[01:02] <blair> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloud/Images/Publishing still accurate on how Ubuntu Cloud Images are created?
[01:13] <lifeless> blair: clearly not edited for a while, but its the sort of thing you don't need to futz with that much
[01:13] <lifeless> blair: smoser: will know
[01:14] <blair> lifeless, thx, i'm looking for the latest instructions since i want to build EC2 images with cloud-init but tweak some things, since the images are a good base for what i need
[01:15] <lifeless> blair: you could just build on the images that smoser builds; thats what we are doing
[01:16] <blair> lifeless, actually, i'm trying to get zfs as a root fs so i can snapshot, so i'm thinking i need to build the fs and then layer all packages on top of it
[01:17] <lifeless> you could just use ebs snapshots, much simpler ;)
[01:17] <blair> while the system is running?
[01:18] <lifeless> blair: as for transforming; take the ubuntu cloud image; make a zfs fs, copy the contents over; drop in whatever modules you need.
[01:19] <lifeless> blair: re live snapshots - http://serverfault.com/questions/79077/safe-to-use-an-amazon-ebs-volume-while-snapshot-in-progress
[01:22] <blair> lifeless, thx, i will try the transforming approach.  i need the snapshot for getting a consistent backup between two different databases
[01:23] <lifeless> you can't use point in time backups for them ?
[01:24] <blair> one isn't even a real db system.  it's a third party software solution that uses a db and flat files, with no guarenteed ordering between updates to both, so i want to stop the service, do a snapshot, and start it, all very quickly
[01:25] <blair> i have btrfs working on a KVM, but it looks little too risky for a SAAS with paying customers, so i'm looking at zfs and the nfs-native ppa
[01:26] <lifeless> you could use lvm snapshots more easily I suspect
[01:26] <blair> i've had a btrfs fs lock up on boot due to a bug in the orphan cleanup code and following the btrfs mailing list, they keep on finding stuff that looks risky
[01:27] <blair> lvm with xfs?
[01:27] <lifeless> use the stock image, use an EBS volume for data storage, and put lvm on that
[01:27] <lifeless> lvm with anything
[01:27] <blair> so umount the EBS long enough to do the snapshot?
[01:28] <blair> err, i mean, unmount the volume in the LVM
[01:28] <lifeless> huh, just snapshot it live
[01:28] <lifeless> thats the whole point of lvm :)
[01:29] <blair> don't you put a fs on top of lvm, so you would then mount the snapshot it would need to recover?
[01:29] <lifeless> stop your service; sync; lvm snapshot; start your service
[01:30] <lifeless> blair: the sync isn't needed with fs's that are lvm aware
[01:30] <lifeless> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.html
[01:31] <lifeless> blair: I don't know exactly which ones are aware
[01:31] <lifeless> blair: zfs has a raft of nice features but most of them are not unique to zfs :)
[01:32] <blair> right, it's just all in one nice layer with checksums ;)
[01:32] <lifeless> saves you from disk corruption but not memory faults ;) - you can checksum bad data very happily :)
[01:32] <blair> the URL says that snapshot will ask the fs to be in a consistent state, need to see if ext4 supports that
[01:35] <blair> lifeless, http://lwn.net/Articles/446618/ says there are ext4 patches for snapshotting that are outstanding as of June 8, 2011, i'll have to see if it made it into recent kernels
[01:42] <lifeless> blair: no, thats different
[01:43] <blair> lifeless, how so?
[01:43] <lifeless> blair: thats in-filesystem snapshots like btrfs or zfs
[01:43] <lifeless> blair: lvm aware support is -massively- simpler.
[01:44] <blair> lifeless, so i'm missing something then.  this is my understanding.... lvm provides block devices and doesn't know about the fs.  you can put any fs on top of lvm
[01:44] <blair> but if you snapshot at lvm level, you can have the fs be in an inconsistent state
[01:44] <blair> and xfs, ext{3,4} don't support in-fs snapshots
[01:45] <lifeless> right, but there is an in-kernel api to tell the fs a snapshot is happening
[01:46] <blair> right, that's what i meant, and i couldn't find confirmation that it's in ext4
[01:46] <lifeless> it is
[01:46] <lifeless> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-August/012031.html
[01:46] <lifeless> shows analysis of a regression related to that code
[01:46] <lifeless> can't happen if it wasn't ;)
[01:47] <blair> oh, i misread the lwn article, there's a 'n' in 'next3'
[01:47] <blair> :)
[01:48] <xnox> blair: lvm snapshots with ext3/4 are rock solid.
