[02:21] <xubuntu422> hello 422 here, how can i check md5sum of xubuntu 12.04 disk?
[03:20] <holstein> !md5 | xubuntu422
[04:16] <xubuntu296> Is there *real* installer for xubuntu 12.10?  One that will let me *choose* what software I want to install?  The only ISOs I could find have installers that decide for themselves what software should be installed.
[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu296: xubuntu is really just ubuntu with a pre-determined set of software installed and configured
[04:18] <holstein> you might prefer just installing minimal and adding what you like.. xfce4 for example and not the xubuntu desktop
[04:18] <holstein> !minimal
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu296: enjoy!
[04:20] <xubuntu296> Thanks, holstein.
[04:28] <shaih> Hello, when i use firefox my cursor randomly dissapears and wont come back until i restart my computer
[04:28] <holstein> shaih: just firefox?
[04:29] <shaih> It is still gone even out of firefox
[04:29] <shaih> though it is still active just invisable
[04:30] <holstein> shaih: and its *only* firefox that seems to cause it?
[04:31] <shaih> the only thing that i have seen so far cause it
[04:31] <holstein> shaih: will you launch ff from the terminal and see if you see any output there?
[04:31] <shaih> it is possible that it happens with other programs
[04:31] <holstein> shaih: anything in particular? like flash?
[04:32] <shaih> holstein: what would the command for that be? And not that i noticed though it happens relatively rarely about once every three hours of constant use
[04:33] <holstein> shaih: it'll be.. open a terminal, type the word "firefox", without the quotation marks.. and press the enter key
[04:33] <shaih> oh sorry i spaced that ff was firefox
[04:34] <holstein> shaih: no worries
[04:34] <shaih> there was no output, simply ff launched
[04:34] <holstein> shaih: what graphics card? nvidia? are you using a proprietary driver?
[04:35] <shaih> i am pretty sure its nvidia, and i have not installed any non-standard drivers
[04:35] <holstein> shaih: you might try that as a troubleshooting step
[04:35] <holstein> !ati
[04:38] <shaih> thanks for the help ill follow those steps and see if it works
[04:38] <shaih> if not ill be back
[04:39] <donnie> I have a 'slave' drive. What should I format and partition it too, to make a storeage/media drive
[04:41] <holstein> donnie: depends... for a linux only system, you might want ext4
[04:42] <donnie> holstein. It should be a linux use only. I don't really plan on going back to windows for anything
[05:43] <Cheri703> leandro: it's generally considered good IRC etiquette to ask before sending private messages.
[05:43] <Maccer> Mh hm.
[05:44] <Maccer> XChat sadly doesn't provide me the context of the channel you message from or are in.
[05:52] <leandro> i have a problem with compiz emerald, it's the windows' frames, when i go to the top right edge with the mouse i cannot click on the 'X' to close the window because it is not fully maximized, i've tried using different themes and other things, does anyone know what can i do?
[06:40] <shadow_fox> hi i am new here.. i am looking for a new os that will support my hardware
[06:40] <shadow_fox> is this os runs on low end hardware also ??
[06:41] <shadow_fox> as in run like if i open up 4-5 concurrent application is that going to halt or run smoothly on my laptop which i bought back in 2006,
[06:42] <shadow_fox> laptop configuration:: hp dv2000 series, 512mb ram upgraded to 1.5gb. harddisk 160gb, intel centrino processor.
[07:03] <Cida> Hey guys. Anyone active?
[07:05] <Cida> Hey guys
[07:05] <SunStar> hi
[07:06] <jarnos> shadow_fox, depends on applications :) If you find xubuntu's desktop environment too heavyweight, there are alternatives.
[07:06] <Cida> Xubuntu is heavy weight for someone's computer? lol
[07:08] <Cida> So I'm relatively new to this thing called Xubuntu, and Linux in general lol. What are some commands I should know?
[07:09] <nikolam> Cida, use man <command> and there is also help.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <jarnos> Cida, well lubuntu is more lightweight and does not use pulseaudio by default. BTW how does current xubuntu handle volume control?
