[08:03] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:04] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[09:02] <Squirm> morning
[09:11] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[09:12] <Kilos> lo superfly 
[09:25] <superfly> hi Kilos  
[10:25] <Kilos> hi kodez gaan dit goed?
[10:25] <kodez> i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking uncle kilos
[10:25] <kodez> and how are you?
[10:29] <Kilos> im good ty 
[10:30] <Kilos> apart from older than yesterday
[10:30] <Kilos> hehe
[10:31] <kodez> yeah, older and wiser than yesterday
[10:31] <Kilos> lol why you been so scarce
[10:33] <kodez> i was not stable in one place for quite sometime and sometimes i am doing my school's work
[10:33] <Kilos> ah ok we forgive you
[10:34] <kodez> a big thank you
[10:34] <kodez> :)
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:35] <kodez> have you attended the ubuntu hour in centurion?
[10:35] <Kilos> nope i am not mobile
[10:35] <Kilos> just boer here
[10:36] <kodez> k, what are you farming? i'm interested in pig farming.
[10:36] <kodez> i'm still trying to gather information
[10:37] <Kilos> there is money in pig farming but more in broiler chickens
[10:37] <Kilos> pig farming needs special kinda cages to stop the sows getting to the piglets or they eat half of them
[10:38] <Kilos> so basically the sow can stand or lie down but always facing her feed and water troughs
[10:38] <Kilos> then piglets drink safely
[10:39] <Kilos> thats if you wanna farm seriously with them
[10:39] <kodez> lol, i am looking for someone to train me in both projects. i have a neighbour who worked in a chicken farming project
[10:39] <Kilos> chickens is not too much work
[10:40] <Kilos> you used to be able to contact rainbow and they would build the tunnel kinda buildings on your farm free and supply chicks and afeed and all and you get a percentage i think it was
[10:41] <kodez> please send me you email, we can take this conversion privately as other will complain as it is not ubuntu os related
[10:41] <Kilos> they did that to spread their base and let someone else run the risks and do the work
[10:41] <kodez> i will make a follow up with them but my priority is in pig farming at the moment
[11:00] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:00] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:00]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:00] <kodez> afternoon charl
[11:00] <charl_> hi kodez
[11:00] <kodez> how are you?
[11:01] <charl_> i'm good thanks, yourself?
[11:02] <kodez> i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking
[11:03] <kodez> what's interesting in your ubuntu world today?
[11:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:05] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[11:05] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[11:07] <charl_> am getting a strange error on ubuntu azure: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'precise-backports/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[11:08] <charl_> will have to report it
[11:09] <kodez> i don't remember how to fix repos. i will do a research and report back
[11:11] <charl_> don't worry, this is something for them to fix, not us, i'm just testing :)
[11:11] <kodez> kwl:)
[11:13] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[11:14] <charl_> hi Kilos
[11:14] <charl_> how's it going today
[11:14] <Kilos> ok ty charl_ and you?
[11:14] <Kilos> apart from your probs that is
[11:16] <charl_> neh good, very good
[11:16] <charl_> believe it or not, we actually had some snow during the early morning
[11:17] <charl_> crazy for march
[11:17] <charl_> this winter was a good one :)
[11:17] <Kilos> ouch that cold wet white stuff
[11:17] <Kilos> good winters are found in natal
[11:18] <charl_> natal according to me is a hot province though, i didn't know they could have a winter at all :)
[11:18] <charl_> in the middle of winter you could probably walk outside in shorts and a t-shirt :P
[11:18] <Kilos> haha 10ooc is winter in durbs
[11:18] <Kilos> ai!
