| === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy | ||
| Lumpy | heyas | 01:45 |
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| len_1304 | Lumpy, hello | 01:51 |
| len_1304 | Did you get my long winded email? | 01:52 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, if we are getting in for 13.04 beta 1 reply to mail of ubuntu-release please | 01:59 |
| Lumpy | uh i dunno might have accidentally filtered it to nothingness | 02:06 |
| Lumpy | what did you need Len-nb | 02:06 |
| Lumpy | found it len | 02:09 |
| Lumpy | will read it between sets | 02:10 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: I asked scott to do that, and he said he did. But, I haven't seen any action on that | 02:11 |
| zequence | Maybe he posted to the wrong adress or something | 02:12 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, yeah. And also, stgraber seemed to forgotten the switch from ~ubuntustudio-core to ~ubuntustudio-release... | 02:12 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, you send or I send? | 02:12 |
| Lumpy | it can get messy quick can't it len | 02:12 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: I'll take care of it | 02:13 |
| len_1304 | Just finding out about the realities of lots of en/decoding. | 02:25 |
| zequence | len_1304: If you find something evil, will you let us know ;) | 02:26 |
| * len_1304 has been working with Lumpy on broadcast workflows... | 02:27 | |
| zequence | cool | 02:28 |
| len_1304 | The minimum usable system is somewhat more than what I have. but perhaps within the abilities of a modern machine | 02:28 |
| len_1304 | zequence, one of the prime workflows in broadcasting is phone to air. | 02:30 |
| len_1304 | a skype or linphone app is much lower latency than ogg/mp3 streaming (though higher than guitarix) | 02:32 |
| Lumpy | the latency can be fun | 02:32 |
| Lumpy | and it can be fun trying to figure out what is eating up cycles | 02:32 |
| len_1304 | In the end there may be as many as 5 or 6 encoders and or decoders running at the same time. | 02:32 |
| Lumpy | another reason we run our voip in through a board | 02:32 |
| Lumpy | helps take it out of the equation so to speak | 02:33 |
| len_1304 | Ya. | 02:33 |
| Lumpy | tonight, I am trying to crash the PC and just can't seem to make it do so | 02:33 |
| Lumpy | and i jacked up the latency | 02:33 |
| Lumpy | still getting an occasional xrun | 02:34 |
| len_1304 | I thought cutting pulse down to 2 channels might help... it did help. | 02:34 |
| Lumpy | like one every two or three hours | 02:34 |
| Lumpy | i don't use pulse in my setup | 02:34 |
| Lumpy | jackd at two chans | 02:34 |
| len_1304 | No need. | 02:34 |
| Lumpy | running jackrack adds a few cycles though | 02:34 |
| len_1304 | Jack uses not much 2 channels or 10. | 02:34 |
| len_1304 | effects use more yes. | 02:35 |
| Lumpy | I try to match my channels to my output | 02:35 |
| len_1304 | I use the card I have :) | 02:35 |
| Lumpy | i use an ancient soundblaster here | 02:35 |
| Lumpy | and the old beast still works good enough | 02:36 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: Once you log out and in again, you should have rights on the ISO QA site | 02:36 |
| Lumpy | i am using just a tad bit of compression and some equalization to kill the pc fans | 02:39 |
| len_1304 | Every broadcast facility I have been in has some form of "sweetening" before air like an orban optomod | 02:40 |
| zequence | broadcasting and radio is something I've never been close to | 02:41 |
| len_1304 | Makes for a more consistent signal level | 02:41 |
| zequence | Otherwise, I've done pretty much anything that has to do with audio | 02:41 |
| len_1304 | I worked in both radio and tv from 79 to 84 or so. | 02:42 |
| Lumpy | you are correct len, i am too on a P4 but mine is a dual core | 02:42 |
| len_1304 | Dual core? or hyperthread? | 02:43 |
| Lumpy | dual core, one of the first | 02:43 |
| Lumpy | 2.4 GHz pm a Intel Wasp D65 mobo | 02:44 |