[07:09] <nikolam> Also consult distowatch.com to see the amount of free software distributions out there.
[07:10] <Cida> Guys, I don't even know how to send private messages using XChat cx
[07:10] <Cida> Isn't something like MSG (the person's nick) (the message)
[07:10] <nikolam> yup /msg <nick> message
[07:10] <SunStar> right click on a user's name and select open dialogue window  or query
[07:11] <nikolam> consult your client docs.
[07:12] <Cida> Where do I find the client docs?
[07:12] <SunStar> F1 or Help menu -> Contents
[07:12] <Cida> Oh...
[07:13] <nikolam> I was thinking about manual for irc client app you use, Help>Contents man command, find program project page and see there etc
[07:15] <Cida> mmk cx
[07:16] <Cida> So...another question from the greenest newbie that's probably been in here for a while.
[07:16] <Cida> What's so awesome about Xubuntu versus other Linux OSes?
[07:17] <shadow_fox> jarnos: can you point out what are my options ?
[07:18] <Guest10002> xubuntu is ok but I'll prob switch to crunchbang because this is a really old laptop
[07:18] <Cida> Crunchbang. What kind of name is that? XD
[07:19] <SunStar> xubuntu has a "fresher" software library than the "satle" one offered by debian, as well as a being more lightweight and requiring lower hardware specs
[07:19] <SunStar> stale*
[07:20] <Cida> Sounds nice. And I'm loving the performance my computer has had since I installed Xubuntu on it. Although, I'm not loving this no WiFi business.
[07:20] <Cida> I mean
[07:21] <Cida> It prevents other people from using my computer without my permission and downloading things... But it's so annoying plugging it in to a router
[07:21] <SunStar> your wifi should be working, if its not then it requires fixing. its not that way be design
[07:21] <SunStar> be = by
[07:22] <Cida> I've heard Xubuntu has issues with WiFi for some reason. I've tried fixing it, but I'm too much of newbie to fix it myself
[07:22] <SunStar> try installing ndiswrapper and wicd
[07:22] <SunStar> you can find both in the software center
[07:23] <SunStar> xubuntu has no more issues with wifi than any other buntu or debian
[07:24] <Cida> I wonder why it didn't work for me out of the package cx
[07:25] <SunStar> try installing ndiswrapper and wicd. both can be found in the software center
[07:26] <Cida> I am
[07:27] <Cida> the debconf thing is annoying the crap out of me, though
[07:27] <Cida> cx
[07:27] <Cida> This isn't the first time I've installed something on this computer. But it's still annoying when you're in several chats
[07:28] <SunStar> you can adjust the focus stealing prevention to prevent seeing it
[07:29] <Cida> Do what now?
[07:30] <SunStar> launcher menu -> settings -> settings manager -> Window Manager -> Focus Tab
[07:30] <nikolam> window focus stealing prevention is what I suffer from, too. I will set it , too.
[07:31] <SunStar> takes some twekaing. i usually screw it up so i dont mess with it
[07:32] <nikolam> I just wonder why, since installing I never stop reporting bugs. I like am not sure they will ever get fixed in this LTS.
[07:33] <Cida> I just set it so that the computer focuses on what the mouse is on. Now my computer behaves more like Blender x3
[07:33] <Cida> I've had several problems with crashes, but it's mostly with using Mixcraft through .wine
[07:34] <Cida> So I'm figuring it's not a big deal
[07:35] <Cida> ugh, it's still not letting me turn WiFi on
[07:35] <SunStar> 12 is more aggressive in requesting bug reports
[07:36] <jarnos> shadow_fox, well lubuntu works faster when using my mini-laptop; chromium-browser is defaut there instead of firefox.
