[05:43] hi superfly and aothers [05:44] yo theblazehen [08:56] hi griffin_ simeon [08:57] Hey Kilos [08:58] yo Cantide [08:58] :) [08:58] hi Kilos, griffin_ :) [08:59] Hi Cantide [09:09] morning all [09:13] hi magespawn [09:13] hey kilos [09:13] Kilos: [09:14] are you bloeping ye? [09:14] yet [09:15] lol i am running lubuntu here but it wasnt too lekker so installed mate on it and now its kiff [09:15] but it goes ploeng not bloep here on xchat [09:16] so much faster than kde and unity [09:16] mate is one of those that i have never tried [09:16] only kde install packages is quicker [09:17] makes your pc work like maverick [09:17] gnome2 [09:18] only prob so far is when i go places >home it tries to open with vlc [09:18] maverick also did that long ago and i dunno how i fixed it [09:22] apart from removing vlc that is [09:23] i think that would be in the file or folder associations, right click then select the program you want to use to open that folder/file [09:24] Kilos, i bet Unity will be much lighter and faster in the future [09:24] because of the move away from Unity 3D [09:24] and the implementation of qt/qml + mir [09:24] but that's at least a year away i think :< [09:25] will be interesting to see [09:25] i hope so. because i can run 12.10 here now but dont fancy all the fading/shading of things, makes everything take so much longer to happen [09:25] yeah [09:25] i'm all for lightweight above appearance [09:25] but looking good is sadly what draws people in [09:25] yeah snappy performance [09:26] here is another phone for the debate from last night http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview-4577.php [09:26] eye candy is for peeps with good eyes and lotsa time [09:26] indeed Kilos [09:27] i prefer candy inna mouth [09:29] lubuntu was very nippy but i couldnt find my home folder with gui so thats why i installed mate [09:29] i used lubuntu once for a little [09:34] if it wasnt for nm i would used 12.04 kde and unity. i like both [09:34] might still install ubuntu-desktop here when new data goes in [09:35] been a bad 2 weeks data wise [09:35] and all because if the quantal packages in precise that my graphics card couldnt use [09:36] grrr [09:36] s/if/of [09:36] wwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!@@@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:37] sjoe wassup nlsthzn [09:37] you had triplets? [09:37] ah not much uncle Kilos ... just saw I have irc open and well... yes.... [09:38] haha [09:38] you battling with irc? whew [09:41] no... not really... just being random [09:42] ah magespawn mate doesnt have bell.ogg in /usr/share/sounds/ [09:43] it uses bell.oga [09:43] thats why no bloep [10:03] guys i did sudo chown miles:miles /usr/share/sounds/mate/default/alerts [10:03] to get bell.ogg to there now to give it back to root do i just substitute root:root in place of miles:miles? [10:03] now that i am not sure [10:05] maybe one has to sudo -i first then chown from there to root, but im scared to play too much with chown [10:06] caused bad maracas once before [10:06] /usr/share/sounds/ belongs to root to start with methinks [10:25] wbb [10:43] hey magespawn you arent running kde anywhere are you [11:33] i was, not anymore [11:38] Kilos: [11:38] ah [11:38] you shoulda tried konversation [11:38] methinks if anything is better than xchat , its konversation [11:39] kinda hooked on quassel [11:39] haha thats because you dont worry about bloep [11:40] and thats why you get a reply an hour later sometimes [11:40] and you use quassel from the hand toy too [11:40] hahaha [11:41] ahh that is true, on the tablet i get noises, but i am using one of the cafe machines at the moment [11:45] off home, chat later [13:01] o/ [13:01] hi oom Kilos, magespawn [13:01] and charl_ and kodez [13:01] hi nuvolari [13:01] how goes it [13:02] It goes well thanks! You? [13:02] it's going very well [13:02] just relaxing, had a busy week [13:04] yeah, this week was weird, it had a long run up, and then all of a sudden friday passed [13:05] gretings to you too nuvolari [13:06] greetings everyone [13:06] hi