jman074> brb ill let you know the progress
[08:18] <lordievader> Bradley24: If you format /home, everything that was on /home before will be gone.
[08:18] <Ab3L> Bradley24: if you don't format the /home directory (and if the /home directory is in a separated partition - different from / -) you shouldn't loose data
[08:18] <lordievader> ^ Great thing about having a seperate /home :)
[08:19] <jman074> everything i want is on external
[08:19] <Bradley24> keen. thank you.
[08:20] <Bradley24> lordievader: thanks. i have /home as a separate partition, and was a bit worried.
[08:20] <lordievader> I wrote a script who backs-up stuff to my server. Quite usefull, one of those things you set up and can forget about it. Should audit the backups more often though.
[08:20] <Bradley24> Ab3L: thanks.
[08:21] <lordievader> Bradley24: It is allways a good idea to backup before installing a OS, but as long as you do not format /home it should be fine.
[08:23] <Ab3L> Bradley24: by the way, if you have separate /home, and you don't format it, there a remote and almost null probability that kde may feel some issue because of the old configuration files. if it happends, i think you can just delete them (those are files which  are in folders with name  that starts with a point, like ".local") . but in that case ask again-
[08:23] <Bradley24> lordievader: thank you for help. considering the circumstances, i will accept the risk.
[08:24] <lordievader> Is a large usb-stick an idea?
[08:24] <Bradley24> Ab3L: good idea. i know just enough about kde to be dangerous, but i am learning quite a bit. thank you for that.
[08:24] <Bradley24> have a good night all.
[08:26] <lordievader> Kde is pretty good with old configs, sure you might have some dead links to programs or dirs, but further more most of the settings are simply carried over :)
[08:55] <murthy> hello everyone
[08:57] <lordievader> Hey murthy, how are you?
[08:57] <murthy> lordievader: hi, i am fine, how are you today?
[08:58] <lordievader> murthy: I'm doing good. Gonna go to my parents this afternoon, my Raspberry Pi is waiting there for me :)
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: wow
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: enjoy the day
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: new model?
[08:58] <lordievader> murthy: I think I will, thanks
[08:58] <lordievader> The B Model.
[08:59] <murthy> nice
[09:53] <zero_coder> hi lean21
[10:30] <baizon_> hi, i want to show only the icon of an app. How can i set this up? :)
[10:31] <soee> baizon_, showe where ?
[10:34] <baizon_> ou well stupid me
[10:35] <baizon_> there is a widget for taht
[10:35] <baizon_> thanks anyway :)
[10:46] <baizon_> is there a synapse-like application for Kubuntu? :)
[10:54] <lordievader> baizon_: This synaps? http://lifehacker.com/5704221/synapse-is-a-super+fast-tightly-integrated-application-launcher-for-linux
[10:57] <baizon_> yes, but its integrated into kde already :D
[10:57] <baizon_> sorry first time kubuntu user
[10:57] <lordievader> baizon_: Was about to mention that, krunner (alt+f2). No problem, ask, ask and ask. We are here to help :)
[10:58] <baizon_> yes just fund that krunner is doing everything i need
[11:01] <baizon_> ok last thing i need...
[11:03] <baizon_> i cant find it. There is an terminal application that is like tilda.
[11:04] <lordievader> baizon_: Check out Yakuake.
[11:04] <baizon_> ok, thanks
[11:13] <heikoheiko> there is no alternate installer anymore, right? does the gui installer support lvm/luks? afair it didn't in the past.
[11:14] <lordievader> heikoheiko: 12.04 was the last with the alternate installer, or so I believe. If 12.10 has support for lvm, I don't know. But 13.04 does.
[11:55] <Kakerot> i have installed kubuntu on my system as a seperate OS..