[07:37] <SunStar> go to a terminal and type "sudo lspci" to find out what chipset the wifi uses
[07:37] <SunStar> i hate lubuntu  >_<
[07:37] <bazhang> no sudo needed for lspci
[07:38] <Cida> What information from this do I need
[07:38] <Cida> It pulls up like 50 lines of info
[07:38] <bazhang> perhaps you are thinking of sudo lshw
[07:39] <jarnos> shadow_fox, I have not tried latest releases, but they tend to get heavier.
[07:40] <nikolam> SunStar, yes, more bugs get reported, but is gives me a bad impression, like eather I fix it myself in code, or they will bug me forever while using LTS. I can not recommend that for novice user that just installed Xubuntu 12+ and needs to be assured he is using stable platform.
[07:40] <nikolam> Eather they do not repeat all the time in GUI and get reported behind scenes, or community shoud fix them all and update repos.
[07:41] <SunStar> Cida, somewhere in there you should see info about network controller
[07:41] <SunStar> unless its a USB wifi, the the command would be lsusb
[07:41] <jarnos> shadow_fox, maybe your hp is faster anyway.
[07:43] <jarnos> shadow_fox, you may want to remove pulseaudio, if you don't need it. Lubuntu (12.04 at least) does not have it by default.
[07:44] <shadow_fox> jarnos: all i want that i can do multiple works at the same time without any halt
[07:45] <Cida> It says "Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)" when I use lspci
[07:45] <Cida> Now
[07:46] <Cida> Knowing that information... What do I do? Search up dribers?
[07:46] <bazhang> !broadcom | Cida
[07:46] <Cida> drivers*
[07:47] <SunStar> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[07:51] <Sir_Leto> I'm using a bluetooth keyboar that has no page up /page down keys, how do I scroll in irsssi without them?
[07:52] <bazhang> try in #irssi ? Sir_Leto
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> I assumed you show me how to remap keys, but okay
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> *would
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> thanks
[08:00] <Cida> Um
[08:01] <Cida> So I downloaded it
[08:01] <Cida> Now I'm not sure how to install it. I used tar -zxvf on the tar.gz file it gave me
[08:01] <Cida> And
[08:02] <Cida> I can't find an executable for installion
[08:02] <bazhang> Cida, downloaded what?
[08:02] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx   <---- Cida did you follow this?
[08:03] <SunStar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing_STA_drivers
[08:04] <SunStar> thats the next step
[08:04] <bazhang> not via PM Cida
[08:08] <SunStar> make sure you enable restricted extras and all that jazz in software sources (launcher menu -> settings -> software sources)
[09:22] <andrzejr> Hi, I'm working on an indicator plugin for xfce panel
[09:23] <andrzejr> what indicators are currently in Raring? I only see two on my system (soundmenu and application)
[09:24] <SunStar> #ubuntu-app-devel
[09:27] <andrzejr> SunStar, thanks. I thought this is specific to xubuntu (all indicators in ubuntu have moved to gtk3)
[09:27] <SunStar> oh yeah maybe thats not the best place
[09:29] <nikolam> there is #xfce channel also.
[10:19] <baizon> andrzejr: all indicators, that dont have gtk3 dependencies are working with xubuntu
[10:19] <baizon> andrzejr: if it is allowed, on what indicator are you? :)
[10:28] <xubuntu960> hello
[10:29] <SunStar> hi
[10:29] <baizon> to late SunStar
[13:15] <Ned_Flanders> hi can anyone help me?
[13:18] <Wizard> It depends.
[13:18] <Ned_Flanders> well
[13:18] <Wizard> !ask
[13:19] <Ned_Flanders> I installed Ubuntu 12.4 and Gnome. I am on unity system monitor and it says 1.8 gb RAM being used?
[13:21] <Wizard> Hmm.. with empty desktop?
[13:21] <Ned_Flanders> yes
[13:21] <Ned_Flanders> is that normal?
[13:22] <Wizard> I'm not quite sure, I haven't used Unity for a while, but afaik it taken less than 1G
[13:22] <Genrawir> That seems  a bit high, but if Gnome and Unity do tend to use a bit more RAM than XUbuntu (XFCE). Perhaps you can try to disable background services, there are quite a few of them on by default.
