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penguin42moreati: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/01:34
redtape-renegadepenguin42: Yep, I was affected by the yahoo password thingy.06:06
redtape-renegadeMorning all .06:06
popeyMorning08:19
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kvarleyWhat FS type should I use for my external HDD? I need to use it on OS X and Linux09:34
kvarleyI've seen online that UDF might be the way to go09:34
directhexkvarley, fat32, unless you need files >4GB10:19
popey+110:22
directhexwifey wanted a windows reinstall this weekend, but has done no prep10:24
directhexe.g. list of apps to reinstall10:24
popeypeople prep their windows reinstalls?10:26
popeyi thought they just reinstalled and crossed their fingers10:26
directhexa managed reinstall demands a managed approach10:30
directhexe.g. find install media10:30
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:40
dwatkinsallo allo10:43
brobostigonmorning dwatkins10:45
MartijnVdSIs Flickr/Yahoo slow for anyone else?10:49
redtape-renegadeMartijnVdS, Not really on uk site .. but a lot of passwords were hacked recently.. althou the two are not that related.10:50
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: nah it just takes ages to upload/download my photos10:50
MartijnVdSeven though I have 100/100 fibre on this end ;)10:51
redtape-renegadeoh ok .. not tried.10:51
redtape-renegade.. they're doing it again ! A tumbleweed just went by my house :(10:52
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: time to walk out into the street and duel the bad guy?10:55
redtape-renegadeMartijnVdS, No, I was out at 7am to get a black jack chew bar.. It's still as cold as 9pm last night . when my face almost froze off !11:07
redtape-renegadeMy question is : Is there any point to Sunday's ??11:08
* MartijnVdS was out at the coast.. that almost froze my face off :)11:08
MartijnVdSbut I survived!11:08
redtape-renegademm.. I think we should have a coffee nex time I'm over in Leiden .. on me.11:09
redtape-renegade.. that ferry from Hull is like getting onboard a soviet vessel though :)11:10
redtape-renegade..oh well shall we share music MartijnVdS until people wake up ?11:14
redtape-renegadehttp://open.spotify.com/track/5gJjQyEN8PjubKf0fR6hxv Hello Sunday .. may the Sunday driver keep outta sight.11:19
MartijnVdSredtape-renegade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157632958666235/with/8543696251/11:19
redtape-renegadeopening...11:19
redtape-renegademmm11:22
redtape-renegadeDuingebied11:22
redtape-renegade is snowy .. reminds me of froze bite with wet mittens .. not good for children..11:22
redtape-renegadedon't know why the linage thing happened there ?11:23
redtape-renegade** frost-bite ..11:24
redtape-renegadeMMmm . redtape-renegade does a tour of http://www.frostbitemedia.org/11:25
directhexi was interviewed by those guys11:28
neuro<10:50> redtape-renegade: MartijnVdS, Not really on uk site .. but a lot of passwords were hacked recently.. althou the two are not that related.12:05
neuroredtape-renegade: what hack are you referring to?12:06
neuroand since Yahoooooo! and flickr share authentication methods, yes, they are that related12:06
penguin42neuro: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/ ?12:06
neurooh good grief ... :(12:07
neuroglad i don't use yahoo mail then12:07
* penguin42 posted that url about 10 hours ago to someone (who asked last week) - sorry forget their nick now12:08
neuronp12:08
neuroi was asleep most of yesterday so missed that12:08
neurodid a 13 hour simcity sesh on friday night and paid the price for it :)12:08
penguin42hehe12:08
neuroonce you can actually get logged into it, it's a wonderful game12:09
neuronow i'm just hoping that my PC purchase grants me a free copy of the mac version, a la Steam purchases12:10
neuroalthough, knowing EA ... probably not12:10
neurofirst time though that I've purchased a game, and could have in theory not actually bothered taking the DVD out of the box12:11
neuroit comes with an Origin activation key, so you could just whack that into Origin and download the game12:12
