[04:30] <zebaszp> hi everyone, I need some big help: I've been trying to improve my read on all things Mir and Wayland, but for the love of me I just don't understand what's going on...so I'm asking both parties their opinions
[04:31] <zebaszp> I need a full, honest to goodness explanation on what Wayland means to Unity and Mir, from feature differences, to community support and everything else
[04:33] <zebaszp> ...anyone?
[04:35] <zebaszp> popey, perhaps? hello?
[04:41] <zebaszp> hello? anyone there?
[04:44] <zebaszp> AlanBell, maybe?
[04:47] <zebaszp> is anyone actually here? come on!
[04:54] <zebaszp> come on, guys! there must be someone here!
[04:57] <paulo-castro> I have the same questions zebaszp
[04:59] <paulo-castro> I am worried with the fragmentation. When dealing with a so important software as a display server, fragmentation must be avoided.
[05:00] <zebaszp> indeed, paulo-castro, which begs the question "why Mir?"
[05:00] <zebaszp> I read the wiki, and I talked to the guys at #wayland, but I don't feel any closer to the answer
[05:01] <zebaszp> which brings me here
[05:02] <paulo-castro> zebaszp: When reading a Muktware arcticle it seamed to be about software control. Looks like canonicle want to control the display server to make the implementation of needed features easier
[05:02] <paulo-castro> Looks like good answer to me, but I want to hear more opinions obout the subject.
[05:03] <zebaszp> so far, the logic from the guys at #wayland was Mir is not a replacement for Wayland, but for SurfaceFlinger
[05:03] <zebaszp> which still doesn't quite fit
[05:03] <paulo-castro> Maybe a strategy to converge both
[05:04] <zebaszp> but why not use Wayland for that?
[05:04] <zebaszp> that's what it boils down to right now for me
[05:04] <paulo-castro> Seems much like upstart vs. systemd to me
[05:05] <paulo-castro> Maybe the features are missing and implementing something new in Wayland (upstream) is too slow
[05:06] <zebaszp> as far as the guys at #wayland are concerned, Mir doesn't include anything new, and Canonical made no attempt to contact them
[05:07] <paulo-castro> Yes....this leads to the same fragmentation problem...
[05:07] <zebaszp> ...we're just going around in circles...
[05:07] <zebaszp> I want someone who knows to reply! popey! come here!
[05:09] <paulo-castro> Why they don't work togheter? Systemd vs. upstart. Libre vs. OpenOffice. Mate vs. Cinnamon. It's a shame IMHO
[05:09] <paulo-castro> together*
[05:10] <zebaszp> LibreOffice made sense, so OpenOffice should really merge into Libre; MATE and Cinnamon are radically different; and Upstart predates systemd, but was made obsolete by it
[05:11] <paulo-castro> Why MATE and Cinn are different? They don't look so different from users pov
[05:11] <zebaszp> MATE is Gnome2 running in GTK3, but Cinnamon works on Gnome Shell
[05:13] <paulo-castro> But, as a UI, they aren't so different. I mean, besides tech aspects.
[05:14] <paulo-castro> The work very similarly from design's perspective
[05:14] <zebaszp> yeah, I guess, but for that matter, can't you replicate the same design in XFCE or LXDE?
[05:30] <zebaszp> anyone willing to answer my questions now?
[05:48] <zebaszp> no one?
[06:20] <zebaszp> wow, I can't believe no one replied in almost 2 hours...
[06:21] <zebaszp> (no offence, paulo-castro)
[09:07] <RAOF> Shock! Developers not in #ubuntu-mir at 15:00 on a Sunday afternoon. ☺
[09:10] <popey> or 4AM on a Sunday morning
[09:26] <tvoss> good morning :)