[00:27] <Guest65397> hi
[02:49] <RaphaelBarros> Great, my microphone stopped being recognized for no apparent reason :(
[03:12] <joshuafcole> Is there a way to integrate rm with the recycle bin? E.g. I'd like to make an alias that shadows the rm command and dumps the files into the same location that deletion in dolphin does. Does anybody know what directory that would be in (or flags I'd need to set, or whatever else?)
[03:16] <tsimpson> joshuafcole: you can use kde-mv
[03:16] <tsimpson> but you'd probably want a script, because kde-mv only takes one source
[03:17] <tsimpson> but "kde-mv file trash:/" is the basic thing you're after
[03:18] <joshuafcole> Okay, cool. I'll play with it a bit and see what I come up with. I'd been meaning to do it for a while now since once in a while I really wish I didn't have such strong muscle memory for rm -rf, and I thought I'd give it a shot now before something catastrophic occurred. =P
[03:18] <joshuafcole> Thanks!
[04:35] <amigamia> de=desktop experience?
[04:39] <Bradley24> i just upgraded (clean install) to Kubuntu 12.10. How do i cascade the program windows?
[04:43] <Bradley24> Right clicking doesnt bring it up in the menu any more. More precisely, what is the keyboard combination in Kubuntu 12.10 to cascade the windows on the desktop?
[05:11] <CoJaBo> I have a "Konsole: Bell in session shell" notice open; is there ANY way to close this without restarting Konsole or the system? :/
[05:11] <Obsidian1723> is kubuntu moving away from xorg?
[05:11] <DarthFrog> Obsidian1723:  Well, it's not moving towards Mir.
[05:12] <Obsidian1723> Wayland?
[05:13] <DarthFrog> Obsidian1723:  I don't know.  If KDE supports Wayland, then perhaps.
[05:14] <DarthFrog> But KDE (i.e. Kwin) has already said that any patches to support Mir will be vetoed.
[05:14] <Bradley24> what is Mir?
[05:14] <DarthFrog> So if Ubuntu won't support Wayland, where's the impetus for Kubuntu to do the work themselves?
[05:14] <Obsidian1723> Mir is the new windowing display for Ubuntu
[05:15] <DarthFrog> Bradley24: It's an in-house project by Ubuntu to replace X.
[05:15] <Bradley24> DarthFrog: thanx.
[05:15] <Obsidian1723> Why not just stick with X?
[05:16] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[05:16] <DarthFrog> Obsidian1723:  Mark Shuttleworth has a vision for Ubuntu to be run on all devices, from smartphones & tablets to desktops, to have the same experience on every device.
[05:16] <CoJaBo> I literally can't get this thing to go away; ideas?
[05:16] <Obsidian1723> DarthFrog: Yeah, I know, Bill Gates Wanna Be.
[05:16] <Obsidian1723> Why can't Kubuntu say with X?
[05:17] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo:  Press CTL-ALT-Esc (i.e. invoke xkill) then click in the window to be destroyed.
[05:17] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: It just kills the window underneith it
[05:18] <DarthFrog> Obsidian1723:  he has a good vision, methinks.  Consumer computing (i.e. for content consumption, not production) is massively moving towards moble devices & consoles.
[05:18] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo: It kills the window you click in.
[05:18] <Obsidian1723> DarthFrog: for some things, not everything.
[05:18] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: Yeh, but the notification "window" isn't accepting clicks, they just pass thru to the window "behind" it
[05:19] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo:  you could always press: Alt-SysRq-K simultaneously.
[05:19] <Obsidian1723> Why can't Kubuntu just stick with X?
[05:19] <CoJaBo> It would REALLY suck to have to shut everything down just for this :/
[05:20] <DarthFrog> Obsidian1723: I doubt any hard & fast firm decision has been made.  I would imagine that what ever upstream decides to support will win the day.
[05:21] <Bradley24> Does anyone know how to pull up the context menu that allows cascading of windows?
