[11:33]  * smartboyhw is unhappy that he will be filing dozens of FFes....
[11:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, I thought Rick Spencer gave up getting 13.04 rolling
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Part of the straw man proposal was to convert 13.04 into a Rolling
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Release in order to allow us to go faster on the converged OS starting
[11:41] <smartboyhw> immediately. Given the work that is left to achieve a proper proposal
[11:41] <smartboyhw> for the tech board, I don't foresee such a proposal being completed in
[11:41] <smartboyhw> time to make such a radical change to 13.04.
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Cheers, Rick
[11:41] <smartboyhw> ................................
[11:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm not making any assumptions about that. 
[11:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, eh?
[11:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: What do mean, filing FFes?
[11:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, anyway it turns out i only need one FFes:P
[13:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW: now that you've managed to get everything working on wiki, I think for 13.10 we should start working on offline docs
[13:42] <smartboyhw> And hey scott-work 
[13:43] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw , everyone
[13:43] <scott-work> i like off-line docs
[13:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :)
[13:44] <scott-work> i have been thinking about that for a while now, not all docs mind you, just some important ones perhaps
[13:44] <scott-work> but we'd need a new package, which isn't a big deal
[13:44] <scott-work> but we could also include release notes in that package if we so chose
[13:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK:)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence sent otu a call for artworks:)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> And here's our current status: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-flavor-ubuntustudio.html
[13:46] <scott-work> hmmm, we are not bad off actually. much better than i expected
[13:46] <smartboyhw> scott-work, because we marked most of them as BLOCKED:P
[13:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:47] <scott-work> oh, LOL
[13:47] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :P
[13:47] <scott-work> and a lot as postponed as well, i see
[13:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yes
[13:48] <smartboyhw> s/BLOCKED/POSTPONED/ actually
[13:48] <kubotu> smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:48] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:05] <zequence> scott-work: What do you think of my attempt at some sort of unified theme for Ubuntu Studio? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/CarbonTheme
[14:05] <zequence> The background is too dark. I'm going to fix that
[14:06] <zequence> Learning as I do. Using inkscape a bit more now
[14:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, makes me think of the movie Troy....
[14:06] <zequence> Not a bad thing, I suppose
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Probably at the same time change the plymouth theme too (possible?)
[14:06]  * smartboyhw wonders how could zequence actually being able to do SO many things.
[14:07] <zequence> The plymoth theme is really nice. I wouldn't want to change anything but the wallpaper until we're really sure about it
[14:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:07] <zequence> while I'm doing this, I want to lay out a structure for how we work with artwor
[14:07] <zequence> artwork*
[14:08] <zequence> for each release, we'll see if we can do something new. and at least for LTS, we do a new makeover of everything
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, nice one
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, but will we have 13.10 ?
[14:08] <zequence> Doesn't need to be a total rework. Just a fresh-up
[14:08] <smartboyhw> 13.04 is now basically un-deleted (even Rick Spencer says that)
[14:09] <zequence> I'm wondering why there hasn't been a feature freeze announcement though, so I guess they are still talking. 
[14:10] <zequence> If there's no 13.10, we'll make custom releases now and then
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW I think ~ubuntustudio-release still hasn't been added in ISO QA Tracker. And also, I saw the annoucement:P
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, that's the plan
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, you did subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list do you?
[14:11] <zequence> hmm, perhaps I'm not
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-March/001021.html
[14:12] <zequence> Usually there's an announcement on ubuntu-release
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Hmm it didn't this time
[14:13] <zequence> The problem with my dark background has a lot to do with me doing those in the evening
[14:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh
[14:14] <zequence> Graphic artists would be aware of those things from experience
[14:14] <zequence> The contrast is too low. There should be more light with the dark
[14:14] <smartboyhw> scott-work, will Dick Macinnis still do artwork for us?
[14:18] <scott-work> smartboyhw: he might. i haven't contacted him though. he seems pretty busy with dream studio, talking about rewriting stuff like sound-applet for control jack, etc
[14:19] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yep
[14:19] <scott-work> zequence: i really like the second image
[14:20] <zequence> scott-work: The second is more of a cover for social sites, etc. And more of an example at that too.