kodez [13:19] i bought a massive bag of so-called "espresso beans" for 4 euro and am drinking it now [13:19] it's surprisingly good just using it as filter coffee [13:26] hi nuvolari [13:26] hi Kilos [13:27] hi charl_ [13:27] how goes it [13:27] and kodeztoo hiya [13:29] have any of you people ever tried to use rdesktop to windows server 2012? [13:30] i discovered an interesting problem... by default there is a security option that's set and then you get a "connection reset by peer" error with rdesktop [13:30] when you disable the security option it works perfectly without a flaw [13:32] the weird thing is, the option is called "allow connections only from computers running remote desktop with network level auhtentication" [13:32] network level authentication? and that causes a connection reset by peer? "interesting" stuff microsoft is up to [13:34] it (obviously) works perfectly with the official remote desktop client in windows 7 though, even though the server is on a completely different network on the other side of the country [13:34] :) [13:43] ti oow ki=o- [13:43] uhm... [13:43] lol [13:43] he? [13:43] hi oom Kilos [13:43] lol [13:43] right-hand-offset was wrong :P [13:43] 1 position to the right [13:43] your fingers were not correctly calibrated with the keyboard :) [13:44] yeah [13:44] lol [13:44] just call it a calibration error :P [13:44] lol [13:44] I need a keyboard with more prominent home postion indicators [13:44] what was it supposed to be [13:45] it was supposed to be 'hi oom kilos' [13:45] hahaha [13:48] interesting, there are three linux distros that are officially supported on microsoft's azure platform [13:48] http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/manage/linux/other-resources/endorsed-distributions/ [13:48] ubuntu, suse and centos [13:49] nuvolari: that should have been "jo pp, lo;pd" [13:49] ironic to think this is after all the FUD they spread about linux 10 years ago [13:49] good afternoon [13:49] hi inetpro [13:50] that ^^ is one key position to the right [13:51] magespawn: that is no "smart" phone [13:52] in fact very yuck if you ask me [13:52] Nokia 808 PureView pictures http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview-pictures-4577.php [13:54] lo inetpro [13:54] aiho Kilos [13:57] Kilos: why did you even try to play with the permissions of /usr/share/sounds/mate/default/alerts ? [13:57] to put bloep there [13:58] bell.ogg noy bell.oga [13:58] s/noy/not [13:58] and did it work? [13:58] i wish peeps would standardise [13:59] i dunno. im on kde now [13:59] I mean the bloep sound, did it work after you did that? [13:59] it didnt change from what it was even though i added bell.ogg [13:59] ai! [13:59] obviously! [13:59] but all sound files in there except bell.ogg are now locked [14:00] locked? [14:00] thats why i wanted to know must i chown it to root [14:00] ja man show locks there [14:00] you should have just left it as root [14:00] but at least bell.ogg is there [14:01] what's the point? [14:01] it wouldnt let me copy bell.ogg there man [14:01] ai! [14:01] it's in the mate folder [14:01] ek sukkel met jou partykeer [14:01] how do you expect xchat to magically know that it's there? [14:02] i tried to use the other sound option but didnt work [14:02] and i gave it the whole path [14:02] ahh [14:02] but then why copy it into that folder? [14:02] it could be anywhere [14:03] lol i tried telling it that too [14:03] like /home/miles/mybloepsound/bloep.ogg [14:03] tried while file was on desktop [14:04] but now im resting on kde again [14:04] ai! [14:04] anyway you kde peep for some reason my kde isnt installing with single click anymore [14:04] what did i do wrong [14:05] i spent many hours looking in settings but i cant find where [14:05] i might even trry konversation on mate and see later or morrow [14:07] why would it make a difference which desktop you are running? [14:07] well quassel had no sound on unity remember so who knows [14:07] ah i see [14:08] yeah kde does a lot of "fancy" things but if it doesn't work on unity it probably won't work on any other gnome-based