| Lumpy | with 2 gig or RAM | 02:44 |
| len_1304 | When I finally upgrade I will go dual or quad. | 02:44 |
| Lumpy | the G5 is a multi processor | 02:45 |
| Lumpy | not much good for current stuff due to lack of support but a nice post processing machine | 02:45 |
| len_1304 | The supermicro MB look really good for low latency stuff. | 02:47 |
| len_1304 | Even some of the lower end ones. | 02:47 |
| Lumpy | are you using the low latency kernel? | 02:47 |
| len_1304 | yes. | 02:48 |
| Lumpy | holstein says we don't need it but i like it | 02:48 |
| Lumpy | i would rather have everything other than audio die in crash first | 02:48 |
| len_1304 | I think it is about matching the application to the latency | 02:48 |
| Lumpy | even when i have over runs, you can't hear them in the final product | 02:49 |
| len_1304 | For really low latency I turn hyperthreading off. But if I can handle higher latency, I might get better performance with it on. | 02:50 |
| len_1304 | Like I may be able to handle more DSP tasks. | 02:51 |
| zequence | You don't need linux-lowlatency, if you don't need low latency | 02:54 |
| zequence | But, if you do, you need it | 02:54 |
| zequence | Simple as that | 02:54 |
| Lumpy | lol | 02:54 |
| len_1304 | Ya, there is that | 02:54 |
| len_1304 | but, there is low latency and low latency. | 02:55 |
| Lumpy | and you don't need to increase your latency unless you need to increase your latency.. then you do | 02:55 |
| len_1304 | :) | 02:55 |
| Lumpy | it is pretty much like i have always said | 02:55 |
| Lumpy | go out there and screw it up.. fix it... repeat | 02:55 |
| len_1304 | This system: https://www.osadl.org/Profile-of-system-in-rack-2-slot-0.qa-profile-r2s0.0.html is getting about 30us max latency for example. | 02:56 |
| len_1304 | Mine is doing good to get in around 1ms | 02:56 |
| len_1304 | with tweaks. Well the other one is tweaked as well... | 02:57 |
| Lumpy | i took the jack latency to 90 some ms | 02:58 |
| Lumpy | and haven't had an overrun since | 02:58 |
| len_1304 | Your phone line needs to be less.... and is by default | 02:58 |
| Lumpy | i still lean to the mixer for that | 02:59 |
| Lumpy | for the bucks you spend on a mixer and all | 02:59 |
| Lumpy | that and you can tweak you firewall for your voip line | 02:59 |
| Lumpy | and, len, don't forget to double check that | 02:59 |
| Lumpy | bust the ports open on your voip | 02:59 |
| Lumpy | just in case you didn't think of that | 03:00 |
| len_1304 | I am not sure what codec TS uses but skype and many others use speex which is lower latency than ogg. | 03:00 |
| len_1304 | I wasn't gong through the FW at all. 100mb line all internal. (this side of the FW | 03:01 |
| len_1304 | From phone to icecast | 03:02 |
| Lumpy | well if you are going to do voip, incoming, just make sure you have the right ports open | 03:02 |
| len_1304 | Ya. | 03:02 |
| Lumpy | it can create it's own latency so to speak | 03:02 |
| len_1304 | If there is a proxy yes. | 03:03 |
| len_1304 | an open port is better. | 03:03 |
| Lumpy | another reason why we try and stick with teamspeak | 03:03 |
| Lumpy | we can host it on our own server and there are no relays | 03:03 |
| len_1304 | well done sip can do without relays too. | 03:04 |
| len_1304 | Sip just sets the call up. | 03:04 |
| Lumpy | i am sure there are many ways to achieve the same thing with it | 03:05 |
| Lumpy | i was chatting with some one else who does streaming and they swear by MIXX | 03:05 |
| len_1304 | There is a broadcast standard for using sip for audio contribution. | 03:06 |
| Lumpy | which I have never even looked at | 03:06 |
| len_1304 | Mixxx is picky about video drivers. | 03:06 |
| len_1304 | It will run on my laptop but not my desktop. | 03:06 |
| len_1304 | But on my lap top half of it is out of my screen area. | 03:07 |
| len_1304 | So it is not usable for me. | 03:07 |
| Lumpy | i have never tried it | 03:07 |
| Lumpy | and exactly what is the sip protocol all about | 03:08 |
