[00:02] <penguin42> is anyone else having redraw problems on Firefox forms?
[03:29] <tigrang> Anyone else using skype and it not showing in the tray any more?
[09:39] <tim> hi, i've migrated one of my machines to 13.04. however there is one problem: the cmake build system for my sources expect qt4, but the default (qmake) is based on qt5. is there a workaround to switch the default qt version?
[10:05] <alankila> tim: how about qt4-qmake vs. qt5-qmake?
[10:12] <tim> alankila: ah, qmake vs qmake-qt4
[16:07] <relapse> When is the beta for raring available?
[16:18] <jbicha> !schedule
[17:57] <MoPac> Hi all.  I'm experiencing a problem in Raring (which I also had, but less so, in Quantal) with edge flipping where it barely works at all.  With pointer, it will often flip once after a restart and then not again.  Drog and drop is more sporadic.  Looks a bit like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/771448 - don't know if this should be happening in raring?
[18:01] <krabador> hi people, i need to switch user on raring
[18:01] <krabador> how can i do it from terminal?
[18:07] <MoPac> Sorry for the AFK.  I'm also getting the keyboard-shortcut-amnesia bug in raring ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1063617 ) .  I thought this was fixed, or have the 0.9.9.2 changes not been merged into the daily yet?
[19:03] <rohdef> hmm, I've been fighting a bit more with the installer that seems to get stuck when reaching Disk Setup
[19:08] <rohdef> any possible solutions apart from keeping retrying?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> rohdef, no , some hardware isn't recognized by the ubiquity installer , it's aknown bug on some systems , usually amd64
[19:10] <rohdef> BluesKaj, it's an amd64 indeed, can I somehow start a text-based installer?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> rohdef, dunno why it hasn't been fixed since it was reported on launchpad almost 2 months ago
[19:10] <rohdef> 2 months?
[19:10] <rohdef> oO
[19:11] <BluesKaj> yup\
[19:11] <rohdef> :S I sure hope there's a good reason for that, I guess I'll go for 12.10 then
[19:12] <rohdef> just hoped that I could get it up and running on 13.04 since I needed to reinstall anyway
[19:12] <alankila> live dangerously and upgrade from 12.10
[19:13] <rohdef> heh, that I could do :) btw. thanks for the help last time alankila
[19:13] <alankila> for the time being the ubuntu server install looks most workable though
[19:13] <alankila> I'm now in gnome 3 and happy as a little squirrel when I discovered it supports pixel precise touchpad scrolling
[19:13] <alankila> though I had to use dconf-editor to enable horizontal scrolling for some stupid reason
[19:13] <BluesKaj> tried a daily a few days ago , same result ..so the only suggestion ican make is , install 12.10 then , do-release-upgrade -d , after updating and upgrading 12.10 first , rohdef
[19:14] <alankila> but I got epiphany which is gtk3 app and it can scroll stuff with pixel precision with 2-finger touchpad gesture
[19:14] <alankila> files can do this feat as well, as can many other apps. Unfortunately not rhythmbox
[19:14] <alankila> I've been just scrolling around and enjoying one step towards feature parity with OS X.
[19:15] <rohdef> BluesKaj, will do that :) although I'm pretty sure the suggestion from alankila is quite good too, but I don't want to do manual network setup :/
[19:15] <rohdef> nice :) perhaps I should check out gnome
[19:15] <rohdef> again that is
[19:15] <alankila> I waited years for this capability. KDE's support for touchscreens is absolutely horrible, and most linux apps scroll by large chunks because touchpad only emulates mouse button presses 4/5 which move several lines at once
[19:16] <alankila> but gtk+3 can do this right, so huge points for that.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> rohdef, it's not dangerous unless you ghave an unrelaible internet connection
[19:16] <rohdef> BluesKaj, I know, but I don't like doing manual wpa_supplicant
[19:16] <bjsnider> alankila, rhythmbox hasn't been ported to gtk3?