desktop [14:08] what you clever peeps can work out for me is [14:08] kde isnt installing with single click anymore? [14:09] what does that mean? [14:09] when you have a flashdisk in , you used to be able to right click format it and then name it lekker which the diskutility dont do [14:09] what inetpro? [14:10] ai! ek sukkel [14:10] I have never installed kde with a single click [14:10] no man dodo [14:10] listen [14:10] if you have archives somewhere [14:11] you open it and it used to install with one click on the package [14:11] or actually open the installer with one click [14:11] oh the graphical package management tool [14:11] yay at last [14:12] hmm... [14:12] and one click is kde's default open with the mouse/touchpad [14:12] just need to decipher the code :) [14:12] ya and i like it that way [14:12] dunno how it disappeared [14:12] Kilos: you like living on the edge [14:12] mouse/touchpad options? [14:12] yeah [14:12] oh ty [14:14] it shows that [14:14] hmm... [14:14] Kilos: what file manager? [14:14] oh ya [14:14] i think i installed thunar thats why [14:14] ai! [14:14] forget why now [14:14] blame the young chick [14:15] what's wrong with dolphin? [14:15] something didnt work so she said install thunar [14:15] i forget what it was that didnt work now [14:15] dolphin is the default kde file manager [14:16] it's nicely integrated with kde [14:16] yes but something didnt work with it [14:16] what is something? [14:16] how long is a peace of string? [14:16] ai! [14:16] cat had a wiz all over one of my laptop bags while a netbook was still in it :/ so now I am going to open it up and see if the damage is just superficical or deeper :/ [14:16] scroll back a week or so [14:17] ai! [14:17] i hate cats [14:17] +1 [14:17] very allergic to them and their flees [14:17] only animal that kills for pleasure [14:18] Kilos: you would have to go back to dolphin and tell us the problem from there [14:18] ok lemme remove thunar [14:18] Kilos: why? [14:18] oh inetpro [14:18] no need to remove anything [14:18] did you remove dolphin? [14:19] nope [14:19] press Alt+F2 and type dolphin [14:19] and press enter [14:19] before i forget again how can i open a konsole with keyboard [14:19] Alt+F2 konsole [14:20] ty it opened the thing here [14:21] i normally use alt+f1 instead of alt+f2 because then you can use the up and down buttons to select the application in kde [14:21] but tell me the shortcut keys to open konsole [14:21] i wonder why it doesn't work anymore, i thought it used to work with the alt+f2 launcher too [14:21] but why do we even need two launchers in the first placew [14:21] *place [14:21] charl_: up and down also works on Alt+F2 [14:21] weird, i tried it on kubuntu 12.10 and it didn't want to work for me [14:21] because dolphin didnt work with something cha [14:21] i also used to think it worked fine though [14:22] oh [14:22] didnt show hidden files i think [14:22] then the fly told me how [14:22] ai! [14:22] ctrl+. [14:22] Kilos: just look through the menu options [14:23] for what? [14:23] i dont wanna go menu everytime i want to open a konsole [14:24] Kilos: for most things you would normally find stuff in there [14:24] lol [14:24] it tells you the shortcuts [14:24] you so cheeky [14:24] oh [14:24] where you see that [14:25] click on the little spanner on the right [14:25] show konsole in favourites but shortcuts [14:25] and if you don't find your shortcut you can see many more in configure shortcuts [14:25] where you see a spanner [14:25] ah here is what i need to do: http://www.hanckmann.net/?q=kde4_and_the_windows_key [14:25] Kilos: in dolphin [14:26] i love using the so-called "meta" key instead of alt+f1 [14:26] oh not menu? [14:27] Kilos: they chose to put the menu inside a icon [14:27] to free up more screen space [14:28] that happened in the days when the netbooks came out [14:28] with small screens [14:30] you mean i gotta remap the konsole to a key? [14:30] sjoe [14:30] hmm... you talking to me? [14:31] I'm still talking about dolphin and it's shortcuts [14:31] ai! [14:32] i am surprised to see suse still