[08:04] <redtape-renegade> Happy Women Day !! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/on-this-day-first-international-womens-day-united-nations-pathe-155237499.html
[08:42] <popey> Morning
[08:43] <jacobw> Ahoy popey
[09:00] <brobostigon> [A
[09:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:02] <popey> yes
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning his popey-ness
[09:05] <wintellect> popey: as the pope is going to be re-elected, perhaps we should re-elect a "popey" too :P
[09:12]  * AlanBell looks for a puff of aubergine smoke
[09:14] <popey> hah
[09:33] <diplo> Morning all
[09:34] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[09:36] <redtape-renegade> wintellect: We all know popey is too important for pope. Instead .. Sky will elected the spiritual leader of Italy.
[09:36] <SuperMatt> take bets now: how many community flounce-off blog posts will there be today?
[09:37] <redtape-renegade> What's a "flounce-off" ?
[09:38] <SuperMatt> people saying they don't want to be a member of the community any more
[09:38] <Laney> there was a calming the flames post on -devel
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> oh OK .. but you get free stickers ?
[09:39] <Laney> and I think sabdfl was trying to do that a bit with his blog post too
[09:48] <AlanBell> flouncing is better than raging
[09:50] <AlanBell> and it looks like 13.04 will actually be released which is good
[09:50] <directhex> sadly i think i'm going to have to dump ubuntu as the base for company linux installs
[09:50] <directhex> but i renewed my ability to upload mono things to the archive.
[09:50] <directhex> in both cases because i still care about my users
[09:56] <wintellect> redtape-renegade: lol
[09:58] <Laney> directhex: because you're shipping non-LTS releases?
[09:59] <directhex> Laney, i am not. but as a company we do a lot of development on core linux desktop technologies, and i don't know how much dogfooding will even be possible by 14.04
[10:03] <Laney> I suppose it depends what you want to work on; most of the plumbing is remaining the same
[10:03] <Laney> but perhaps another distro (or a flavour) would be more interesting for, say, X work
[10:03] <Laney> not that I know how that's going to pan out
[10:06] <directhex> well, let's take mir as the example. we pay people to work on wayland, so...
[10:08] <Laney> I expect it will continue to be possible to run them (perhaps not Unity though), but it won't be the path of least resistance
[10:10] <directhex> there are already instances with 12.04 where you need to do painful things to not unity all the things
[10:11] <Laney> dbus, telepathy, gstreamer, whatever else though - absolutely
[10:12] <Laney> even parts of systemd(!)
[10:13] <directhex> random example: the default window manager is defined in the lightdm config file (i.e. lightdm hardcodes unity as default), and if unity isn't installed, the fallback is "drop back to lightdm after logging in". so you need to squash lightdm's config file from elsewhere to use a different DE when doing an unattended install
[10:14]  * AlanBell would like to know how to get dbusmenu working when the desktop is not set to unity
[10:15] <AlanBell> so that the HUD libraries work
[10:15] <directhex> i don't think it's a priority
[10:16] <directhex> i.e. any time i encounter an issue with something where "use unity" would be a fix, i don't even bother reporting a bug, because there's a reasonable chance that's by design
[10:16] <bigcalm> Peek-a-boo
[10:22] <bigcalm> popey: 4 pole -> 2x3 pole jack converter arrived and works perfectly :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> I just updated linux-sound-base and alsa-base on one of my servers. Why does the server even have these packages?
[10:31] <shauno> I'm still on 10.04, where the answer is "it doesn't"
[10:34] <popey> yay
[10:35] <shauno> I wish I knew a tidier way to map dependencies, but I'd be tempted to do apt-get --simulate remove linux-sound-base and inspect the fallout
[10:37] <kvarley> bigcalm: You can ask that about a lot of packages in Ubuntu. So much clutter
[10:39] <popey> bigcalm: i worked somewhere where the linux server was also playing music out to the phone system to do the music-on-hold
[10:40] <AlanBell> you can also install ubuntu using headphones and a usb keyboard in the front of a server
[10:43] <directhex> directhex@barnabas:~/CA/collabora$ dpkg -l \*clutter\* | grep -c ^ii
[10:43] <directhex> 4
[10:43] <directhex> not that much clutter,
[10:43]  * directhex flees
[10:44] <bigcalm> heh
[10:44] <bigcalm> popey: I can see a use for it, just rather surprised to see it there by default
[10:45] <davmor2> morning all
[10:45] <popey> rage-meter for Community: [||||||||||||||]   HULKIN'
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: what did I miss
[10:45] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:45] <kvarley> How can I make all future files and folders within /srv/ belong to the group http ?
