[01:34] <penguin42> moreati: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/
[06:06] <redtape-renegade> penguin42: Yep, I was affected by the yahoo password thingy.
[06:06] <redtape-renegade> Morning all .
[08:19] <popey> Morning
[09:34] <kvarley> What FS type should I use for my external HDD? I need to use it on OS X and Linux
[09:34] <kvarley> I've seen online that UDF might be the way to go
[10:19] <directhex> kvarley, fat32, unless you need files >4GB
[10:22] <popey> +1
[10:24] <directhex> wifey wanted a windows reinstall this weekend, but has done no prep
[10:24] <directhex> e.g. list of apps to reinstall
[10:26] <popey> people prep their windows reinstalls?
[10:26] <popey> i thought they just reinstalled and crossed their fingers
[10:30] <directhex> a managed reinstall demands a managed approach
[10:30] <directhex> e.g. find install media
[10:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:43] <dwatkins> allo allo
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> Is Flickr/Yahoo slow for anyone else?
[10:50] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Not really on uk site .. but a lot of passwords were hacked recently.. althou the two are not that related.
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: nah it just takes ages to upload/download my photos
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> even though I have 100/100 fibre on this end ;)
[10:51] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. not tried.
[10:52] <redtape-renegade> .. they're doing it again ! A tumbleweed just went by my house :(
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: time to walk out into the street and duel the bad guy?
[11:07] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, No, I was out at 7am to get a black jack chew bar.. It's still as cold as 9pm last night . when my face almost froze off !
[11:08] <redtape-renegade> My question is : Is there any point to Sunday's ??
[11:08]  * MartijnVdS was out at the coast.. that almost froze my face off :)
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> but I survived!
[11:09] <redtape-renegade> mm.. I think we should have a coffee nex time I'm over in Leiden .. on me.
[11:10] <redtape-renegade> .. that ferry from Hull is like getting onboard a soviet vessel though :)
[11:14] <redtape-renegade> ..oh well shall we share music MartijnVdS until people wake up ?
[11:19] <redtape-renegade> http://open.spotify.com/track/5gJjQyEN8PjubKf0fR6hxv Hello Sunday .. may the Sunday driver keep outta sight.
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157632958666235/with/8543696251/
[11:19] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[11:22] <redtape-renegade> mmm
[11:22] <redtape-renegade> Duingebied
[11:22] <redtape-renegade>  is snowy .. reminds me of froze bite with wet mittens .. not good for children..
[11:23] <redtape-renegade> don't know why the linage thing happened there ?
[11:24] <redtape-renegade> ** frost-bite ..
[11:25] <redtape-renegade> MMmm . redtape-renegade does a tour of http://www.frostbitemedia.org/
[11:28] <directhex> i was interviewed by those guys
 redtape-renegade: MartijnVdS, Not really on uk site .. but a lot of passwords were hacked recently.. althou the two are not that related.
[12:06] <neuro> redtape-renegade: what hack are you referring to?
[12:06] <neuro> and since Yahoooooo! and flickr share authentication methods, yes, they are that related
[12:06] <penguin42> neuro: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/ ?
[12:07] <neuro> oh good grief ... :(
[12:07] <neuro> glad i don't use yahoo mail then
[12:08]  * penguin42 posted that url about 10 hours ago to someone (who asked last week) - sorry forget their nick now
[12:08] <neuro> np
[12:08] <neuro> i was asleep most of yesterday so missed that
[12:08] <neuro> did a 13 hour simcity sesh on friday night and paid the price for it :)
[12:08] <penguin42> hehe
[12:09] <neuro> once you can actually get logged into it, it's a wonderful game
[12:10] <neuro> now i'm just hoping that my PC purchase grants me a free copy of the mac version, a la Steam purchases
[12:10] <neuro> although, knowing EA ... probably not
[12:11] <neuro> first time though that I've purchased a game, and could have in theory not actually bothered taking the DVD out of the box
[12:12] <neuro> it comes with an Origin activation key, so you could just whack that into Origin and download the game
[12:12]  * neuro is a bit of a PC games noob (in theory), so this is all odd to my console-gaming self :)
[12:13] <neuro> how are people finding Steam on linux, enjoying it?