[13:23] <Ned_Flanders> how much RAM does XFCE use?
[13:23] <Ned_Flanders> what background services do you suggest i deactivate
[13:24] <Wizard> Currently my Xubuntu takes 1577424 bytes.
[13:24] <Wizard> It's been running for a while, has few apps open.
[13:24] <Ned_Flanders> so about 1.5gb?
[13:24] <Wizard> I bet half of that are disk buffers.
[13:24] <Wizard> Yes.
[13:24] <Ned_Flanders> what apps do u have open
[13:25] <Wizard> xhcat, few terminals, system monitor.
[13:25] <Wizard> I think it takes less than 500MB after boot.
[13:25] <Ned_Flanders> hmm i think ill uninstall gnome/unity and go with something else then
[13:25] <Genrawir> see what the output of 'top' says. That should tell you where your RAM went.
[13:26] <Wizard> 1577424
[13:26] <Ned_Flanders> i took a screenshot of system monitor: http://i50.tinypic.com/dnyjyt.png
[13:27] <Ned_Flanders> i need a linux desktop that uses the least memory
[13:27] <Ned_Flanders> what do u recommend?
[13:27] <baizon> xubuntu
[13:27] <Wizard> xubuntu :>
[13:28] <Genrawir> You can try to install the xubuntu-desktop package. This is the Xubuntu chan after all.
[13:28] <Genrawir> Lubuntu is another option.
[13:28] <baizon> xubuntu is better :P
[13:28] <Ned_Flanders> there seems to be a concensus here for xbuntu
[13:28] <Ned_Flanders> i guess i should of read the chan name lol
[13:29] <Ned_Flanders> hang on
[13:29] <Wizard> :P
[13:29] <Ned_Flanders> why does Xubuntu website say its an operating system?
[13:29] <Genrawir> It's easy enough to try it out, just open a terminal and 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' then you can just log-out and pick it when you login.
[13:30] <Ned_Flanders> could u help me remove all traces of gnome/unity please
[13:30] <Ned_Flanders> how do i log out of unity btw
[13:31] <Ned_Flanders> ?
[13:32] <Ned_Flanders> there is no log out button
[13:32] <Wizard> There is logout option in this * button.
[13:33] <Genrawir> top right should be the power icon, if not terminal 'sudo shutdown -r now' will restart the computer.
[13:34] <Genrawir> That's not quite the same as logging out, since it is a full restart.
[13:35] <Ned_Flanders> should i shut down before uninstalling unity
[13:36] <Genrawir> You should install Xubuntu-desktop and then log in to it, and then uninstall unity from there.
[13:38] <Ned_Flanders> so is xubuntu an operating system or is it a desktop enviroment like gnome
[13:38] <Ned_Flanders> i am confused
[13:39] <Wizard> LOL
[13:39] <Ned_Flanders> sorry if that is very noob
[13:40] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: Don't worry ;)
[13:40] <Genrawir> Well XFCE is the desktop, but it's based on Ubuntu (which is based on Debian) but you can install it without ever installing Unity.
[13:40] <Wizard> Yes, for more information about XFCE, visit their website or read Wikipedia article :)
[13:41] <Ned_Flanders> so i am just installing XFCE and not xubuntu now?
[13:41] <Wizard> Ah, yes and no.
[13:41] <Wizard> You don't get the point, let me explain.
[13:42] <Wizard> Ubuntu, as all Linux distros, is modular.
[13:42] <Genrawir> You should probably install the xubuntu-desktop package since it will pull in all the other stuff that Xubuntu uses. Just a bare XFCE install is quite sparse.
[13:42] <Wizard> You can install apps and services from repository, replace default apps and so.
[13:42] <Wizard> That is what Xubuntu is - Ubuntu with different set of applications.
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> yes u get it
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> so i dont need to rebuild my OStemplate
[13:43] <Wizard> Desktop is just a set of application, Xubuntu developers used XFCE.