[10:46] <bigcalm> davmor2: there was 4 of us. Still the usual banter, though a lot less smutty or sweary
[10:46] <bigcalm> kvarley: acl
[10:46] <bigcalm> I think
[10:46] <kvarley> bigcalm: Ok ty
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> kvarley: sticky bits
[10:46] <bigcalm> I could be wrong
[10:46] <davmor2> popey: you and I both know how to calm the community, you grab the camera I'll grab the cat toy then we just need the right image of sky
[10:47] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:47] <shauno> just tried a 12.04 VM I have, it's not there either.  so I'm not sure it is actually a default
[10:47] <bigcalm> Oh, Sky not sky. Was a little confused
[10:47] <bigcalm> shauno: fair enough :) Wonder what thought to install them
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: I figured the cat toy was the give away ;)
[10:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: I thought you were suggesting that popey photograph you playing with a cat toy
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: no
[10:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can join in too now you have a cat that you don't own, oh and a dog you don't own ;)
[10:49] <bigcalm> The dog doesn't live with us
[10:49] <bigcalm> Though I bet Hayley wishes that she did
[10:50] <shauno> bigcalm: found what I was looking for :)  apt-cache showpkg alsa-base; the 'reverse depends' lines will show you what packages require it.  (and it appears any package that's mentioned with a version number, is installeD)
[10:51] <bigcalm> shauno: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595629/
[10:51]  * bigcalm looks
[10:53] <shauno> hm, that is odd.  but it's definately marked as optional, and not attached to the server task
[10:53] <bigcalm> Huh, I don't recall installing any of those reverse dependencies
[10:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: 4 of you, you say adam wasn't one of them if it wasn't smutty and didn't contain swearing then :)
[10:53] <shauno> I may be wrong about the version numbers bit, I picked a bad example to try with
[10:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: exactly as the mailing list states: Ron, me, Alex and Andy
[10:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: so quite highbrow conversation...
[11:02] <bigcalm> Pressing the super key now brings up the dash below all other windows. Not too helpful that
[11:03] <bigcalm> Oh, clicking the ubuntu icon does the same as well
[11:03] <neuro> hmmm
[11:04] <neuro> someone needs to ping d0od
[11:04] <neuro> omgubuntu dns looks b0rked
[11:04] <SuperMatt> about what?
[11:04] <SuperMatt> in what way?
[11:04] <neuro> neuro@challenger:~$ host www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[11:04] <neuro> www.omgubuntu.co.uk is an alias for origin.omgubuntu.co.uk.
[11:04] <neuro> origin.omgubuntu.co.uk has address 64.207.187.111
[11:04] <neuro> Host origin.omgubuntu.co.uk not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[11:04] <neuro> Host origin.omgubuntu.co.uk not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[11:05] <AlanBell> it is just you neuro ;)
[11:05] <SuperMatt> yarr
[11:05] <SuperMatt> everything is fine here
[11:05] <SuperMatt> even on google dns it's fine
[11:06] <neuro> then your browser has managed to use the usable dns entry
[11:06] <neuro> there are two others that say "b0rked"
[11:06] <neuro> and if your browser caches that one ...
[11:06] <neuro> and that *was* a google dns look up
[11:06] <SuperMatt> I just did `dig www.omgubuntu.co.uk @8.8.8.8` and everything came back ok
[11:07] <SuperMatt> lemme watch it until the TTL runs out
[11:07] <neuro> same on opendns
[11:07] <neuro> same on norton dns (198.153.192.1)
[11:08] <neuro> same on level3 (209.244.0.3)
[11:08] <bigcalm> Odd that the website works though
[11:08] <neuro> so chrome here has picked it up now
[11:08] <neuro> but for a couple of minutes, every refresh failed
[11:11] <neuro> pff, dns, pfff
[11:11] <neuro> apparently today is International Women's Day
[11:11] <neuro> according to google
[11:11] <neuro> Party on, International Women!