[19:17] <alankila> wpa_passphrase your-ssid your-passwod > /tmp/sucka; wpa_supplicant /tmp/sucka # done
[19:17] <alankila> wpa_supplicant -c even.
[19:17] <alankila> bjsnider: I think it is, but for some reason it doesn't behave as well as other applications.
[19:18] <rohdef> :) ok that makes it easy
[19:18] <BluesKaj> roh what does wpa-supplicant have to do with it? , just use your existing connection
[19:18] <alankila> neither does firefox, but it's a gtk2 thing, so boo for that
[19:18] <BluesKaj> rohdef,^
[19:20] <bjsnider> alankila, that's not the only gtk music player
[19:21] <rohdef> BluesKaj, only have wifi and have to set it up from the live image afaik
[19:21] <alankila> probably not. I could hunt for another. But it doesn't really matter for rhythmbox. I'm just surprised it did not seem to inherit the capability.
[19:21] <alankila> there are other issues in rhythmbox, like enabling fullscreen mode from F11 makes it stick to every desktop, which makes the fullscreen mode useless
[19:22] <alankila> it's probably got some Interesting ways it uses GTK+
[19:22] <alankila> then again, it's music player, and for some reason music players draw the most incompetent developers there are...
[19:23] <alankila> (difficult to understand why there are so many of them and why all of them suck, otherwise)
[19:31] <rohdef> wasn't it the server install I should use to work around the problem?
[19:32] <rohdef> or?
[19:32] <alankila> well I've done installs from ubuntu server as the base
[19:33] <alankila> and had to learn the wpa_* stuff in order to download the full desktop
[19:33] <rohdef> ok good, and then just install kubuntu-desktop?
[19:33] <alankila> though that install did not last because it stuck me with nouveau and it was so broken I gave up and put OS X back at that time
[19:33] <alankila> yes, that's pretty much it.
[19:34] <alankila> though my personal recommendation would be to install 'gnome' metapackage rather than kubuntu stuff. But I don't like KDE so to each their own.
[19:34] <rohdef> nouveau is still broken :( damn, well nice to know though
[19:34] <alankila> it might work for some hardware, but don't try to use it with nvidia 320M if you have it
[19:35] <alankila> my experience with nouveau was such that half of the font glyphs in gnome-terminal were replaced by variously colored violet squares. I guess it confused the background somehow with them.
[19:36] <alankila> saw enough characters to manage to install nvidia-310 and observe it did install successfully. Then reboot and that install survives to this day -- I am actually using it right now.
[19:36] <rohdef> I've had fights with it before, from what I've experienced it's more unstable and defective than the alpha of Windows ME must have been
[19:36] <alankila> the first time it crashed I was just moving windows in the screen around
[19:36] <alankila> whoops, suddenly flew out of X and to corrupted TTY. Awesome. :-/
[19:38] <alankila> I guess I don't really envy the people working on nouveau. It's a hard task, and without access to the people who designed the hardware you have to painstakingly discover all edge cases yourself where something should work but just doesn't
[19:38] <alankila> the realities of specifications always being kinda incomplete is why I personally think that only hardware vendors can write the drivers for complicated hardware -- only they can pick the brains of the people who actually designed the hardware
[19:39] <rohdef> true, but I wonder what is the point, the drivers from NVidia does the job well
[19:39] <alankila> the other guys must operate by best guesses and that is always going to be far slower
[19:39] <alankila> open source fundamentalism, perhaps.
[19:39] <alankila> we'd benefit from a free driver, but I'd suggest buying open GPUs, or simple GPUs for which ordinary people can write drivers for
[19:40] <alankila> it looks to me like Intel's stuff might work well with linux, so we should just stop using discrete GPUs.
[19:40] <rohdef> Intel HD4000 works really well so far
[19:40] <rohdef> although I haven't done games with it on Linux
[19:41] <alankila> I have it on my other macbook, and have no complaints. As far as I'm concerned I'm out of the discrete GPU game now.