[11:55] <Kakerot> i want to download and install QT5.0.1...i downloaded it but aint able to install
[11:56] <Kakerot> http://pastebin.com/ddwfwwTY
[11:57] <Kakerot> this   is the error i am getting when i type make
[11:57] <Kakerot> in command line
[12:04] <tsimpson> Kakerot: you should ask about that in #qt
[12:04] <tsimpson> or just use the binary installer package
[12:04] <Kakerot> tsimpson:  ohk
[12:12] <calwig> hi what is the kde manager for pgp keys, wifi passwords. is it kwallet mgr?
[12:30] <Kakerot> tsimpson: what is binary installer package?
[12:31] <tsimpson> Kakerot: the one from http://qt-project.org/downloads Qt 5.0.1 for Linux 32-bit (or the 64-bit one)
[12:32] <tsimpson> download the .run, chmod +x it, then run it with kdesudo and you can install it in /opt, or run as your normal user to install it in ~/
[12:35] <Kakerot> tsimpson:  i have already downloaded it...but having a problem in installing it
[12:38] <calwig> hi, where can i find/start the Keyring Manager in KDE
[12:47] <apachelogger> calwig: it's started on demand
[12:48] <calwig> apachelogger, you know where you import/export pgp keys, gui actually
[12:49] <apachelogger> !info kgpg
[12:50] <apachelogger> calwig: sorry, I misread ^^
[12:50] <calwig> man i could kiss you
[12:50] <calwig> thank you
[12:50] <calwig> i need it badly
[13:05] <FlashDeluxe> hi! is there a netinstall download existing fpr kubuntu?
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:48] <baizon> hi, is there a systray notifier for emails (like ImapQuickCheck )?
[13:50] <eliasp_web> hi
[13:50] <calwig> baizon, kmail has one
[13:51] <baizon> ok, will check it out
[13:51] <baizon> thanks
[13:51] <eliasp_web> it looks like there are no installable debug symbols available for smb4k in 13.04… what's the proper way to request them? bug at Launchpad?
[13:52] <ikonia> eliasp_web: normally a debug package is available
[13:52] <ikonia> eliasp_web: #ubuntu+1 is the right channel for 13.04 chat
[13:52] <eliasp_web> ikonia: ok, thx
[14:26] <markit> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports/main i386 Packages
[14:26] <markit>   400  Bad Request [IP: 193.206.139.45 80]
[14:26] <markit> any clue?
[14:27] <markit> at apt-update for 12.04
[14:27] <markit> another PC with same os and sources.list on my lan works fine
[14:27] <markit> I've tried apt-get clean also
[14:45] <roasted> hello friends
[14:45] <Mamarok> markit: looks like the mirror is down? Change the source server
[14:46] <markit> Mamarok: can0t be done since is ok from the other pc
[14:46] <roasted> Do any of you know how to turn off notifications via the panel? So if it's set to auto hide and I get an IM it doesn't pop up?
[14:46] <markit> I've disabled squid, but same result
[14:46] <markit> Mamarok: I'm investigating with tcpdump now
[14:47] <markit> in effect seems that the traffic is not going to the right gateway
[14:48] <Mamarok> roasted: disable the notifications, I doubt you can avoid having the panel pop up, as the notificatiosn are part of the systemtray
[14:48] <roasted> Mamarok: gah. :(
[14:49] <roasted> Mamarok: er, wait, no, we're on two different pages.
[14:49] <roasted> Mamarok: I'm okay with notifications via s ystem tray. I want to disable the notifications via the panel itself... it's a separate panel.
[14:50] <roasted> Mamarok: think of Unity's layout. Bar on left side, bar on top. I have the left side bar auto hiding, but it comes up each time with the notification menu in the upper panel. I just want to disable the left panel from coming up and doing its little dance every time I get an IM since I already have the actual notification panel for that reason.
[14:50] <Mamarok> well, you don't want to have the panel pop up, right? It will as long as you use the notifications as default. Maybe use another notification system could help
[14:50] <Mamarok> I don't know about Unity, I use KDE
[14:51] <roasted> Mamarok: I use KDE too. I just have things laid out like Unity. I was using that as an example so you could visualize how my screen is set up.