[11:12] <neuro> local women, carry on.
[11:13] <neuro> SuperMatt: maybe it's a cloudflare thing, i dunno
[11:17] <SuperMatt> could be
[11:17] <SuperMatt> I don't think d0od has much control over the dns
[11:17] <SuperMatt> might be one of his lackeys
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> Damn .. bought a Shuttle PC off ebay .. realoized after it arrived that it's a dud and doesn't work . that's a fortnight to get back the £150 back into my bank a/c . Oh well, seller accepts responsibility and will refund..
[12:36] <dwatkins_> I considered buying a PC on ebay, but I wouldn't want to have it shipped in case the CPU heatsink came loose
[12:41] <redtape-renegade> Very true dwatkins , but Shuttle PC's are spring loaded .. so there's no chance of that . I'm still at a loss as to why it is a dud, but hey, a full refund only leaves me £15 short.
[12:42] <dwatkins> I started looking in to getting a 2nd hand PC off ebay, then realised about the heatsink thing, then one of my friends was selling a quad-core machine
[12:43] <redtape-renegade> Yeah, this was an i3 ..
[12:43] <dwatkins> my quad core machine is about as fast as an early i3
[12:44] <dwatkins> it should be even better when I get an SSD, I just upgraded the RAM thanks to a friend who wasn't using 8 GB
[12:44] <redtape-renegade> cool .. how much was it ?
[12:45] <dwatkins> the same price you paid for the shuttle
[12:45] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. yeah .. they had a 'best offer' on .. so I took £50 off for the fun of it..
[12:46] <dwatkins> not bad
[12:46] <dwatkins> shame it was a dud
[12:46] <redtape-renegade> mmm..
[12:48] <redtape-renegade> BTW Anyone wanting a nice music afternoon .. put this into your Streaming option on VLC and hit play and wait 20 seconds .. it's quite good musae ..
[12:48] <redtape-renegade> http://somafm.com/wma128/indiepop.asx
[12:48] <shauno> I'm still waiting for another cashback to come up on those microservers :/  I always miss it
[12:49] <redtape-renegade> I've never had a cashback or whatever they do in America, ever .. how's it work shauno ??
[12:50] <shauno> fill out the form and wait for a cheque it seems
[12:50] <redtape-renegade> AAh . so you've not done it before ?
[12:50] <dwatkins> Soma has some great stations.
[12:50] <redtape-renegade> v. true +1
[12:50] <dwatkins> I particularly like Groove Salad and Space Radio.
[12:51] <shauno> nope .. but in this particular case it almost halves the cost of the machine, so I'm willing to take a little inconvenience for it
[12:51] <redtape-renegade> Groove Salad is very good .. a classic actually ..
[12:51] <redtape-renegade> shauno: I don't get it ? Are they hoping you dont bank it or something ?
[12:52] <shauno> honestly, no idea
[12:52]  * redtape-renegade forgets how accounting system works momentarily
[12:53] <shauno> there's a limit to how many you can redeem, so I wonder if it's to take a hit on smaller sites, in order to get their name out there, but keep big sites profitable still
[12:53] <redtape-renegade> right draw= credit , left draw = debit . right got it.
[12:54] <diplo> Quite a few of us have bought the microservers and redeemed
[12:55] <diplo> Fill out a form, send it off, 2-3 weeks later a chequ comes through the post
[12:55] <diplo> That's it
[12:55] <shauno> oh I'm not disputing it works, just admitting that I have no idea what the logic behind the offer is
[12:56] <popey> \o/ Microserver
[12:56] <popey> there's a new Microserver now
[12:56] <popey> N54L
[12:57] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to just turn a Raspberry Pi into a server, now I have a separate NAS.