| Lumpy | i can't recall if it sends any metadata | 03:08 |
| len_1304 | SIP is a connection protocol. | 03:08 |
| len_1304 | The meta data is in the stream itself | 03:08 |
| Lumpy | right | 03:09 |
| Lumpy | reading the wikipedia page on it now | 03:09 |
| len_1304 | it is possible to use SIP to set up an MP3 or ogg stream for example. | 03:09 |
| Lumpy | or video or html | 03:09 |
| len_1304 | Yes. | 03:09 |
| len_1304 | Or text chat even. | 03:10 |
| Lumpy | sooner or later we will have a nice neat uniform format... lol... we have been saying that since the atari days | 03:10 |
| Lumpy | i happened on a new article on line | 03:11 |
| Lumpy | aparently there is some TV station in Chicago that is still using an Amiga for it's closed caption | 03:11 |
| * Lumpy fires up his vic-20 | 03:12 | |
| len_1304 | There is opus | 03:14 |
| Lumpy | i used to link C-64s together back in the day | 03:14 |
| len_1304 | It is a mix of speex/celt | 03:14 |
| Lumpy | so i could use all the SIDs at once | 03:15 |
| len_1304 | I kind of skipped those | 03:15 |
| Lumpy | they were the best sound chip of the day imho | 03:15 |
| len_1304 | Went from synclar to atari mega | 03:15 |
| Lumpy | i went from a 20 to 64 to an amiga | 03:16 |
| Lumpy | then got into i86s | 03:16 |
| len_1304 | The mega had the best midi solution at the time... and I could aford it. | 03:16 |
| Lumpy | my 64 was all jacked up actuall | 03:16 |
| Lumpy | had an external hd even | 03:17 |
| Lumpy | four minutes to mic for me atm | 03:17 |
| Lumpy | so if i seem hereish | 03:17 |
| len_1304 | I was getting into BBSs so I went OS/2 then Linux | 03:18 |
| Lumpy | I was a big BBS nut too | 03:18 |
| * len_1304 seems to have skipped the MS thing too. | 03:18 | |
| Lumpy | that and I think I spent most of my college money on compuserve | 03:18 |
| Lumpy | i really was not into the PC stuff for long | 03:19 |
| Lumpy | 98, ME and XP | 03:19 |
| Lumpy | and XP is more a remnent | 03:19 |
| holstein | Lumpy: holstein said *you* might not need it | 03:19 |
| holstein | if you need it, you need it.. but most folk dont | 03:20 |
| len_1304 | :) :) | 03:20 |
| holstein | most folks just trip about needing/wanting it | 03:20 |
| len_1304 | His SW needs jack, but it could probably get away without it running real time. | 03:20 |
| Lumpy | ntl holstein is usually correct | 03:21 |
| holstein | i try and stick to the facts :) | 03:21 |
| Lumpy | and yah, i trip about needing wanting everything i can get out of this old beast | 03:21 |
| holstein | i did too... | 03:21 |
| len_1304 | but 90ms is hardly lowlatency. | 03:22 |
| Lumpy | i can run it as low as 32 | 03:23 |
| Lumpy | but then i get xruns | 03:23 |
| len_1304 | well.... compared to an ogg stream... | 03:23 |
| len_1304 | an ogg stream might be 5sec or more. | 03:23 |
| zequence | I think even for consumers, who want to play around with audio apps, low latency quickly becomes important. It's whenever you do something live, and that's usually primarily using a midi keyboard to play a soft synth. You just can't do that with a generic kernel. That's why -lowlatency is really the better default, no matter what ambitions you have in music | 03:23 |
| zequence | The only time you might not want it is (and I don't know how big of a problem this is) - when you need to save battery | 03:24 |
| Lumpy | i have not really played with the MIDI while streaming | 03:24 |
| len_1304 | Doesn't make any difference on an atom based machine. But on other laptops it does. | 03:24 |
| Lumpy | but will sometime in the future | 03:24 |
| Lumpy | i have an atom based machine | 03:25 |
| Lumpy | only used it to stream once | 03:25 |
| Lumpy | generic kernel | 03:25 |
| holstein | if its not 10ms, then it might as well be 90 | 03:26 |
| len_1304 | Some of the atom mother boards with the dual core 64bit atoms can get really good low latency. | 03:26 |
| holstein | i can hear 20 | 03:26 |
| len_1304 | holstein, that is not really true in all things. | 03:26 |