[14:52] <roasted> Mamarok: maybe I'm missing it, and I'm sure I am, I just wasn't sure which settings to adjust to disable Kopete's panel-waking notification while letting the system notification in the top panel alone.
[14:52] <Mamarok> well, instead of having the system notification that goes through the panel, use OSD for IM messages
[14:52] <roasted> Point is I don't need two things hitting me with, hey dude, you got an IM.
[14:52] <roasted> I'm drawing a blank as to how I would set up OSD? (I'm relatively new to KDE)
[14:53] <Mamarok> the notification s are set by application, so if you use telepathy for IM you need to configure that there
[14:53] <Mamarok> make it use OSD instead of system notifications
[14:53] <Mamarok> same in Amarok
[14:53] <roasted> so bottom line is I need to worry about the notification settings per application as opposed to the panel/KDE notification settings, eh?
[14:54] <markit> Mamarok: solved, I had an experimental local squid setup (not working, I guess) on that local host
[14:54] <Mamarok> well, you can configure notifications individually by application, so disable the system notification if you don't want the panel to pop up
[14:55] <Mamarok> markit: nice :)
[14:55] <markit> yep, I'm very happy when there is a rational explaination ;P
[14:58] <roasted> Mamarok: I'll look into that. Appreciate it.
[15:24] <anonymous_> Boa Tarde a todos !
[15:31] <murthy> PedroVIsky: Boa Tarde
[15:31] <PedroVIsky> murthy: Valeu sou novo no linux to começando agora ! já estou gostando
[15:32] <murthy> PedroVIsky: nice Benvido a Linux
[15:34] <murthy> PedroVIsky: para obter axuda aquí, ten que esperar, quizais algún día levar moito tempo tamén. Use a guía de apelidos autocomplete
[15:35] <PedroVIsky> murthy: esta fácil !
[15:35] <PedroVIsky> murthy: mais obrigado qualquer coisa estarei por ai !
[15:38] <murthy> PedroVIsky: Sentímolo o tradutor de Google non está a traducir-lo correctamente, eu non podo entender o que dixo a última vez
[15:38] <PedroVIsky> murthy: are you from man ?
[15:39] <murthy> PedroVIsky: man ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> hey guys , what happened to English here ?
[15:39] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[15:40] <murthy> BluesKaj: just some welcome in PedroVIsky's native language, he is new to linux
[15:40] <murthy> BluesKaj: its galician
[15:41] <murthy> BluesKaj: do we have a ubuntu channel for the language?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> murthy, are you Spanish/Galician ?
[15:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: no
[15:43] <BluesKaj> have you lived there then ?
[15:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: nope :)
[15:44] <PedroVIsky> ???
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ok , must be calif :)
[15:45] <murthy> BluesKaj: google translator :D
[15:46] <PedroVIsky> ele mora lá no google translator
[15:47] <BluesKaj> some translators are more accurate than others
[15:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: ya
[15:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: google needs to improve
[15:48] <murthy> BluesKaj: have you upgraded to 4.10.1?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> yes , but I'm on 13.04 and it's fine so far
[15:49] <murthy> BluesKaj: in that case i am going to upgrade now
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's in the backports
[15:49] <murthy> BluesKaj: backports already enabled :)
[15:51] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have a problem with my audio, this is the debug message http://paste.kde.org/690632/ , can you see anything  suspicious?
[15:52] <murthy> BluesKaj: the audio sounds like chipuk after an popup notification dialog appears after the login
[15:53] <murthy> BluesKaj: the audio sounds like chipuk after an popup notification dialog appears after the login for the first time
[15:56] <BluesKaj> murthy, do you have a pci soundcard with drivers installed as well as your onboard?