* neuro is a bit of a PC games noob (in theory), so this is all odd to my console-gaming self :)12:12
neurohow are people finding Steam on linux, enjoying it?12:13
manohi12:13
neurohellooooo12:15
manomay you help me plz i face a problem12:16
directhexi don't know anything about origin on mac12:16
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manoi use ubuntu studio not mac12:16
neurodirecthex: well it's not so much origin itself, whether or not they automatically grant you mac licences for pc games you've bought12:16
neurothey being EA12:17
neurowill wait and see12:17
neuroapparently simcity will be DL only on mac, so the £33 i paid in tesco would likely not be the cost I'd pay direct to EA :P12:17
neuroanyway12:17
neuromano: directhex was answering something i'd said before you joined12:17
neurowhat's your question? :)12:18
manoso !12:18
directhexneuro, i don't see any precedent, as EA don't have mac versions on steam for their mac games (e.g. the sims 3)12:18
neurodirecthex: they do on origin12:18
neurobut there's no way i'm buying sims 3 to find out ;)12:18
directhexLike Valve’s Steam Play initiative, select EA titles purchased from Origin will work on both PC and Mac12:19
directhexno definition of "select" there12:19
neuroya12:19
shaunonot sure you have to buy anything to find out.  just install origin on your mac, login to your account, and see what shows up12:19
neuroshauno: simcity for mac only has an indeterminate "spring 2013" release date, it's not out yet12:19
shaunoah, I see12:20
neuroseems mano didn't want to ask their question :P12:20
neurointeresting ... simcity shows up in my account along with bf3 and bf1942, but they all say "Game only available on Windows"12:21
neurowill wait and see if that changes ;)12:21
mh0neuro: Correction: He didn't want to wait for someone to finish first, such is impatience12:21
neuroi did say "what's your question"12:22
neurorighty ho, i'm off to forage for some lunch ... I think I may have a quiche in the fridge \o/12:23
redtape-renegadeoh Happy Mother's Day BTW..13:09
Laneythanks son13:20
bigcalmNext year I'm going to send a 'happy birthday' card13:55
bigcalmBetter yet, 'happy birthday dad'13:55
jacobwWhen did pdf.js land in Firefox? I've just started to notice it14:02
penguin42a few months I think, it's been annoying me for that long14:03
ikoniaany of the Ubuntu UK guys audophiles17:54
MartijnVdSikonia: "normal" people who know audio, or weirdos that want gold-infused cables with contacts that were kissed by virgins for that extra sound quality?18:04
ikoniaMartijnVdS: more in the normal world18:04
ikoniaas I think the extreme stuff would be over my head by a mile, or two18:04
MartijnVdSyou won't hear the extreme stuff.. it's all "I hear it because I paid a lot of money" psychological effect18:05
ikoniaquite the opposite18:05
ikoniaI've just been reading about a really small little valve amp and wanted to get a more educated view on it than my mortal understanding18:06
jacobwikonia: What have you read about so far?18:49
ikoniajacobw: just positive reviews of a little amp called a miniwatt19:07
redtape-renegadeikonia, I don't know about the source as I just get whatever comes out of the 5.1-card headphone jack.. but as I move around the house a lot that leaves only two or three possible headphones that I can use ..19:58
ikoniaredtape-renegade: sorry, wasn't talking about using this with a PC19:59
ikoniaredtape-renegade: just thought about it as a nice little amp for a turn table19:59
redtape-renegadethis is because they are regarded as closed loop (closedf source I'm afraid) .. by Sennheiser. The reason no of the others work is that it is possible to pick up the audio on some of the modern baby monitors, so the options are few.20:00
redtape-renegadeikonia, I dont think I've ever played a record TBHonest.. i have spotify which is 320kbps  .. who needs anything else ?20:01
ikoniaredtape-renegade: just have some old records, that I bought a turn table to re-play20:02
ikoniahence a small good value amp, this seemed interesting20:02
redtape-renegadeIf you want to join that community there are a couple of people you can share music choices with on this channel .. otherwise how does thatr help us ?20:02