| holstein | 15 or so and i can hear it.. so it might as well be 90 | 03:26 |
| len_1304 | in VOIP work | 03:26 |
| zequence | -lowlatency is probably the better choice for desktops. The main reason why it's not an option on Ubuntu is a 10% decrease in troughput, which is something that servers need | 03:26 |
| holstein | len_1304: thats true | 03:26 |
| zequence | -rt on the other hand is a bit more extreme | 03:27 |
| len_1304 | good sub ms latency. | 03:28 |
| len_1304 | if the system is tweaked | 03:28 |
| * len_1304 has used guitarix with .725 ms set on jack and less than an xrun maybe every 5 to 10 min. | 03:30 | |
| len_1304 | that would be lowlatency kernel | 03:30 |
| Lumpy | i have barely played with guitarix | 03:31 |
| len_1304 | The machine was well tweaked, with next to nothing else happening. | 03:31 |
| Lumpy | worse thing is i bought the usb jack for my parker and then never even plugged it in again | 03:31 |
| zequence | Something that people don't realize is that on Windows you're never told if there's an audio drop out. The only way to tell is if you heard it | 03:31 |
| zequence | So, one wonders how often they happen | 03:31 |
| zequence | And, on Mac, some apps do object when that happens. But, not others, like Cubase | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | windows === windblows | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | least for audio | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | least for me | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | and i hated SAM | 03:32 |
| holstein | cubase on xp was fine | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | barely used cubase | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | once i happened on audacity and linux | 03:32 |
| Lumpy | i was pretty much done with buying audio software | 03:33 |
| Lumpy | although, i think i was one of six people in the world that had any luck with ME | 03:33 |
| Lumpy | i ran ME for 12 years | 03:34 |
| zequence | I've had no problems with Cubase and XP. Used that for many years. I used OSX in paralell for a couple of years. This was around 2004-2005. Found OSX a lot more prone to crashes | 03:34 |
| Lumpy | i ran ME forever on my creative m003 mobo | 03:34 |
| Lumpy | was the only machine i ever liked it on but it ran and ran and ran | 03:35 |
| Lumpy | go figure | 03:35 |
| len_1304 | windows is that free thing that comes with the machine, I replace it with something useful when I get the box home. | 03:35 |
| Lumpy | lol | 03:35 |
| Lumpy | i boot into XP once a week to update it | 03:35 |
| Lumpy | tis all | 03:35 |
| zequence | The next machine I buy will either have a Linux preinstalled, or nothing | 03:35 |
| zequence | I usually just buy PC parts, but I might get a laptop next | 03:36 |
| len_1304 | I try to build from the MB up, but with netbooks that is kinda hard. | 03:36 |
| Lumpy | i usually get scrap parts and build | 03:36 |
| Lumpy | the m003 was the last kit one i built | 03:36 |
| Lumpy | and that was in the 90s | 03:36 |
| holstein | i used jack and ardour on osx.. worked fine. the same pretty much | 03:37 |
| Lumpy | and len does your rig ever use the swap space? | 03:37 |
| Lumpy | or does it pretty much hum along on just the ram | 03:37 |
| len_1304 | Swap space use in audio = fail | 03:37 |
| Lumpy | i still put a swap on each drive | 03:38 |
| Lumpy | despite the fact that it never seems to use it | 03:38 |
| len_1304 | I put swap in... the only use for it is that if I go into swap with audio it doesn't kick the audio app out so I have a chance to save stuff before I start that track over. | 03:39 |
| len_1304 | But once anything audio gets into swap... even something GUI only like qjackctl... the whole audio chain gets affected in my experience | 03:40 |
| Lumpy | yup... you start to so so sound li like ike.. ya know | 03:41 |
| Lumpy | and once it starts, it doe not seem to like to stop | 03:41 |
| len_1304 | I have had the sound stop for several 10s of sec. | 03:41 |
