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zequenceLen-nb: I hate custom entried though, which is why I'd rather work on standardization00:14
zequenceI mean, I don't like customization00:15
zequenceThe further you go with it, the less you can build on it00:15
zequenceIt's like programming. Better to solve stuff with a few functions and variables, and keep the work to a few lines of code, rather than pages00:16
zequenceWas it me who added that task? I'm thinking yes00:20
zequenceAnyway, we know what the important stuff is for this release.00:21
zequenceI started a new theme. Same ide, but a different pattern in the background 00:24
zequencehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme00:24
zequenceJust getting the light right is a big hazzle. Need to try make this monitor as neutral as possible00:25
len-1304Fixing wrong placement in the menu can just a easily mean fixing the source desktop file.00:31
len-1304In fact we should reword the BP item that way.00:31
len-1304We should start with the applications we ship and starting at the SW author ask to change it... with a patch they can use.00:32
len-1304I just sent email to Sean about Hexter today with regard to that.00:33
len-1304I don't think he includes one, but I want to make sure. (I couldn't find it in his source)00:34
len-1304The hexter desktop file is broken. We fix it in settings, but I want to move the fix upstream.00:34
zequenceThe desktop files definitely matter the most, I think00:35
len-1304Its going to be a one at a time thing, but worth it I think.00:36
zequenceabsolutely. After all, they don't only end up as entries in the Ubuntu Studio menu (since not everyone are using it)00:37
zequenceI'm pretty happy with this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=rock-grey.png01:23
zequenceGot some ideas from what Scott talked about. 01:23
zequenceAnd the light should be good now01:23
len-1304What happens 0on a small screen does the cof shrink to tiny?01:36
* len-1304 shrugs,01:37
len-1304I figure most people will have high rez monitors01:37
len-1304those like me with a net book are used to small graphics already :)01:37
len-1304I would be happy with that too.01:38
len-1304Though to be honest it looks more like leather than rock.01:38
len-1304Like the stuff my amp is covered with :)01:39
zequenceIt's called egg shell01:39
zequenceThe pattern01:39
len-1304It works fine.01:39
zequenceI think the image is just scaled to whatever monitor you have. And zoomed if it's not the right ratio01:40
zequenceI think it works great, but the only detail I'm not sure about is the color hue.01:41
len-1304Even at half size if zoomed/shrunk to fit the netbook, it will still look good.01:41
zequenceIt doesn't fully work with the US desktop right now01:41
zequenceIt has a lot of detail, yes. Looks good even when you get really close01:42
zequenceI'm using a 1920x1080 HD TV as monitor. The wallpaper is scaled down01:42
zequenceThe icon is better now too01:43
zequenceI'll play with the hue a bit tomorrow. After that, i don't think I can do much better01:44
len-1304Mine is 1680x105001:44
len-1304I've put it on my desktop to see how it works01:44
len-1304to be honest, most of my DT is normally covered with open Apps anyway.01:45
zequenceMy windows are usually always maximized01:45
zequenceBut, it's still important. You want it to look professional. 01:46
zequenceThe first impression is important too01:46
len-1304All it needs is a few half pealed off stickers that say Jamaica or something.01:46
len-1304Ya it has to have a great first look01:46
len-1304The sticker is kidding BTW01:46
zequenceThe problem now I see is that the XFCE theme doesn't have very complicated coloring, so the wallpaper is not blending in well.01:47
len-1304In some ways that is good, it means everyhting is visible and not hidden.01:47
zequenceThat's if for me this night. See you tomorrow maybe01:48
len-1304Good night01:49
len-1304The panel can have the alpha channel turned way down zequence 01:51
len-1304smartboyhw, good morning03:02
smartboyhwlen-1304, hiyas03:03
smartboyhwlen-1304, saw your bug report03:03
len-1304Take a look at <zequence> I'm pretty happy with this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=rock-grey.png03:03
smartboyhwBug 115303203:03
ubottubug 1153032 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "ubiquity slideshow for ubuntustudio is out of date and incorrect" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115303203:03