[11:20] <Kilos> 10 degrees
[11:21] <charl_> haha, you never need more than a pullover
[11:21] <Kilos> 10°c
[11:21] <Kilos> there we go
[11:22] <Kilos> no you acclimatise and then get cold same as peeps in other areas
[11:22] <Kilos> ask nuvolari 
[11:23] <charl_> hahahahaha
[11:23] <charl_> in botswana the nights got cold in the winter
[11:23] <charl_> the days were fine though
[11:24] <charl_> but the nights... it's a freezing cold
[11:24] <Kilos> yip same as the tvl
[11:24] <kodez> there are only two seasons in Durban, that's summer and summer
[11:24] <Kilos> sometimes a few degrees under freezing here
[11:24] <charl_> botswana has a typical desert climate, complete extremes
[11:25] <charl_> and in the summer it can get 40+ in the day no problem
[11:25] <charl_> no thank you, give me the milder climates
[11:26] <Kilos> haha when hot like that you save electricity you fry eggs on a shovel in the sun
[11:27] <charl_> whahahah !
[11:28] <kodez> one thing that is interesting about this weather, we have less solar power generation than coal power plants. solar power is extreme cheaper than coal.
[11:29] <charl_> according to what i've heard, solar power can be rather expensive
[11:29] <charl_> but it is of course a lot better for the environment
[11:29] <charl_> it is totally renewable and doesn't pollute the atmosphere
[11:29] <Kilos> getting the equipment is expensive
[11:30] <charl_> yeah but after that the maintenance is minimal and you get power virtually for free
[11:30] <charl_> a good solar setup will last you for years and years with minimal maintenance
[11:30] <kodez> installation is expensive but running it and maintenance is close to zero
[11:30] <Kilos> but then if im not mistaken all lights etc need to run off batteries
[11:31] <charl_> only during the night when there is no sun
[11:31] <Kilos> and stoves geysers etc off batteries with inverters
[11:31] <charl_> the batteries also need to be replaced every couple of years
[11:31] <charl_> afaik the dc is converted back to ac before it gets distributed around the house
[11:32] <kodez> i was at CSIR this past friday and in one of their magazine, i learned that there are LED globes and uses less electricity than other globes
[11:32] <charl_> yes you can buy them at ikea :)
[11:33] <Kilos> would be more efficient to run what can off battery voltage then as im sure inverters use quite a bit of power to convert up
[11:33] <charl_> i would be surprised if they are not being sold in south africa
[11:33] <charl_> i used to think the same when it comes to ups'es
[11:33] <kodez> where is it? or is it an online shop?
[11:33] <Kilos> ya leds are more efficient
[11:33] <charl_> but apparently the converters now are so efficient it doesn't matter anymore
[11:34] <charl_> kodez: ikea is a big store where you can buy all kinds of goods but they also have a good website, never tried ordering anything online from them though
[11:35] <charl_> ikea.nl is their dutch site
[11:35] <charl_> it's a swedish company
[11:37] <charl_> http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/search/?query=Ledverlichting
[11:37] <kodez> thanks
[11:37] <charl_> there is one big problem with leds, they contain some hazardous elements
[11:37] <charl_> they need to be disposed of properly
[11:38] <charl_> same goes for the regular energy saving lights, they often contain mercury gas
[11:38] <charl_> (if i remember correctly off-hand)
[11:38] <kodez> i will continue with my research of alternative energy saving devices
[11:40] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp#Environmental_impact
[11:41] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp
[11:43] <charl_> http://inhabitat.com/study-finds-led-light-bulbs-contain-unsafe-levels-of-carcinogenic-toxins/
[11:43] <Kilos> surely thats only if you bust them open
[11:43] <charl_> yeah that's what i am also thinking
[11:44] <charl_> i don't know if they need to be disposed of safely thouigh
[11:44] <charl_> *though
[11:44] <Kilos> they are even using led tail lights on trucks here
[11:44] <charl_> yeah they are becoming very popular
[11:45] <charl_> but they still look a lot less dangerous than CFLs
[11:45] <Kilos> lol
[11:45] <charl_> afaik they are not the cheapest but some of the best all-round light sources available
[11:45] <charl_> i might uprade to them myself in the future
[11:47] <kodez> i am interest to upgrade the whole system to solar system but without removing the current municipal grid
[11:47] <charl_> i can remember seeing them at the ikea last year but i looked at the prices and they were a _lot_ more expensive than the "sparsam" lamps
[11:47] <charl_> regular CFLs
[11:48] <charl_> the prices seemed to have come down a lot though
[11:48] <charl_> http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/search/?query=sparsam
[11:48] <kodez> i heard they last longer than the other globes
[11:48] <charl_> a heck of a lot longer kodez :)
[11:48] <charl_> leds are virtually indestructible
[11:50] <nuvi> oh dear
[11:51] <nuvi> I didn't use quassel in quite a while
[11:51] <Kilos> hi nuvi 
[11:52] <nuvi> hi oom Kilos :) Gaan dit goed oom?