| Lumpy | it will be three hours at the top of the hour | 03:42 |
| len_1304 | But I have never had that happen in real audio use yet. Only while testing to see how many audio apps I could get going at once. | 03:42 |
| Lumpy | 0 xruns | 03:42 |
| Lumpy | once again, holstein ftw | 03:42 |
| holstein | \o/ | 03:43 |
| Lumpy | i am going to have to bust out the Parker next | 03:43 |
| Lumpy | then the MIDI | 03:43 |
| Lumpy | i am confident i can make the whole thing crash and burn | 03:44 |
| holstein | midi is usually easy/ight | 03:44 |
| holstein | light* | 03:44 |
| Lumpy | esp since my midi is an old video game card | 03:44 |
| Lumpy | yeah but if i run idjc, guitarix and midi software all at once | 03:45 |
| len_1304 | probably more stable than a USB midi. | 03:45 |
| Lumpy | i would think i would just be begging for some latency issues then | 03:45 |
| holstein | Lumpy: nah... its the stuff happening in the box that will be the issue, i say | 03:46 |
| holstein | the midi information is really small | 03:46 |
| Lumpy | that is it's strong suit | 03:46 |
| Lumpy | nice compact digital info | 03:46 |
| Lumpy | uh oh Jack: **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.087 msecs | 03:47 |
| Lumpy | spoke too soon | 03:47 |
| Lumpy | like who could hear that anyhow | 03:47 |
| Lumpy | i have some old midi gear just hollerin for me to play with it | 03:47 |
| Lumpy | a yamaha dx-7 and a roland dr-5 | 03:48 |
| Lumpy | last time i did anything with them was in windows | 03:48 |
| Lumpy | i think i used anvil for it | 03:48 |
| len_1304 | my kb is also a DX7 | 03:49 |
| Lumpy | i have the very first one actually | 03:50 |
| len_1304 | I don't use it for sound, just midi. new in 85ish | 03:50 |
| Lumpy | i inherited it from an old room mate | 03:51 |
| Lumpy | he didn't want it anymore... go figure | 03:51 |
| Lumpy | i like the old heavy beast | 03:51 |
| len_1304 | To get rid of spurious xruns like that probably turn off things like cron... | 03:51 |
| Lumpy | good for curls, really builds the biceps | 03:51 |
| Lumpy | such a small xrun though | 03:52 |
| len_1304 | I like the action. enough weighting for most things and little enough where it is not wanted. | 03:52 |
| Lumpy | i don't actually ever play it anymore | 03:53 |
| Lumpy | i was more the guitarist | 03:53 |
| Lumpy | i wonder if 36 instances of chrome might have anything to do with my xrun | 04:08 |
| Lumpy | odd thing is that my cpu usage is constantly hanging low | 04:08 |
| Lumpy | it is not jumping up even for a second | 04:08 |
| Lumpy | so why an xrun if the cpu is not taxed? | 04:08 |
| holstein | hard drive could be | 04:09 |
| Lumpy | dunno | 04:09 |
| Lumpy | lots of hard drive space | 04:10 |
| Lumpy | synergy keeps eating up cycles though | 04:10 |
| Lumpy | i am not luving this new beta of synergy | 04:10 |
| holstein | i generally disable networking | 04:11 |
| holstein | i turn the cpu govenor off | 04:11 |
| Lumpy | i would be a tad dead without networking | 04:11 |
| holstein | yeah? | 04:12 |
| holstein | i dont do normal computing on my audio rig | 04:12 |
| holstein | i disable the pulse to jack bridge | 04:12 |
| holstein | its more of an audio appliance | 04:12 |
| Lumpy | i used to remove pulse completely | 04:12 |
| Lumpy | and, yeah, i want to build a rig like that | 04:12 |
| Lumpy | i just need one more pc | 04:12 |
| holstein | i dont have any issue with pluse.. i just dont need it | 04:12 |
| Lumpy | well if i build one for audio only, i would likely feel the same | 04:13 |
| Lumpy | never really cared much for pulse | 04:13 |
| Lumpy | but i think it was skype that needed it | 04:13 |
| Lumpy | and i was going to try and get that voip working with idjc just for giggles | 04:13 |
| Lumpy | if it weren | 04:14 |
| Lumpy | er | 04:14 |
| Lumpy | even though it may be a pia, i think i might tweak the G5 to be audio only | 04:14 |
| Lumpy | i just need a way to hook the midi stuff up | 04:14 |