[05:21] <Obsidian1723> I guess. I don't see X going away. If Kubuntu diverges from it, there's always Debian probably to go to. I know X is limited, but it's well-developed, stable, works fairly well, I think Wayland could be the same, in time.
[05:23] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: So theres no other way can think of other than to reboot? :/
[05:24] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo:  Just restart X.
[05:24] <CoJaBo> That would kill all my remote sessions
[05:24] <DarthFrog> Then ignore it.
[05:24] <CoJaBo> It is large and in the way
[05:24] <CoJaBo> Is there a way to kill/restart whatever thing displays that?
[05:25] <DarthFrog> If xkill won't remove it, it's probably not being displayed by a process.
[05:25] <DarthFrog> DId you try refreshing the desktop?
[05:26] <CoJaBo> Refreshing?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> F5 when the desktop has the focus.
[05:26] <CoJaBo> It displays over all open windows
[05:26] <DarthFrog> Or right-click on the desktop, choose Refresh Desktop.
[05:27] <DarthFrog> Is it present in all virtual desktops?
[05:27] <CoJaBo> Yes; even tried switching activities
[05:27] <CoJaBo> Tried changing the resolution and back, it WILL NOT DIE
[05:27] <DarthFrog> Looks like you're hosed.
[05:28] <CoJaBo> It looks like I can workaround it by setting every single window to "keep above others"... >_>
[05:30] <CoJaBo> Why did that happen? :/
[05:31] <DarthFrog>   Because no non-trivial piece of software is ever bug-free.  Except vi. :-)
[05:31] <CoJaBo> heh. vi ftw
[05:31] <CoJaBo> This is a pretty sucky bug tho :/
[05:33] <DarthFrog> And this bug may be a one-off due to the interaction of the xclient and the xserver in a particular environment.  You had a lock on a sectionof video buffer memory, it sounds like.
[05:38] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: Its slightly dimmed compared to the normal ones; its like it was "fading out" and just gave up in the middle, leaving the animation half-done
[05:39] <CoJaBo> It "behaves" as a normal window other than not being able to accept clicks; i.e., other windows can go in front of and behind it, and can bee seen thru it
[05:40] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo:  I've had something similar happen to me before.  If I recall correctly, it was only removed by restarting X.
[05:50] <Bradley24> The only online reference I can find is to install Compiz, which I don't wnat to do. I haven't needed to cascade windows in a long tiime, but when i need to, i need to do so badly. Is Kwin able to cascade windows?
[05:52] <CoJaBo> Is there a good reference to installing Compiz on Kubuntu? I couldn't get it running on this machine, really miss it :/
[05:52] <DarthFrog> CoJaBo:  Use SystemSettings to Enable Desktop Effects.
[05:53] <CoJaBo> That uses Kwin, which provides only extremely basic effects..
[05:54] <DarthFrog> I think you'll be surprised. :-)
[05:54] <DarthFrog> Compiz has been integrated.
[05:55] <Bradley24> i need to be able to cascade windows when i have more than 20 windows open. i cannot find anything using google or blekko that gives any indication that kde can cascade windows. i know it does, because used it last year.
[05:55] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: You are an hero, BTW ==DDD
[05:55] <DarthFrog> LOL!
[05:56] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: It occurred to me when you said that- toggling Desktop Effects was the way to finally kill the Phantom of thw XWindows System
[05:57] <CoJaBo> Disabling effects clears stuck animations; all it took was Ctrl+Alt+F12 >_>
[05:57] <CoJaBo> Er; well, Alt+Shift+F12
[05:59] <DarthFrog> Glad to hear it.
[06:00] <CoJaBo> DarthFrog: anyway; the one killer feature, being able to set windows transparancy by alt+scroll, was still not possible in KDE without Compiz last I checked :/
[06:00] <DarthFrog> I have no idea.  I've never played with that stuff.  I've never grokked the joy of transparent windows. :-)
[06:01] <CoJaBo> It essentually *doubles* the usable screen area :P
[06:01] <CoJaBo> Its the main reason my netbook is perpetually stuck on an ancient version of Kubuntu <_<
[06:05] <Bradley24> I may have to go back to a previous version, if i can find a way other than to type "qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.cascadeDesktop" every time i need to cascade windows. :(
[06:08] <CoJaBo> Bradley24: cant you bind that to a shortcut or something ?
