| zebaszp | hi everyone, I need some big help: I've been trying to improve my read on all things Mir and Wayland, but for the love of me I just don't understand what's going on...so I'm asking both parties their opinions | 04:30 |
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| zebaszp | I need a full, honest to goodness explanation on what Wayland means to Unity and Mir, from feature differences, to community support and everything else | 04:31 |
| zebaszp | ...anyone? | 04:33 |
| zebaszp | popey, perhaps? hello? | 04:35 |
| zebaszp | hello? anyone there? | 04:41 |
| zebaszp | AlanBell, maybe? | 04:44 |
| zebaszp | is anyone actually here? come on! | 04:47 |
| zebaszp | come on, guys! there must be someone here! | 04:54 |
| paulo-castro | I have the same questions zebaszp | 04:57 |
| paulo-castro | I am worried with the fragmentation. When dealing with a so important software as a display server, fragmentation must be avoided. | 04:59 |
| zebaszp | indeed, paulo-castro, which begs the question "why Mir?" | 05:00 |
| zebaszp | I read the wiki, and I talked to the guys at #wayland, but I don't feel any closer to the answer | 05:00 |
| zebaszp | which brings me here | 05:01 |
| paulo-castro | zebaszp: When reading a Muktware arcticle it seamed to be about software control. Looks like canonicle want to control the display server to make the implementation of needed features easier | 05:02 |
| paulo-castro | Looks like good answer to me, but I want to hear more opinions obout the subject. | 05:02 |
| zebaszp | so far, the logic from the guys at #wayland was Mir is not a replacement for Wayland, but for SurfaceFlinger | 05:03 |
| zebaszp | which still doesn't quite fit | 05:03 |
| paulo-castro | Maybe a strategy to converge both | 05:03 |
| zebaszp | but why not use Wayland for that? | 05:04 |
| zebaszp | that's what it boils down to right now for me | 05:04 |
| paulo-castro | Seems much like upstart vs. systemd to me | 05:04 |
| paulo-castro | Maybe the features are missing and implementing something new in Wayland (upstream) is too slow | 05:05 |
| zebaszp | as far as the guys at #wayland are concerned, Mir doesn't include anything new, and Canonical made no attempt to contact them | 05:06 |
| paulo-castro | Yes....this leads to the same fragmentation problem... | 05:07 |
| zebaszp | ...we're just going around in circles... | 05:07 |
| zebaszp | I want someone who knows to reply! popey! come here! | 05:07 |
| paulo-castro | Why they don't work togheter? Systemd vs. upstart. Libre vs. OpenOffice. Mate vs. Cinnamon. It's a shame IMHO | 05:09 |
| paulo-castro | together* | 05:09 |
| zebaszp | LibreOffice made sense, so OpenOffice should really merge into Libre; MATE and Cinnamon are radically different; and Upstart predates systemd, but was made obsolete by it | 05:10 |
| paulo-castro | Why MATE and Cinn are different? They don't look so different from users pov | 05:11 |
| zebaszp | MATE is Gnome2 running in GTK3, but Cinnamon works on Gnome Shell | 05:11 |
| paulo-castro | But, as a UI, they aren't so different. I mean, besides tech aspects. | 05:13 |
| paulo-castro | The work very similarly from design's perspective | 05:14 |
| zebaszp | yeah, I guess, but for that matter, can't you replicate the same design in XFCE or LXDE? | 05:14 |
| zebaszp | anyone willing to answer my questions now? | 05:30 |
| zebaszp | no one? | 05:48 |
| zebaszp | wow, I can't believe no one replied in almost 2 hours... | 06:20 |
| zebaszp | (no offence, paulo-castro) | 06:21 |
| RAOF | Shock! Developers not in #ubuntu-mir at 15:00 on a Sunday afternoon. ☺ | 09:07 |
| popey | or 4AM on a Sunday morning | 09:10 |
| tvoss | good morning :) | 09:26 |
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