[12:59] <shauno> new & still maxing out at 8GB ram .. bah
[12:59] <diplo> I need MOAR hdd's for mine, can't afford it though really :(
[13:01] <shauno> I'm looking for some cheap boxes to lab vmware on, so ram>disk.  but it still looks like just the chap  (depending on the rebate, otherwise dell's t110 starts looking attractive)
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> .
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> Question:Anybody want to do a hangout on G+ ?
[13:01] <redtape-renegade> .
[13:02] <cliftonts> Yawn!
[13:02] <cliftonts> Afternoon all
[13:03] <diplo> shauno: I have the T108 but it's kinda dead atm
[13:03] <popey> redtape-renegade: I am hanging out now :D
[13:04] <cliftonts> Fact of the day: If you click on the language selection when installing Windows 7 and then use the keyboard to select English it continues to run the installer in whatever flipping language the mouse clicked on!!
[13:08] <bigcalm> popey: put some clothes on
[13:09] <redtape-renegade> last time he was on .. he only had a mic ..
[13:10] <cliftonts> So who's going to this Hacknthing tomorrow?
[13:11] <redtape-renegade> Well, they have a hang-out, so what's the point ?
[13:12] <cliftonts> From my perspective? Well, Alan is bringing a bunch of ubuntu discs for me to collect and I still not really sure what a hang-out is! lol
[13:13] <popey> http://popey.com/hangout
[13:13] <popey> thats a hangout :D
[13:13] <redtape-renegade> cliftonts: A 'hangout' started two years ago .. where you can have a free video conference
[13:14] <cliftonts> I don't have the bandwidth for all that sort of stuff
[13:14] <cliftonts> I've seen it done but I'd be offline within 30 minutes if I did that
[13:15] <cliftonts> Besides, now the landlord has bizzarely removed every mirror in the house I don't think you guys would want to see me anyway!
[13:15] <popey> \o/ that works then
[13:15] <cliftonts> Couldn't even have a shave this morning
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> TRY here .. https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/25e7badb1d90524f3edf916104866fb0fda8e4b7
[13:29] <cliftonts> The wonders of 3G eh?
[13:33] <redtape-renegade> cliftonts: I hven't shaved in three weeks .. I keep seeing Fr. Chrimbo in the mirror :D
[13:36] <cliftonts> redtape-renegade: I'm going for more of a Brian Blesssed
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: including the shouting? :)
[13:38] <cliftonts> Whenever I can get away with it
[13:43] <directhex> GORDON'S ALIVE?
[13:44] <cliftonts> Well, I'm at work, and I've run out of things to do, and I'm bored!
[13:44] <davmor2> Flash ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa saviour of the universe
[13:47] <SuperMatt> Java ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa just as bad as Flash
[13:48] <shauno> I wonder if it's about time browsers did a better job of sandboxing their plugins
[13:49] <SuperMatt> problem isn't about sandboxing the plugins. Java just has too much power over a PC anyway
[13:49] <SuperMatt> f'instance, my company uses a VPN which is instigated by a java plugin
[13:50] <SuperMatt> so I go to a certain page, bam! java fires up and my networking is reconfigured
[13:50] <shauno> we have whole apps running in java, so I'd hope it wasn't bound and gagged
[13:50] <shauno> jboss would be even worse if it had to conform to the same model as a browser plugin.  which is why I point at the plugins.  as does your example
[13:52] <SuperMatt> java has a time and place, but it doesn't need to be in browser
[13:53] <popey> Java.. Write once, debug everywhere.
[13:54] <SuperMatt> hurr
[13:55] <shauno> unfortunately my favourite java quip is !ohmy
[13:56] <cliftonts> Oh, Popey, while you're about can I ask a question? Is the spec of Unity lenses changing for 13.04?
[13:57] <popey> unlikely on the desktop
[13:57] <popey> if your lens works on ubuntu raring, it should work on 13.04
[13:57] <cliftonts> So anything written for previous versions should be ok for the forseeable future?
