=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [08:03] hiya maiatoday [08:04] hi Kilos [09:02] morning [09:11] hi Squirm [09:12] lo superfly [09:25] hi Kilos [10:25] hi kodez gaan dit goed? [10:25] i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking uncle kilos [10:25] and how are you? [10:29] im good ty [10:30] apart from older than yesterday [10:30] hehe [10:31] yeah, older and wiser than yesterday [10:31] lol why you been so scarce [10:33] i was not stable in one place for quite sometime and sometimes i am doing my school's work [10:33] ah ok we forgive you [10:34] a big thank you [10:34] :) [10:34] hehe [10:35] have you attended the ubuntu hour in centurion? [10:35] nope i am not mobile [10:35] just boer here [10:36] k, what are you farming? i'm interested in pig farming. [10:36] i'm still trying to gather information [10:37] there is money in pig farming but more in broiler chickens [10:37] pig farming needs special kinda cages to stop the sows getting to the piglets or they eat half of them [10:38] so basically the sow can stand or lie down but always facing her feed and water troughs [10:38] then piglets drink safely [10:39] thats if you wanna farm seriously with them [10:39] lol, i am looking for someone to train me in both projects. i have a neighbour who worked in a chicken farming project [10:39] chickens is not too much work [10:40] you used to be able to contact rainbow and they would build the tunnel kinda buildings on your farm free and supply chicks and afeed and all and you get a percentage i think it was [10:41] please send me you email, we can take this conversion privately as other will complain as it is not ubuntu os related [10:41] they did that to spread their base and let someone else run the risks and do the work [10:41] i will make a follow up with them but my priority is in pig farming at the moment [11:00] good afternoon [11:00] Maaz: coffee on [11:00] * Maaz washes some mugs [11:00] afternoon charl [11:00] hi kodez [11:00] how are you? [11:01] i'm good thanks, yourself? [11:02] i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking [11:03] what's interesting in your ubuntu world today? [11:04] Coffee's ready for charl_! [11:05] Maaz: thanks [11:05] charl_: Sure [11:07] am getting a strange error on ubuntu azure: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release Unable to find expected entry 'precise-backports/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) [11:08] will have to report it [11:09] i don't remember how to fix repos. i will do a research and report back [11:11] don't worry, this is something for them to fix, not us, i'm just testing :) [11:11] kwl:) [11:13] hi charl_ [11:14] hi Kilos [11:14] how's it going today [11:14] ok ty charl_ and you? [11:14] apart from your probs that is [11:16] neh good, very good [11:16] believe it or not, we actually had some snow during the early morning [11:17] crazy for march [11:17] this winter was a good one :) [11:17] ouch that cold wet white stuff [11:17] good winters are found in natal [11:18] natal according to me is a hot province though, i didn't know they could have a winter at all :) [11:18] in the middle of winter you could probably walk outside in shorts and a t-shirt :P [11:18] haha 10ooc is winter in durbs [11:18] ai! [11:20] 10 degrees [11:21] haha, you never need more than a pullover [11:21] 10°c [11:21] there we go [11:22] no you acclimatise and then get cold same as peeps in other areas [11:22] ask nuvolari [11:23] hahahahaha [11:23] in botswana the nights got cold in the winter [11:23] the days were fine though [11:24] but the nights... it's a freezing cold [11:24] yip same as the tvl [11:24] there are only two seasons in Durban, that's summer and summer [11:24] sometimes a few degrees under freezing here [11:24] botswana has a typical desert climate, complete extremes [11:25] and in the summer it can get 40+ in the day no problem [11:25] no thank you, give me the milder climates [11:26] haha when hot like that you save electricity you fry eggs on a shovel in the sun [11:27] whahahah ! [11:28] one thing that is interesting about this weather, we have less solar power generation than coal power plants. solar power is extreme cheaper than coal. [11:29] according to what i've heard, solar power can be rather expensive [11:29] but it is of course a lot better for the environment [11:29] it is totally renewable and doesn't pollute the atmosphere [11:29] getting the equipment is expensive [11:30] yeah but after that the maintenance is minimal and you get power virtually for free [11:30] a good solar setup will last you for years and years with