len-1304Ya, there are two. The ISO looked pretty good03:04
smartboyhwlen-1304, the slideshow is knome's job I think03:04
smartboyhwlen-1304, the artwork is great03:04
len-1304zequence has the source too.03:04
len-1304I put that background on this machine.03:04
smartboyhwlen-1304, then give it to zequence to fix:P03:05
smartboyhwI will fix the lmms bug first I think03:05
len-1304I am not sure it still is a bug. There were two releases less than 24hr apart03:05
smartboyhwlen-1304, whoa!?03:05
len-1304It may have been from getting things mixed because the package list was downloaded mid change.03:06
len-1304The depends look right to me.03:09
len-1304there was one at  Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:58:18 -0600 and one at Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:01:25 -050003:11
smartboyhwlen-1304, uh which one's version was earlier?03:12
len-1304Actually they are a week apart... my mistake04:04
holstein!proaudio04:41
ubottuFor information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro04:41
len-1304zequence, and whoever else... I'm off to bed. Re bug 1153032 see my email. If no one else can fix I will do a quick one as per email.06:14
ubottubug 1153032 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "ubiquity slideshow for ubuntustudio is out of date and incorrect" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115303206:14
smartboyhwmicahg, ping07:03
* smartboyhw wonders should he fix the slideshow...07:20
smartboyhwBut first of all: The LMMS bug07:20
smartboyhwReally simple fix07:20
Len-nbsmartboyhw, there is a new slide show being uploaded as I type.08:11
smartboyhwLen-nb, ok08:13
Len-nbit will be lp:~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 08:13
Len-nbif people think its ok I can do a merge request.08:14
smartboyhwLen-nb, em I can't branch it08:23
Len-nbNot yet08:23
smartboyhwLen-nb, LOL08:23
Len-nbThis is a slow upload08:23
smartboyhwLen-nb, fixed the LMMS bug. Waiting for somebody to review.08:23
Len-nbGreat.08:25
smartboyhwLen-nb, it turns out it is just a missing > :P08:27
smartboyhwLen-nb, tell me when it is uploaded08:27
smartboyhwit = the slideshow08:27
Len-nbIts at 16M out of 55M08:27
Len-nbbest I can tell08:28
smartboyhwLen-nb, ok08:28
smartboyhwSome of the people leaving Ubuntu set up a #ubuntu-expat channel at OFTC (LOL)08:28
=== smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw
smartboyhwLen-nb, how much MB have you uploaded to the bzr branch?09:46
zequencelen-1304: The wallpaper looked weird on your desktop. It wasn't centered or anything11:44
zequenceAlso, it's not 100% done yet11:45
zequenceI haven't yet fixed the logo exactly in the middle11:45
zequenceAnd I want to change the hue11:45
zequenceThese two work really well I think. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/RockTheme12:58
zequenceBut I'm not sure if the ration and size is the best. 13:09
* smartboyhw claps for zequence 13:16
smartboyhwzequence, however do we need to wait for ScottL to pick the wallpaper or?13:18
smartboyhwAfter all he's the one organizing the artworks13:18
zequencesmartboyhw: I think we can just go ahead. We'll just be chaning the wallpaper for now. And it's only for this release13:38
smartboyhwzequence, oh ok13:39
zequenceFor the future, we need to put more effort on the artwork, and have a look at all that is included13:39
smartboyhwzequence, so do we want to do the change today?13:39
smartboyhwzequence, and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntustudio-meta-testing what is this?13:40
* smartboyhw wonders why it's bold13:40
zequencesmartboyhw: That was just a temporary PPA for testing the meta when I was changing it13:43
smartboyhwzequence, oh13:43
zequenceI think it would be good if we could have any changes in before bet113:43
zequencebeta1*13:43
smartboyhwzequence, /me is surprised that len-1304 isn't in the LP US Testing team...13:44
* smartboyhw adds it in13:44
smartboyhws/it/him/13:44
kubotusmartboyhw meant: "adds him in"13:44
zequenceI'm looking through the web if I can find some good looking ones13:53
smartboyhwzequence, :)13:54
smartboyhwOh no our dear old astraljava went bye14:02
zequenceI updated my Ubuntu development install yesterday. Icons and wallpaper management broke14:11
zequenceSorry, Ubuntu Studio dev install14:12
zequenceI wouldn't recommend anyone to upgrade between releases14:12
smartboyhwzequence, uh hum we are supposed to test it......14:13
smartboyhwFor Beta 114:13
smartboyhwOr do we simply remove them!?14:13
