[02:43] <wrst> Omnifrog: they want food just every so often don't they? :)
[02:44] <Omnifrog> I know but every day?
[02:44] <Omnifrog> unreasonable
[02:46] <wrst> yes and mutliple times during the day at that... all the nerve
[02:46] <Omnifrog> who do they think they are?
[02:47] <wrst> yeah they think you took them to raise or some crazy junk like that
[03:11] <Omnifrog> I should start backups before I crash
[03:11] <Omnifrog> that way i can mess with stuff tomorrow
[03:28] <Omnifrog> it's such a mess
[03:36] <Omnifrog> I'm actually having to diagram the drives out on paper in order to understand what I've done to make this mess
[04:04] <Omnifrog> backups are going to take all night
[04:04] <Omnifrog> goodnight geeks
[14:42] <bill_gill> good morning
[14:43] <wrst> morning bill_gill how are things going?
[14:43] <bill_gill> is anyone using skype with a bluetooth headset with success?
[14:43] <bill_gill> i'm doing well wrst
[14:44] <bill_gill> how about you?
[14:44] <wrst> doing well
[14:44] <wrst> skype, yes bluetooth headset now
[14:44] <wrst> *no
[14:44] <wrst> bill_gill: does the headset work with other things?
[14:44] <bill_gill> it did once on another install
[14:44] <wrst> if it does its probably as simple as going to the options in skype and selecting it as the default mic/speaker
[14:45] <bill_gill> now it connects but i can't direct in or out to it.
[14:45] <wrst> sorry I'm still old school, I use wires :)
[14:45] <bill_gill> there are no devices listed in the 'sound' window
[14:46] <wrst> bill_gill: sorry i'm not going to be much help there never used any bluetooth devices
[14:47] <bill_gill> no problem, i think the bigger issue is that there are no devices listed
[14:47] <wrst> but i'm sure someone will come through that has :)
[14:48] <bill_gill> sound output from my sound device on the mb is working. i can hear music from rhythmbox
[14:51] <wrst> if you have the headset active you should be able to hear music out your headset thought correct?
[14:53] <wrst> *though
[14:53]  * wrst needs bluetooth spell checker
[14:55] <bill_gill> i don't have a headset plugged in
[14:57] <bill_gill> even if I did, there are no devices in the sound window... no way to change in or out
[14:57] <bill_gill> that is the issue
[14:57] <bill_gill> getting devices to show in the "Play sound through" box.
[14:58] <bill_gill> it may be a permissions issue again
[14:58] <wrst> nah don't think that would be permissions
[14:59] <wrst> which ubuntu are you running again? 12.10?
[15:00] <bill_gill> yes
[15:02] <wrst> but your stock soundcard doesn't show up in the audio settings?
[15:02] <bill_gill> right
[15:03] <bill_gill> nothing is showing
[15:05] <wrst> hmm
[15:07] <bill_gill> sorry, chat closed
[15:07] <bill_gill> what was you last wrst?
[15:07] <wrst> bill_gill: so your sound settings even before bluetooth does not look like this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/audio.png
[15:07] <bill_gill> nope, blank
[15:08] <wrst> but you have sound that works?
[15:08] <bill_gill> yes
[15:08] <wrst> sounds like a pulse audio problem probably there
[15:09] <wrst> but I would imagine that needs to be fixed before you can expect to control your bluetooth device, but that's just an uneducated guess
[15:10] <wrst> bill_gill: i know many people install pavucontrol when they have pulse issues might be worth installing and see if your hardware shows up with it
[15:11] <bill_gill> i would agree. i think i caused the issue trying to get skype to use alsa instead of pulse
[15:11] <bill_gill> i did, it doesn't
[15:12] <wrst> ok so are you not using pulse?
[15:12] <wrst> for audio in general
[15:16] <bill_gill> well...
[15:16] <bill_gill> it was a good idea at the time. i have read that it is not good to remove pulse
[15:17] <bill_gill> i think i should get pulse up and running correctly again.
[15:20] <bill_gill> any thoughts on best way to rebuild pulse?
[15:21] <wrst> hmm let me check, and that's why that isn't showing up it requires pulse
[15:21] <wrst> i would think a sudo apt-get install pulseaudio would be a good place to start
[15:23] <bill_gill> i put autospawn=yes back in config file. now the sound window is looping
[15:25] <bill_gill> tried the install... got this
[15:25] <bill_gill> Reading package lists... Done
[15:25] <bill_gill> Building dependency tree
[15:25] <bill_gill> Reading state information... Done
[15:25] <bill_gill> pulseaudio is already the newest version.
[15:25] <bill_gill> pulseaudio set to manually installed.
[15:25] <bill_gill> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
[15:25] <bill_gill> why would it say 'set to manually installed'?
[15:27] <bill_gill> fixed
[15:27] <bill_gill> sound window is still looping.... establishing connection.... devices.... establishing connection.... devices....   ETC
[15:28] <bill_gill> hmmm, no cards available for configuration
[15:30] <bill_gill> going to restart... brb... thanks for your insight
[15:31] <wrst> may not thank me for insight after his computer goes up in flames :)
[15:35] <wrst> bill_gill: any luck?
[15:35] <bill_gill> yep
[15:35] <bill_gill> audio devices back
[15:35] <bill_gill> now it's back to the skype issue
[15:37] <bill_gill> bluetooth device not showing up in pulse... any thoughts?