[01:52] <blair> xnox, thx
[01:55] <lifeless> blair: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c4be0c1dc4cdc37b175579be1460f15ac6495e9a
[01:56] <blair> lifeless: nice.  because this question doesn't give one good feelings that it's supported on all kernels: http://serverfault.com/questions/79077/safe-to-use-an-amazon-ebs-volume-while-snapshot-in-progress
[01:57] <blair> that's your link, i meant this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1940093/
[01:58] <lifeless> the answers are fairly clear it should all work
[01:59] <lifeless> the amount of ignorance out there is unbounded :)
[02:05] <blair> lifeless, i've gotten a healthy skepticism for the word "should" in answers, been burned by stuff that "should" work in production
[02:05] <lifeless> sure
[02:15] <blair> lifeless, thanks for the suggestions, its definitely a safer solution than zfs or btrfs,
[02:37] <zorky> hello, anyone who can help me. i need to setup a dhcp server using isc-dhcp-server . but i forgot how the dhcpd.conf should look like.
[02:41] <zorky> whats commented in the dhcpd.conf file is no use. it dosen't state what should be uncommented, so make it work. and i can't find any guide on how to setup dhcp
[02:41] <tedski> zorky: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[02:43] <zorky> please explain. why i should use dhcp3 instead of isc-dhcp-server?
[02:44] <tedski> the configuration is the same
[02:45] <zorky> okay. but now comes the question. where do i put all that into the dhcpd.conf file?
[02:45] <tedski> what do you mean where?
[02:46] <zorky> the dhcpd.conf from dhcp3 . what do i copy into the dhcpd.conf from isc-dhcp-server?
[02:46] <tedski> i don't think you're understanding how it works
[02:47] <zorky> i do. the only reason why im asking for help now. is because it's the first time im seing this config file without it has been edited.
[02:47] <zorky> i work with linux servers at work. setting this up on a regulary basis. but i have never installed the dhcp service. because i allways roll out premade images, made by a coworker
[02:47] <tedski> when you install the isc-dhcp-server package, it will create /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[02:48] <tedski> open that file and read the comments
[02:48] <tedski> it explains each configuration parameter
[02:48] <tedski> you'll need to create a stanza for the subnet you wish to offer IPs for
[02:49] <tedski> and you have the option to push some things like dns servers, routers, etc. through that stanza
[02:49] <tedski> you can also do static-dhcp if you wish
[02:50] <tedski> at the minimum you'd have a default-lease-time, max-lease-time, authoritative, and subnet
[02:51] <tedski> does that make sense?
[02:51] <zorky> tedski, default-lease-time 600;
[02:51] <zorky> max-lease-time 7200;
[02:51] <zorky> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[02:51] <zorky> option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
[02:51] <zorky> option routers 192.168.1.254;
[02:51] <zorky> option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2;
[02:51] <zorky> option domain-name "mydomain.example";
[02:51] <zorky> subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[02:51] <zorky> range 192.168.1.10 192.168.1.100;
[02:51] <zorky> range 192.168.1.150 192.168.1.200;
[02:51] <zorky> }
[02:51] <zorky> as i recall. the dhcpd.conf look something like that. and only that from the work servers.
[02:51] <tedski> okay, do you understand what each option is saying?
[02:52] <zorky> somewhat. yes
[02:52] <RoyK> !pastebin
[02:52] <tedski> zorky: you'll want to put theoption statements into the subnet stanza
[02:52] <tedski> since they are specific to that subnet
[02:53] <tedski> zorky: also, if you don't have a need for 2 ranges,  you might as well just remove one
[03:10] <zorky> it didn't work. and im getting anoyed i can't get it to work
[03:10] <zorky>  can anyone send me a pastebin with a working dhcpd.conf file and your interface file?
[03:29] <zorky> anyone who will be kind and help me out with this? i need a dhcpd.conf and interface pastebin.?
[03:43] <zorky> anyone?
[04:28] <SpamapS> ^serverguie
[04:29] <SpamapS> !serverguide
[04:29] <SpamapS> zor^
[04:30] <SpamapS> bah
[10:57] <Diegonat> hi guys! Do you know any software to monitor what users in the network do ? What website do they surf and for how long?