[15:57] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have a create live 24 bit pci sound card and the onboard audio is disabled in bios
[15:59] <BluesKaj> murthy, try a different player , like VLC or some other
[16:00] <murthy> BluesKaj: i tried clementine and also the flashplayer any thing playing sound turns chipmuk when it happens
[16:01] <BluesKaj> what do mean by 'it happens"
[16:01] <BluesKaj> do you
[16:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/249451
[16:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: i will give you the steps
[16:03] <murthy> BluesKaj: after booting and login, open amarok or any audio player and play something, now open the multimedia settings, i do that by right clicking kmix and  selecting audio setup . After that the dialog which i posted above appears and the sound turns chipmuk
[16:05] <BluesKaj> have you set up the the soundcard devices in phonon and chosen the drivers that work as default first of all ..i need to know what you have and haven't done
[16:05] <murthy> BluesKaj: after closing the player that playing the chipmuk audio and opening it and playing any music , it plays correctly and the problem doesnt occur even when opening the multimedia settings and the dialog doesn't showup
[16:06] <murthy> BluesKaj: I haven't done anything
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok , open system settings>multimedia>phonon>device preference tab , there will be your soundevices listed there , check the test option on them and choose the first one that gives you a proper sound
[16:10] <BluesKaj> murthy,^
[16:11] <murthy> BluesKaj: checking
[16:12] <murthy> BluesKaj: there is only one device active and the rest are grey i will give you the snap
[16:13] <BluesKaj> don't bother , does it work with the test option when highlighted?
[16:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/249453
[16:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: it works
[16:14] <murthy> BluesKaj: I change from analog stereo to 5.1 sometimes
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok move it to the top with the prefer option , and apply
[16:16] <murthy> BluesKaj: for all ?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ok , how are you running 5.1 , analog or spdif  ? either way you need to set pulse audio up in the hardware tab
[16:17] <murthy> BluesKaj: analog
[16:18] <murthy> BluesKaj: i am moving the device up for all categories
[16:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: done, for testing i have to restart
[16:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: should i test now?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> pure 5.1 is discrete digital / spdif out , the other 5.1 is just an analog presentation into 5 speakers
[16:20] <BluesKaj> murthy, have you setup the device setting in the device tab ?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> if so ,  just try aamarok , yo may not need to reboot
[16:21] <murthy> BluesKaj: i will paste the hardware tab snap
[16:21] <BluesKaj> phat phingers here
[16:22] <murthy> BluesKaj: no the problem shows only one after login
[16:22] <murthy> BluesKaj: so i have to reboot to check
[16:23] <BluesKaj> make sure you "applied" your settings
[16:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: double checked the settings are applied
[16:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: so shall i reboot?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> well , do you have pavucontrol installed ? it will solidify your settings in the phonon/device section and I don't think pulseaudio is crashing as you posted elsewhere .
[16:26] <BluesKaj> murthy, ^
[16:27] <novaisabadcat> my system decided on its own to boot into the grub screen at every boot instead of just going to the default..does anyone have any idea how to fix that?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> but you can reboot now
[16:27] <murthy> BluesKaj: i like pavucontrol , but i am concerned about the gtk stuff
[16:29] <BluesKaj> don't be, I use synaptic all the time as my reference package manager , what's afew gtklibs ?
[16:30] <murthy> BluesKaj: you don't use muon?
[16:33] <BluesKaj>  not a muon fan
[16:35] <mandoguit> synaptic for the win....
[16:37] <BluesKaj> mandoguit, to each his own , it's a matter of personal preference , not a competition
[16:39] <mandoguit> please don't read more into my comments than whats there....that's all I was expressing... a personal preference.   snotty attitude is not appreciated thank you very much.   and no need to reply
[16:41] <BluesKaj> snotty ? ...sorry you feel that way, but that's not my problem :)
[16:41] <genii-around> BluesKaj: They did a hit n run :)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , while I was typing
[16:46] <novaisabadcat> my grub config seems to have decided to show the menu when I boot instead of silently goign to default.  I'm trying to find out how to change it back to the original setting but I can't understand exactly how kubuntu has implemented it.  my package manager says i dont have grub installed.  I have some grub config files i can edit that tell me to also run grub-update, but running grub-update tells me grub isnt installed
[16:46] <novaisabadcat> .  Yet when I boot I see gnu grub 2.0 menu...anyone have any advice?