zequencePerfectly alright to test14:27
zequenceAnd it may even succeed. Doesn't mean it's something we should recommend14:27
zequenceIf it doesn't we should fix it of course14:27
smartboyhwOK14:28
len-1304zequence, I did this more as a backup in case no one else got to it.15:05
zequencelen-1304: Ok. What kind of resolution do you have on that desktop?15:06
zequencebtw, Debian is going through their annual Project Lead Elections http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/03/msg00003.html15:07
zequenceThe first name of that list (doesn't seem willing to become project lead) http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/platforms/algernon15:07
zequenceAh, that was 200415:07
smartboyhwzequence, LOL15:08
zequenceSorry :)15:08
zequenceMaybe he's more willing now, 9 years later15:08
smartboyhwzequence, :)15:09
len-1304I used the same rez as the old one. I off centered the COF because I thought it was only showing the top left corner of the desk.15:10
len-1304I realized you might change the hue, but because I was only using the center of it... the whole thig looks a lot lighter15:11
zequencelen-1304: No, I mean, what resolution do you have for your screen :) ?15:11
len-1304My screen? 1680x105015:11
len-1304Or the screen on the slide? 450X41015:12
zequenceI'm just wondering how the wallpaper got to be so zoomed in15:12
len-1304It is not zoomed or shrunk , I just cropped to fit.15:12
len-1304I left it that way on purpose because I felt for the slide it shows nothing else.15:13
zequenceOk, I see what you were thinking there. It looks a bit weird to me though15:14
zequenceI think either just do something else, or use a normal look15:14
len-1304Scott did the same thing last time, but then the whole thing was bigger to begin with15:14
zequenceI mean, a normal, default zoom/ration15:14
zequenceDid we have a shot at the menu, let me look..15:15
len-1304all I did was keep the top panel and add the bottom15:15
len-1304Basically so long as the resulting image is 450x410 it'll work15:16
zequenceI think we should make a shot to show the menu instead15:16
zequenceThe detail in the wallpaper doesn't matter IMO. It's just a shot of the desktop15:17
zequenceAnd the menu is worth showcasing15:17
len-1304No problem. If you send the message to as an attachment I can drop it in.15:17
len-1304Add a png as an attachment I meant15:18
* len-1304 was up too late last night...15:18
smartboyhwlen-1304, oh15:20
len-1304Anyway the other slides are fixed. It is just the one graphic that needs to be done.15:20
len-1304zequence, how about if I do the menu and panel full size and drop the BG under it centered?15:23
len-1304zequence, got email back from Sean Bolton. He feels the desktop integration can be done by the packagers. so the Hexter desktop file has been added after somewhere.15:25
len-1304I'll have a look at the debian package later and see if it is there... 15:27
zequenceLet me just calm myself down after attempting to use image paste services, and the one I usually use is hacked, and the rest rely on Java, which I didn't have15:34
len-1304 :)15:35
len-1304zequence, for what it's worth, the grey BG ends up more the same shade as the theme bg.15:45
len-1304zequence, do you want the slide to be zoomed way out? or can I make it pixel for pixel?15:52
len-1304I think if we are going to ""showcase" the menu it needs to be pixel for pixel or the menu will be too small to really see.15:53
len-1304I have hovered over the graphics menu item because:15:54
len-1304I wanted something not audio.15:54
len-1304we have more graphics people hanging around than any of the others.15:55
zequencelen-1304: I just took a shot of the desktop15:59
zequenceI guess one could take a closeup of the menu instead15:59
zequenceI'd think our main user base are audio users, but doesn't matter to me which menu is displayed15:59
zequencethe audio menu is the most custom15:59
zequenceI see plymoth on my machine, btw16:00
zequenceI think it depends on the graphic card or something16:01
len-1304I see it too, but I have heard comments from people with band new machines who say it just flashes on and off very quick.16:12
len-1304I chose the graphics menu because I would like to see us move from being audio centred to covering all the workflows.16:13
len-1304I would like to attract more people to contribute from other areas.16:13
len-1304Looking at the menu, It is kinda plain, mostly text on grey.16:16
len-1304I think using the menu for our first screen is a bad Idea16:17