| Lumpy | i have been using the G5 for post production and it works well for that | 04:16 |
| Lumpy | but that old PowerPC is not that well supported anymore | 04:16 |
| holstein | ive been using the G4 i have to prop the door open | 04:16 |
| Lumpy | which kinda suck cuz it seems like a sweet architecture | 04:16 |
| holstein | its really the best performance ive gotten out of that machine | 04:17 |
| Lumpy | lol | 04:17 |
| Lumpy | my G5 is the only thing i have that is 64 bit | 04:18 |
| holstein | eh.. you'l get something | 04:18 |
| holstein | i have 3 64bit machine i got for nothing | 04:19 |
| Lumpy | just kind of a shame, the dual cpu arch still had some use | 04:19 |
| Lumpy | then we went multicore and forgot about it | 04:19 |
| Lumpy | i can do post production about 30% faster on it though | 04:20 |
| Lumpy | but yeah, i will get something sooner or later | 04:20 |
| Lumpy | and besides, half the game is making due with what you got | 04:20 |
| holstein | for me, its never an issue of getting the machine to do more work, or faster | 04:20 |
| Lumpy | for me, post production time is the bottleneck | 04:21 |
| Lumpy | it is real easy to hit the record and stream button | 04:21 |
| Lumpy | what i really need is a staff of henchmen.. heh | 04:22 |
| len_1304 | holstein, it is kind of hard to broadcast on internet with no networking... | 04:38 |
| Lumpy | yeah, i would consider that an obstacle | 04:39 |
| len_1304 | having browsers open is something else though :) | 04:39 |
| holstein | yup... i always had to re-enable to stream | 04:39 |
| Lumpy | i am leaving them open to tax the system | 04:39 |
| Lumpy | hitting refresh often | 04:39 |
| Lumpy | and still can't force a crash | 04:39 |
| len_1304 | sudo apt-get update | 04:40 |
| Lumpy | must be doing something right, can't jack the cpu over 70% | 04:40 |
| Lumpy | well that takes it to about 88% | 04:41 |
| Lumpy | and now it is done already | 04:41 |
| len_1304 | There is a package called stress that is supposed to stress the system for testing... | 04:42 |
| Lumpy | is it in the repos? | 04:43 |
| len_1304 | yup | 04:43 |
| Lumpy | well as soon as all these updates install | 04:43 |
| Lumpy | who would have thought one would be streaming while updating 20 years ago | 04:44 |
| len_1304 | In the early days of linux it was formatting a floppy while doing stuff. | 04:45 |
| len_1304 | There is also cpuburn... but that seems to be for putting thermal stress on the system. | 04:46 |
| Lumpy | installed | 04:52 |
| len_1304 | stress --cpu 1 seems to use up whatever cpu cycles whatever else isn't using. | 04:52 |
| Lumpy | once i am off the mic, i will give it a go | 04:53 |
| len_1304 | Right now mine is using 95% cpu... till I do anything. | 04:53 |
| Lumpy | still only jacked it 88 | 04:55 |
| Lumpy | well stress -c 2 takes it right to the max | 04:57 |
| Lumpy | and no xruns | 04:58 |
| holstein | thats good, i think | 04:58 |
| Lumpy | yeah, in the way it was good before | 04:59 |
| Lumpy | no issues but still no clue as to the crash weeks ago | 05:00 |
| Lumpy | brb | 05:00 |
| Lumpy | back | 05:02 |
| ifndef | hello | 05:02 |
| Lumpy | heya ifndef | 05:02 |
| Lumpy | making friends over there in open source eh holstein | 05:03 |
| Lumpy | :p | 05:03 |
| Lumpy | jk | 05:03 |
| ifndef | how's it going, lumpy? | 05:03 |
| Lumpy | it is going | 05:05 |
| Lumpy | you? | 05:05 |
| ifndef | pretty well man. it's my first time hopping here, what is the purpose? other than bantering with the devs haha | 05:06 |
| Lumpy | that, imho, more or less is the purpose | 05:07 |
| Lumpy | that and it is a great resource for help | 05:07 |
| Lumpy | len and holstein save my butt often | 05:08 |
| ifndef | sounds good. I've never helped out with anything like this, but I | 05:09 |
| ifndef | just joined the mailing list and saw that you guys had a channel | 05:09 |
| Lumpy | and len_1304, it is synergy | 05:10 |
| Lumpy | synergy is eating up cycles like crazy | 05:10 |
| Lumpy | and there is nothing in the log about errors | 05:10 |
