[01:38] shadeslayer: hm, looked at LXC again, and I'm still not quite sure what's wrong. What I do know is that 'running-in-container' which is based on /etc/init/container-detect.conf doesn't return the right value during kernel setup. [01:38] that doesn't really make sense though because a few packages earlier it does the right thing during an apparmor restar [01:38] t [01:46] * yofel is off to bed, good night [02:07] nini yofel [07:26] good morning [08:13] ::qt-bugs:: [1131070] Wrong font for slovak numbers. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131070 (by Peter Adamka) [08:46] Good morning === yofel_ is now known as yofel === murthy_ is now known as murthy [09:01] hello everyone [09:10] * smartboyhw says hi [09:11] smartboyhw: hi [09:11] Hi murthy [09:11] Did Muon 1.9.95 got packaged? [09:11] smartboyhw: raring? [09:11] murthy, yep [09:11] Yes:) [09:11] smartboyhw: checking [09:11] murthy, I checked [09:11] and yes [09:12] nice [09:13] murthy, :) [09:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1152255 [09:14] Launchpad bug 1152255 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] qtweetlib" [Wishlist,New] [09:14] murthy, you want to do it? [09:14] smartboyhw: do we need to update the above bug report? [09:14] murthy, well is it packaged already? [09:15] smartboyhw: it was in the queue when i last checked [09:15] last time I checked it was stuck in source NEW [09:15] yofel, oh [09:15] :D [09:15] murthy, "Fix Committed" [09:15] I think.... [09:15] ok i will update it [09:16] * Tm_T huggles and cuddles smartboyhw [09:16] Tm_T, :) [09:17] Tm_T: i am left out? [09:17] * smartboyhw hugs murthy [09:17] murthy hugs smartboyhw back :) [09:19] yofel: I think the changelog wont contain the bug id , so do we have to update the bug report manually ? [09:19] yes [09:19] yofel: where can i find the commit id? [09:20] what commit id? [09:21] yofel: don't we have some kind of id generated after the package is build [09:21] not really [09:22] you do get a lp:ubuntu/qtweetlib branch after it is accepted, but you don't usually refer to that on the bug [09:22] what launchpad does itself usually is close the bug and copy/paste the changelog entry as a comment. [09:22] so you can do that if you want [09:23] yofel: yofel: ok. can you direct me to a webpage where i can find the list of packaging tags( example [needs-packaging]) [09:24] most of the *official* bug tags are documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags [09:24] yofel: so we have unofficial tags? [09:25] yes, if you look at a bug, you'll see tags in dark- and light-blue, dark are official ones, light unofficial ones [09:25] the official ones get auto-completion when you edit the tags, that's pretty much all [09:26] ok [10:25] "Timothy Pearson (kb9vqf) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-03-17" interesting, the Trinity guy is still wanting to be one of us === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [10:39] 'Morning all [10:42] good morning BluesKaj [10:42] Hi Riddell [10:43] * BluesKaj enjoys an early morning coffee ... may as well add to the insomnia :) [10:46] Hey Riddell [10:50] Whoo the new ubiquity looks very nice :) [10:50] lordievader: ya looks awesome [10:51] is the new ubiquity present in the daily build [10:51] brb [10:51] i take it bug 1153035 is fixed then [10:51] bug 1153035 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu daily build installer crashed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153035 [10:51] and a few others should be duped on to it [10:53] xnox: The choice to try Kubuntu is given, testing the live-env now. [11:04] ~time [11:04] Asia - Kolkata - Mon Mar 11 16:34 IST [11:05] possible to set 12 hrs format? [11:19] Kde-Daemon crashes when I get to the desktop with the latest daily of raring. I'm trying to report this bug however I get the error that he failed to communicate with kded. This is probably related to the afore mentioned bug. How do I proceed? [11:22] lordievader: manually report? [11:23] lordievader: do you have the complete backtrace ? [11:23] murthy: I have a .kcrash file. Is that what you mean? [11:24] lordievader: did drkonq popup? [11:24] lordievader: i assume the necessary debug symbols already installed [11:26] lordievader: the kcrash is fine, but does it have the needed information? [11:26] murthy: It's the live env, I just installed them I think. There was some error, I believe they are installed though. [11:27] The crash reporting assistant rates it three stars (The generated crash information is useful) [11:27] should be fine then [11:27] lordievader: in that case you can report the bug manually attaching the kcrash file [11:28] Ok will do. [11:31] Kdeinit bugs should that go in kde or in kdelibs? [11:33] lordievader: can you pastebin the crash please? [11:34] lordievader: kdelibs [11:34] yofel: The kcrash file? [11:34] yes [11:35] http://paste.kde.org/693314 [11:35] lordievader: possible duplicate ? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75492 [11:35] KDE bug 75492 in kdeinit "KDEInit could not launch " [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:36] lordievader: bug in kscreen [11:36] #6 KScreen::Mode::size (this=0x0) at /build/buildd/libkscreen-0.0.71/src/mode.cpp:84 [11:36] afiestas: ^ [11:37] fun, while I'm talking about crashes here kmail crashes on me... [11:37] heh [11:37] i am using 4.10.1 and plasma is crashing sometimes [11:38] i have to take a look at the log [11:38] lordievader: please file it here: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=KScreen&format=guided [11:40] wow, kmail crashed in QString's destructor o.O http://paste.kde.org/693326 [11:41] kmail is a mess , unfixable on a lot of systems [11:42] yofel: what kubuntu version and qt version? [11:42] it ~works for me, as in: the performance finally reached tolerable dimnetions [11:42] murthy: that's raring [11:44] Riddell: You have the time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/plasmate/fix-for-1152730/+merge/152538 [11:45] bkerensa: we usually avoid exactly this confusion by making a patch from upstream git and just adding that to the package [11:45] yofel: aye... the other day he had said just to MP it [11:45] =o [11:46] bkerensa: it needs to be a patch yes, and there's some more uses of the incorrect version number in there [11:46] bkerensa: do you know how to do that or would you like some help? [11:47] hi bkerensa [11:47] Riddell: Ahh I can just get a patch to you guys [11:47] bkerensa: do a grep for 0.1alpha3 to find other uses [11:47] kk [11:53] Bug reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316525 [11:53] KDE bug 316525 in common "Kde daemon crashes on startup of daily-live cd kubuntu 13.04" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:54] thanks! [11:55] No problem :), part of the job of a Kubuntu Tester ain't it ;) [11:56] lordievader: are you part of the testing team? [11:56] murthy: Yes, I am :D [11:56] lordievader: cool [11:57] It's great I really like it! [11:57] hm, now the try/install selection screen on the image has a Quit button that shouldn't be there [11:57] ya [11:58] yofel: does the daily build have the new ubiquity ? [11:58] yes, the fixed one that is [11:58] yes. [11:58] yes. [11:58] yes. [11:58] ^^ [11:58] nice [11:59] Also one can check the versions of the packages in tha manifest, which is right next to the image one downloads =) [12:02] xnox: was that a network issue? [12:03] * yofel filed bug 1153557 [12:03] bug 1153557 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-kde try/install kubuntu selection screen has a misplaced quit button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153557 [12:03] yofel: just testing it now, apachelogger had a fix for that [12:03] * Riddell greps logs [12:03] good [12:04] murthy: no, just me being over annoyed at hitting "ubiquity" highlight way too many times on #k-d today =)))) [12:04] I also confirmed.. [12:04] install now button should turn back into next [12:04] slideshow doesn't slide [12:04] xnox: oh sorry about that [12:05] me downloading the daily live , will be testing soon [12:08] xnox, agateau: bug 1153035 crash seems to be fixed but the button still doesn't go from Install Now to Next [12:08] bug 1153035 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu daily build installer crashed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153035 [12:08] murthy: fixed [12:08] you should ship snapshots as I said weeks ago [12:08] afiestas: cool [12:08] afiestas: of what? [12:08] Riddell: of kscreen and libkscreen [12:08] will release a new version today, but still development go fast [12:08] we can';t make a release everyday with every single bugfix [12:09] Riddell: looking at it [12:09] Riddell: yeah, "my fix" for pyflakes test, caused it to crash, with this fix up in place at least it doesn't crash and installation finishes. [12:09] agateau: yeah, please patch it up properly. And please run pyflakes before commiting code, otherwise we cannot make ubiquity release (it will FTBFS) [12:18] What did I miss? [12:18] ... [12:19] we achieved world domination [12:19] microsoft admitted