[15:38] <wrst> have you looked at this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothHeadset
[15:39] <wrst> From Ubuntu 10.10 on it should be very simple:
[15:39] <wrst>     Go to System -> Preferences -> Bluetooth and pair the Bluetooth device
[15:39] <wrst>     Go to System -> Preferences -> Sound and select the Bluetooth device as your output device.
[15:39] <wrst> looks like that is the key ^^^
[15:40] <wrst> but last bluetooth i used was on a motorla razr phone many years ago :)
[15:42] <bill_gill> where is System?
[15:42] <bill_gill> system settings?
[15:43] <wrst> yes or just type bluetooth in the dash
[15:44] <wrst> or search or dash search or wahtever that searchy thing is called :)
[15:44] <bill_gill> its on, connected
[15:45] <bill_gill> Type=headset
[15:45] <bill_gill> what ver ubuntu are you on?
[15:45] <Omnifrog> morning folks
[15:46] <bill_gill> gm omnifrog
[15:46] <bill_gill> is anyone on ubuntu 12.10?
[15:47] <Omnifrog> I forget what this is on
[15:47] <wrst> i'm using 12.10 desktop, 12.10 server, debian server, arch desktop I have them all :)
[15:47] <wrst> oh a debian desktop
[15:47] <wrst> bill_gill: is it working?
[15:47] <wrst> and morning Omnifrog
[15:47] <bill_gill> no
[15:48] <bill_gill> there seems to be two sound controls... pulseaudio and a default sound
[15:49] <wrst> well you shouldn't need to mess with any of that i think you should be able to take care of it in teh skype options
[15:49] <bill_gill> pulseaudiocontrol and sound (in system settings)
[15:49] <wrst> *the
[15:49] <wrst> you may not even need PAVcontrol thing now
[15:50] <wrst> but I think since you are connected you should probably move to skye and set up your headset as the mic and speaker
[15:50] <bill_gill> can you change your skype sound options from pulseaudio?
[15:50] <wrst> I don't know but you need to change them in the app itself
[15:50] <bill_gill> can't... that is the problem
[15:50] <wrst> skype does not operate as most things
[15:51] <wrst> what are your options in skype?
[15:51] <bill_gill> that caused the pulse vs alsa problem
[15:51] <bill_gill> pulseaudio in skyp... can't change it as long as pulse is running
[15:52] <wrst> that shouldn't be a problem you should be able to select your headset I thought but if thats the case just change the default input/output to your headset
[15:52] <wrst> you will probably need to uninstall the pavcontrol so you don't have two things competing for control of pulse
[15:52] <wrst> and restart pulse or reboot
[15:53] <wrst> then just leave skype using pulse, but I suspect there should be more options
[15:54] <bill_gill> i suspect there should be also... there isn't on my setup... are you using skype? can you check yours?
[15:55] <bill_gill> restarting... now skype is locked up... not allowing me to see the options
[15:55] <wrst> just a sec having to remote in but there are different options and I use nothing but the laptops sound/mic
[15:55] <wrst> ugh... this should not be this difficult
[16:03] <bill_gill> ugh
[16:04] <wrst> well bill_gill i have the same issue as you now :)
[16:04] <wrst> evidently the update to skype broke something :)
[16:04] <bill_gill> which issue... i have several now :(
[16:05] <wrst> well can't select the input in skype looks like it is handing that off to pulse now
[16:05] <bill_gill> pulseaudio seems to be looking correct however, the front sound ports are not showing and the 'test sound' doesn't make sound but rhythmbox does
[16:05] <bill_gill> yes, that is the issue
[16:06] <bill_gill> i was trying some workarounds published when i screwed the build
[16:06] <bill_gill> one of the suggestions was to go back to ALSA... bad idea
[16:06] <wrst> yes I don't think that is a good idea at all, pulse is pretty well here to stay
[16:07] <bill_gill> darn, should have come to you first... :)
[16:07] <bill_gill> put here i am...
[16:07] <bill_gill> butt here i amm
[16:12] <bill_gill> i think the problem is how pulse sees the soundcard and other sound devices
[16:13] <bill_gill> start pulseaudio control and then do a test call. Skype shows up and you can change devices.
[16:13] <bill_gill> give it a try... my install won't let me change the sound device
[16:14] <wrst> will have to give taht a go when i get home actually
[16:14] <wrst> but I would try to undo all the stuff you did with pulse if possible
[16:14] <wrst> its actually a dependency now in gnome and I think kde so it really should work
[16:14] <bill_gill> i believe i did
[16:15] <wrst> not for sure if you are around tonight probably late as I have to paint when i get home I can try to help out, get my hands on my machine
[16:15] <bill_gill> thats great... i will be here
[16:16] <wrst> skype is just a general pain in the rear
[16:16] <bill_gill> i think its a pulseaudio issue
[16:17] <bill_gill> fix pulse and fix skype
[16:17] <bill_gill> i think pulse needs multiple profiles ... mine is only showing 1
[16:17] <bill_gill> and my mike won't turn off.
[16:30] <bill_gill> how is your audio.conf edit skills?
[16:32] <wrst> never needed to even in arch
[16:46] <bill_gill> how about the pulse conf?
[16:47] <wrst> never had to mess with it either
[16:47] <wrst> pretty much the desktop I would think should take care of everything unless you have a specific hardware case and you may
[16:51] <wrst> hello chris4585
[16:53] <chris4585> hi