[12:13] <mano> hi
[12:15] <neuro> hellooooo
[12:16] <mano> may you help me plz i face a problem
[12:16] <directhex> i don't know anything about origin on mac
[12:16] <mano> i use ubuntu studio not mac
[12:16] <neuro> directhex: well it's not so much origin itself, whether or not they automatically grant you mac licences for pc games you've bought
[12:17] <neuro> they being EA
[12:17] <neuro> will wait and see
[12:17] <neuro> apparently simcity will be DL only on mac, so the £33 i paid in tesco would likely not be the cost I'd pay direct to EA :P
[12:17] <neuro> anyway
[12:17] <neuro> mano: directhex was answering something i'd said before you joined
[12:18] <neuro> what's your question? :)
[12:18] <mano> so !
[12:18] <directhex> neuro, i don't see any precedent, as EA don't have mac versions on steam for their mac games (e.g. the sims 3)
[12:18] <neuro> directhex: they do on origin
[12:18] <neuro> but there's no way i'm buying sims 3 to find out ;)
[12:19] <directhex> Like Valve’s Steam Play initiative, select EA titles purchased from Origin will work on both PC and Mac
[12:19] <directhex> no definition of "select" there
[12:19] <neuro> ya
[12:19] <shauno> not sure you have to buy anything to find out.  just install origin on your mac, login to your account, and see what shows up
[12:19] <neuro> shauno: simcity for mac only has an indeterminate "spring 2013" release date, it's not out yet
[12:20] <shauno> ah, I see
[12:20] <neuro> seems mano didn't want to ask their question :P
[12:21] <neuro> interesting ... simcity shows up in my account along with bf3 and bf1942, but they all say "Game only available on Windows"
[12:21] <neuro> will wait and see if that changes ;)
[12:21] <mh0> neuro: Correction: He didn't want to wait for someone to finish first, such is impatience
[12:22] <neuro> i did say "what's your question"
[12:23] <neuro> righty ho, i'm off to forage for some lunch ... I think I may have a quiche in the fridge \o/
[13:09] <redtape-renegade> oh Happy Mother's Day BTW..
[13:20] <Laney> thanks son
[13:55] <bigcalm> Next year I'm going to send a 'happy birthday' card
[13:55] <bigcalm> Better yet, 'happy birthday dad'
[14:02] <jacobw> When did pdf.js land in Firefox? I've just started to notice it
[14:03] <penguin42> a few months I think, it's been annoying me for that long
[17:54] <ikonia> any of the Ubuntu UK guys audophiles
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: "normal" people who know audio, or weirdos that want gold-infused cables with contacts that were kissed by virgins for that extra sound quality?
[18:04] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: more in the normal world
[18:04] <ikonia> as I think the extreme stuff would be over my head by a mile, or two
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> you won't hear the extreme stuff.. it's all "I hear it because I paid a lot of money" psychological effect
[18:05] <ikonia> quite the opposite
[18:06] <ikonia> I've just been reading about a really small little valve amp and wanted to get a more educated view on it than my mortal understanding
[18:49] <jacobw> ikonia: What have you read about so far?
[19:07] <ikonia> jacobw: just positive reviews of a little amp called a miniwatt
[19:58] <redtape-renegade> ikonia, I don't know about the source as I just get whatever comes out of the 5.1-card headphone jack.. but as I move around the house a lot that leaves only two or three possible headphones that I can use ..
[19:59] <ikonia> redtape-renegade: sorry, wasn't talking about using this with a PC
[19:59] <ikonia> redtape-renegade: just thought about it as a nice little amp for a turn table
[20:00] <redtape-renegade> this is because they are regarded as closed loop (closedf source I'm afraid) .. by Sennheiser. The reason no of the others work is that it is possible to pick up the audio on some of the modern baby monitors, so the options are few.
[20:01] <redtape-renegade> ikonia, I dont think I've ever played a record TBHonest.. i have spotify which is 320kbps  .. who needs anything else ?
[20:02] <ikonia> redtape-renegade: just have some old records, that I bought a turn table to re-play
[20:02] <ikonia> hence a small good value amp, this seemed interesting
[20:02] <redtape-renegade> If you want to join that community there are a couple of people you can share music choices with on this channel .. otherwise how does thatr help us ?
[20:03] <ikonia> sorry what  ? how does it help you
[20:03] <ikonia> join what community ?