[11:52] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[11:52] <nuvi> dit gaan goed dankie oom!
[11:52] <nuvi> argh! stupid stupid! :-/ I didn't check my uptime
[11:53] <nuvi> it was around 2 years :P
[12:01] <Kilos> its not that bad nuvi 
[12:03] <nuvi> nu-uh, but I had to restart to get all the extra free stuff from linode
[12:03] <nuvi> 'free'
[12:03] <nuvi> should I rather say upgrades
[12:03] <Kilos> lol
[12:05] <nuvi> ha, the best description I can think of is 'generous additions'
[12:14] <nuvolari_> \o/
[12:14] <nuvolari_> hi :)
[12:17] <charl_> what is it with the uptime wh***s, i don't understand it :)
[12:18] <charl_> all that it means is that you are a bad sysadmin because you don't restart your servers after kenel upgrades
[12:18] <charl_> or even worse, you don't even do your upgrades in the first place
[12:19] <charl_> i work in ict, executing planned server restarts is part of our job
[12:28] <nuvi> uhm, it wasn't a kernel upgrade. It was a linode resource upgrade which I didn't do at the time of their last birthday because it required a reboot in order to claim the resources. And I'm not a sysadmin, so don't expect me to do everything by the book. Also upgraded ubuntu now to 12.04 from 10.04 :P
[12:29] <charl_> i'm not either, i work as a programmer :P
[12:30] <nuvi> ok, so you're a better hybrid then :P
[12:30] <charl_> but i have my own desktops/laptops/servers and i promise you they get upgraded and rebooted rigurously :P
[12:31] <charl_> but sorry i wasn't referring to you in particular earlier though
[12:31] <charl_> it was meant as a general statement :)
[12:31] <nuvi> oh come on! why start nano with nano? ugh, once you get to know vim, anything else feels wrong
[12:31] <nuvi> ah ok
[12:32] <nuvi> thought you tried to bathe me in mud
[12:32] <nuvi> I'm not into mud wrestling
[12:33] <charl_> lol no
[12:34] <nuvi> why is nuvolari still around :?
[12:36] <charl_> years ago i was having an argument with somebody at mosgas, he was bragging about one of their linux firewall/gateway servers having an uptime of 5 or so years
[12:36] <charl_> they actually lost the physical server, they had a power failure and they had to start it back up again but they couldn't find it
[12:36] <charl_> eventually they found it in someone's closet
[12:36] <charl_> the server came out of the closet following that, quite literally
[12:37] <charl_> anycase, i accused them of being terrible at managing their servers, for obvious reasons
[12:37] <charl_> i think it is called "p*ssing on batteries" in south africa :)
[14:59] <Kilos> ja ja julle
[15:04] <charl_> wb Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> ty i been doing serious work
[15:04] <charl_> ?
[15:04] <Kilos> using serious fsck command
[15:04] <charl_> :D
[15:05] <charl_> i always have to laugh at the name of that command
[15:05] <charl_> also because it is often use as a curse in a nerdy way
[15:05] <Kilos> sudo e2fsck -cfpv /dev/sdxx
[15:06] <Kilos> sposed to repair or mark bad blocks
[15:06] <Kilos> but all them options dont show here in man so had to look online what they do
[15:06] <Kilos> sudo fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdxx
[15:07] <Kilos> really serious
[15:08] <Kilos> nnow i wanna try them on a 2 TB drive but everytime i play with it here it crashes my os
[15:08] <charl_> wow ok, no kidding
[15:09] <Kilos> ya serious manufacturer error on it
[15:10] <charl_> can't you return it?