[14:20] <zequence> scott-work: You'll need to look close to see the details, since it's really too dark
[14:20] <scott-work> zequence: one thing i would suggest for the first image, if it is to be used for a desktop wallpaper, is to make the CoF lighter or faded so that it does draw the eye too much, become too much of a focus, and dominate the desktop
[14:21] <scott-work> but that is just my personal opinions, doesn't make anyone right or wrong
[14:21] <zequence> scott-work: I'm also considering the web theme we have. There's a slight correlation between that and Ubuntu artwork. I'm thinking about looking at using the background of our website to do something too
[14:21] <zequence> scott-work: CoF?
[14:22] <scott-work> Circle of Friends (or in our case, Circle of Sound Waves)
[14:22] <zequence> I don't think the website background patter is good for a desktop wallpaper as is, so it would need to be redone. Just thinking about patterns, and how they could be used
[14:22] <zequence> scott-work: Aha :)
[14:23] <zequence> One could also have the same pattern have different materials, so while the website is glowing like lights, a desktop wallpaper could be carbon, etc
[14:24] <zequence> Also, that would make it easier to keep a distinct Ubuntu Studio look for the future, being able to quite easily refresh it without too much work
[14:26] <zequence> One thing about the pattern in the website background is that the dots are really small
[14:26] <zequence> I'd like them to be bigger
[14:27] <zequence> But, maybe that wouldn't work.. I don't know
[14:27] <zequence> At least I'll have a wallpaper ready this weekend
[14:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, but then do we want to implement it for 13.04 or?
[14:28] <zequence> After 13.04, I'd want us to develop some kind of unified theme
[14:28] <zequence> We need a new wallpaper for 13.04
[14:28] <zequence> Which one isn't imporant to me, as long as it's a nice one
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, well maybe we can ship multiple wallpapers (like Lubuntu) and let them choose....
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, XD Ralf called your wallpaper Sexist (LOL)
[14:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: We usually do ship multiple. Perhaps not for a while now. we just need to get together more than one wallpaper
[15:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[15:44] <scott-work> zequence: that's an interesting concept: keep the base the same but adjust the hue depending on usage location
[15:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, we are having problems into getting newest version of blender in.
[15:44] <scott-work> (or saturation)
[15:44] <smartboyhw> powerpc build is always the one  breaking things
[15:47] <scott-work> my personal preferences for a desktop (and by extension the wallpaper) is not a fancy, blingy thing. it should muted, perhaps dark-ish but not dark, and should not distract or draw attention
[15:47]  * smartboyhw says good night
[15:47] <scott-work> good night smartboyhw 
[15:49] <zequence> scott-work: Those are things I agree on too. It should be practical, yet give the feeling of completeness
[15:50] <scott-work> zequence: right!
[15:50] <zequence> Well, not "yet"
[15:51] <scott-work> my vision upon a time was to make a wallpaper that looks "stonish" (i.e. the a fine stone pattern, one piece almost indistinguishable from the other almost to the point of being uniform gray) with the ubuntu studio CoF on the lower right corner looking like a chiseled relief
[15:52] <scott-work> the CoF would look slightly worn as if by time
[15:52] <scott-work> the over all tenor would be one of lasting or sustainable stength, something enduring all weathers
[15:55] <zequence> That would not work together with the idea of a pattern, but it sounds like something that would look really great on a wallpaper, yes
[15:55] <zequence> There are many things that you can draw from just being inspired by anyone of our workflows, but I'm finding it hard to find something that represents them all
[15:56] <zequence> patterns are great in that way, cause they don't need to symbolize anything. 
[15:56] <zequence> Well, a stonish pattern would also be a pattern
[15:58] <zequence> You could make a wallpaper that looked like a 2x12 speaker, and it would be dark, and simplistic, but would also mainly represent the audio workflow
[15:58] <zequence> It would even include patterns
[15:59] <zequence> Would make a lot of sense to have many new wallpapers for each release
[15:59] <zequence> Not just for variation, but to showcase graphical art done on Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio
[16:00] <zequence> Actually, why not showcase stuff that people did in all our workflows on our website? One would need to find people who used Ubuntu Studio to do their work.
[16:01] <zequence> Well, not a prio anyway..