| Lumpy | just keeps eating up cycles | 05:10 |
| Lumpy | the longer i run it, the more it creeps up | 05:10 |
| Lumpy | then i kill it and then it drops back down to climb again | 05:11 |
| Len-nb | that sounds bugish | 05:19 |
| Len-nb | I have not had that problem with ssh -Y ... | 05:19 |
| Lumpy | it does it all the time | 05:24 |
| Lumpy | the idjc stuff is using about 34 % | 05:25 |
| Lumpy | meterbridge about 6 | 05:25 |
| Lumpy | jack rack about 6 | 05:26 |
| Lumpy | right now synergy is at 2 but give it some time and it climbs slowly | 05:26 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, got it | 06:42 |
| Len-nb | there are some interesting things about running apps on a remote x server. | 07:09 |
| Len-nb | just about everything is like running on the remote computer... except x config applies to the local x server still. | 07:10 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, OK | 07:10 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, prepare to test Beta 1 :P | 07:11 |
| Len-nb | so if I run arandr on my desktop through the x server on my netbook it sees my netbook screen not the desktop one | 07:11 |
| Len-nb | has beta one given us an iso? | 07:11 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, not yet:P | 07:13 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, wait till Monday | 07:13 |
| smartboyhw | And I want to get Blender 2.66a in | 07:13 |
| smartboyhw | We are still having issues with stupid powerpc | 07:13 |
| Lumpy | well i got my crash | 07:48 |
| Lumpy | and the error log is useless | 07:48 |
| Lumpy | more or less, it told me that it left the screen but could not come back | 07:48 |
| Lumpy | like thaaaanks | 07:48 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, you want me to fix the lmms bug? | 08:24 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, hmm lmms depends on lmms-common (= ${source:Version}) ...... | 08:26 |
| Lumpy | night all | 08:28 |
| === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK | ||
| smartboyhw | REALLY WEIRD | 08:29 |
| smartboyhw | I think what happened is that it depended on the source:Version of lmms IN LOCAL COMPUTER | 08:33 |
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| * smartboyhw is writing his debate script | 13:22 | |
| zequence | inkscape is quite buggy actually | 15:27 |
| zequence | It's really difficult to work with patterns. | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, oh is it? | 15:29 |
| zequence | Working with patterns means you can spot a single pixel being off on a whole line | 15:34 |
| zequence | At least when the pattern is very small and simple | 15:35 |
| len_1304 | zequence, pattern creation and alignment are critical | 15:37 |
| len_1304 | If the glitch shows up at every pattern boundary then the pattern is faulty | 15:38 |
| len_1304 | zequence, Do we have a freeze yet? | 15:40 |
| len_1304 | if not we should get your bg and settings in | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb, yes | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, ^ | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, just file an FFe | 15:41 |
| len_1304 | Just a thought about the default bg and other artwork. If we made the default BG and other artwork always have the same name... or have a link to whatever is default, then we would only have to disturb one package for each change. | 15:42 |
| len_1304 | smartboyhw, we have a daily build today, is that the one for testing? or wait til monday? | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, wait till monday | 15:44 |
| len_1304 | ok. The icon theme finally defaults (yahoo) | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, :D | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | GOOGLE! | 15:45 |
| len_1304 | google :P | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, in response to yahoo:P | 15:56 |
| len_1304 | Ah Google doesn't have the same enthusiastic feel though | 15:56 |