[15:10] <charl_> it should still be under warrantee if it's new?
[15:10] <Kilos> it couldnt take anything else after first os was installed. just wrote bad blocks all the time
[15:10] <Kilos> no its a few years old
[15:10] <charl_> ah i see
[15:10] <charl_> a 2tb drive from a few years ago - those weren't mainstream yet
[15:10] <charl_> it's very possible that there is a flaw in it
[15:10] <Kilos> but samsung wrote a patch for the firmware but id crashed it before i found out what was the prob
[15:11] <Kilos> it accepted the patch but whole mbr/boot is written as bad blocks
[15:11] <Kilos> so i/o error all the time
[15:12] <charl_> is it a permanent problem on the physical platter?
[15:12] <Kilos> now im hoping fsck can fix it with them heavy options
[15:12] <charl_> or just in the way the data was written
[15:12] <charl_> afaik fsck can only fix basic problems
[15:12] <Kilos> it took 7 and xp fine but everytime any other os was tried it crashed
[15:13] <charl_> there are more advanced tools like spinrite that could try to fix it but it's not open source
[15:13] <charl_> it's a hit-and-miss in any case
[15:13] <Kilos> no i read somewhere online that those options make it repair/mark bad blocks
[15:14] <charl_> yeah but if the problem exists in the mbr that's different i think
[15:14] <Kilos> i have the manufacturers cd as well but they all say i/o error
[15:14] <Kilos> i been at it for over a month already on and off
[15:15] <Kilos> in the off periods i build up courage to try again
[15:15] <charl_> if you applied all firmware updates and rewriting the mbr doesn't help i don't think there is much that will
[15:15] <Kilos> would really love to have a 2 TB drive working lekker here
[15:15] <charl_> a fsck won't fix problems in the mbr afaik
[15:16] <Kilos> maybe ill try get platters for it and try that too
[15:16] <charl_> why not just use it as a data drive?
[15:16] <charl_> instead of booting an o/s from it
[15:16] <Kilos> cant write anything to it
[15:16] <Kilos> cant partition even
[15:16] <charl_> hmmm, sounds like a bigger problem to me
[15:16] <charl_> good luck with it :)
[15:17] <Kilos> lol ty. it was working lekker till i tried 3 times to install ubuntu on it
[15:17] <Kilos> there is lotsa stuff online about the bug in the firmware but i found the patch too late
[15:18] <Kilos> anyway keeps me busy 
[15:18] <charl_> if you have the time, the worst that can happen is you learn something :)
[15:18] <Kilos> rofl
[15:19] <Kilos> time is all i have
[15:19] <charl_> )
[15:19] <charl_> :)
[15:22] <charl_> ok i'm off
[15:22] <charl_> have a good evening all
[16:46] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[16:48] <Kilos> wbb gotta try fix quassel
[16:55] <Kilos-> something funny here. open either quassel of konversation and only see freenode not #ubuntu-za till i go quick connect then it starts up again then i see the channels
[17:01] <Kilos-> it actually connects because when i go quick connect i come back withy a tail
[17:04] <Kilos-> where do i delete the config files so i can start over
[17:21] <Kilos-> hi sakhi
[17:22] <sakhi> Hi Kilos- how are you doing?
[17:22] <Kilos-> good ty and you sakhi?
[17:23] <sakhi> Good thanks.
[17:30] <sakhi> Good evening #ubuntu-za
[18:03] <Symmetria> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:03] <Symmetria> liverpool beat spurs
[18:03]  * Symmetria does the happy dance
[18:45] <Squirm> Symmetria: Banshee's title sequence is too long :/
[18:48] <Kilos-> night all . sleep tight
[18:53] <Squirm> lo Trixar_za 
[18:53] <Trixar_za> lo Squirm