[19:41] <alankila> but realistically intel will need to increase performance a few times from HD4000 before it becomes more usable for gaming types.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> my entry level nvidia 8400GS works fine on 13.04
[19:42] <rohdef> using nvidia's drivers or nouveau?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> nvidia driver
[19:44] <BluesKaj> nouveau worked quite well too actually
[19:44] <rohdef> ah some improvement at least
[19:44] <penguin42> yeh, it seems to be somewhat touchy, works well for some, is a complete disaster for others
[19:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  like ubioquity
[19:45] <BluesKaj> err ubiquity
[19:46] <penguin42> nod, not very erm ubiquitous
[19:47] <BluesKaj> for sure
[19:47] <BluesKaj> still broken in the dailies for those of us with amd 64 HW
[19:51] <BluesKaj> well, some of us
[19:56] <rohdef> alankila, you just do normal install and then wpa_supplicant stuff after install?
[20:02] <alankila> yes until I can get a GUI going
[20:02] <alankila> note that authenticating to typical wlan requires not just the supplicant -- and if memory serves the interface to act on needs to be specified also -- but then also dhclient so you get internet address by dhcp
[20:06] <rohdef> hmm seems server inststall takes care of that so far, but it haven't asked for drive settings yet, and seems to be frozen like ubiquity :(
[20:06] <alankila> hmmh. That didn't happen for me. The server install has ran more reliably. Bummer if that is the case.
[20:07] <rohdef> I'll let i try for another 5-10 mins, otherwise I'll do the 12.10 do-dist-upgrade -d solution
[20:32] <MoPac> Hi - sorry to repost this, but I lost connection for a while.  My keyboard shortcuts are still being forgotten and reset on logout/restart in Raring.  I thought this was meant to be fixed by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1063617 .. Anyone familiar?
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> MoPac, "Fix Committed" doesn't mean fix released.
[20:38] <MoPac> TheLordOfTime: Ah - thanks... too noob to notice the distinction
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> oop i lied it does show as released.
[20:39] <TheLordOfTime> at least in Ubuntu's compiz package it does.
[20:40] <MoPac> I have the latest daily of compiz, and I've ordered Unityshell before most of the other plugins, includin wall and expo, and I've even set up the command plugin to try to mimic the default keyboard shortcuts when they get reset
[20:40] <MoPac> Yet my workspace arrangement is still unusable because my keyboard shortcuts get forgotten, edge flippping doesn't work at all, and the commands plugin (via xdotool) seems totally broken
[20:41] <MoPac> I'm a little confused because, with workspaces being so central to the OS experience, I don't see people all over IRC or askubuntu saying anything about it.  Are edge flipping and workspace-switch shortcuts actually working for most people?
[20:45] <alankila> they might all have given up on unity and are using gnome or kde instead. :-/
[20:47] <MoPac> I was using cinnamon, but Ubuntu couldn't seem to handle having both unity and non-unity elements on it
[20:47] <MoPac> Especially when I upgraded to raring: I would log into Unity-based ubuntu, but half the interactions would be attempting to load Cinnamon things, so I had to purge it all
[20:48] <alankila> I had to give up on unity because the macbook touchpad support is so poor it randomly generates 3-finger presses which cause application switches when I try to scroll
[20:48] <alankila> since there was no way to disable all of the 3-finger gestures, I was forced to either rebuild something or use something else.
[21:15] <bjsnider> alankila, how does gnome-shell work?
[21:16] <alankila> still ambivalent about the dynamic workspaces thing, but decided it's better than static workspaces at least
[21:16] <alankila> has a big bunch of default extensions to enable and disable in the tweak tool that is installed by default
[21:16] <bjsnider> yeah but i mean in regards to the touch issue
[21:17] <alankila> well it has no 3+ finger gestures, but what it does with 2 fingers rivals OS X, which does it best
[21:17] <alankila> though I did have to use dconf-editor to enable horizontal scrolling for some stupid reason.