[16:48] <novaisabadcat> I tried setting grub_timeout to 0 in /etc/default/grub, but if i can't run grub-update then it can't update /boot/grub.cfg properly....setting it had no effect.
[16:49] <murthy> novaisabadcat: probably you have 2 grubs installed seperately
[16:49] <murthy> novaisabadcat: *separately
[16:50] <novaisabadcat> i dont see any installed in the package manager...and i didn't mess with grub at all..so i dont know why that would happen
[16:50] <BluesKaj> do you have more than one Linux install on your HDD , novaisabadcat ?
[16:50] <novaisabadcat> no this is on a virtual machine
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dunno how to handle that , VMsaren't my forte
[16:51] <novaisabadcat> its been booting right into the default as it should for ages...all the sudden its booting to that menu
[16:52] <novaisabadcat> well it should be just like a standalone pc as far as kubuntu is concerned
[16:52] <novaisabadcat> i guess what i should have said is no i dont have more than one os installed  :D
[16:53] <novaisabadcat> I updated KDE yesterday....then had some horrible lockup at one point and had to reset
[16:53] <BluesKaj> well , if you're running a VM you must be a using a host OS for the VM
[16:54] <novaisabadcat> yes but i believe that's not relevent to the issue as it's a virtual disc
[16:54] <novaisabadcat> the host is win 7
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> running vmware player
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> but the kubuntu install is jsut the standard install method...one os
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> and it thinks it has its own 60gb drive all to itself
[16:56] <novaisabadcat> im a bit concerned that resetting while it was locked up might have borked some things...I sis try a fsck scan..didnt seem to help
[16:56] <BluesKaj> how are booting into windows then when you need to if the system auto boots to linux in VM
[16:56] <novaisabadcat> sis=did*
[16:58] <BluesKaj> murthy, is your audio ok , now?
[16:58] <baizon_> test
[16:59] <novaisabadcat> There's no multi OS booting at all going on..windows 7 boots normally...then i start up vmware player and start up a kubuntu VM...the vm uses files on the host as the hard drive
[16:59] <novaisabadcat> so the kubuntu guest only knows of one hard drive..and its not real
[17:00] <novaisabadcat> basically its a default install of kubuntu..not a multiboot setup in any way
[17:00] <novaisabadcat> so the fact that its showing grub all the sudden seems strange and unnecessary
[17:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: i was upgrading to 4.10.1, it finished now, going to reboot
[17:01] <novaisabadcat> let me know if it fuckers up your grub : P
[17:01] <BluesKaj> so your concern is that grub appears , if it boots ok , what's the worry ...be happy that it's there
[17:02] <BluesKaj> novaisabadcat, no need for that kind of language'
[17:02] <murthy> !language
[17:02] <murthy> novaisabadcat: ^
[17:02] <genii-around> I think the command is update-grub, not grub-update
[17:02] <novaisabadcat> well the greater concern is how it changed on its own or why...but yeah i dont like having to first click in the vmware window to give it focus..then press enter for it to boot up when it used to just boot up
[17:02]  * apachelogger looks
[17:02] <apachelogger> genii-around's very much right FWIW
[17:02] <novaisabadcat> ooh sorry about that
[17:03] <novaisabadcat> ill watch my mouth
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger:  what are you looking at?
[17:03] <apachelogger> language
[17:03] <apachelogger> apparently
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger: heh
[17:03] <BluesKaj> novaisabadcat, yes , as genii-around says sudo update-grub
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger: thats just in here , not in dev chaneel
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> i tried that and it said grub isnt installed
[17:04] <apachelogger> when someone does !language in here I get a highlight... :P
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> which is odd cause its clearly there at boot...and the files are there..but update-grub fails
[17:04] <apachelogger> also technically it applies to *all* ubuntu channels
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> i feel like i set off a firealarm
[17:04] <apachelogger> includes -devel and -offtopic
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> nothig to see here..i dropped an fbomb..im sorry
[17:04] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: please paste the exact output
[17:05] <apachelogger> !paste
[17:05] <novaisabadcat> "sudo: update-grub: command not found"
[17:05] <BluesKaj> nope novaisabadcat most of us dual boot , rather than use vmplayer or VMs if we need windows
[17:05] <murthy> apachelogger: not even a day went without me seeing the works in dev channel
[17:05] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: what version of kubuntu?