defeat [12:20] ?? [12:20] xnox: mmm, I don't like boolean args as positional arguments, they make calling code hard to read [12:20] Not just world domination actually, the entire universe is ours! [12:20] Riddell, found an alterbate universe [12:20] agateau: sure, but you cannot use "install" as that masks the import from the very top of the module. [12:20] alternate that is [12:21] agateau: in that case use a different name, or use ubiquity.foo.install instead of from ubiquity.foo import install. [12:21] xnox: will fix. strange that my vim pyflakes plugin did not detect that [12:21] or something =) [12:22] agateau: cjwatson was reporting some strange behaviour of the pyflakes vim plugin. [12:22] maybe there is a bug there [12:22] * xnox uses python [12:22] * xnox uses emacs, that is [12:22] just upgraded 12.10 to 13.04 on 3 machine :) works fine and fast [12:22] and ./tests/run-pyflakes & ./tests/run-pep8 [12:22] soee: how did you upgrade? [12:23] Riddell, do-release-upgrade -d [12:23] soee: KDE frontend? [12:24] well yes, but this machine lie 1.5 year ago was initially ubuntu with unity, than i installed on it KDE and removed most of unity and gnome stuff so i assume its KDE only now (maybe with some few packages left from gnome) [12:26] Riddell, what!? [12:29] soee, kubuntu-desktop too ,I presume [12:32] BluesKaj, true, http://wstaw.org/w/1Kpb/ [12:33] soee, right [12:33] Any apps to package?:P [12:33] * smartboyhw is waiting for Calligra 2.6.2 to be tagged anyway [12:35] the kde-workspace-randr stuff is still to be done if you're bored [12:35] that might be good to have before beta [12:36] oh ~ 2 weeks till beta ? [12:37] ~1.5 rather [12:37] ah no [12:37] yofel, 0.5 :P [12:37] LOL [12:37] ~0.5 till beta1, ~2.5 till beta [12:37] Yep. [12:37] * yofel had FinalBetaFreeze in the head [12:38] yofel, do we have a bug for that? [12:38] not sure, it has a work item on trello [12:38] Ah I am now Kubuntu member and I think I can be added to trello. [12:39] yeah, just give one of us admins the account id [12:39] yofel, howanchan I think [12:40] done [12:41] OK assigned... [12:42] yofel, we mean to add it as a new source package right? [12:42] that's already there, just empty [12:42] but yeah, that's the plan [12:43] smartboyhw: er wait, new binary package, not new source package [12:43] yofel, what do you mean by it's already there? [12:43] yofel, ah LOL [12:43] it's still part of kde-workspace [12:43] * smartboyhw got it then:P [12:43] !info kde-workspace-randr raring [12:43] kde-workspace-randr (source: kde-workspace): randr tools from kde-workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 14 kB, installed size 148 kB [12:44] hm [12:44] aht is the current libreoffice version available for raring ? 4.0 beta2 ? [12:44] soee, 4.0.1.2 [12:44] yofel, someone fixed it already? [12:44] smartboyhw, do i need any extra repos to get this ? [12:44] soee, no [12:44] I think [12:44] Just the normal Raring archive.... [12:45] not really [12:45] Riddell: got any work for the randr stuff lying around? ^ [12:45] smartboyhw, ah yes it wasn't updated after sys upgrade [12:45] smartboyhw: lintian -> W: kde-workspace-randr: empty-binary-package [12:46] so *only* the package is there [12:46] yofel, OK:) [12:47] shadeslayer, on the QtWebKit thing wasn't the latest release 2.6.0 ? [12:48] yofel: umm, did I mess it up? [12:48] Riddell: kde-workspace-randr is empty [12:48] guess I did [12:48] hmm "Następujące pakiety zostały zatrzymane: [12:48] libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-help-pl" [12:49] this packages were stopped [12:49] * smartboyhw is currently looking at where the randr files is located [12:49] Riddell: do you have the work done already? so smartboyhw doesn't do it again [12:49] http://paste.kde.org/693410/ [12:49] did you bzr add that? ^^ [12:49] yofel, he did:P [12:49] jr@gallus:~/src/kde-workspace/kde-workspace/debian⚡bzr status [12:49] unknown: debian/kde-workspace-randr.install [12:49] that'll be my issue [12:50] heh [12:50] Riddell, I will assign the card to you then [12:50] I think you didn't *remove* the files from the other packages though [12:50] as I still get the krandr popup when I connect a screen [12:51] tsk, let me fix this [12:51] smartboyhw: if you're looking for things to do afiestas asked for a snapshot of {lib,}kscreen [12:52] Riddell, OK. But why snapshot? [12:52] Don't we have an actual new release? [12:52] smartboyhw: because it is a fairly new software and we can't make a release for each bugfix [12:53] afiestas, well OK then. [12:53] we keep getting bugs reproted