[06:09] <Bradley24> CoJaBo: is there someplace in system settings that would let me do that?
[06:10] <CoJaBo> Bradley24: Yeh, theres "Shortcuts and Gestures
[06:11] <CoJaBo> Bradley24: Theres even a "custom Dbus command" option there, if all else fails..
[06:17] <Bradley24> CoJaBo: it only seems to let me hotkey applications.
[06:17] <Bradley24> nvrmnd. found the dbus commands
[06:24] <Bradley24> CoJaBo: unfortunately i am not smart enough to figure it out. Thank you for the advice though.
[08:49] <shalokshalom> Hi there :D I wish, that all off the results, what krunner search, with the Mouse - So maybe with a Button ?
[11:15] <onebitxajax> hi to all
[11:16] <onebitxajax> GL3/gl3w.h: No such file or directory
[11:16] <onebitxajax> how can i get them?
[11:28] <onebitxajax> nobody can help?
 Package/file gl3w.h does not exist in quantal
[11:29] <onebitxajax> rork: how can be that?
[11:30] <rork> onebitxajax: it seems like whatever you are trying to do is not something that's implemented in ubuntu
[11:30] <onebitxajax> rork: opengl??????????????????
[11:30] <rork> so the question is, what are you trying to do that you need that file?
[11:30] <lordievader> onebitxajax: Not sure if this will help, but here is some info about that header file: http://surflab.cise.ufl.edu/wiki/OpenGL_3.x_/_OpenGL_4.0_FreeGLUT_Tutorial
[11:30] <onebitxajax> rork: start developing with opengl 4.0
[11:40] <rork> onebitxajax: I have no experience with that. However it seems that gl3w.h is a modified gl3.h. The modification is by this script: https://github.com/skaslev/gl3w so maybe that helps you solve your problem.
[11:42] <rork> onebitxajax: you may also want to ask in ##opengl , maybe they van help you.
[11:46] <onebitxajax> rork: they told me to come here
[11:47] <onebitxajax> because my distribution must give those headers
[12:01] <onebitxajax> rork: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgl3w
[12:01] <onebitxajax> i have installed all glew libs
[12:01] <onebitxajax> libglew1.6 glew-utils libglew1.6-dev
[12:03] <rork> onebitxajax: libglew1.6-dev has a file glew.h but not gl3w.h: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/libglew-dev/filelist
[12:04] <avihay> maybe it's a typo?
[12:04] <onebitxajax> rork: gl3w.h i found it
[12:04] <onebitxajax> my problem is in ld
[12:04] <onebitxajax> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgl3w
[12:04] <onebitxajax> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:06] <jollyjoe> Hello, i just boot up a kubuntu live-cd but impossible to get dhcp address. i can see traffic using tcpdump, dhclient's output is normal but no packets outgoing. What im doing wrong ?
[12:11] <avihay> jollyjoe: try ifconfig the interface down for a few sec and then up again? works for me when I have network problems. also dhclient -v, or you might want to specify the specific interface you want
[12:14] <jollyjoe> avihay, thanks but it not solve the problem. Already done.
[12:14] <avihay> :-<
[12:17] <cloakable> I'm trying to get USB wakeup to work on 12.10, but 'sudo echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup' doesn't actually change the status of the entry, it remains disabled. Any ideas?
[12:17] <cloakable> (Actually, USB1)
[12:22] <minerals> http://pastebin.com/WjgGTWxD why is it unloading the nvidia driver?
[12:40] <Ned_Flanders> hi could anyone help me?
[12:41] <Ned_Flanders> i installed ubuntu 12.4 and GNOME and 1.8GB of memory is being used and I don't know why
[12:43] <onebitxajax> Ned_Flanders: 1.8 of ram?
