| * smartboyhw is unhappy that he will be filing dozens of FFes.... | 11:33 | |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I thought Rick Spencer gave up getting 13.04 rolling | 11:41 |
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| smartboyhw | Part of the straw man proposal was to convert 13.04 into a Rolling | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | Release in order to allow us to go faster on the converged OS starting | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | immediately. Given the work that is left to achieve a proper proposal | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | for the tech board, I don't foresee such a proposal being completed in | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | time to make such a radical change to 13.04. | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | Cheers, Rick | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | ................................ | 11:41 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: I'm not making any assumptions about that. | 11:45 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, eh? | 11:45 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: What do mean, filing FFes? | 11:46 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, anyway it turns out i only need one FFes:P | 11:46 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, BTW: now that you've managed to get everything working on wiki, I think for 13.10 we should start working on offline docs | 13:42 |
| smartboyhw | And hey scott-work | 13:42 |
| scott-work | good morning smartboyhw , everyone | 13:43 |
| scott-work | i like off-line docs | 13:43 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, :) | 13:44 |
| scott-work | i have been thinking about that for a while now, not all docs mind you, just some important ones perhaps | 13:44 |
| scott-work | but we'd need a new package, which isn't a big deal | 13:44 |
| scott-work | but we could also include release notes in that package if we so chose | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, OK:) | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, zequence sent otu a call for artworks:) | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | And here's our current status: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-flavor-ubuntustudio.html | 13:45 |
| scott-work | hmmm, we are not bad off actually. much better than i expected | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, because we marked most of them as BLOCKED:P | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 13:47 |
| scott-work | oh, LOL | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, :P | 13:47 |
| scott-work | and a lot as postponed as well, i see | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, yes | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | s/BLOCKED/POSTPONED/ actually | 13:48 |
| kubotu | smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 13:48 |
| zequence | scott-work: What do you think of my attempt at some sort of unified theme for Ubuntu Studio? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/CarbonTheme | 14:05 |
| zequence | The background is too dark. I'm going to fix that | 14:05 |
| zequence | Learning as I do. Using inkscape a bit more now | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, makes me think of the movie Troy.... | 14:06 |
| zequence | Not a bad thing, I suppose | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | Probably at the same time change the plymouth theme too (possible?) | 14:06 |
| * smartboyhw wonders how could zequence actually being able to do SO many things. | 14:06 | |
| zequence | The plymoth theme is really nice. I wouldn't want to change anything but the wallpaper until we're really sure about it | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, OK | 14:07 |
| zequence | while I'm doing this, I want to lay out a structure for how we work with artwor | 14:07 |
| zequence | artwork* | 14:07 |
| zequence | for each release, we'll see if we can do something new. and at least for LTS, we do a new makeover of everything | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, nice one | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, but will we have 13.10 ? | 14:08 |
| zequence | Doesn't need to be a total rework. Just a fresh-up | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | 13.04 is now basically un-deleted (even Rick Spencer says that) | 14:08 |
| zequence | I'm wondering why there hasn't been a feature freeze announcement though, so I guess they are still talking. | 14:09 |
| zequence | If there's no 13.10, we'll make custom releases now and then | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, BTW I think ~ubuntustudio-release still hasn't been added in ISO QA Tracker. And also, I saw the annoucement:P | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, that's the plan | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, you did subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list do you? | 14:10 |
| zequence | hmm, perhaps I'm not | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-March/001021.html | 14:12 |
| zequence | Usually there's an announcement on ubuntu-release | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm it didn't this time | 14:12 |
| zequence | The problem with my dark background has a lot to do with me doing those in the evening | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, uh | 14:13 |