minimal maintenance [11:30] installation is expensive but running it and maintenance is close to zero [11:30] but then if im not mistaken all lights etc need to run off batteries [11:31] only during the night when there is no sun [11:31] and stoves geysers etc off batteries with inverters [11:31] the batteries also need to be replaced every couple of years [11:31] afaik the dc is converted back to ac before it gets distributed around the house [11:32] i was at CSIR this past friday and in one of their magazine, i learned that there are LED globes and uses less electricity than other globes [11:32] yes you can buy them at ikea :) [11:33] would be more efficient to run what can off battery voltage then as im sure inverters use quite a bit of power to convert up [11:33] i would be surprised if they are not being sold in south africa [11:33] i used to think the same when it comes to ups'es [11:33] where is it? or is it an online shop? [11:33] ya leds are more efficient [11:33] but apparently the converters now are so efficient it doesn't matter anymore [11:34] kodez: ikea is a big store where you can buy all kinds of goods but they also have a good website, never tried ordering anything online from them though [11:35] ikea.nl is their dutch site [11:35] it's a swedish company [11:37] http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/search/?query=Ledverlichting [11:37] thanks [11:37] there is one big problem with leds, they contain some hazardous elements [11:37] they need to be disposed of properly [11:38] same goes for the regular energy saving lights, they often contain mercury gas [11:38] (if i remember correctly off-hand) [11:38] i will continue with my research of alternative energy saving devices [11:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp#Environmental_impact [11:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp [11:43] http://inhabitat.com/study-finds-led-light-bulbs-contain-unsafe-levels-of-carcinogenic-toxins/ [11:43] surely thats only if you bust them open [11:43] yeah that's what i am also thinking [11:44] i don't know if they need to be disposed of safely thouigh [11:44] *though [11:44] they are even using led tail lights on trucks here [11:44] yeah they are becoming very popular [11:45] but they still look a lot less dangerous than CFLs [11:45] lol [11:45] afaik they are not the cheapest but some of the best all-round light sources available [11:45] i might uprade to them myself in the future [11:47] i am interest to upgrade the whole system to solar system but without removing the current municipal grid [11:47] i can remember seeing them at the ikea last year but i looked at the prices and they were a _lot_ more expensive than the "sparsam" lamps [11:47] regular CFLs [11:48] the prices seemed to have come down a lot though [11:48] http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/search/?query=sparsam [11:48] i heard they last longer than the other globes [11:48] a heck of a lot longer kodez :) [11:48] leds are virtually indestructible [11:50] oh dear [11:51] I didn't use quassel in quite a while [11:51] hi nuvi [11:52] hi oom Kilos :) Gaan dit goed oom? [11:52] goed dankie en self [11:52] dit gaan goed dankie oom! [11:52] argh! stupid stupid! :-/ I didn't check my uptime [11:53] it was around 2 years :P [12:01] its not that bad nuvi [12:03] nu-uh, but I had to restart to get all the extra free stuff from linode [12:03] 'free' [12:03] should I rather say upgrades [12:03] lol [12:05] ha, the best description I can think of is 'generous additions' [12:14] \o/ [12:14] hi :) [12:17] what is it with the uptime wh***s, i don't understand it :) [12:18] all that it means is that you are a bad sysadmin because you don't restart your servers after kenel upgrades [12:18] or even worse, you don't even do your upgrades in the first place [12:19] i work in ict, executing planned server restarts is part of our job [12:28] uhm, it wasn't a kernel upgrade. It was a linode resource upgrade which I didn't do at the time of their last birthday because it required a reboot in order to claim the resources. And I'm not a sysadmin, so don't expect me to do everything by the book. Also upgraded ubuntu now to 12.04 from 10.04 :P [12:29] i'm not either, i work as a programmer :P [12:30] ok, so you're a better hybrid then :P [12:30] but i have my own desktops/laptops/servers and i promise you they get upgraded and rebooted rigurously :P [12:31] but sorry i wasn't referring to you in particular earlier though [12:31] it was meant as a general statement :) [12:31] oh come on! why start nano with nano? ugh, once you get to know vim, anything else feels