using 13.04 that are fixed since ages [12:53] What version name should I put to it? [12:53] we'll make a new release today but maybe tomorrow we have 4 new fixes :/ [12:53] smartboyhw: there's probably daily builds of it somewhere you can just take [12:53] afiestas, uh [12:54] Riddell: I was surprised because I remember talking about it and someone told me "ok we'll do it" [12:55] but it never happened [12:55] afiestas: about what? [12:55] about daily for kscreen/libkscreen [12:56] hmm you're right, no daily builds in launchpad [12:57] good night [12:57] afiestas, where is the code stored? [12:57] oops [12:58] nm [12:58] seems like shadeslayer got halfway. There's an import for kscreen, but not libkscreen and no recipes [12:58] smartboyhw: kde git [12:58] added import for libkscreen now [12:58] got it [13:00] afiestas, I will just call it 0.0.72-alpha [13:01] or whatsoever [13:01] I think we need FFe though [13:01] smartboyhw: Why not 0.0.42-alpha ;) [13:01] lordievader, I don't know the package version. Let me check again [13:02] smartboyhw: It's a joke... 42 -> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. [13:02] smartboyhw: not if there's no new features [13:02] lordievader, LOL [13:02] afiestas, any? [13:02] * smartboyhw is checking the git code [13:03] Hmm wait since we used a->b for 4.10.1 releases, I should use 0.0.71a.... [13:03] * smartboyhw is really not sure on how to use version numbers for dailies [13:04] Riddell, ^ [13:04] smartboyhw: 0.0.71+git20130311 is one way [13:05] Riddell, ah good I will use that one then:) [13:15] Riddell, got libkscreen in the kubuntu-packaging branch now, ready to upload [13:16] smartboyhw: got a .dsc for me to dget? [13:17] Riddell, oh yeah. Let me upload first [13:17] afiestas: Does solid in 4.10 work with logind from systemd? [13:18] are we getting logind in 13.04? [13:18] There's an FFe asking for it. [13:19] great..... === murthy is now known as murthy_ [13:21] Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/libkscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc [13:22] smartboyhw: uploaded! [13:22] Riddell, thx [13:22] Now the main kscreen [13:23] ScottK: nope, need patches that are in master [13:23] How mature are they? [13:23] Could you help us out with this if Ubuntu desktop switches? [13:23] sure [13:24] lightdm needs some work, the rest works fine [13:24] OK. Thanks. I'll let you know if they decide to do it. [13:24] they should [13:24] lightdm the greeter or the core application? [13:24] both [13:24] OK. [13:26] afiestas, hell I can't build kscreen [13:27] afiestas, http://paste.kde.org/693428/ [13:28] libkscreen too old maybe? [13:28] yofel, dunno [13:28] yofel, waiting for the upload to finish building [13:28] yofel, that's the 0.0.71 release I'm using [13:28] Not the git snapshot [13:29] yeah, getting the same here [13:29] * yofel needs to add kscreen to neon [13:29] Hmm [13:35] Riddell, just wondering: The present KC members discussed yesterday about the Mumble meeting, so aren't we supposed to select a date? [13:35] * smartboyhw has realized that he can now vote on the Council's vacancies [13:35] Who's running? I forgotten [13:35] smartboyhw: yes, Darkwing said he'd look into finding a date [13:36] but I've not heard anything [13:36] smartboyhw: Nominations are still open. [13:36] So we don't know yet. [13:37] Darkwing himself is one [13:42] how's this? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/11/i-agree-canonical [13:43] smartboyhw: congrats and welcome [13:43] * apachelogger had nice internet failz yesterday -.- [13:43] sorry for not being at the meeting [13:44] Riddell: found the ubiquity fix? [13:44] apachelogger: yeah it's committed thanks [13:45] \o/ [13:45] Riddell: Nice post ;) [13:53] Riddell, smartboyhw I'm tossing that email today about mumble meeting [13:57] Riddell: If you consider smart phones to be part of the market, Bug 1 is fixed. [13:57] FWIW. [13:58] exactly, but not by nice fluffy community made software [14:00] True, but that's not what bug 1 says. [14:00] bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [14:00] Riddell, did you see https://plus.google.com/116812394236590806058/posts/SwC1CheXX65 ? [14:00] I felt insulted by the "less open than you think". [14:02] ScottK: if you consider anything but desktop&laptop-like machines bug no 1 never existed I suppose [14:03] Darkwing, yeah [14:03] apachelogger, thx [14:03] "Contrary to competitor FUD, from people who are not working as openly as they would have you believe" [14:03] Well, they did have a decent run at mobile with I