| zequence | Graphic artists would be aware of those things from experience | 14:14 |
| zequence | The contrast is too low. There should be more light with the dark | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, will Dick Macinnis still do artwork for us? | 14:14 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: he might. i haven't contacted him though. he seems pretty busy with dream studio, talking about rewriting stuff like sound-applet for control jack, etc | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, yep | 14:19 |
| scott-work | zequence: i really like the second image | 14:19 |
| zequence | scott-work: The second is more of a cover for social sites, etc. And more of an example at that too. | 14:20 |
| zequence | scott-work: You'll need to look close to see the details, since it's really too dark | 14:20 |
| scott-work | zequence: one thing i would suggest for the first image, if it is to be used for a desktop wallpaper, is to make the CoF lighter or faded so that it does draw the eye too much, become too much of a focus, and dominate the desktop | 14:20 |
| scott-work | but that is just my personal opinions, doesn't make anyone right or wrong | 14:21 |
| zequence | scott-work: I'm also considering the web theme we have. There's a slight correlation between that and Ubuntu artwork. I'm thinking about looking at using the background of our website to do something too | 14:21 |
| zequence | scott-work: CoF? | 14:21 |
| scott-work | Circle of Friends (or in our case, Circle of Sound Waves) | 14:22 |
| zequence | I don't think the website background patter is good for a desktop wallpaper as is, so it would need to be redone. Just thinking about patterns, and how they could be used | 14:22 |
| zequence | scott-work: Aha :) | 14:22 |
| zequence | One could also have the same pattern have different materials, so while the website is glowing like lights, a desktop wallpaper could be carbon, etc | 14:23 |
| zequence | Also, that would make it easier to keep a distinct Ubuntu Studio look for the future, being able to quite easily refresh it without too much work | 14:24 |
| zequence | One thing about the pattern in the website background is that the dots are really small | 14:26 |
| zequence | I'd like them to be bigger | 14:26 |
| zequence | But, maybe that wouldn't work.. I don't know | 14:27 |
| zequence | At least I'll have a wallpaper ready this weekend | 14:27 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, but then do we want to implement it for 13.04 or? | 14:28 |
| zequence | After 13.04, I'd want us to develop some kind of unified theme | 14:28 |
| zequence | We need a new wallpaper for 13.04 | 14:28 |
| zequence | Which one isn't imporant to me, as long as it's a nice one | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, well maybe we can ship multiple wallpapers (like Lubuntu) and let them choose.... | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, XD Ralf called your wallpaper Sexist (LOL) | 14:30 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: We usually do ship multiple. Perhaps not for a while now. we just need to get together more than one wallpaper | 14:44 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, :) | 15:09 |
| scott-work | zequence: that's an interesting concept: keep the base the same but adjust the hue depending on usage location | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, we are having problems into getting newest version of blender in. | 15:44 |
| scott-work | (or saturation) | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | powerpc build is always the one breaking things | 15:44 |
| scott-work | my personal preferences for a desktop (and by extension the wallpaper) is not a fancy, blingy thing. it should muted, perhaps dark-ish but not dark, and should not distract or draw attention | 15:47 |
| * smartboyhw says good night | 15:47 | |
| scott-work | good night smartboyhw | 15:47 |
| zequence | scott-work: Those are things I agree on too. It should be practical, yet give the feeling of completeness | 15:49 |
| scott-work | zequence: right! | 15:50 |
| zequence | Well, not "yet" | 15:50 |
| scott-work | my vision upon a time was to make a wallpaper that looks "stonish" (i.e. the a fine stone pattern, one piece almost indistinguishable from the other almost to the point of being uniform gray) with the ubuntu studio CoF on the lower right corner looking like a chiseled relief | 15:51 |
| scott-work | the CoF would look slightly worn as if by time | 15:52 |
| scott-work | the over all tenor would be one of lasting or sustainable stength, something enduring all weathers | 15:52 |
| zequence | That would not work together with the idea of a pattern, but it sounds like something that would look really great on a wallpaper, yes | 15:55 |
| zequence | There are many things that you can draw from just being inspired by anyone of our workflows, but I'm finding it hard to find something that represents them all | 15:55 |
| zequence | patterns are great in that way, cause they don't need to symbolize anything. | 15:56 |
| zequence | Well, a stonish pattern would also be a pattern | 15:56 |
| zequence | You could make a wallpaper that looked like a 2x12 speaker, and it would be dark, and simplistic, but would also mainly represent the audio workflow | 15:58 |
| zequence | It would even include patterns | 15:58 |