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> i*
[13:43] <Wizard> Nope, just install xubuntu-destkop
[13:43] <Wizard> It is a meta package containing dependencies to all software Xubuntu includes.
[13:45] <Ned_Flanders> what the terminal command to install it
[13:45] <Wizard> Uh, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <Ned_Flanders> 382MB
[13:46] <Wizard> You can also download Xubuntu ISO and perform a clean install if you wish.
[13:46] <Ned_Flanders> o_0
[13:47] <Wizard> What?
[13:47] <Ned_Flanders> as well as xubuntu-desktop?
[13:48] <Ned_Flanders> whats the difference between doing that and installing xubuntu-desktop then deleting all traces of unity/gnome
[13:48] <Ned_Flanders> it will be a clean install then won't it?
[13:49] <Wizard> It will be, but removing packages all packages will probably take longer than downloading ISO and installing system, especially if you use VM ;P
[13:49] <Wizard> But do what you like.
[13:49] <Ned_Flanders> well i already entered apt-get install xubuntu-desktop in the terminal
[13:49] <Ned_Flanders> but i want to do what you said
[13:50] <Wizard> Do what you like, it's your os.
[13:50] <Wizard> First steps in Ubuntu?
[13:50] <Ned_Flanders> yes
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> Ok so if i download Xubuntu ISO it will overite everything?
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> including unity and xubuntu-desktop that i just downloaded
[13:51] <Genrawir> Yes it will.
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> ok whats the command
[13:51] <Wizard> The command of what?
[13:52] <Ned_Flanders> I wish to do that
[13:53] <Ned_Flanders> should i shut down unity first and do it in putty?
[13:54] <Ned_Flanders> shutdown -p
[13:55] <Wizard> What putty, for the god's sake?
[13:55] <Ned_Flanders> ssh client
[13:55] <Wizard> OK, ski jumping is back on air, see you later :P
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> genrawir
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> 13:46  Wizard          • You can also download Xubuntu ISO and perform a clean install if you wish.
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> how do i do this
[13:57] <Genrawir> If you download the ISO, burn it to disc and pop it in the drive it will install the OS...
[13:57] <Ned_Flanders> i dont have a disk
[13:57] <Ned_Flanders> cannot i not install it from terminal
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> i have a vps
[13:58] <Genrawir> The command I mentioned will install xubuntu.
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> your command was just for the desktop
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> not for the xbuntu ISO
[13:58] <Genrawir> I guess I misunderstood your question.
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> clean install overwrite
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> I want to install xubuntu ISO clean install
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> and overwrite everything
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> whats the command ill enter it in my ssh client
[14:01] <Genrawir> The iso file is really for doing a desktop install. I don't have a VPS, but if I did I would just install the meta-package.
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> yeah but wizzard said it will take longer to delete all the packages from unity
[14:02] <Genrawir> The only time I dealt with a VPS, the OS was preloaded by the host.
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> my OS was preloaded with Ubuntu 12.4
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> thats what im using
[14:03] <Genrawir> So then just install the meta-package and be done with it.
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> yeah i just did
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> rebooting the system now :)
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> then i need help removing all traces of unity/gnome
[14:05] <Ned_Flanders> if u dont mind
[14:08] <Ned_Flanders> damn it
[14:09] <Myrtti> why on earth would you have Unity and gnome on a vps?
[14:10] <Genrawir> I'm leaving to go shopping, but removing unity should simply be a 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop'. I should mention that this may remove some stuff you actually wanted, but you can always re-install
[14:11] <Ned_Flanders> ok thanks
[14:11] <Ned_Flanders> and why maybe because i want to use the desktop Myrtti
[14:12] <Myrtti> from a VPS?