[12:44] <Ned_Flanders> yes =/
[12:44] <onebitxajax> it's normal i think
[12:44] <Ned_Flanders> wtf?
[12:44] <Ned_Flanders> thats loads
[12:44] <onebitxajax> now i have 2.3 used
[12:45] <Ned_Flanders> my server only has 4gb of ram
[12:45] <Ned_Flanders> i can't have half of it being used like this
[12:46] <Ned_Flanders> I don't think 1.8GB of ram just to run the system is normal at all
[12:46] <onebitxajax> Ned_Flanders: i think because gnome. if you want a server install it without gui. or with lubuntu or xubuntu
[12:47] <Ned_Flanders> onebit i need a desktop
[12:47] <onebitxajax> Ned_Flanders: lubuntu or xubuntu
[12:48] <onebitxajax> Ned_Flanders: ty use top o htop o gnome monitor to see what process eat memory
[12:49] <Ned_Flanders> o htop o gnome monitor?
[12:49] <Ned_Flanders> where do i find that
[12:49] <Guest44025> "sudo apt-get install htop"
[12:51] <Ned_Flanders> ok i installed it
[12:51] <Ned_Flanders> how do i run it
[12:51] <Ned_Flanders> nvm found it
[12:52] <Fridgemock> In the console window you can click on the "MEM%" column and it will sort by mem usage+
[12:52] <Ned_Flanders> unity-2d-shell
[12:52] <Ned_Flanders> taking up aload of memory!
[12:52] <Ned_Flanders> and nautilus -n
[12:53] <onebitxajax> LOL
[12:53] <onebitxajax> Ned_Flanders: i already say it. it's normal :D
[12:53] <Ned_Flanders> how can it be normal
[12:53] <Ned_Flanders> windows doesn't use that much ram to run the desktop
[12:54] <Ned_Flanders> would something like XFCE use less RAM than GNOME ?
[12:54] <Ned_Flanders> i can't have this much ram being used for just the desktop
[12:56] <Fridgemock> Well, GNOME and likewise Unity are not supposed to have a mem usage like that right after install. There is most definetly something wrong.
[12:56] <Fridgemock> You said you installed the gnome desktop?
[12:56] <Fridgemock> Are you logged into unity?
[12:57] <Ned_Flanders> yes i am
[12:57] <Ned_Flanders> thank you fridgemock for comfirming something is wrong
[12:57] <Fridgemock> How much memory is actually used by these individual processes you just listed?
[12:58] <Ned_Flanders> i wish i could show u my unity
[13:00] <Fridgemock> Could you open up the default system monitor via the dash: Windows/super-key and then type "system monitor"
[13:01] <Fridgemock> Should be a tad easier than the console thingy
[13:01] <Ned_Flanders> k
[13:01] <Ned_Flanders> on that
[13:02] <Ned_Flanders> 1.8GIB 45.4% of 4.0 GIB in use
[13:02] <Fridgemock> Click on the "Processes" tab
[13:02] <Ned_Flanders> and i dont even have any programs open
[13:02] <Fridgemock> then on "Memory" column
[13:02] <Ned_Flanders> ok
[13:03] <Ned_Flanders> unity-2d-shell 34.0MiB
[13:03] <Ned_Flanders> xvnc4 11.7 MiB
[13:03] <Ned_Flanders> nautilus 11.3 MiB
[13:03] <Fridgemock> Kk, let's switch the system process on as well:
[13:03] <Fridgemock> Menu: View->All Processes
[13:04] <Ned_Flanders> How do i find Menu
[13:05] <Ned_Flanders> nvm i got it
[13:08] <Fridgemock> So, found any bug memory consumers? Anything using more than xorg?
[13:08] <Fridgemock> big*
[13:08] <Ned_Flanders> fridge: http://i50.tinypic.com/dnyjyt.png
[13:11] <Ned_Flanders> can u see?
[13:12] <Fridgemock> Apart from being logged in as root I can't see anything unusual. Since I'm a beginner myself, someone more qualified show dig deeper. Especially since you're talking about servers and such. Sorry, mate.