ikoniasorry what  ? how does it help you20:03
ikoniajoin what community ?20:03
redtape-renegadeyou have to understand that this is a sharing community..20:04
redtape-renegadeSpotify..20:04
ikoniawhat are you talking about20:04
redtape-renegadeGIYF.20:04
ikoniawhat ?20:04
ikoniaI just asked for a more experienced view on this small value value amp20:04
ikoniawhy are you talking about community/sharing/spotify20:04
redtape-renegadewhat community do you belong to , then ?20:05
ikoniawhat are you talking about community ?20:05
ikoniaI've not asked for any community20:05
ikoniaI just asked if anyone was more experienced in audio technology to give a more experienced view on this amp that seems reasonable value20:06
ikoniaor have I missed what you are trying to say20:06
redtape-renegadeIdon't think we are on the same page . Good luck with your electronic thingy.20:07
ikoniaredtape-renegade: sorry, am I missing what you are trying to say ?20:07
ikoniaredtape-renegade: if you could try again,20:08
shaunominiwatt's website is .. interesting20:10
ikoniashauno: yeah, it looks like it's been taken down to the minimum waiting for a new product release.20:11
shaunoI've been looking at getting a turntavble too, but sticker shock seems to be the name of the game now20:13
Myrttihow much is it?20:16
ikoniashauno: I find an excellent pioneer (excellent in terms of usable for home use and good quality) for £80 which I thought was worth while as it was around £400 new20:16
ikoniaMartijnVdS: £150-ish20:17
ikoniaoops20:17
ikoniaMyrtti: the amp is around £126 - £15020:17
Myrttidoes it really use valves?20:17
popeyvalves and big dials it appears20:17
popeyI read a rather good review of it earlier20:17
Myrttiwow.20:18
popeyhttp://www.hifivision.com/reviews/5648-miniwatt-tube-amplifier.html20:18
ikonia(to just play a few old records)20:18
ikoniapopey: yes, the reviews seem positive and good value, hence why it maybe a good investment for a little amp20:18
shaunoand chunky transformers judging from the boxes behind the valves20:18
yarinsehola, como puedo desintalar android?20:19
popeymy ears probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and a crappy amp from Tandy20:19
ikoniapopey: with records the sound does tend to be more extreme difference depending on the amp / speakers20:20
popeythat may be, but I stick by my assertion ☺20:20
ikoniastill for £126 / £150 for something that can be tucked away, it seems reasonable20:21
ikoniaalmost a little too good to be true20:21
shaunoI think I'd trust a no-name chinese more than tandy these days :/20:22
ikoniaalso don't seem to be too many around at the moment, but if it is a good value as it seems, I'll dig one out20:22
popeywell, the amp i am thinking of that I had in my youth from Tandy was a Memorex brand iirc20:22
popeywhich did fine driving my TDL RTL-2's20:23
popeywhich I miss20:23
shaunotandy as a whole was quite a different beast in your youth though20:23
shaunolast time I saw one, they appeared to specialise in cellphone cases20:23
popeyi still have the RTL-2's in the loft but the drivers are wrecked20:24
ikoniaI have an old 80's pioneer amp that will work fine, but it's quite big, I thought this maybe a nice replacement20:24
popeywould love to get them up and running again20:24
ikoniapopey: are you electronically savvy enough to ?20:24
popeyto replace speakers, yeah20:25
ikoniaah, it's just the speakers thats gone20:25
popeyyup20:25
* popey drifts into fond memories of ~20 years ago20:26
popeyblimey, time flies20:26
ikoniahalf the reason I want to play some old records20:26
ikoniaI bought the CD's of them, but they basicall transfered the recordings onto CD and it's not gone across well20:27
ikoniathe records still sound good when played though20:27
popeyi need some bzr help...20:27
popey\o/ rtfm works20:30
popey\o/ success20:40
popeybug 115334620:41
lubotu3bug 1153346 in Phablet Tools "phablet-flash should have a "download only" option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115334620:41
popeythis is where we discover I can't actually write python :D20:41