| len_1304 | it looks like some of the problems people are having on install may be the usb-creator | 15:58 |
| smartboyhw | len_1304, correct | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | I never got it working | 15:59 |
| len_1304 | There seems to be a workaround | 15:59 |
| len_1304 | when the auth for boot comes up open a terminal and stnc | 16:00 |
| len_1304 | then type password | 16:00 |
| len_1304 | *sync | 16:01 |
| * len_1304 is zsync-ing to todays iso. I will check all my work so I can "DONE" my blueprints | 16:04 | |
| zequence | len_1304: The pattern is fine. Just inkscape doing weird things when trying to export or save the file | 16:17 |
| zequence | I'm constantly moving between GIMP and inkscape to do different things | 16:18 |
| Len-nb | holstein, good response. | 17:17 |
| holstein | Len-nb: i havent stole anything like that in years | 17:19 |
| holstein | you cant trust those things you download.. you never know what they really are | 17:19 |
| Len-nb | Some of us don't need a new movie every day. And yes a lot of them have "bad" code in them. | 17:20 |
| holstein | it could be just "bad" too not malicous | 17:21 |
| holstein | just not done correctly | 17:21 |
| Len-nb | Yup. | 17:21 |
| holstein | bascically "i downloaded a giant file that is supposed to be a movie, and it wont become a movie for me..." | 17:21 |
| holstein | thats not something i can help with.. or care to bother with | 17:22 |
| Len-nb | It is not a normal topic for a channel about content creation anyway. | 17:22 |
| Len-nb | s/normal/sane/ | 17:22 |
| kubotu | Len-nb meant: "It is not a sane topic for a channel about content creation anyway." | 17:22 |
| holstein | right? | 17:23 |
| zequence | Did another background. This one is a little better light wise, but a bit too far out to be default IMO (I'll go back to working on the original colors again) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/CarbonTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=carbon-blue.png | 19:05 |
| len-live | zequence, re:artwork, at least the first and last slide in ubiquity will need to be changed as well to match the new background. | 19:11 |
| zequence | len-live: Ok. I'll have a look at them | 19:12 |
| len-live | The icon on the parted install page is now correct. | 19:13 |
| len-live | The menu icons now use standard icon names. | 19:13 |
| len-live | and none of them are "stolen/borrowed" from apps we happen to include right now. | 19:13 |
| len-live | zequence, the two slides mentioned have the current desktop background in them. | 19:14 |
| len-live | videos may want to mention kdenlive | 19:16 |
| len-live | graphics may want to mention krita | 19:17 |
| len-live | the photography slide mentions "Darkroom",. Is that supposed to be Darktable? | 19:19 |
| len-live | I will send this stuff to the list. | 19:22 |
| zequence | alright | 19:32 |
| len-live | Scott did all these last time so he may have the the original art work layers | 19:32 |
| zequence | I just got the source. I could replace a couple of pics and edit the text | 19:34 |
| len-live | That was my thought. | 19:35 |
| len-live | Bug #1153032 | 19:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1153032 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity slideshow for ubuntustudio is out of date and incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153032 | 19:37 |
| len-live | exit | 19:39 |
| Len-nb | zequence, todays ISO looks good. We are waiting for the catfish fix to upload (probably tomorrow when micahg gets back) and whatever art work you do. | 23:41 |
| Len-nb | zequence, I think this item should be moved from Raring to the overall one:Make sure the custom menu has entries for "all" multimedia applications available to Linux | 23:52 |
| Len-nb | Or just postponed. | 23:52 |
| Len-nb | Really anytime someone installs an app and it ends in the wrong place, it can be fixed as a bug. | 23:53 |
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