| zequence | Would make a lot of sense to have many new wallpapers for each release | 15:59 |
| zequence | Not just for variation, but to showcase graphical art done on Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio | 15:59 |
| zequence | Actually, why not showcase stuff that people did in all our workflows on our website? One would need to find people who used Ubuntu Studio to do their work. | 16:00 |
| zequence | Well, not a prio anyway.. | 16:01 |
| scott-work | zequence: i had thought about featuring ubuntu studio artist on the website before, but not focusing on the work flows | 16:24 |
| scott-work | that _would_ be a great validation though :) | 16:24 |
| zequence | scott-work: have you seent this? https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio?sk=page_insights | 16:45 |
| zequence | Really makes you think about the value of PR | 16:46 |
| scott-work | i'll have to look at it on my phone, just a moment | 16:48 |
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| scott-work | you mean reaching the 2930 people? yeah, that is pretty crazy | 16:52 |
| scott-work | in 7 days no less | 16:53 |
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| * micahg sees the crazy has spilled over to the studio dev list... | 20:52 | |
| zequence | scott-work: I think it might be good for us to opt in for the Beta1. We won't loose anything by doing it anyway. Would you care to answer the post "Opt-in beta 1 next week" on ubuntu-release? | 22:12 |
| scott-work | sure, i can do that | 22:12 |
| scott-work | done and done | 22:13 |
| zequence | Thanks | 22:13 |
| zequence | I should probably contact ubuntuone people again. Been about two months since I bought some music there, and still no delivery | 22:33 |
| zequence | Wonder why our ISO failed to build over something that all distros have, and seemingly only ours failed? | 22:45 |
| micahg | zequence: hopefully with the recent uploads it'll work tomorrow, if not, feel free to poke, I'll take a look sat night if no one beats me to it | 22:47 |
| zequence | micahg: Thanks. | 22:59 |
| len_1304 | zequence, look at the lmms stuff | 23:05 |
| len_1304 | It seems the new one depends on an older lmms-common. | 23:05 |
| len_1304 | lmms : Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.13-0ubuntu1) but 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 is installed | 23:06 |
| zequence | len_1304: Ok. I only read the bottom. | 23:08 |
| zequence | That looks more like US specific in deed | 23:08 |
| len_1304 | It is an LMMS bug | 23:09 |
| len_1304 | IDK if it is bad in debian as well or just ubuntu | 23:10 |
| zequence | len_1304: lmms was just updated to a newer version. I'd blame Ubuntu first | 23:13 |
| zequence | But, who knows. I should check the source | 23:14 |
| len_1304 | It should be a package problem, not source. It would be in the deb control file. | 23:15 |
| zequence | The package is source too | 23:15 |
| len_1304 | Either on the debian site or ours | 23:15 |
| zequence | And was what I was referring to | 23:16 |
| len_1304 | OK | 23:16 |
| zequence | There's one patch added by Ubuntu AFAIK | 23:16 |
| zequence | len_1304: hmm, I thought you were talking about the ISO build | 23:21 |
| zequence | What was the problem you were having with lmms? | 23:22 |
| len_1304 | Wouldn't bad depends effect that? | 23:22 |
| zequence | It didn't get to that point | 23:22 |
| zequence | It's in the build log | 23:22 |
| zequence | Has to do with print stuff that all the flavors have | 23:22 |
| len_1304 | Ok, I am going to bug the lmms thing anyway. | 23:23 |
| zequence | upgrading did have a problem, yes | 23:24 |
| len_1304 | Bug #1152807 | 23:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1152807 in lmms (Ubuntu) "lmms packge asks for older lmms-common, but new lmms-common is installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152807 | 23:31 |
| zequence | len_1304: I didn't have that problem myself. It complained over the newer version wanting to overwrite the desktop file | 23:33 |
| zequence | apt-get install -f fixed it | 23:33 |
| len_1304 | Yes, but depends is still worng | 23:33 |
| zequence | len_1304: Not here. It looks fine for me | 23:34 |
| zequence | I'm on amd64 if that makes a difference.. | 23:34 |
| zequence | Version: 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 | 23:35 |
| zequence | Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.14-0ubuntu2) | 23:35 |
| len_1304 | Shouldn't its not a wine thing. after using -f it installed for me. | 23:35 |
| len_1304 | Maybe it has been fixed in between when it failed and I used -f | 23:36 |
| zequence | Well, I didn't have the problem with versions | 23:36 |
| len_1304 | Yes it has. your version is ubuntu2, the one that failed was 1 | 23:36 |
| zequence | Ah, right. It must have been uploaded shortly after then | 23:37 |
| zequence | er, no | 23:37 |
| zequence | You're talking about 0.4.13 | 23:37 |
| len_1304 | 14 was looking for 13 instead of 14. | 23:38 |
| zequence | Well, as I said, I didn't get any dependency problems | 23:39 |
| zequence | There was a 0.4.14-0ubuntu1, where 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 only added a patch | 23:40 |
| zequence | Don't think the former was ever released though | 23:42 |
| zequence | Was updated before it could | 23:42 |
| len_1304 | They are a day apart, but I don't know. | 23:44 |
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