zequenceThen use a pic the entire desktop16:17
zequenceWas there some problem with keeping the ratio for those slides?16:17
len-1304zequence, I would like to take the COF from the centre of one of the desktops and expand it so it looks like it is a symbol.16:18
zequenceIf you edit the look of the desktop, it won't look like our desktop16:19
zequenceSo, if you want to showcase the COF, just showcase the COF16:19
len-1304That is what I meant16:22
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zequenceI don't agree that the menu doesn't work though16:23
zequenceIt's just a slide show16:23
len-1304http://imagebin.org/24974316:23
len-1304I think some thing like this16:23
len-1304zequence, ^^16:24
zequenceI could redo the wallpaper with a bigger COF. 16:24
zequenceIt just puts a lot of focus on the wallpaper16:24
zequenceBut, I guess that's ok16:25
zequenceThat's the old wallpaper, isn't it?16:25
zequencenever mind16:25
len-1304I am just talking about the first slide16:28
zequenceI know you are16:28
len-1304If we want to show of the custom menu, we should do a slide that just does that.16:28
len-1304But the first slide just has to say ubuntu studio16:29
len-1304I am willing to try to make another slide to show menus16:30
zequencelen-1304: http://imagebin.org/24974916:32
zequenceI think that works just fine16:32
zequenceThe slideshow is something the user reads while installing16:33
len-1304Ok I can use that one.16:33
len-1304The size will probably work just fine16:33
zequenceThe width is ok, but the height shorter, so I'm guessing there should be no problems16:34
len-1304There is a background behind.16:34
zequenceAre you saying there's a frame which you need to fit perfectly?16:35
len-1304No16:35
len-1304I need to try it to see16:35
len-1304Oh, I have the package on my other computer... Back in a bit16:36
zequencelen-1304: You know how to do it, right? I just had a look at that: ./test-slideshow.sh ubuntustudio16:38
len-1304Ya, but it is on the other machine16:38
zequenceLooks ok to me16:39
zequenceI prefer the blue wallpaper16:39
zequenceYou just need some kind of color16:39
Len-nbI was going to use what you sent me16:40
Len-nbI agree16:40
zequencelen-1304: Do you know where the default wallpaper is set up?16:40
zequencein our source, I mean16:40
zequenceI'm thinking we should just go ahead and do it. If someone disagrees, we can see about changing it between the betas16:41
Len-nbIt will require the change of two packages16:46
Len-nbI think the image goes in look and the setting is in settings16:46
Len-nbDo youn 16:46
Len-nbwant it in lightdm as well?16:47
zequenceYes16:47
zequenceBut, I think it should be there by default now16:47
zequenceIt changes when you change wallpapers16:47
zequenceHowever, there's some sort of bug there. The default wallpaper flashes just before the new one is loaded16:48
zequenceI'm working on adding the wallpaper to -look16:51
Len-nbNo lightdm is separate16:51
Len-nbOk, I can do settings later.16:52
Len-nbI have updated the slideshow, I will send the merge request later.16:52
Len-nbI have to go now though I have practice and playing16:52
Len-nbzequence, ^16:53
Len-nbzequence, BTW I think anyone can link my branch.16:54
zequenceLen-nb: Have fun17:04
zequenceLen-nb: I updated and prepared for a new release for both packages17:52
zequenceLen-nb: Coudn't find anything related to lightgdm, so if you know something I don't, you'll need to fix that17:53
zequenceI asked the Xubuntu guys, and they tell me it's done from the user account service17:53
zequenceWhich would mean setting the default desktop background is enough17:53
zequence..but I know there's supposed to be some lightgdm config, just that I can't figure out where in an Ubuntu Studio installation it would be19:07
len-1304I'll find it. It needs to be set so that it works for sure the first time. I wonder what happens if there is more than one user and they have different wallpapers20:54
len-1304This might be a useful page for those wanting to do a text install: http://maketecheasier.com/install-a-minimal-ubuntu-on-old-laptop/2012/02/24 An ok tutorial for installing from mini.iso21:06
zequencemicahg: To get our new default wallpaper in, we'd need to get two packages updated. I've prepared them for release, but I would also like to ask you for a quick tip on a workflow, for the future. Not sure we're doing everything right now.21:42
zequenceHere's 1. lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio21:42
