[00:20] <jrgifford> thafreak: got a link?
[00:20] <jrgifford> i know someone who might be looking.
[01:00] <jrgifford> paultag: oh man, way to be all sad and serious about it.
[01:01] <paultag> I don't really see this as funny myself
[01:01] <paultag> a lot of really smart people are leaving because of egos.
[01:01] <jrgifford> paultag: but while i appreciate the invite, i'm still going to be over here. yes, i am concerned, yes, i have started to make sure all my stuff works on CentOS and debian, but i'm also waiting.
[01:01] <paultag> I want to make sure they're welcomed into Debian
[01:01] <paultag> I'm still here, jrgifford
[01:01] <paultag> even though I left over a year ago.
[01:02] <paultag> not only the state, but the distro
[01:02] <jrgifford> yeah
[01:02] <jrgifford> i probably should swap the SSD for my tinkering HDD, and play around with debian
[01:03] <jrgifford> so here's my question
[01:04] <jrgifford> is squeeze testing, or stable?
[01:04] <jrgifford> right now.
[01:04] <jrgifford> because i can't find an answer. maybe i'm googling the wrong way.
[01:04] <paultag> I don't use any of those
[01:04] <paultag> I use Unstable (sid)
[01:04] <paultag> plus Experimental
[01:04] <jrgifford> i'd like to try testing first,
[01:04] <paultag> if you'd like
[01:04] <jrgifford> and then move to sid later
[01:04] <paultag> well
[01:04] <paultag> squeeze is stable, jrgifford
[01:04] <paultag> so fix your list :)
[01:05] <paultag> jrgifford: testing is nice, and there's a nightly d-i image for netboot and straight iso
[01:05] <Unit193> Wheezy is almost stale anyway.
[01:05] <Unit193> I mean stable3.
[01:05] <paultag> jrgifford: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[01:05] <paultag> Unit193: :)
[01:05] <jrgifford> ok, there we go
[01:05] <jrgifford> thanks!
[01:07] <paultag> sure dude
[01:07] <paultag> rock on witcha' bad self
[01:07] <paultag> jrgifford: be aware of non-free drivers, though
[01:07] <paultag> we're very strict about software freedoms
[01:07] <jrgifford> so, dd to usb stick, swap my hard drive, install, setup all my stuff, party.
[01:07] <paultag> do add non-free debs if you need them
[01:08] <jrgifford> it's a intel thinkpad, don't think there are any nonfree stuff
[01:08] <paultag> ok :)
[01:09] <jrgifford> i'll keep that in mind for if/when i switch the AMD machine from fedora.
[01:09] <jrgifford> side note: fedora is pretty nice, i'm missing a lot of my software, but it's still not bad.
[01:09] <paultag> jrgifford: I think you'll be suprised at how much you like Debian, once you understand it's changes from Ubuntu
[01:10] <paultag> or rather, when you understand the Ubuntu changes from Debian
[01:11] <jrgifford> ok
[01:12] <jrgifford> i'm working on converting the intern
[01:13] <jrgifford> ok, not the intern. he's really the junior member of the team.
[01:13] <jrgifford> started by installing chrunchbang on his workstation
[01:13] <jrgifford> now that he's got a laptop, we're going to teach him how to do complex VMs and stuff in windows, and then show him how easy it is to do on a linux distro
[01:13] <paultag> :)
[01:14] <jrgifford> he fights every step of the way, he likes his games.
[01:14] <jrgifford> so we're also ordering the t61 cd drive caddy, and another hard drive
[01:14] <jrgifford> so he can dual-boot without running out of space
[01:15] <jrgifford> ok, downloaded, dd'ed, shutting down to swap. cya on the other side. :D
[01:47] <jrgifford> ok, paultag - i am now at the "configure package manager" step, and the us and kernel.org mirrors don't support debian testing.
[01:47] <jrgifford> do i go ahead and continue without a network mirror?
[01:47] <paultag> erm
[01:48] <paultag> us does
[01:48] <jrgifford> the docs i'm reading say that's a bad idea.
[01:48] <paultag> and I think kernel.org does too
[01:48] <paultag> in fact, I'm almost sure of it
[01:48] <paultag> http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/
[01:48] <paultag> yes
[01:48] <paultag> jrgifford: kernel.org does. I use MIT, myself.
[01:49] <jrgifford> interesting
[01:49] <jrgifford> let me see if i can ping out.
[01:49] <paultag> jrgifford: here are my mirrors - http://static.pault.ag/debian/mirrors.txt
[01:49] <paultag> (commented a few out)
[01:49] <jrgifford> ok
[01:53] <gilbert> paultag: wondeful blog post :)
[01:53] <paultag> gilbert: thanks :)
[01:59] <jrgifford> bad cable.
[01:59] <jrgifford> it was loose.
[02:00] <paultag> jrgifford: #fail :)
[02:01] <jrgifford> so now, while debian installs, i need to get my tire patched before i leave tomorrow. :P
[02:01] <jrgifford> that'll be fun.
[02:01] <paultag> :)
[02:02] <jrgifford> now, i will participate in debian's package popularity contest.
[02:03] <jrgifford> never did for ubuntu, at least, not knowingly.
[02:03] <paultag> :)
[02:03] <paultag> I think it was enabled by default?
[02:03] <jrgifford> i always disabled it
[02:03] <jrgifford> before i made use of my post install script
[02:04] <paultag> ah cool.
[02:29] <Unit193> In Ubuntu it is disabled by default.
[03:10] <jrgifford> Well, I've never seen ram usage that low before. :-)
[03:15] <jrgifford> under 500MB, most of which is iceweasel. this is pretty snappy.
[03:22] <paultag> :)
[15:30] <thafreak> jrgifford: no I don't have a link, I have a recruiter's email address
[15:30] <thafreak> some recruiters won't even give out details for fear you might go around them