[13:59] <popey> no. i would test on raring
[13:59] <popey> rather than assume lenses for previous releases will work on 13.04
[13:59] <cliftonts> I'm hoping to find a few people at the hackntalk who can help me bash out something for linking into zen cart
[14:00] <cliftonts> As far as I can tell I have all the bits I need, they just need assembling creatively
[14:11] <NET||abuse> arrrgg,, trying to use patch to update some fixes on a site but i can't do a full release
[14:12] <NET||abuse> problem is diff output is refering to files that don't exist yet.
[14:19] <bigcalm> Anybody with experience of using wrist supports (stretchy bandage type) fancy recommending any?
[14:55] <diplo> bigcalm: Can't recommend one, but don't buy cheap
[14:56] <diplo> If it's for work related they should be paying, part of a goverment thing i believe
[15:22] <Laney> power cut!
[15:22] <Laney> it's good to know that I still find them exciting :-)
[15:26] <Laney> http://www.westernpower.co.uk/Power-outages/What-s-Happening.aspx is a useful page
[15:26] <Laney> ... NOT
[15:28] <popey> I bought some candles the other day
[15:28] <popey> should have lit them during UDS hangouts and turned all the lights out, waited for someone to ask why, then said "powercut" and see how long before someone twigs..
[15:29] <Laney> I already was NIMBYing the new tram line here in Nottingham, and now if it's caused a powercut (roadworks for it just down the road) I'll have more ammunition :D
[15:29]  * popey ponders using some kind of imap sync tool to sync all his mail down to his laptop and use mutt locally
[15:29]  * Laney is doing that (offlineimap)
[15:29] <popey> are you doing anything funky with your offlineimap config?
[15:30] <popey> i.e. do you cron it or run it all the time or what?
[15:30] <Laney> cron
[15:30] <popey> details man, details!
[15:30] <Laney> it's pretty unreliable to run constantly
[15:30] <popey> pls blog ta
[15:30] <Laney> */5 * * * * offlineimap -uquiet -o || pkill -9 offlineimap
[15:30] <popey> perfick, ta
[15:31] <popey> do you sync to your laptop?
[15:31] <Laney> yeah
[15:31] <popey> or to a local serrver?
[15:31] <popey> ok
[15:31] <popey> offlineimap from repo in raring?
[15:31] <Laney> that's the one
[15:31] <Laney> maintained by our very own xnox
[15:32] <popey> suh-weet
[15:32] <Laney> and ssmtp for sendmail
[15:33] <xnox> popey: cron of run once is the best, i sync to local dovecot (as I flip between mail-clients that i use)
[15:33] <BigRedS_> I have a cron to run my offlineimap minutely and another to kill ones that've crashed every half hour
[15:34]  * popey looks for offlineimap config
[15:34]  * popey finds http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/30/backup-email-with-offlineimap/
[15:34] <BigRedS> haha
[15:35] <BigRedS> I can probably get you my mutt,msmtp,offlineimap config if you like. It's all in a git repo for pulling down to new installs easily
[15:35] <BigRedS> just gotta get the passwords out of it and tar it up
[15:35] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:35] <Laney> keep meaning to try sup/notmuch, but a resounding C B A always sounds when I think about actually doing it
[15:36] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I think I stumbled across that when I switched to mutt
[15:37] <BigRedS> but it looked like more faff than I wanted
[15:52] <popey> ok, offlineimap running
[15:52] <popey> i only have one thread, this is gonna take a while
[15:59] <kvarley> Wow, just wow. A mini android PC stick with a 1.8GHz quad core processor on it! http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tronsmart-T428-Quad-Core-Mini-PC-Android-4-2-Rockchip-RK3188-2G-DDR3-Wifi-Bluetooth-TV-BOX-314524.html
[16:02] <kvarley> I wonder what the import tax will be
[16:05] <directhex> kvarley, here's the thing
[16:05] <directhex> kvarley, remember the days when an AMD chip ran at one speed, and an Intel chip ran at a different speed, and you couldn't directly compare them?