[11:11] <ogra_> Diegonat, have a look at wireshark ... though that needs some level of background knowledge how networking and all its layers work
[11:11] <Diegonat> ogra_, but that is not a proper solution... is it not a workaround?
[11:12] <ogra_> it is the best tool to see what packages go from where to where and which protocol they use
[11:13] <ogra_> not sure how much more proper it can get :)
[11:13] <ogra_> if you are not an experienced network admin the sheer amount of data it gives you might be a bit overwhelming ...
[11:27] <eagles0513875_> hey guys im looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew does that setup spamassassin to use baysian filtering?
[11:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: no
[11:30] <ikonia> there is a link on that page to more detailed tuning, see if that does
[11:30] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: that page does not exist yet
[11:30] <ikonia> then "no" is the short answer
[11:31] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok but at least that is a good start for spam filtering which can be tweaked to use baysian filtering at a later point in time no?
[11:31] <ikonia> there is no setup defined, look at what it doesn' it just enables the default config
[11:34] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok so i would need to read the documentation for amavis spamassassin and clamav and configure accordingly
[11:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: do you know how to do it without reading hte documentation ?
[11:35] <eagles0513875_> sadly not i can read the man pages and figure things out that way
[11:35] <ikonia> ok, so there is your answer. Do you need to read the documentation, well as you don't know how to do it without reading the documentation, the answer is "yes"
[11:36] <ikonia> although to be honest, I think you are making a rod for your own back
[11:36] <ikonia> but that's up to you
[11:44] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: seems like there is a really neat configuration tool for spamassassin cofiguration
[11:44] <eagles0513875_> that will create the config
[11:44] <ikonia> I'd advise against it
[11:44] <ikonia> I'd advise you actually learn how to do it
[11:45] <eagles0513875_> ok
[11:45] <ikonia> but then again - that is your normal approach, short cut, no understanding of how it works then ask in IRC to spoonfeed when it's broken
[11:45] <ikonia> totally up to you
[11:45] <eagles0513875_> im actually goign to take your advice and read the documentation
[12:02] <Diegonat> ogra_, thank you but it is not what im looking for
[12:02] <Diegonat> Do you know any software to monitor what users in the network do ? What website do they surf and for how long?
[12:47] <histo> Diegonat: wireshark?
[12:49] <histo> Diegonat: there are a ton of network monitors now that I look
[12:52] <RoyK> Diegonat: erm - spying on users isn't good
[12:52] <RoyK> Diegonat: if you really want to, use a proxy and analyze the logs
[13:28] <Diegonat> histo, RoyK, my client wants it so I need to do it. However I need something to log their activity and an easy GUI for my client to use it...
[13:28] <RoyK> Diegonat: then setup transparent proxying
[13:28] <Diegonat> squid?
[13:29] <histo> Diegonat: nothing is jumping out at me i'm. Sure forums or askubuntu may help in your search.
[13:29] <RoyK> yes, but to do it transparently, you need a router supporting that
[13:29] <Diegonat> RoyK, I use an ubuntu server as router
[13:29] <RoyK> that works - iptables + squid for transparent proxying is easy
[13:30] <Diegonat> RoyK, but the logs will be file texts thta my client cannot see
[13:30] <RoyK> yes, then you need some sort of tool to visualize those logs
[13:30] <RoyK> I guess there are several out there
[13:31] <RoyK> or perhaps you should ask your client if it's legal, or morally good, to spy on employees
[13:31] <Diegonat> RoyK, I cannot find anything
[13:31] <Diegonat> RoyK, in england 80% of companies do that
[13:31] <RoyK> Diegonat: I don't know, and I don't want to help out either - it's morally low
[13:32] <RoyK> Diegonat: 7 billion flies can't be wrong: Eat shit!
[13:32] <Diegonat> RoyK, i agree
[13:32] <histo> Diegonat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers#Monitoring
[13:33] <Diegonat> histo, im not sure that is what i need
[13:33] <histo> Diegonat: http://nagios.org/ this looks promissing
[13:35] <Diegonat> histo, nagios is to monitor services status
[13:37] <Diegonat> I need something like http://www.awarenesstechnologies.com
[13:37] <Diegonat> but less intrusive
[13:38] <dannyjoris> hi, I set up Ubuntu Server as a VM in virtualbox, but I can't ping the IP. THe network settings are NAT & Host-Only. It's a fresh install so I assume I need to configure it. ANy idea how?