existing as a company, but it seems like they are doing nothing outside of jumping on the "cloud" hype [14:33] Kilos: if you're inside dolphin you can press shift+f4 to launch konsole, but that is not a system wide shortcut [14:33] aha [14:34] Kilos: what key did you use in unity to open the terminal? [14:34] ctrl+alt+t [14:35] hmm... Ctrl+Alt+T is already mapped to something else [14:36] what? something one uses? [14:40] in system settings you can create a new global shortcut [14:40] just have to find a key that is not used yet [14:40] a key combination [14:41] charl_, dunno about that about suse... all signals I am getting from peeps in openSUSE points to only good things... [14:42] where you see global shortcuts? [14:42] Kilos: System Settings | Shortcuts and Gestures | Custom Shortcuts | Edit | New | Global Shortcut | Command / URL [14:43] The shortcut 'Ctrl+Alt+T' conflicts with the following key combination: [14:43] Shortcut 'Ctrl+Alt+T' in Application synaptiks for action Touchpad on [14:44] set the key in the Trigger tab and set the command to konsole in the Action tab [14:45] and since you do not have a Touchpad you should not have the same problem as me [14:47] * inetpro bbl [14:47] sjoe [15:04] yo Vince-0 [15:05] Hi Kilos [15:05] hi Vince-0 [15:06] manual updating Razr maxx to Android Jellybean [15:09] heh, Im busy configuring painful traffic classification crap, what a mission [15:10] traffic classification? for shaping or monitoring? [15:10] monitoring [15:10] nlsthzn: you watching the stormers? [15:10] ah, trying to stop people from pirating? :) [15:10] no uncle Kilos ... forgot they are playing :p [15:11] nah, just to be able to se where stuff is coming from properly [15:11] just started nlsthzn [15:11] brb, off to the shops... [15:11] thanks uncle Kilos ... pity bulls playing tomorrow morning 7 local time, just when I arrive at work :/ [15:11] aw [15:11] do ahabs follow rugby? [15:11] hehe [15:12] or they do camel polo [15:14] football crazy [15:15] see the stormers starting well... or at least hearing it as the site I am using to watch is more like a slide show [15:17] ARGH I hate regex [15:22] set as-path INTERNATIONAL-ACADEMIC "^2018 36944 20965 .*" ; set as-path INTERNATIONAL-UBUNTUNET "^2018 36944$" ; set as-path NATIONAL-IS "^2018 3741 .*" ; set as-path NATIONAL-SAIX "^2018 5713 .*" ; set as-path TENET-ONLY "^2018$" [15:22] ooops [15:22] stupid cut and paste [15:22] lol [15:49] evening all [15:55] himage [15:55] ai! [15:55] magespawn: too [15:55] good game hey nlsthzn [15:56] seems so, I am reading it online so not that epic for me uncle Kilos :p [15:56] aw shame. 28 mins to first scrum [15:57] wow [15:57] guess the stormers still scarred cause the bulls out scrummed them in their last clash :p [15:58] lol [16:00] heh neat, I now have communities in place so I can identify traffic from a whole number of sources via netflow [16:02] can you show us? [16:02] hey Kilos [16:02] heh magespawn can show you what I did sure [16:03] can you show us the traffic? [16:04] heh once Ive applied the rules to the arbor that might be possible :) [16:04] http://www.inetpro.org/pastebin/ad7bc84a6980467a98fa1d58759ecb19 [16:04] heh, thats the actual classification config [16:05] what amazes me is that I apply that against half a million routes and it applies and tags in under a second [16:07] and even analyzing the traffic ad sending the netflow records at hundreds of megs a second is still only running at 8% cpu [16:08] you don't actually get all the traffic, you just sniff it? [16:10] inetpro: ty very much that shortcut for console works kiff [16:11] that will save me a second every time i need one [16:12] magespawn don't even sniff it, the router sends netflow recods [16:12] to the netflow collector [16:13] so basically, as the traffic passes through the router, it tells the netflow collector "I just had a packet coming in from this interface, destined to this interface, with a source address of X and a destination address of Y and here are all the other relevant details about that flow" [16:13] ahh right i understand [16:13] then the collector correlates it all against the bgp and gives you stats [16:13] can you see what is in the traffic exactly? [16:14] no, we're only looking at routing, ip, tcp/udp/icmp headers, payload is never looked at [16:14] but obviously if we were to see something funny in the netflow, the facility to look at the payload via other means is there [16:14] (well, on future packets) [16:15] because on a juniper router you can effectively tcpdump if you choose to [16:19] so anyone who can access the router could do that? [16:19] i absolutely hate answering machines [16:19] either pick up the phone or give me an email address [16:20] ringing phones are a personal bugbear [16:21] yeah i hate bears that bug me [16:21] i also hate ringing phones that bug me [16:22] magespawn anyone who has access to the router with the relevant permissions could dump the traffic yes [16:22] which is why we're so careful with who has access and what permissions they have on the routers [16:23] the thing that bugs me the most though is when bugs bug me... but i am a programmer so that is a problem i have to deal with [16:23] heh, the routers log every command issued to them against whoever typed it, and we can restrict right down to command level who has access to execute what commands [16:23] can you clear the logs? [16:24] \o/ [16:24] * nuvolari declares a silent victory [16:24] magespawn no one can clear those logs unless they have access to the db server, and the backup db server, and if they did, it would be visible, I modified the tacacs code to sequence every command executed [16:24] so delete a log line outta the db and you're gonna know someone fucked with the logs [16:25] or messed around [16:25] right so if someone makes a mess of things either on purpose or by mistake you can track it [16:26] yeah [16:26] sounds like audit logging on a database [16:26] i like it [16:26] log all the mutations [16:26] the idea is that NO ONE issues a command to a router or switch that we can't see and react to [16:26] charl_ basically yes [16:26] it allows us to see if anyone violates change control etc [16:27] the biggest question is though... are the logs properly monitored [16:27] cause it's one thing to have logs and it's another thing to actually do stuff with them [16:27] how would you monitor them? [16:27] and if it loses communication to the authentication server, it won't let ANYONE execute commands unless you have the password to the local account, and no one has that, its long, randomly generated and escrowed [16:28] Kilos: it's a pleasure [16:28] charl, heh, they are monitored, it emails them to a select group of people every 6 hours (any commands issued in the last 6 hours) [16:28] ah ok that's pretty good :) [16:28] so lekker when things are standardised. then you dont have to think so much when on another os [16:28] inetpro: is that your site? inetpro.org? [16:29] bbl later dinner time [16:29] charl_: yes [16:29] inetpro: very nice [16:29] oh then again, no [16:29] charl_: no [16:29] :-) [16:29] ?? :) [16:29] they stole my name [16:29] oh lol [16:29] heh, charl, I saw the most freakish hack the other day that was positively scary [16:29] I watched a guy man in the middle all the https on a network and strip out the https [16:30] and capture a ton of usernames and passwords etc in a test [16:30] charl_: I had nothing to do with it [16:31] heh, the guy arp spoofed a gateway, so traffic came to his machine instead of via the router, then forwarded all the traffic through his machine, if he saw web traffic on port 80, he watched for https redirects, then stripped them out and forced https requests to become http requests [16:31] and since most sites listen on both and hten just redirect to https to force https [16:31] it meant that if you access *directly* via the http, the https disappears and you get it in clear text [16:31] scarily enough, it worked against all the south african banks [16:31] works against yahoo as well [16:32] although i've heard of these attacks many times before, i've never actually witnessed it myself [16:32]