ali1234how do i view the code?20:45
ali1234http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/phablet-tools/download-only/revision/64?start_revid=6420:46
ali1234well your indent style doesn't seem to follow the rest20:48
ali1234but apart from that it looks ok20:48
ali1234lines 89-94 need one more space20:49
ali1234oh, why not use parse.add_mutually_exclusive_group()?20:50
ali1234hmm... i'm gonna rewrite this, ok?20:52
popeyknock yourself out20:54
popeyi thought I used the same indent, thanks for noticing20:55
ali1234how do i propose a patch on top of your proposed patch?20:55
ali1234what does "autodetect fails device" mean?20:58
popeybad english20:59
popeyit just means "it's not in the list of supported devices"20:59
popeyi.e. gnex, n7, n4, n1020:59
popeybut using the codenames of course21:00
ali1234so why not just say "unsupported device" - it's not even trying to autodetect?21:00
popeyit used to21:00
popeyi _think_21:00
ali1234it does, if a device is plugged in21:00
ali1234did you break that?21:00
ali1234"requires target device"21:01
* popey checks21:01
popeyit detected my grouper21:01
ali1234so if you just say -D now, it still detects it and only downloads the images?21:01
ali1234i would implement this as -D(on't flash)21:02
popeynice21:03
ali1234rather than -D(ownload only)21:03
popeyno -D fails (as it should)21:03
popeyalan@deep-thought:~$ phablet-flash -D21:03
popeyDevice type must be specified when in download only mode21:03
ali1234why should it?21:03
popeyoh, i see21:03
popeybum21:03
* popey unlinks the merge and plays more21:03
popeygood call21:03
ali1234-d should be optional21:03
ali1234override, if you want to get the image and don't have the device21:04
ali1234ooo it's snowing :S21:05
popeyphew! that was close, misclicked "merge" instead of "rejected"21:05
popeythen corrected :D21:06
ali1234welll you can always rebase :P21:07
AlanBellevening all21:16
AlanBellanyone seen this kind of thing from Banshee or rhythmbox when trying to copy music to an iPad? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602689/21:17
AlanBellFailed to save iPod database - GLib.GException: Unsupported checksum type (in `libgpod-sharp')21:17
AlanBellgot dad a USB turntable thing and showed him how to record stuff in Audacity and save as MP3, it plays great in rhythmbox or banshee but copying it to the ipad in the way he normally copies stuff fails21:21
AlanBellhe was dead impressed that banshee managed to look up the album cover art from the name21:21
ali1234hmm detect_device bombs out with exit 0 so no chance to print a helpful error message if there's no device plugged in21:26
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ali1234popey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/phablet-tools/download-only/revision/6421:33
popeyali1234: much better21:39
popeyyou should propose that for merging and attach to the bug ☺21:40
popey(thanks)21:40
ali1234yeah cos i know how to do that :)21:40
popeyheh, i only found out 40 mins ago!21:41
popeyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/phablet-tools/download-only click Propose for merging21:41
popeyit should already know where to merge it to21:42
popeyalso below that is a Link a bug report21:42
popeybut the bug number in.. job done21:42
popeys/but/put/21:42
popeyjenkins will do it's CI magic, then wait till tomorrow when a human will review and merge it21:42
ali1234is this code covered by the CLA?21:48
popeygood question, no idea21:49
ali1234i never signed CLA, got a patch into ubuntu achievements though :)21:49
popeyask rsalveti perhaps?21:49
popeyheh21:49
ali1234i like how lp waits a bit before sending emails and bundles up all changes, instead of spamming me to death21:53
popeyyeah, it never used to21:53
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redtape-renegadeJust a bit of candy for the eyes with a coding slant for the week's end :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eBV14-3LT-g23:24
ali1234cinder looks cool23:43
ali1234i could have used something like that a couple of years ago23:43
ali1234ended up just writing my own :/23:43

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