[13:39] <Diegonat> dannyjoris, if you can use bridge mode, easier
[13:41] <dannyjoris> Diegonat: yeah, but isn't that less secure? All my other VM's work with NAT & Host only
[13:41] <Diegonat> dannyjoris, depends on what you need
[13:41] <Diegonat> however it is difficult to troubleshot like that
[13:41] <Diegonat> do u have firewalls?
[13:42] <dannyjoris> it's just for testing purposes. I'm at home.
[13:42] <dannyjoris> so I guess I could just use bridged
[13:42] <Diegonat> yes
[13:43] <dannyjoris> :)
[14:23] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: do you midn if i ask you a question regarding amavis and postfix
[14:27] <ikonia> sure,
[14:28] <ikonia> if I know it I'll answer
[14:28] <ikonia> I don't really use amavis though
[14:29] <histo> What do you use?
[14:29] <greetasdf> hi everyone!
[14:29] <ikonia> for spam filtering ?
[14:29] <ikonia> or for something else ?
[14:29] <histo> doesn't amavis just forward mail through spam and av filters?
[14:30] <ikonia> pretty much, it's a pass through
[14:31] <greetasdf> guys I really need some help, I deleted /usr/share/doc/openvpn/easy-rsa* with rm -r and can't find the package to reinstall this... what can I do?
[14:31] <greetasdf> I tried google and askubuntu for some time now and Im going crazy
[14:32] <ikonia> greetasdf: surly it would be part of openvpn ?
[14:32] <greetasdf> well I tried apt-get install --reinstall openvpn
[14:32] <greetasdf> :(
[14:32] <ikonia> and it's it just some documentation ?
[14:32] <greetasdf> well it contains specific files to openvpn config, which all tuts on openvpn start with
[14:33] <greetasdf> I'm sorta lost without them
[14:33] <ikonia> the config is held in the documentation directory ? that sounds wrong
[14:33] <greetasdf> this is the tut I was following https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/openvpn.html
[14:33] <greetasdf> although I'm on 12.04
[14:34] <greetasdf> the cp command would be cp -r /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/* /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/
[14:34] <ikonia> ah, so you're copying the examples from the doucmentation to the config directory
[14:34] <greetasdf> exactly
[14:35] <greetasdf> and I wanted to do a fresh reinstall and thought it's a part of the openvpn package
[14:35] <greetasdf> fail :/
[14:35] <ikonia> it should be part of it
[14:35] <ikonia> greetasdf: try removing the package / purging it and re-adding it
[14:35] <ikonia> the documentation should normally be in the base package
[14:35] <greetasdf> I tried apt-get remove --purge openvpn and reinstall
[14:35] <greetasdf> I only removed part of the documentation weirdly enough
[14:36] <ikonia> there is a command...apt-file (I think) that can tell you what package a file belongs to
[14:36] <ikonia> I don't have an ubuntu machine here to confirm the apt-file syntax
[14:37] <greetasdf> that would be great, let me check
[14:47] <greetasdf> ok so I thought I was being smart and apt-get removing openvpn and checking the doc files for leftovers
[14:47] <greetasdf> then using apt-file to identify the package
[14:47] <greetasdf> turns out the dir is empty
[14:47] <greetasdf> I'm clueless
[14:48] <greetasdf> can it be that hard to copy openvpn example files? I just couldn't find them anywhere online
[14:48] <ikonia> greetasdf: it's not hard to copy them if you use the right command, you are the one who removed them
[14:49] <greetasdf> yes I know it's my fault :)
[14:49] <greetasdf> but I thought it would be easy to copy them from somewhere else?
[14:49] <ikonia> such as ?
[14:49] <greetasdf> well if I knew that I wouldn't be a noob in this chatroom asking around...
[14:50] <greetasdf> I would get it and extract the files and copy them
[14:50] <greetasdf> :(
[14:50] <ikonia> greetasdf: I would concentrate on getting the package that supplies them corretly re-installed
[14:50] <ikonia> that would be the simplest approach
[14:52] <greetasdf> ha! see, I googled the openvpn package and found the files
[14:52] <greetasdf> ok so now I'm going to transfer the missing files from my windows 7 pc to ubuntu ... that really seems stupid
[14:52] <greetasdf> but thanks for the help
[14:52] <ikonia> greetasdf: as long as you are sure they are the same ones included in the ubuntu package
[14:53] <greetasdf> hm.