[20:04] <redtape-renegade> you have to understand that this is a sharing community..
[20:04] <redtape-renegade> Spotify..
[20:04] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[20:04] <redtape-renegade> GIYF.
[20:04] <ikonia> what ?
[20:04] <ikonia> I just asked for a more experienced view on this small value value amp
[20:04] <ikonia> why are you talking about community/sharing/spotify
[20:05] <redtape-renegade> what community do you belong to , then ?
[20:05] <ikonia> what are you talking about community ?
[20:05] <ikonia> I've not asked for any community
[20:06] <ikonia> I just asked if anyone was more experienced in audio technology to give a more experienced view on this amp that seems reasonable value
[20:06] <ikonia> or have I missed what you are trying to say
[20:07] <redtape-renegade> Idon't think we are on the same page . Good luck with your electronic thingy.
[20:07] <ikonia> redtape-renegade: sorry, am I missing what you are trying to say ?
[20:08] <ikonia> redtape-renegade: if you could try again,
[20:10] <shauno> miniwatt's website is .. interesting
[20:11] <ikonia> shauno: yeah, it looks like it's been taken down to the minimum waiting for a new product release.
[20:13] <shauno> I've been looking at getting a turntavble too, but sticker shock seems to be the name of the game now
[20:16] <Myrtti> how much is it?
[20:16] <ikonia> shauno: I find an excellent pioneer (excellent in terms of usable for home use and good quality) for £80 which I thought was worth while as it was around £400 new
[20:17] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: £150-ish
[20:17] <ikonia> oops
[20:17] <ikonia> Myrtti: the amp is around £126 - £150
[20:17] <Myrtti> does it really use valves?
[20:17] <popey> valves and big dials it appears
[20:17] <popey> I read a rather good review of it earlier
[20:18] <Myrtti> wow.
[20:18] <popey> http://www.hifivision.com/reviews/5648-miniwatt-tube-amplifier.html
[20:18] <ikonia> (to just play a few old records)
[20:18] <ikonia> popey: yes, the reviews seem positive and good value, hence why it maybe a good investment for a little amp
[20:18] <shauno> and chunky transformers judging from the boxes behind the valves
[20:19] <yarinse> hola, como puedo desintalar android?
[20:19] <popey> my ears probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and a crappy amp from Tandy
[20:20] <ikonia> popey: with records the sound does tend to be more extreme difference depending on the amp / speakers
[20:20] <popey> that may be, but I stick by my assertion ☺
[20:21] <ikonia> still for £126 / £150 for something that can be tucked away, it seems reasonable
[20:21] <ikonia> almost a little too good to be true
[20:22] <shauno> I think I'd trust a no-name chinese more than tandy these days :/
[20:22] <ikonia> also don't seem to be too many around at the moment, but if it is a good value as it seems, I'll dig one out
[20:22] <popey> well, the amp i am thinking of that I had in my youth from Tandy was a Memorex brand iirc
[20:23] <popey> which did fine driving my TDL RTL-2's
[20:23] <popey> which I miss
[20:23] <shauno> tandy as a whole was quite a different beast in your youth though
[20:23] <shauno> last time I saw one, they appeared to specialise in cellphone cases
[20:24] <popey> i still have the RTL-2's in the loft but the drivers are wrecked
[20:24] <ikonia> I have an old 80's pioneer amp that will work fine, but it's quite big, I thought this maybe a nice replacement
[20:24] <popey> would love to get them up and running again
[20:24] <ikonia> popey: are you electronically savvy enough to ?
[20:25] <popey> to replace speakers, yeah
[20:25] <ikonia> ah, it's just the speakers thats gone
[20:25] <popey> yup
[20:26]  * popey drifts into fond memories of ~20 years ago
[20:26] <popey> blimey, time flies
[20:26] <ikonia> half the reason I want to play some old records
[20:27] <ikonia> I bought the CD's of them, but they basicall transfered the recordings onto CD and it's not gone across well
[20:27] <ikonia> the records still sound good when played though
[20:27] <popey> i need some bzr help...
[20:30] <popey> \o/ rtfm works
[20:40] <popey> \o/ success
[20:41] <popey> bug 1153346
[20:41] <popey> this is where we discover I can't actually write python :D
[20:45] <ali1234> how do i view the code?