think windows mobile 6 or some thing. [14:04] some days I feel like using strong language publically really [14:04] ScottK: with limited scope [14:04] ScottK: their weird mobile OS was almost exclusively used in mobile automation envrionments [14:04] in bars for example [14:04] publicly* [14:05] Maybe that wasn't the name. My wife had a windows based phone some several years ago. [14:05] and on that note a bar tender once told me that the wireless crap is insanely expensive anyway [14:05] ScottK: yeah, they never took off [14:05] it wasn't mobile 6 though [14:05] some other weird name [14:06] hello world :D [14:06] why is Kubuntu shipped with Quassel and not Konversation? from What I've learned Quassel is not a KDE app [14:06] IIRC that thing was an actual port of msdos based windows (aka !nt) to arm or something like that [14:06] ovidiu-florin: You've learned incorrecty. [14:06] not the most enjoyable experience anyway, was more a platform where you can throw your custom UI on [14:06] I've just been told thin on #kde [14:06] ScottK: ^ [14:06] this* [14:06] What is the definition of a "KDE app"? [14:07] An app developend and maintained by KDE [14:07] ovidiu-florin: historical timing [14:07] Neither Konversation nor Quassel are released as part of KDE. [14:07] They both use KDE technology. [14:07] At the time we were trying to move ot a pure KDE4 desktop, there we no KDE4 version of Konversation. [14:08] aha... [14:09] We don't like to change default install without a very strong reason, so it's been since. [14:10] Konversation has support for the distro specific stuff we've done, so other than not being there by default, it's perfectly availalbe/usable for Kubuntu users. [14:14] ScottK: http://manifesto.kde.org/principles.html [14:14] quassel at the very least fails the access requirements [14:15] as it is not on git.kde.org [14:15] Yeah. [14:15] Konversation does:P [14:15] Unless they gave access to KDE sysadmin. [14:15] which they can't because it's github or something :P [14:16] Sure they can. [14:16] gitorious actually [14:16] ScottK: how so? [14:16] The same way they'd give anyone access to the repo, I'd imagine. [14:17] Actually, doesn't read access suffice for the requirements? [14:17] no [14:17] Hmmm. [14:17] * ScottK reads again. [14:17] "if such access cannot be granted, a regular backup of all the code and data used by the web services should be provided to the KDE sysadmins " [14:18] Seems like that's just a script away from "done". [14:18] yeah [14:18] has nothing to do with access [14:18] Right, but my point is it being on gitorious doesn't block it being a KDE project. [14:19] *every* kde contributor (i.e. kde-dev on identity.kde.org) must have write access, and *only* kde contributors must have write access [14:19] ScottK: nothing blocks anything from beina kde project [14:19] Hmmm. [14:19] have a script syncing kde-dev accounts from identity.kde to launchpad and drop the CLA even mir could be a kde project [14:20] Ah. Yeah, that's a bit trickier. [14:20] * smartboyhw yawns [14:20] not so much [14:20] So I guess it's fair to say that Quassel (when built with KDE support) is KDE software, but it's not a KDE project. [14:20] the tricky part (short of CLA) is the access model [14:21] e.g. in case of quassel implementing that model means locking out existing developers [14:21] smartboyhw: congrats btw [14:21] as not everyone who has access to quassel right now actually is a KDE contributor in the sense of belonging to the kde-dev group on identity.kde [14:21] shadeslayer, thx! XD [14:21] ScottK: not sure on the terminology [14:21] sorry couldn't make it to the meeting [14:21] * smartboyhw is watching the DMB meeting for boringness [14:22] shadeslayer, no worries:) [14:22] it's not a KDE project anyway ^^ [14:22] Right. [14:23] e.g. in the long run I don't know there will be a thing like KDE software other than software being produced by a KDE project [14:23] since kde framworks allows you to use pieces of the platform [14:23] however only using phonon or solid does certainly not make you KDE software [14:24] so even right now I'd say that anything that is not from a KDE project is not KDE software [14:24] aaaaaaaaaaaand it's sent [14:24] (i.e. KDE = community, so a KDE software is software created by said community and to qualify as such you need to be a KDE project) [14:24] Darkwing, /me is checking:P [14:25] Got it [14:25] Darkwing, does votes must be Kubuntu Devs? [14:25] Anyone who contributes... I'm not "officially" a kubuntu-dev. :D [14:26] OK Calligra 2.6.2 got in:P [14:26]