[14:53] <greetasdf> it says 2.2.1 but I think it installed 2.3
[14:54] <greetasdf> I'm sure of it actually
[14:54] <greetasdf> thanks for the good point sir
[14:55] <greetasdf> but I guess http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openvpn will provide the newest packages no?
[14:55] <ikonia> it will provide you with versions for each release.
[14:56] <ikonia> I again suggest working out/fixing the broken package
[14:56] <greetasdf> but I tried everything, apt-get remove --purge and --reinstall and install :(
[15:01] <greetasdf> ok thanks, unfortunately I've run out of time, maybe it's because openvpn published a new version 2.3 which may be incompatible with any older tutorials...
[15:02] <greetasdf> have a great day
[15:02] <patdk-lap> heh?
[15:02] <patdk-lap> I haven't had any issues with 2.3 at all
[16:43] <mhills> join /ubuntu
[18:46] <SaidKLE> Question: I have ubuntu server with ubuntu-desktop installed for gui on a laptop for testing and development purposes. How do I get wifi connections working in Network Manager?
[18:56] <SaidKLE> Anyone?
[18:58] <RoyK> SaidKLE: that's not a server question ;) try #ubuntu
[19:13] <SaidKLE> that's what they told me over there...
[19:19] <bobka> I installed ubuntu 12.04 server LTS. grub menu comes up fine. Then vertical scrolling. ATI ES1000, old VGA monitor. Rig work with Knoppix Live CD.
[19:20] <bobka> Can't translate knoppix "nodrm" into grub - if that is the issue
[19:22] <bobka> lol - lotsa nicks - no traffic = no help?
[19:22] <ikonia> bobka: try being patient
[19:22] <bobka> ok!
[19:23] <xnox> bobka: nodrm is linux-kernel command line boot option....
[19:23] <bobka> thx how do i tell grub that?
[19:27] <bobka> I couldn't find docs or anything on nodrm. Don't know the acronym.
[19:43] <bobka> I've set GRUB_GFXMODE=640X480X24 in etc/default/grub which is correct. And I've looked at headers in etc/grub.d, but I'm stuck. Don't think vsync or hsync are relevant.
[20:16] <bobka> ...
[20:17] <PryMar56> bobka, we do server here. Append text to kernel cmdline
[20:19] <bobka> ??
[20:20] <bobka> #ubuntu-kernel?
[20:21] <ikonia> who said anything about #ubuntu-kernel channels ?
 bobka, we do server here. Append text to kernel cmdline
[20:22] <tedski> bobka: he means in the kernel cmdline in grub
[20:23] <ikonia> bobka: adding a boot up option does not mean "join #ubuntu-kernel irc channel"
[20:26] <bobka> tedski okay, I assume grub> is the command line. what text?
[20:27] <tedski> bobka: google is your friend
[20:28] <tedski> bobka: "how to enter kernel options grub" would be a good start
[20:29] <bobka> brb - wait for me! :)
[21:21] <bobka> tedski - no DRM related options to the command line fixed the vertical scrolling
[21:41] <bobka> (DRM = Direct Rendering Management)
[21:42] <bobka> I tried gamma=[HW, DRM] w/wo r128=[HW, DRM] w/wo nodrm - no luck :(
[21:46] <tedski> bobka: can you explain the problem more clearly?
[21:51] <bobka> my old vga crt rolls after grub menu. I know it is possible to fix because knoppix CD runs fine with a few parameters.  what else would u like 2 know?
[21:54] <james2013> hello
[21:54] <bobka> knoppix params: screen=640x480 depth=24 nodrm. I edited etc/default/grub > 640x480x24
[21:55] <james2013> is there a better guide to follow then this ? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-12.04-lts-apache2-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3 or is this considered the best setup guide
[21:56] <tedski> bobka: that's a vsync issue
[21:56] <tedski> bobka: at least in my opinion
[21:57]  * tedski reminisces turning the vsync screws on the back of old tubes
[21:57] <james2013> tedski, i remember that also. But I also used to own arcade machines and had to deal with that often
[21:58] <tedski> james2013: "best" is subjective
[21:58] <bobka> ok. where does vsync=60 go? BTW I didn't need it in knoppix, although i had it added originally.
[22:00] <bobka> lol don't even know the hsync on this dinosaur.
[22:00] <tedski> why can't you just blink your eyes 60 times per second?