zequenceand 2. lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/UbuntuStudio21:42
zequencelen-1304: btw, I added both wallpapers, but made the blue version default21:42
zequencemicahg: So, basically, I'd like to prepare so that we take care of all of our packages ourselves, to the point where we ask someone to upload it for us. And I'd just like to know what would be the best way to go about, in simple steps, updating the source, and then preparing the package21:44
Len-nbzequence, there will be three packages :P21:46
zequenceLen-nb: Ah, right. The slides21:47
Len-nbPlus the lightdm-theme21:47
Len-nbzequence, I am thinking we should keep a copy of slides in our set of branches21:48
Len-nbThing is it would most likey always be out of date21:48
Len-nbMaybe not such a great idea21:49
zequencemicahg: So, when we make changes, we bzr commit each change separately with a wise commit msg. And when we are ready to release, we prepare the package, but how would be the best way. Really, just a few example commands for a workflow would be enough to give me the idea21:49
zequenceLen-nb: Yeah, we should just have our own packages there21:49
Len-nbzequence, how do I do a merge  request slideshow?21:49
zequenceLen-nb: Is there a bzr branch for it? I would merge it there. But, one can also just give someone a debdiff I think, and they can update it right away21:50
Len-nbHow do I do that?21:50
Len-nbzequence, make a debdiff?21:51
zequenceLen-nb: Let me write it down 21:51
zequenceI'll start a wiki page about it21:51
Len-nbOK, I'm busy for a bit anyway.21:52
Len-nbzequence, micahg ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme is updated to new background22:02
* Len-nb wanders off to lunch22:02
zequenceLen-nb: Ah, there was a package called that22:11
zequenceLen-nb: I've only done this once, so I might have the wrong idea about a lot of details, but this is essentially what I did with micahg last time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DebDiff22:21
zequenceHowever, looking at the source, it seems different people are uploading changes using bzr, I would presume22:21
zequenceSo, probably a bzr merge should be ok22:22
zequenceI mean, looking at the changelog22:22
Len-nbzequence, I can think of some reasons not to do a debdiff in this case.22:34
Len-nbThis package is universal to all flavours. Making a release ready diff might stomp over another flavour's qued change.22:36
zequenceWell, you can get the source from bzr too22:37
zequenceBut, I'm still voting for a merge22:38
Len-nbzequence, the place i want to merge to has a merge place to merge that to but my page has no place to merge to that.22:49
zequenceLen-nb: I don't remember, but it should work, as long as you created a branch off the branch you are trying to merge with22:55
Len-nbzequence, I had to change my branch to be associated with the right project.23:04
Len-nbMerge is proposed.23:04
zequenceLen-nb: You could ask for a sponsor in one of the channels. don't know which one would be best suitable. Paste the merge request23:10
Len-nbzequence, I was going to ask that next :)  I think what I need is a reviewer.23:15
Len-nbOk, the web page says "Merge proposals to package source branches will automatically subscribe the ~ubuntu-branches team, which should be enough to reach an Ubuntu developer who can review and sponsor your package change."23:24
zequenceYes, but there's no saying if someone will pick it up quickly or not23:24
zequenceIf you're lucky, someone will realize we'd like to have it quickly, and they see to uploading it23:25
Len-nbThey were pretty quick to ask if I could fix it :)23:25
Len-nbThere are a lot of channels around, release is real quiet. Moto is too.23:26
zequenceIt's Sunday too, and you notice that it's not a workday23:27
zequenceFrom channel traffic, but also from a big decrease in mail traffic23:28
Len-nbYa that was my thought too23:28
zequenceThe Beta 1 build I think was to start at 21:00 UTC tomorrow, so that leaves us quite a lot of time to get things uploaded23:28
Len-nbOk, I think I will just leave things as is.23:29
Len-nbNext time I think I will add it ubuntustudio-dev. That way more than one person can work on it.23:32
Len-nbzequence, BTW http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-sponsorship.html is quite helpful.23:37
Len-nbthey suggest doing the merge request first and then if a debdif is requested, it can be downloaded from the merge request.23:38

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