[20:46] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/phablet-tools/download-only/revision/64?start_revid=64
[20:48] <ali1234> well your indent style doesn't seem to follow the rest
[20:48] <ali1234> but apart from that it looks ok
[20:49] <ali1234> lines 89-94 need one more space
[20:50] <ali1234> oh, why not use parse.add_mutually_exclusive_group()?
[20:52] <ali1234> hmm... i'm gonna rewrite this, ok?
[20:54] <popey> knock yourself out
[20:55] <popey> i thought I used the same indent, thanks for noticing
[20:55] <ali1234> how do i propose a patch on top of your proposed patch?
[20:58] <ali1234> what does "autodetect fails device" mean?
[20:59] <popey> bad english
[20:59] <popey> it just means "it's not in the list of supported devices"
[20:59] <popey> i.e. gnex, n7, n4, n10
[21:00] <popey> but using the codenames of course
[21:00] <ali1234> so why not just say "unsupported device" - it's not even trying to autodetect?
[21:00] <popey> it used to
[21:00] <popey> i _think_
[21:00] <ali1234> it does, if a device is plugged in
[21:00] <ali1234> did you break that?
[21:01] <ali1234> "requires target device"
[21:01]  * popey checks
[21:01] <popey> it detected my grouper
[21:01] <ali1234> so if you just say -D now, it still detects it and only downloads the images?
[21:02] <ali1234> i would implement this as -D(on't flash)
[21:03] <popey> nice
[21:03] <ali1234> rather than -D(ownload only)
[21:03] <popey> no -D fails (as it should)
[21:03] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ phablet-flash -D
[21:03] <popey> Device type must be specified when in download only mode
[21:03] <ali1234> why should it?
[21:03] <popey> oh, i see
[21:03] <popey> bum
[21:03]  * popey unlinks the merge and plays more
[21:03] <popey> good call
[21:03] <ali1234> -d should be optional
[21:04] <ali1234> override, if you want to get the image and don't have the device
[21:05] <ali1234> ooo it's snowing :S
[21:05] <popey> phew! that was close, misclicked "merge" instead of "rejected"
[21:06] <popey> then corrected :D
[21:07] <ali1234> welll you can always rebase :P
[21:16] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:17] <AlanBell> anyone seen this kind of thing from Banshee or rhythmbox when trying to copy music to an iPad? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602689/
[21:17] <AlanBell> Failed to save iPod database - GLib.GException: Unsupported checksum type (in `libgpod-sharp')
[21:21] <AlanBell> got dad a USB turntable thing and showed him how to record stuff in Audacity and save as MP3, it plays great in rhythmbox or banshee but copying it to the ipad in the way he normally copies stuff fails
[21:21] <AlanBell> he was dead impressed that banshee managed to look up the album cover art from the name
[21:26] <ali1234> hmm detect_device bombs out with exit 0 so no chance to print a helpful error message if there's no device plugged in
[21:33] <ali1234> popey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/phablet-tools/download-only/revision/64
[21:39] <popey> ali1234: much better
[21:40] <popey> you should propose that for merging and attach to the bug ☺
[21:40] <popey> (thanks)
[21:40] <ali1234> yeah cos i know how to do that :)
[21:41] <popey> heh, i only found out 40 mins ago!
[21:41] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/phablet-tools/download-only click Propose for merging
[21:42] <popey> it should already know where to merge it to
[21:42] <popey> also below that is a Link a bug report
[21:42] <popey> but the bug number in.. job done
[21:42] <popey> s/but/put/
[21:42] <popey> jenkins will do it's CI magic, then wait till tomorrow when a human will review and merge it
[21:48] <ali1234> is this code covered by the CLA?
[21:49] <popey> good question, no idea
[21:49] <ali1234> i never signed CLA, got a patch into ubuntu achievements though :)
[21:49] <popey> ask rsalveti perhaps?
[21:49] <popey> heh
[21:53] <ali1234> i like how lp waits a bit before sending emails and bundles up all changes, instead of spamming me to death
[21:53] <popey> yeah, it never used to
[23:24] <redtape-renegade> Just a bit of candy for the eyes with a coding slant for the week's end :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eBV14-3LT-g
[23:43] <ali1234> cinder looks cool
[23:43] <ali1234> i could have used something like that a couple of years ago
[23:43] <ali1234> ended up just writing my own :/