[22:01] <bobka> ...haven't tried that yet,...
[22:02] <bobka> no, doesn't work either
[22:02] <tedski> bobka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[22:03]  * tedski &
[22:04] <bobka> NO Tedski,  789 that is for resolution - been there, done that!
[22:05] <bobka> BTW, this monitor is pre VESA 2
[22:05] <bobka> 1991 - Were you even born yet?
[22:07] <james2013> tedski, know of a better guide ?
[22:10] <bobka> james: subjective as in what do you want to do with your server.
[22:11] <james2013> bobka, standard web server mainly
[22:12] <bobka> ubuntu-12.04-lts-apache2 install comes with one button openssh dns lamp samba, etc..
[22:13] <ikonia> one button ?
[22:13] <bobka> I don't remember if Apache2 was a seperate option.
[22:13] <ikonia> what the hell is ubuntu-12.040-lts-apache2 ?
[22:13] <bobka> tasksel
[22:14] <ikonia> why don't you just install apache....or the lamp group ?
[22:14] <bobka> my bad, ubuntu-12.04-lts
[22:15] <ikonia> why do you keep saying ubuntu-12.04-lts ?
[22:15] <bobka> exactly my point.
[22:15] <ikonia> sorry, am I missing what you're saying ?
[22:16] <james2013> I was just asking because I searched google for ubuntu 12.04 server setup guide and that url was one of the first links
[22:16] <ikonia> james2013: https://help.ubuntu.com - there is a server guide
[22:16] <bobka> ikonia: read james previous entry
[22:16] <ikonia> james2013: installing an official product, considered reading official documentation ?
[22:17] <bobka> he has the howtoforge guide
[22:17] <ikonia> yes, and thats rubbish
[22:17] <bobka> lol
[22:17] <ikonia> why would you read 3rd party stuff over the official stuff ?
[22:18] <bobka> so, any help for my server install?
[22:18] <ikonia> you need to explain the problem
[22:18] <ikonia> rather than saying "any help" as that means nothing
[22:19] <bobka> [17:51] <bobka> my old vga crt rolls after grub menu. I know it is possible to fix because knoppix CD runs fine with a few parameters.
[22:20] <ikonia> "rolls"?
[22:20] <histo> bobka: pass the same parameters that you use in knoppix
[22:20] <bobka> yes rolls
[22:20] <ikonia> bobka: what do you mean my crt rolls ?
[22:20] <histo> ikonia: I think he means vsync
[22:20] <histo> That would be my guess
[22:21] <ikonia> histo: possibly....be nice if he could clarify
[22:21] <bobka> [17:54] <bobka> knoppix params: screen=640x480 depth=24 nodrm. I edited etc/default/grub > 640x480x24
[22:21] <james2013> sounds like you either have the wrong resolution set or the refresh rate
[22:21] <ikonia> bobka: /etc/default/grub won't change anything
[22:21] <ikonia> bobka: you need to rebuild the config
[22:21] <bobka> good to know!
[22:21] <histo> ikonia: edit /etc/default/grub and sudo update-grub
[22:21] <ikonia> yes, I know how to do it
[22:22] <bobka> I don't, please explain?
[22:22] <ikonia> pretty much exactly what histo has just said
[22:23] <bobka> already did that. (many times)
[22:23] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:23] <histo> ikonia: sorry didn't mean to send it to you.
[22:24] <ikonia> histo: not a problem
[22:24] <histo> bobka: hvae you tried booting with nomodeset kernel option?
[22:24] <bobka> the issue seems to be nodrm. i added that as a kernel option, but no luck.
[22:24] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:25] <histo> !nomodeset | bobka
[22:25] <bobka> like GFX_mode=640x480x24
[22:26] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:27] <bobka> I read grub & grub2 no help.
[22:27] <ikonia> bobka: what parameters did you add to your /etc/defaut/grub
[22:27] <ikonia> actually - I'm tired of asking
[22:28] <ikonia> good luck, I'm not interested any more
[22:28] <bobka> thx buddy
[22:39] <dannyjoris> I'm fairly new to server configuration, but is it ok to have php5-dev installed on a production environment? There's some pecl libraries that are dependent on it.
[22:42] <ikonia> dannyjoris: not something I'd recommend especially if you have compilers there too
[22:55] <bobka> I had GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480x24 . But adding GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" fixed the problem!!