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> yea
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> im changing to xubuntu though as it uses less ram
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> unity was taking up so much
[14:21] <ronalds> Ned-Flanders, you might want to try openbox later
[14:21] <ronalds> it's super lightweight, doesn't comes with panals or icons, but can be added
[14:23] <ronalds> openbox+nitrogen+conky+tint2+nice startup script for it
[14:23] <ronalds> pcmanfm for file managing
[14:24] <ronalds> takes 4 % of ram without anything
[14:29] <Ned_Flanders> can it run things like java
[14:29] <Ned_Flanders> and firefox
[14:30] <Ned_Flanders> my xbuntu desktop just crashed when i closed the terminal wtf
[14:32] <Ned_Flanders> now i see a grey screen on my vnc
[14:35] <Ned_Flanders> im rebooting my vps because i don't know how to get out the grey screen
[14:38]  * Wizard yawns
[14:40] <Ned_Flanders> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
[14:41] <Ned_Flanders> when i type startxfce4
[14:42] <Ned_Flanders> Hello?
[14:42] <Ned_Flanders> !help
[15:03] <paparent> Hi ! Anyone has 'xfdesktop' using 100% of a cpu core? :(
[15:10] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: ping
[15:10] <Wizard> paparent: Works fine for me :)
[15:11] <oid> Do any normal people use Linux or is it just for hardcore computer geeks?
[15:11] <Wizard> LOL, best question ever :D
[15:12] <paparent> I've that kept back:
[15:12] <paparent> The following packages have been kept back: xfdesktop4 (4.10.1-0ubuntu1~ppa0.12.04.1 => 4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ppa0.12.04.1)
[15:12] <Wizard> oid: It depends. My mom isn't a hadcore geek, but I installed Linux for her.
[15:13] <Wizard> paparent: apt-get dist-upgrade usually works ;] Remember that PPAs are not supported.
[15:13] <oid> Wizard: can she use it?
[15:14] <Wizard> System doesn't matter for her. She's a total n00b. Seems XFCE is much easier than Windows XP or Windows 7 :D
[15:14] <Wizard> My father also appreciated Xubuntu.
[15:15] <paparent> Wizard: Yeah, finally get some webpage explaining that... (doing dist-upgrade doesn'T help.. guess the new package isnt ready yet).
[15:16] <Wizard> In contrast, my colegues at work (professional coders) are totally lost in every single linux server side.
[15:16] <Wizard> Sad.
[15:18] <Wizard> oid: Xubuntu is  pretty straightforward if it comes about daily tasks. Real problems start when people think of Linux as "Free Mac OS"..
[15:18] <Wizard> Or "Free Windows" or actually of anything which Linux isn't, wasn't and never will be.
[15:36] <scottbomb> testing iso
[16:52] <Ned_Flanders> wizard are u there?
[16:55] <Ned_Flanders> ?
[17:10] <xubuntu832> help
[17:10] <xubuntu832> just downloaded xbuntu made an image but It wont boot on an old laptop
[17:11] <xubuntu832> jemand da  anybody here???
[17:13] <Genrawir> xubuntu832: Where does it fail? I assume you set the BIOS to boot from CD?
[17:15] <Genrawir> xubuntu832: I also personally prefer to install from a netinst iso, since a liveCD is often a bad idea on old hardware.
[17:25] <Dantas_> hello, which program do i use to set up my wireless card as an access point?
[17:25] <koegs> Dantas_: hostapd
[17:26] <Dantas_> thank you koegs :)
[17:42] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: I had to go out.
[17:43]  * Wizard yawns.
[17:43] <Sir_Leto> umm, I've completely screweed up audio trying to get bluetooth to work, how do I get everything back to default?
[17:44] <Sir_Leto> would an apt-get purge and reinstall work?
[17:44] <Wizard> Yes, if you messed with files in /etc.
[17:44] <Wizard> Watch out for dependencies.
[17:45] <Wizard> Alas, reinstalling packages is not the best option.
[17:51] <Wizard> Guys, is it possible to create NAT by clicking it out from network manager or should I abandon all hope and use iptables magic instead?
[17:51] <Sir_Leto> fixed
[17:53] <xubuntu487> ?
[17:55] <Wizard> Seems it is possible!