[17:05] <novaisabadcat> Kubuntu 12.10
[17:05] <murthy> apachelogger: not even a day went without me seeing the *WORDS in dev channel
[17:06] <BluesKaj> nope sudo update-grub , no ":"
[17:06] <novaisabadcat> i didnt issue the command with a ":" thats jsut the resonse
[17:07] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: dpkg-query -s grub2-common |grep Status; dpkg -L grub2-common; which update-grub && ls -l `which update-grub`
[17:07] <apachelogger> paste again please
[17:08] <novaisabadcat> as root?
[17:08] <apachelogger> no
[17:09] <novaisabadcat> "dpkg-query: package 'grub2-common' is not installed and no information is available"
[17:09] <apachelogger> :O
[17:09] <novaisabadcat> yeah...is grub installed on demand?
[17:09] <apachelogger> no? :P
[17:10] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:11] <novaisabadcat> i have another problem that seemed to start about the same time..that should be totally unrelated..but the fact that both are happening made me suspect file system errors..but fsck found nothing
[17:12] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: file system errors?
[17:14] <novaisabadcat> it was a thought.  I've been using Deluge for torrenting...it stopped connecting, and I was also not able to change bandwidth limits from the status bar.  I uninstalled, reinstalled, purged, reinstalled, then finally found the config files in my home folder and reset those...it fixed the status bar interaction problem..but still cant connect to anything
[17:15] <novaisabadcat> so something in the config files got borked...removing and recreating it all made it a bit better...so thats why i susupected file errors
[17:15] <apachelogger> curious
[17:15] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: I'd reinstall :P
[17:15] <novaisabadcat> everything?
[17:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:15] <apachelogger> well
[17:15] <apachelogger> if you want to recover
[17:15] <apachelogger> ...
[17:15] <FloodBotK1> apachelogger: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:16] <novaisabadcat> uh oh fire alarm
[17:16] <novaisabadcat> yeah fortunately i have a backup of it from about a week ago..prior to installing kde 4.10 and a few other things
[17:16] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: cd ~; mkdir logs && cp /var/log/dpkg.log* logs/; cp -r /var/log/apt logs/; tar -cf logs.tar logs && xz -9 logs.tar; rm -rf logs logs.tar
[17:17] <apachelogger> that will create a logs.tar.xz file in your home, send that to apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[17:17] <apachelogger> then run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:17] <apachelogger> FloodBotK1: I'll think you to not insult my thinking speed
[17:19] <novaisabadcat> ok i sent the logs
[17:20] <novaisabadcat> i think rather than reinstalling kubuntu-desktop..i might try going to my backup and updating from there
[17:20] <novaisabadcat> though if thats my intention it wouldnt hurt to try reinstalling kubuntu via apt also
[17:21] <novaisabadcat> one of the upsides to using a vm...you can just make a copy of the whole folder and replace it if the need arises
[17:23] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: that's why I suggested reinstall... in most cases it's simpler to reinstall a vm than to actually recover it
[17:25] <novaisabadcat> I used to mess with dual booting...or even just choosing my hard drive from bios...but it seems so much better to run it as a vm...i have both windows and inlux available at once..and dual monitors.  It's pretty handy when its workign right.
[17:26] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: are you using any ppas?
[17:26] <apachelogger> cat /etc/apt/sources.list; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[17:26] <novaisabadcat> yes a few
[17:27] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: please paste
[17:28] <novaisabadcat> http://pastebin.com/P7wvE5Ai
[17:28] <Ab3L> hi. i see that with cheese i can use effects through my webcam. but how can i use those video effects in skype. does someone know?