[13:13] <Fridgemock> should*
[13:13] <Ned_Flanders> Ah... perhaps unity just uses alot of memory?
[13:13] <Ned_Flanders> Maybe I should uninstall Gnome and use some less memory intensive
[13:14] <Ned_Flanders> its bad to log in as root?
[13:35] <progician> oy. I have trouble with the audio through hdmi since I installed kubuntu. I tried many solution I foundon blogs/forums, but none seems to work.
[14:12] <progician> I have an issue with the HDMI audio. I managed to set up the TV as a display at the right of my monitor, however,  I can't get the sound working
[14:12] <progician> I set the output device as GF104... but it doesn't help
[14:13] <progician> it used to work just fine under linux mint, even on linux mint with kde, but on kubuntu it just simply doesn't work
[14:17] <progician> I'm a bit lost, because when I check the aplay -L, there's four output device for the hdmi: CARD=NVIDIA, while there's only a single physical hdmi  output on the card, obviously
[14:18] <progician> and also, there's a dmix device on the dev 3
[14:23] <progician> is there any known bug that stops kubuntu working with hdmi audio?
[14:30] <progician> is there any chat on this channel at all? I mean I put my question out an hour ago, and not a single line was spoken ever since
[14:31] <progician> mint channels are definitely more active
[14:36] <rork> progician: most software I use has output to the hdmi as well as the generic audio, there are few programs you have to specify though. Which program do you use to test it?
[14:36] <progician> rork: which software in particular? is amarok capable of doing so?
[14:37] <Obsidian1723> progician: Sorry, if I knew the anwser, I'd help you. I do know Linux Mint puts in a lot of extras by default. I would imagine there should be some sort of benchmarking software you could use to test it out.
[14:37] <Obsidian1723> Have you checked dmesg and in /var/log ?
[14:38] <progician> Obsidian1723: I'll see, what I can find in there...
[14:39] <Obsidian1723> you can also check things like lscpi if it's a PCI card, or lsusb for USB devices, checking those things and logs is where I'd start first, so in this case, dmesg. I believe you'd want to start in /var/log/messages
[14:39] <rork> progician: yes, Amarok should work fine
[14:39] <cloakable> Are you using Pulseaudio or pure alsa?
[14:40] <progician> rork: in the amarok configuration it leads me to the phonon config panel, and whatever I do there, there's no sound on the TV
[14:40] <progician> cloakable: i use kubuntu as it was installed.
[14:41] <cloakable> progician: Click on kmix and right-click on the Amarok entry. Then mouse over Move.
[14:41] <progician> cloakable: but then, since I couldn't get it working, I installed the pavucontrol, and alsa-utils as well, for no avail
[14:41] <cloakable> Move it to the HDMI output.
[14:41] <cloakable> Hmm.
[14:42] <cloakable> What output does the pulseaudio volume manager say Amarok is using?
[14:43] <progician> cloakable: which one is the pulseaudio vol manager? pavucontrol?
[14:44] <cloakable> progician: Yup
[14:45] <progician> ok guys, there might be a clue: kmix fail to start.
[14:45] <Obsidian1723> ok.
[14:45] <Obsidian1723> try reconfiguring that
[14:45] <progician> oh, it doesn't actually, it just starts on the tray, sorry
[14:46] <progician> so how do I direct software audio output to different hardware output?
[14:47] <progician> the pavucontrol panel shows as if there was some audio on the hdmi, but no sound on the telly
[14:47] <cloakable> Hm.
[14:48] <cloakable> And what programs are outputting to HDMI?
[14:49] <progician> cloakable: amarok
[14:49] <progician> and event sounds
[14:49] <cloakable> That's odd.
[14:50] <cloakable> I don't have a HDMI TV here, so I can't help too much, alas.