[16:06] <directhex> rockchip is not the AMD of arm chips. it is not the cyrix of arm chips. it is the ITD WinChip of ARM chips
[16:06] <bigcalm> Eugh
[16:06] <bigcalm> Such dirty names
[16:06] <directhex> it might say 1.8GHz on it, but in a benchmark, a 1ghz dual-core qualcomm or samsung will smash it
[16:07] <directhex> into dust
[16:10] <redtape-renegade> taking of unusefullness .. I need to check my twitter feed ..
[16:10] <kvarley> directhex: There are benchmarks here http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php/2013/03/08/tronsmart-t428the-first-rk3188-quad-core-mini-pc-coming/
[16:12] <popey> Laney: xnox how many parallel threads do you do, if syncing canonical mail?
[16:12] <popey> i dont want to kick the crap out of the mail server, but I'd like my mail sometime soon
[16:13] <Laney> you mean for the initial sync?
[16:13] <xnox> popey: my launchpad & mailing-list spam goes to gmail. So on canonical.com I only have canonical inbox which gets very little traffic, hence single thread only.
[16:13] <directhex> kvarley, be extremely suspicious. the thing that really isn't trustworthy is any benchmark which isn't hammering I/O - especially network and disk simultaneously
[16:15] <popey> hmmm
[16:15] <popey> thats a thought
[16:15] <popey> yes Laney
[16:16] <Laney> I probably just did it overnight
[16:16] <popey> xnox: so you throw it at gmail and reply from an @ubuntu address or something?
[16:18] <xnox> popey: i use canonical address very sparingly, only for job/office related things. For most stuff I do use gmail+ubuntu.com email address (as I have done from way before joining canonical ;-) )
[16:19] <popey> hmmm, this is clearly the way forwards
[16:19] <popey> Thank you rubber ducks
[16:22] <bigcalm> Quack
[16:22] <Laney> ooh, A Man™ has turned up and started poking around in the substation
[16:23] <Laney> some blown fuses apparently
[16:25] <Laney> yay, back on
[16:57] <rindolf> Hi all.
[16:57] <rindolf> What's up?
[16:57] <rindolf> Happy International Women's Day.
[17:04] <directhex> i'm not an international woman, so i can't celebrate that
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> You're just a national one then?
[17:07] <directhex> i'm a regional man!
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> A local guy
[17:09] <rindolf> Heh.
[17:09]  * rindolf is a sick straight male bastard.
[17:10] <rindolf> I am so full of it that I write many stories with female protagonists (or antagonists).
[17:10] <rindolf> Don't know how I can presume to understand women.
[17:11] <rindolf> But I just write, and some people (including many women) - seem to enjoy them.
[17:12] <rindolf> On the bright side, I am trying to be a gentleman and am always honest in my relationships.
[17:21] <davidmarais> sorry my Dell froze and needed to be kicked
[17:51] <rindolf> davidmarais: ah, that sucks.
[17:53] <rindolf> directhex: heh, your comment about being an international woman reminds me of this - http://pastie.org/6423026
[17:53] <rindolf> From http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/TOWTF/
[17:54] <rindolf> "The One With The Fountainhead" - a parody of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead modelled around an episode of the T.V. show "Friends".
[17:54] <rindolf> And I'll stop.
[17:54] <rindolf> Are you people busy pubbing
[17:54] <rindolf> ?
[18:34] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins: I have figured out what the problem is .
[18:36] <dwatkins> redtape-renegade: oh?
[18:37] <redtape-renegade> Yep ..
[18:39] <redtape-renegade> Basically the CPU plastic guard that holds down the heatsink fan has snapped off my other main AMDII computer .. son instead of wasteing precious days waiting for the next £300 i7 to come up on ebay  .. probably best that I spend £3 pounds on a simple replacement :)
[18:39] <dwatkins> do tell
[18:40] <redtape-renegade> **so instead..
[18:40] <dwatkins> cool (pun not intended)
[18:40] <redtape-renegade> Anyone know anyone who does next day delivery on that kinda jazz ?
[18:40] <dwatkins> amazon, if you pay for it
[18:41] <redtape-renegade> scanning...
[18:41] <dwatkins> or screwfix, rapid, and possibly ebuyer
[18:41] <dwatkins> actually, forget screwfix
[18:41] <dwatkins> Farnell might
[18:42] <dwatkins> I'm off out for food, ttfn
[18:43] <redtape-renegade> opk bye ..