[17:28] <apachelogger> I know appropximately what happened
[17:29] <apachelogger> not sure on the why though
[17:29] <apachelogger> Ab3L: you can't
[17:29] <apachelogger> they are features of cheese
[17:31] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: brb in 2
[17:34] <Ab3L> apachelogger: do you know if there's somewhere a server for linux which can do that?
[17:35] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: back
[17:35] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: you think you know what might have happened?
[17:36] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: wine ppa is at fault it seems, at 2013-03-07  07:52:38 you installed wine1.4 and some other stuff of which some package triggered the removal of gettext, after that your system started to fall apart as the removal of gettext allowed for other essential packages to be removed up to the point where no more packages could be removed
[17:36] <apachelogger> ie. you right now have half a system :P
[17:36] <novaisabadcat> eek
[17:37] <novaisabadcat> it did occur to me that installing wine in a linux guest running on a windows host did seem really unnecessary in the first place
[17:37] <novaisabadcat> not everything has to make sense does it
[17:37] <apachelogger> yeah well, the problem was the quality of the package (or some other package that was installed in that batch)
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> slightly unsettling...so avoid wine in the future?
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> or should i avoid ppas?
[17:38] <apachelogger> PPAs in general unless you know you can trust the creators
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> i must say for having only half a system..ive only noticed a couple symptoms
[17:39] <novaisabadcat> but i thought we all trusted wine
[17:39] <apachelogger> overall, the more ppas you have the more likely it gets that something goes wrong though
[17:39] <apachelogger> so it is not always a trust issue ^^
[17:39] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: as I said, I am not entirely sure it's wine's fault
[17:39] <murthy> going for reboot brb
[17:40] <novaisabadcat> I have this terrible habit of thinking that newer=better when i know it's not always true.
[17:40] <apachelogger> yeah :)
[17:41] <novaisabadcat> yeah alot went on in the last day or two as far as installign and removing..basically I fiddled with apache and wine...then had trouble with deluge so i fiddled with that too
[17:41] <novaisabadcat> apache isnt from a ppa though
[17:41] <apachelogger> anywho, what you can do is remove the PPAs you do not need then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:41] <apachelogger> that should actually resolve the problems
[17:42] <apachelogger> yeah, deluge broke because of the stuff that was removed
[17:42] <apachelogger> it had implicit dependencies on something in there (some python package apparently) and when that went away parts of deluge broke
[17:42] <novaisabadcat> ok cool ill back this up in the mess its in and give that a shot....you think thats a better solution than just reverting to a copy of the vm from a week ago?
[17:43] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: doesn't really matter, if you revert just make sure to get rid of ppas you don't need
[17:43] <novaisabadcat> i definately dont need wine
[17:43] <apachelogger> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and watch out for things that may be removed
[17:43] <apachelogger> should be good to go again after that
[17:43] <novaisabadcat> cool thank you for the help
[17:43] <apachelogger> np
[17:43]  * apachelogger leaves for dinner
[17:58] <murthy_> BluesKaj: i tried after restart and the sound problem still exists. I think its a pulseaudio issue
[18:00] <BluesKaj> murthy_, ok you'll have to purge pulseaudio , then reboot agin and try it with alsa alone ..alsa by itself is capable of processing all your audio needs except for audio on websites , that's the only reason I use pulse
[18:17] <roasted> Any of you cool cats running an alternative launcher, like takeoff or homerun?
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> !in
[18:30] <unheeding> is it possible for konsole to have split view with seperate processes in each view?
[18:32] <DarthFrog> unheeding:  Of course.  just open a new tab.
[18:33] <unheeding> oh okay, that makes sense now
[18:33] <unheeding> I'm slowly relearning things coming from GTK-based environs
[18:38] <avihay> roasted: lancelot
[18:40] <roasted> avihay: based on screenshots I wasn't that interested in lancelot.
[18:40] <roasted> avihay: I was hoping to install homerun, but I added the PPA... and nothing happened... no package could be found.