[17:56] <Wizard> It even created DHCP server automatically o_O'
[17:59] <Wizard> And.. everything without giving any root password. Amazing.
[18:35] <xubuntu099> Hi Guys
[18:38] <Ned_Flanders> Wizard
[18:46] <Ned_Flanders> I installed xubuntu-destkop
[18:47] <Ned_Flanders> how come I see XFCE
[18:48] <baizon> Ned_Flanders: xubuntu uses xfce as DE, thats the reason
[18:48] <Wizard> Because XFCE is Xubuntu's desktop.
[18:49] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: Could you write what do you want to achieve?
[18:57] <Ned_Flanders> ok
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> its just when i looked at google pictures of xunbutu desktop
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> they were different
[18:58] <Wizard> Different?
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> to how xfce looked
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> but if its the same thing then great
[18:59] <Wizard> Hmm.. How different?
[18:59] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: my xfce does not look like default either , I changed it
[19:02] <Ned_Flanders> is it possible to change the theme
[19:02] <SunStar> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[19:02] <Ned_Flanders> mine doesn't look anything like the screenshots on http://xubuntu.org/
[19:02] <Wizard> If you changed it..
[19:03] <Wizard> Mine doesn't look either.
[19:03] <Ned_Flanders> i havent changed it yet
[19:04] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: have you check the "About" in the menu
[19:06] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: maybe you installed something else by accident
[19:07] <Ned_Flanders> version 4.8
[19:08] <Wizard> recon_lap: I'll wait for his screenshot.
[19:08] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: and way it a clean install, or have you change the wm in a ubuntu install
[19:08] <recon_lap> way/was
[19:11] <Ned_Flanders> screenshot: http://i47.tinypic.com/2wm270z.png
[19:12] <Ned_Flanders> i did 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[19:12] <Ned_Flanders> then deleted unity/gnome
[19:15] <Wizard> Looks pretty default.
[19:15] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: well that looks like the default xfce screen, the one you saw is probably tweaked by the XUbuntu team on the xubuntu install.
[19:15] <Ned_Flanders> oh
[19:15] <Ned_Flanders> well thats ok
[19:15] <recon_lap> xfce package != xubuntu
[19:16] <Wizard> Yuck, VM.
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> it almost had me thinking xbuntu desktop and xfce were to different things
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> became xfce has its own website too
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> and it looked different
[19:16] <SunStar> they are
[19:17] <Ned_Flanders> *gives up on life*
[19:18] <SunStar> xubuntu is an OS, xfce is a GUI you can use on pretty much any distro
[19:18] <SunStar> xubuntu uses xfce by default
[19:18] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: xubuntu uses xfce, ubuntu uses  unity.
[19:19] <Ned_Flanders> i have xubuntu installed on my ubuntu ostemplate
[19:20] <SunStar> so now you have xfce and all the default apps that come with xubuntu
[19:20] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: you have xfce installed on ubuntu, it's not quite xubuntu
[19:20] <Ned_Flanders> so i dont have the true xubuntu desktop?
[19:20] <Ned_Flanders> i thought i did have xubuntu when i installed 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[19:21] <SunStar> you have a mashup between ubuntu and xubuntu (it doesnt really matter.)
[19:21] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: you've got the desktop. but there is probably a lot of odd ubuntu stuff under the hood not being used
[19:21] <SunStar> its basicly the same but you have a mix of the ubuntu default apps and the xubuntu default apps
[19:21] <SunStar> no big deal
[19:22] <Ned_Flanders> good to hear
[19:22] <Ned_Flanders> well i can sleep easy at night now knowing that i have the true xubuntu desktop that all xubuntu's use
[19:23] <Ned_Flanders> i deleted all the unity jazz
[19:27] <Ned_Flanders> i guess some guy was wondering the same thing as me http://askubuntu.com/questions/91380/what-is-the-difference-between-ubuntuxfce-and-xubuntu
[19:35] <Ned_Flanders> im quite happy with xubuntu though its using alot less RAM than unity
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