[18:51] <redtape-renegade> Man £18 for next day delivery of an item that is £4 , kinda sucks. .. Bought it anyhow :(
[19:19] <redtape-renegade> .. if it doesn't arrive Monday ... be warned amazon .. I'll be narked.
[20:03] <redtape-renegade> internet down,, brback...
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> bareback internet?
[20:20] <AlanBell> rule 34
[20:21] <amayer> haha
[20:24] <rindolf> MartijnVdS: be right back.
[20:24] <rindolf> What is rule 34?
[20:24] <rindolf> So many memes - so little time.
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> I think it's better not to explain rule 34 here.. if you REALLY want to know, please google it yourself ;)
[20:26] <shauno> it's not often I'd advise skipping to urbandictionary, but the first result or two feature heavily in examples, you may want to skip to UD this time
[20:30]  * MartijnVdS orders a TP-Link WDR 4300
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> it can run OpenWRT
[20:31] <rindolf> http://xkcd.com/305/ - ah, hah.
[20:44] <ali1234> why does "empty the rubbish bin" take so long?
[20:44] <ali1234> if i go to the directory and rm -rf it will take less than 1 second
[20:44] <ali1234> but doing it through file manager takes several minutes
[20:44] <amayer> i never understood that either
[20:45] <popey> it removes each file in turn I guess
[20:47] <shauno> I wonder if there's some metadata store to facilitate restoring to the previous location?  that'd add an unexpected overhead
[20:48] <ali1234> probably
[20:48] <ali1234> so if i rm -rf it
[20:48] <ali1234> then i'm also leaking database?
[20:48] <ali1234> 4 minutes later it is still "preparing"
[20:49] <shauno> couldn't tell you, just making random guesses at "how did you manage to break that"
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> iotop?
[20:49] <ali1234> it's always been this way
[20:50] <ali1234> gvfsd-trash is hammering both disk and cpu
[20:52] <ali1234> well, i'm going to ask this question on ask ubuntu
[21:01] <ali1234> i only have 11 files and directories in the top level of trash and that is all it needs to care about for restoring
[21:01] <ali1234> it has a .trashinfo file for each one
[21:04] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/q/265660/12435
[21:21] <ali1234> oh hey, it finished deleting
[21:22] <ali1234> oh wait, no it didn't half the files are still there
[21:28] <ali1234> hmm pparently i enabled bootchart and then forgot about it
[21:29] <ali1234> typical boot time was 65 seconds
[21:30] <ali1234> right in the middle is a 10 second delay with no disk or cpu activity... corresponds directly to unity-greeter
[21:30] <ali1234> this is on precise
[21:30] <AlanBell> ooh, I have 1.6GB of bootchart stuff in /var/log/bootchart
[21:32] <AlanBell> now I have 1.6GB more space on my SSD \o/
[21:34] <ali1234> you must reboot a lot
[21:35] <ali1234> between may and november i rebooted 41 times
[21:35] <ali1234> ~100mb of charts
[21:36] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5597178/ they were kinda big
[21:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:42] <popey> lo
[21:43] <bigcalm> What fun stuff have I been missing recently?
[21:44] <AlanBell> there was a virtual UDS
[21:44] <AlanBell> and some flouncing
[21:45] <bigcalm> Oh I do like a good flounce
[21:47] <bigcalm> Need something fun to buy from Steam I think
[21:54] <popey> ooh steam, thats a good idea
[21:58] <popey> whee, up to 134 games now
[21:58] <popey> https://twitter.com/DailyLinuxSteam/status/310147305686851584
[23:03] <redtape-renegade> Well that was interesting .. we had a DNS outage nation-wide over here for 2 hours .. I blame the guy with three legs !!
[23:07] <redtape-renegade> ... as an aside .. although I'm not sure how authome my score is , but I did manage to get up-to Level 26 on Frozen Bubble  .. oh Ubuntu : Offline you give me brownie points even though I can't tell anyone .. it's our little secret .. [Oooops!! ]