[18:42] <avihay> did you try looking inside the ppa from a browser?
[18:42] <roasted> uh, I was not aware you could do that...
[18:43] <avihay> lancelot is a small improvement over the default launcher, not too exciteing. homerun looked nice though
[18:43] <avihay> what's the name of the ppa?
[18:43] <roasted> blue-shell/homerun
[18:45] <unheeding> hmm, now i just need to find a way to have icon only task manager seperate my irssi and konsole sessions
[18:45] <avihay> chttps://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun
[18:46] <roasted> yeah I'm still not following you avihay
[18:47] <avihay> the ppa has 5 packages listed
[18:48] <avihay> did you remember to update the repository database after adding the ppa?
[18:49] <roasted> avihay: yes
[18:49] <roasted> of course
[18:49] <tatie> hello.... lately Akonadi is taking over a lot of ram. how to get arround this? it used to be fine before but now with firefox open (3 tabs) it is showing almost 800MB memorry used. i have only 1,2GB ram
[18:51] <avihay> mmm, there was a way to download packages from a ppa manually from within a browser
[18:51] <roasted> sigh
[18:51] <tatie> checkign system monitor i can see firefox is taking 300 MB :-O
[18:52] <tatie> there is 18 instances of akonadi_agent_launcher
[18:53] <tatie> each taking 13MB
[18:53] <tatie> mail dispatcher, birthday resource... both taking about 30 mb
[18:53] <tatie> mail filter and such asnd such. and i dont' even use Kmail
[18:55] <tatie> what will happen if i dsiable it?
[18:55] <tatie> disable
[18:55]  * avihay tries to build homerunf rom source
[18:55] <avihay> tatie: I only have two
[19:00] <roasted> avihay: looks like homerun is mainly targeted for 12.10 and 13.04, not 12.04 as I'm on (even though I have KDE 4.10)
[19:00] <roasted> One guy said he just downloaded each package 1 by 1 and it was fine
[19:01] <tatie> which is why i do not udnerstand why so many are running. i do not have any programmes in backgorund. only firefox is on
[19:01] <avihay> well, I run 12.04 and it compiled just fine
[19:01] <roasted> what exactly did you do to install it? I have the tar ball but I didn't see any install scripts inside.
[19:01] <avihay> except for some c++11 issue (removed a keyword)
[19:02] <avihay> kde software is usually configured with cmake, that generates the makefile
[19:02] <roasted> That irritates me that 12.04 isn't supported.
[19:02] <roasted> What's the point of an LTS then?
[19:02] <tatie> i just checked. a lot of them say personal contacts
[19:02] <avihay> security updates
[19:04] <roasted> hm, downloaded the .deb's manually and it indeed worked fine
[19:04] <avihay> mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
[19:05] <avihay> or download the deb...
[19:05] <tatie> aha it's about those personal contacts that dont' exist anymore since i removed KDE
[19:05] <tatie> not KDE i mean kmail
[19:05] <roasted> wow, I like this a lot...
[19:09] <tatie>  MB on idle. is that nromal? should it be lower closer to 250 MB? MB on
[19:09] <tatie> 490 MB
[19:10] <tatie> on idle
[19:10] <tatie> would it be bad if i disabled it?
[19:14] <tatie> i am disabling it. i just saw that CPU was also used a lot before and this maschine has a celeron, so i don't want extra load on it for no good reason
[19:48] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:58] <goodtime> lo lordievader
[19:59] <lordievader> Hey goodtime, how are you?
[20:07] <goodtime> im good lol sorry im in a conversation over here lol brb
[20:59] <ronalds> atleast in kde scale works fine
[21:41] <cloakable> Does anyone else have the echo cancel sink showing up as mono on stereo speakers?
[23:41] <rberg> ever since I upgraded to 4.10.1 nepomukservices is preventing my from putting my laptop to sleep. nepomukservicestub nepomukfilewatch is the process specifically. anybody else?
[23:42] <rberg> my laptop I mean