[16:24] <scott-work> zequence: i had thought about featuring ubuntu studio artist on the website before, but not focusing on the work flows
[16:24] <scott-work> that _would_ be a great validation though :)
[16:45] <zequence> scott-work: have you seent this? https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio?sk=page_insights
[16:46] <zequence> Really makes you think about the value of PR
[16:48] <scott-work> i'll have to look at it on my phone, just a moment
[16:52] <scott-work> you mean reaching the 2930 people?  yeah, that is pretty crazy
[16:53] <scott-work> in 7 days no less
[20:52]  * micahg sees the crazy has spilled over to the studio dev list...
[22:12] <zequence> scott-work: I think it might be good for us to opt in for the Beta1. We won't loose anything by doing it anyway. Would you care to answer the post "Opt-in beta 1 next week" on ubuntu-release?
[22:12] <scott-work> sure, i can do that
[22:13] <scott-work> done and done
[22:13] <zequence> Thanks
[22:33] <zequence> I should probably contact ubuntuone people again. Been about two months since I bought some music there, and still no delivery
[22:45] <zequence> Wonder why our ISO failed to build over something that all distros have, and seemingly only ours failed?
[22:47] <micahg> zequence: hopefully with the recent uploads it'll work tomorrow, if not, feel free to poke, I'll take a look sat night if no one beats me to it
[22:59] <zequence> micahg: Thanks.
[23:05] <len_1304> zequence, look at the lmms stuff
[23:05] <len_1304> It seems the new one depends on an older lmms-common.
[23:06] <len_1304> lmms : Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.13-0ubuntu1) but 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 is installed
[23:08] <zequence> len_1304: Ok. I only read the bottom.
[23:08] <zequence> That looks more like US specific in deed
[23:09] <len_1304> It is an LMMS bug
[23:10] <len_1304> IDK if it is bad in debian as well or just ubuntu
[23:13] <zequence> len_1304: lmms was just updated to a newer version. I'd blame Ubuntu first
[23:14] <zequence> But, who knows. I should check the source
[23:15] <len_1304> It should be a package problem, not source. It would be in the deb control file.
[23:15] <zequence> The package is source too
[23:15] <len_1304> Either on the debian site or ours
[23:16] <zequence> And was what I was referring to
[23:16] <len_1304> OK
[23:16] <zequence> There's one patch added by Ubuntu AFAIK
[23:21] <zequence> len_1304: hmm, I thought you were talking about the ISO build
[23:22] <zequence> What was the problem you were having with lmms?
[23:22] <len_1304> Wouldn't bad depends effect that?
[23:22] <zequence> It didn't get to that point
[23:22] <zequence> It's in the build log
[23:22] <zequence> Has to do with print stuff that all the flavors have
[23:23] <len_1304> Ok, I am going to bug the lmms thing anyway.
[23:24] <zequence> upgrading did have a problem, yes
[23:31] <len_1304> Bug #1152807
[23:33] <zequence> len_1304: I didn't have that problem myself. It complained over the newer version wanting to overwrite the desktop file
[23:33] <zequence> apt-get install -f fixed it
[23:33] <len_1304> Yes, but depends is still worng
[23:34] <zequence> len_1304: Not here. It looks fine for me
[23:34] <zequence> I'm on amd64 if that makes a difference..
[23:35] <zequence> Version: 0.4.14-0ubuntu2
[23:35] <zequence> Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.14-0ubuntu2)
[23:35] <len_1304> Shouldn't its not a wine thing. after using -f it installed for me.
[23:36] <len_1304> Maybe it has been fixed in between when it failed and I used -f
[23:36] <zequence> Well, I didn't have the problem with versions
[23:36] <len_1304> Yes it has. your version is ubuntu2, the one that failed was 1
[23:37] <zequence> Ah, right. It must have been uploaded shortly after then
[23:37] <zequence> er, no
[23:37] <zequence> You're talking about 0.4.13
[23:38] <len_1304> 14 was looking for 13 instead of 14.
[23:39] <zequence> Well, as I said, I didn't get any dependency problems
[23:40] <zequence> There was a 0.4.14-0ubuntu1, where 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 only added a patch
[23:42] <zequence> Don't think the former was ever released though
[23:42] <zequence> Was updated before it could
[23:44] <len_1304> They are a day apart, but I don't know.