[11:33] * smartboyhw is unhappy that he will be filing dozens of FFes.... [11:41] zequence, I thought Rick Spencer gave up getting 13.04 rolling [11:41] Part of the straw man proposal was to convert 13.04 into a Rolling [11:41] Release in order to allow us to go faster on the converged OS starting [11:41] immediately. Given the work that is left to achieve a proper proposal [11:41] for the tech board, I don't foresee such a proposal being completed in [11:41] time to make such a radical change to 13.04. [11:41] Cheers, Rick [11:41] ................................ [11:45] smartboyhw: I'm not making any assumptions about that. [11:45] zequence, eh? [11:46] smartboyhw: What do mean, filing FFes? [11:46] zequence, anyway it turns out i only need one FFes:P [13:42] zequence, BTW: now that you've managed to get everything working on wiki, I think for 13.10 we should start working on offline docs [13:42] And hey scott-work [13:43] good morning smartboyhw , everyone [13:43] i like off-line docs [13:44] scott-work, :) [13:44] i have been thinking about that for a while now, not all docs mind you, just some important ones perhaps [13:44] but we'd need a new package, which isn't a big deal [13:44] but we could also include release notes in that package if we so chose [13:44] scott-work, OK:) [13:45] scott-work, zequence sent otu a call for artworks:) [13:45] And here's our current status: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-flavor-ubuntustudio.html [13:46] hmmm, we are not bad off actually. much better than i expected [13:46] scott-work, because we marked most of them as BLOCKED:P [13:47] LOL [13:47] oh, LOL [13:47] scott-work, :P [13:47] and a lot as postponed as well, i see [13:48] scott-work, yes [13:48] s/BLOCKED/POSTPONED/ actually [13:48] smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [13:48] LOL [14:05] scott-work: What do you think of my attempt at some sort of unified theme for Ubuntu Studio? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/CarbonTheme [14:05] The background is too dark. I'm going to fix that [14:06] Learning as I do. Using inkscape a bit more now [14:06] zequence, makes me think of the movie Troy.... [14:06] Not a bad thing, I suppose [14:06] Probably at the same time change the plymouth theme too (possible?) [14:06] * smartboyhw wonders how could zequence actually being able to do SO many things. [14:07] The plymoth theme is really nice. I wouldn't want to change anything but the wallpaper until we're really sure about it [14:07] zequence, OK [14:07] while I'm doing this, I want to lay out a structure for how we work with artwor [14:07] artwork* [14:08] for each release, we'll see if we can do something new. and at least for LTS, we do a new makeover of everything [14:08] zequence, nice one [14:08] zequence, but will we have 13.10 ? [14:08] Doesn't need to be a total rework. Just a fresh-up [14:08] 13.04 is now basically un-deleted (even Rick Spencer says that) [14:09] I'm wondering why there hasn't been a feature freeze announcement though, so I guess they are still talking. [14:10] If there's no 13.10, we'll make custom releases now and then [14:10] zequence, BTW I think ~ubuntustudio-release still hasn't been added in ISO QA Tracker. And also, I saw the annoucement:P [14:10] zequence, that's the plan [14:10] zequence, you did subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list do you? [14:11] hmm, perhaps I'm not [14:12] zequence, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-March/001021.html [14:12] Usually there's an announcement on ubuntu-release [14:12] Hmm it didn't this time [14:13] The problem with my dark background has a lot to do with me doing those in the evening [14:13] zequence, uh [14:14] Graphic artists would be aware of those things from experience [14:14] The contrast is too low. There should be more light with the dark [14:14] scott-work, will Dick Macinnis still do artwork for us? [14:18] smartboyhw: he might. i haven't contacted him though. he seems pretty busy with dream studio, talking about rewriting stuff like sound-applet for control jack, etc [14:19] scott-work, yep [14:19] zequence: i really like the second image [14:20] scott-work: The second is more of a cover for social sites, etc. And more of an example at that too. [14:20] scott-work: You'll need to look close to see the details, since it's really too dark [14:20] zequence: one thing i would suggest for the first image, if it is to be used for a desktop wallpaper, is to make the CoF lighter or faded so that it does draw the eye too much, become too much of a focus, and dominate the desktop [14:21] but that is just my personal opinions, doesn't make anyone right or wrong [14:21] scott-work: I'm also considering the web theme we have. There's a slight correlation between that and Ubuntu artwork. I'm thinking about looking at using the background of our website to do something too [14:21] scott-work: CoF? [14:22] Circle of Friends (or in our case, Circle of Sound Waves) [14:22] I don't think the website background patter is good for a desktop wallpaper as is, so it would need to be redone. Just thinking about patterns, and how they could be used [14:22] scott-work: Aha :) [14:23] One could also have the same pattern have different materials, so while the website is glowing like lights, a desktop wallpaper could be carbon, etc [14:24] Also, that would make it easier to keep a distinct Ubuntu Studio look for the future, being able to quite easily refresh it without too much work [14:26] One thing about the pattern in the website background is that the dots are really small [14:26] I'd like them to be bigger [14:27] But, maybe that wouldn't work.. I don't know [14:27] At least I'll have a wallpaper ready this weekend [14:28] zequence, but then do we want to implement it for 13.04 or? [14:28] After 13.04, I'd want us to develop some kind of unified theme [14:28] We need a new wallpaper for 13.04 [14:28] Which one isn't imporant to me, as long as it's a nice one [14:30] zequence, well maybe we can ship multiple wallpapers (like Lubuntu) and let them choose.... [14:30] zequence, XD Ralf called your wallpaper Sexist (LOL) [14:44] smartboyhw: We usually do ship multiple. Perhaps not for a while