wrong [12:31] ah ok [12:32] thought you tried to bathe me in mud [12:32] I'm not into mud wrestling [12:33] lol no [12:34] why is nuvolari still around :? [12:36] years ago i was having an argument with somebody at mosgas, he was bragging about one of their linux firewall/gateway servers having an uptime of 5 or so years [12:36] they actually lost the physical server, they had a power failure and they had to start it back up again but they couldn't find it [12:36] eventually they found it in someone's closet [12:36] the server came out of the closet following that, quite literally [12:37] anycase, i accused them of being terrible at managing their servers, for obvious reasons [12:37] i think it is called "p*ssing on batteries" in south africa :) === nuvolari_ is now known as nuvolari [14:59] ja ja julle [15:04] wb Kilos [15:04] ty i been doing serious work [15:04] ? [15:04] using serious fsck command [15:04] :D [15:05] i always have to laugh at the name of that command [15:05] also because it is often use as a curse in a nerdy way [15:05] sudo e2fsck -cfpv /dev/sdxx [15:06] sposed to repair or mark bad blocks [15:06] but all them options dont show here in man so had to look online what they do [15:06] sudo fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdxx [15:07] really serious [15:08] nnow i wanna try them on a 2 TB drive but everytime i play with it here it crashes my os [15:08] wow ok, no kidding [15:09] ya serious manufacturer error on it [15:10] can't you return it? [15:10] it should still be under warrantee if it's new? [15:10] it couldnt take anything else after first os was installed. just wrote bad blocks all the time [15:10] no its a few years old [15:10] ah i see [15:10] a 2tb drive from a few years ago - those weren't mainstream yet [15:10] it's very possible that there is a flaw in it [15:10] but samsung wrote a patch for the firmware but id crashed it before i found out what was the prob [15:11] it accepted the patch but whole mbr/boot is written as bad blocks [15:11] so i/o error all the time [15:12] is it a permanent problem on the physical platter? [15:12] now im hoping fsck can fix it with them heavy options [15:12] or just in the way the data was written [15:12] afaik fsck can only fix basic problems [15:12] it took 7 and xp fine but everytime any other os was tried it crashed [15:13] there are more advanced tools like spinrite that could try to fix it but it's not open source [15:13] it's a hit-and-miss in any case [15:13] no i read somewhere online that those options make it repair/mark bad blocks [15:14] yeah but if the problem exists in the mbr that's different i think [15:14] i have the manufacturers cd as well but they all say i/o error [15:14] i been at it for over a month already on and off [15:15] in the off periods i build up courage to try again [15:15] if you applied all firmware updates and rewriting the mbr doesn't help i don't think there is much that will [15:15] would really love to have a 2 TB drive working lekker here [15:15] a fsck won't fix problems in the mbr afaik [15:16] maybe ill try get platters for it and try that too [15:16] why not just use it as a data drive? [15:16] instead of booting an o/s from it [15:16] cant write anything to it [15:16] cant partition even [15:16] hmmm, sounds like a bigger problem to me [15:16] good luck with it :) [15:17] lol ty. it was working lekker till i tried 3 times to install ubuntu on it [15:17] there is lotsa stuff online about the bug in the firmware but i found the patch too late [15:18] anyway keeps me busy [15:18] if you have the time, the worst that can happen is you learn something :) [15:18] rofl [15:19] time is all i have [15:19] ) [15:19] :) [15:22] ok i'm off [15:22] have a good evening all [16:46] lo inetpro [16:48] wbb gotta try fix quassel [16:55] something funny here. open either quassel of konversation and only see freenode not #ubuntu-za till i go quick connect then it starts up again then i see the channels [17:01] it actually connects because when i go quick connect i come back withy a tail [17:04] where do i delete the config files so i can start over [17:21] hi sakhi [17:22] Hi Kilos- how are you doing? [17:22] good ty and you sakhi? [17:23] Good thanks. [17:30] Good evening #ubuntu-za [18:03] YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [18:03] liverpool beat spurs [18:03] * Symmetria does the happy dance [18:45] Symmetria: Banshee's title sequence is too long :/ [18:48] night all . sleep tight === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [18:53] lo Trixar_za [18:53] lo Squirm === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za