[14:51] <progician> cloakable: very odd, because it was working fine under mint... I love kubuntu in all aspects, but this is how I play movies at home, so I would like to sort out before the night comes :)
[14:52] <cloakable> But I don't see a reason why HDMI output would be failing on your system. You say pavucontrol shows volume activity on the HDMI output... have you checked the other end?
[14:52] <progician> many times, different ways
[14:52] <progician> but when I log in to windows, it works like charm
[14:53] <progician> it's definitely on the kubuntu side where it fails somewhere
[15:00] <progician> cloakable: when I click on the pulsaudio control/configuration tab, the GF104 High Definition Audio has 4+4 options with the 5.1
[15:01] <progician> when I change it, i get warnings, that it doesn't work
[15:01] <cloakable> Hrm.
[15:02] <cloakable> The KDE one or the pavucontrol one?
[15:03] <progician> when I set to the first one ("The first Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output") i get a different message, warning me that it has higher preference  or specifically configure for this stream. To me it tells that the audio driver is convinced that it is playing on the right stream without problem. I wonder if it is muted somewhere, but couldn't find anytiing
[15:03] <progician> pavucontrol
[15:04] <progician> the phonon seems less helpful in this
[15:04] <cloakable> Yeah, some
[15:06] <progician> i changed the nvidia driver, no change
[15:07] <cloakable> I'm not sure I can really help you, here.
[15:08] <progician> i wonder if the intergrated ati video card causing this...
[15:08] <progician> but that's ATI SB, not the GF104
[15:09] <cloakable> *nod*
[15:09] <progician> annoying, as all my media is on the ext4 home partition.....
[15:10] <progician> so I can't play them easily on window without copying all the music there.....
[15:10] <progician> windowws, i mean
[15:10] <cloakable> I'm using a GF119, with the latest beta drivers, so I'm not sure I could really help you with your problem even if I had HDMI speakers.
[15:10] <cloakable> I'm using the built-in analogue here.
[15:11] <oid> Do any normal people use Linux or is it just for hardcore computer geeks?
[15:11] <progician> yeah, that works fine... first i installed the experimental drivers, and now i switched back to the normals ones
[15:11] <progician> oid: more and more non-geeks I recon
[15:12] <alainus> can programs be opened from the console just like with krunner ? (without outputting anything to the console)
[15:12] <progician> oid: because people are less attached to specific softwares, and the web works the same way as on commercial platforms
[15:13] <progician> alainus: they can be
[15:15] <progician> alainus: just type kate, and it will open. but they will show the tty output
[17:08] <Sennar_> clear
[17:22] <murthy> hello everyone
[19:32] <away> anyone know of a good place to find more lightdm-kde themes?
[19:32] <Mamarok> away: so far I know only one, maby have a look at kde-look.org or kde-apps.org?
[19:36] <away> Mamarok -- thanks
[19:58] <Sennar> hi to all!!! someone now how i can see all list directory near the hostname??? i don't wont see any "Music" but /home/pippo/Misic in terminal??
[20:04] <IdleOne> Sennar: Can you rephrase your question. I am unclear what it is you are asking?
[20:05] <Mamarok> Sennar: you want to see the complete path in the prompt in a Konsole I guess?
[20:06] <IdleOne> Sennar: What langauge do you speak?
[20:06] <IdleOne> language*
[20:07] <IdleOne> Sennar: in here please not in PM
[20:07] <Mamarok> Italian I guess
[20:08] <IdleOne> Sennar: we have channels in other languages that can help you better.
[20:08] <IdleOne> Sennar: por l'amor de dios abla aqui
[20:09] <Sennar> sorry! italin :D where i find italian channel? 0.o
[20:09] <IdleOne> ah
[20:09] <IdleOne> !it
[20:09] <IdleOne> Mamarok: has a good geoip script apparently
[20:09] <Sennar>  /join #ubuntu-it
[20:12] <lordievader> Good evening
[20:28] <TEST__> hi
[20:31] <amigamia> test
[20:33] <TEST__> yes?
[22:54] <maximo> ciao
[22:54] <maximo> !list
[23:31] <smoke_> does anyone know how to install directx in wine?