now. we just need to get together more than one wallpaper [15:09] zequence, :) [15:44] zequence: that's an interesting concept: keep the base the same but adjust the hue depending on usage location [15:44] zequence, we are having problems into getting newest version of blender in. [15:44] (or saturation) [15:44] powerpc build is always the one breaking things [15:47] my personal preferences for a desktop (and by extension the wallpaper) is not a fancy, blingy thing. it should muted, perhaps dark-ish but not dark, and should not distract or draw attention [15:47] * smartboyhw says good night [15:47] good night smartboyhw [15:49] scott-work: Those are things I agree on too. It should be practical, yet give the feeling of completeness [15:50] zequence: right! [15:50] Well, not "yet" [15:51] my vision upon a time was to make a wallpaper that looks "stonish" (i.e. the a fine stone pattern, one piece almost indistinguishable from the other almost to the point of being uniform gray) with the ubuntu studio CoF on the lower right corner looking like a chiseled relief [15:52] the CoF would look slightly worn as if by time [15:52] the over all tenor would be one of lasting or sustainable stength, something enduring all weathers [15:55] That would not work together with the idea of a pattern, but it sounds like something that would look really great on a wallpaper, yes [15:55] There are many things that you can draw from just being inspired by anyone of our workflows, but I'm finding it hard to find something that represents them all [15:56] patterns are great in that way, cause they don't need to symbolize anything. [15:56] Well, a stonish pattern would also be a pattern [15:58] You could make a wallpaper that looked like a 2x12 speaker, and it would be dark, and simplistic, but would also mainly represent the audio workflow [15:58] It would even include patterns [15:59] Would make a lot of sense to have many new wallpapers for each release [15:59] Not just for variation, but to showcase graphical art done on Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio [16:00] Actually, why not showcase stuff that people did in all our workflows on our website? One would need to find people who used Ubuntu Studio to do their work. [16:01] Well, not a prio anyway.. [16:24] zequence: i had thought about featuring ubuntu studio artist on the website before, but not focusing on the work flows [16:24] that _would_ be a great validation though :) [16:45] scott-work: have you seent this? https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio?sk=page_insights [16:46] Really makes you think about the value of PR [16:48] i'll have to look at it on my phone, just a moment === jta is now known as jta_afk [16:52] you mean reaching the 2930 people? yeah, that is pretty crazy [16:53] in 7 days no less === jta_ is now known as jta === jta is now known as JTa [20:52] * micahg sees the crazy has spilled over to the studio dev list... [22:12] scott-work: I think it might be good for us to opt in for the Beta1. We won't loose anything by doing it anyway. Would you care to answer the post "Opt-in beta 1 next week" on ubuntu-release? [22:12] sure, i can do that [22:13] done and done [22:13] Thanks [22:33] I should probably contact ubuntuone people again. Been about two months since I bought some music there, and still no delivery [22:45] Wonder why our ISO failed to build over something that all distros have, and seemingly only ours failed? [22:47] zequence: hopefully with the recent uploads it'll work tomorrow, if not, feel free to poke, I'll take a look sat night if no one beats me to it [22:59] micahg: Thanks. [23:05] zequence, look at the lmms stuff [23:05] It seems the new one depends on an older lmms-common. [23:06] lmms : Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.13-0ubuntu1) but 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 is installed [23:08] len_1304: Ok. I only read the bottom. [23:08] That looks more like US specific in deed [23:09] It is an LMMS bug [23:10] IDK if it is bad in debian as well or just ubuntu [23:13] len_1304: lmms was just updated to a newer version. I'd blame Ubuntu first [23:14] But, who knows. I should check the source [23:15] It should be a package problem, not source. It would be in the deb control file. [23:15] The package is source too [23:15] Either on the debian site or ours [23:16] And was what I was referring to [23:16] OK [23:16] There's one patch added by Ubuntu AFAIK [23:21] len_1304: hmm, I thought you were talking about the ISO build [23:22] What was the problem you were having with lmms? [23:22] Wouldn't bad depends effect that? [23:22] It didn't get to that point [23:22] It's in the build log [23:22] Has to do with print stuff that all the flavors have [23:23] Ok, I am going to bug the lmms thing anyway. [23:24] upgrading did have a problem, yes [23:31] Bug #1152807 [23:31] bug 1152807 in lmms (Ubuntu) "lmms packge asks for older lmms-common, but new lmms-common is installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152807 [23:33] len_1304: I didn't have that problem myself. It complained over the newer version wanting to overwrite the desktop file [23:33] apt-get install -f fixed it [23:33] Yes, but depends is still worng [23:34] len_1304: Not here. It looks fine for me [23:34] I'm on amd64 if that makes a difference.. [23:35] Version: 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 [23:35] Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.14-0ubuntu2) [23:35] Shouldn't its not a wine thing. after using -f it installed for me. [23:36] Maybe it has been fixed in between when it failed and I used -f [23:36] Well, I didn't have the problem with versions [23:36] Yes it has. your version is ubuntu2, the one that failed was 1 [23:37] Ah, right. It must have been uploaded shortly after then [23:37] er, no [23:37] You're talking about 0.4.13 [23:38] 14 was looking for 13 instead of 14. [23:39] Well, as I said, I didn't get any dependency problems [23:40] There was a 0.4.14-0ubuntu1, where 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 only added a patch [23:42] Don't think the former was ever released though [23:42] Was updated before it could [23:44] They are a day apart, but I don't know.