[01:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, looked at LXC again, and I'm still not quite sure what's wrong. What I do know is that 'running-in-container' which is based on /etc/init/container-detect.conf doesn't return the right value during kernel setup. 
[01:38] <yofel> that doesn't really make sense though because a few packages earlier it does the right thing during an apparmor restar
[01:38] <yofel> t
[01:46]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[02:07] <shadeslayer> nini yofel
[07:26] <soee> good morning
[08:13] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1131070] Wrong font for slovak numbers. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131070 (by Peter Adamka)
[08:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:01] <murthy> hello everyone
[09:10]  * smartboyhw says hi
[09:11] <murthy> smartboyhw: hi
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Hi murthy 
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Did Muon 1.9.95 got packaged?
[09:11] <murthy> smartboyhw: raring?
[09:11] <smartboyhw> murthy, yep
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Yes:)
[09:11] <murthy> smartboyhw: checking
[09:11] <smartboyhw> murthy, I checked 
[09:11] <smartboyhw> and yes
[09:12] <murthy> nice
[09:13] <smartboyhw> murthy, :)
[09:14] <murthy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1152255
[09:14] <smartboyhw> murthy, you want to do it?
[09:14] <murthy> smartboyhw: do we need to update the above bug report?
[09:14] <smartboyhw> murthy, well is it packaged already?
[09:15] <murthy> smartboyhw: it was in the queue when i last checked
[09:15] <yofel> last time I checked it was stuck in source NEW
[09:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[09:15] <murthy> :D
[09:15] <smartboyhw> murthy, "Fix Committed"
[09:15] <smartboyhw> I think....
[09:15] <murthy> ok i will update it
[09:16]  * Tm_T huggles and cuddles smartboyhw
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, :)
[09:17] <murthy> Tm_T: i am left out?
[09:17]  * smartboyhw hugs murthy 
[09:17] <murthy> murthy hugs smartboyhw back :)
[09:19] <murthy> yofel: I think the changelog wont contain the bug id , so do we have to update the bug report manually ?
[09:19] <yofel> yes
[09:19] <murthy> yofel: where can i find the commit id?
[09:20] <yofel> what commit id?
[09:21] <murthy> yofel: don't we have some kind of id generated after the package is build
[09:21] <yofel> not really
[09:22] <yofel> you do get a lp:ubuntu/qtweetlib branch after it is accepted, but you don't usually refer to that on the bug
[09:22] <yofel> what launchpad does itself usually is close the bug and copy/paste the changelog entry as a comment.
[09:22] <yofel> so you can do that if you want
[09:23] <murthy> yofel: yofel: ok. can you direct me to a webpage where i can find the list of packaging tags( example [needs-packaging]) 
[09:24] <yofel> most of the *official* bug tags are documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[09:24] <murthy> yofel: so we have unofficial tags?
[09:25] <yofel> yes, if you look at a bug, you'll see tags in dark- and light-blue, dark are official ones, light unofficial ones
[09:25] <yofel> the official ones get auto-completion when you edit the tags, that's pretty much all
[09:26] <murthy> ok
[10:25] <Riddell> "Timothy Pearson (kb9vqf) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-03-17" interesting, the Trinity guy is still wanting to be one of us
[10:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:42] <Riddell> good morning BluesKaj 
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hi Riddell 
[10:43]  * BluesKaj enjoys an early morning coffee ... may as well add to the insomnia :)
[10:46] <lordievader> Hey Riddell 
[10:50] <lordievader> Whoo the new ubiquity looks very nice :)
[10:50] <murthy> lordievader: ya looks awesome
[10:51] <murthy> is the new ubiquity present in the daily build
[10:51] <murthy> brb
[10:51] <xnox> i take it bug 1153035 is fixed then
[10:51] <xnox> and a few others should be duped on to it
[10:53] <lordievader> xnox: The choice to try Kubuntu is given, testing the live-env now.
[11:04] <murthy> ~time
[11:04] <kubotu> Asia - Kolkata - Mon Mar 11 16:34 IST
[11:05] <murthy> possible to set 12 hrs format?
[11:19] <lordievader> Kde-Daemon crashes when I get to the desktop with the latest daily of raring. I'm trying to report this bug however I get the error that he failed to communicate with kded. This is probably related to the afore mentioned bug. How do I proceed?
[11:22] <murthy> lordievader: manually report?
[11:23] <murthy> lordievader: do you have the complete backtrace ?
[11:23] <lordievader> murthy: I have a .kcrash file. Is that what you mean?
[11:24] <murthy> lordievader: did drkonq popup?
[11:24] <murthy> lordievader: i assume the necessary debug symbols already installed
[11:26] <yofel> lordievader: the kcrash is fine, but does it have the needed information?
[11:26] <lordievader> murthy: It's the live env, I just installed them I think. There was some error, I believe they are installed though.
[11:27] <lordievader> The crash reporting assistant rates it three stars (The generated crash information is useful)
[11:27] <yofel> should be fine then
[11:27] <murthy> lordievader: in that case you can report the bug manually attaching the kcrash file
[11:28] <lordievader> Ok will do.
[11:31] <lordievader> Kdeinit bugs should that go in kde or in kdelibs?
[11:33] <yofel> lordievader: can you pastebin the crash please?
[11:34] <murthy> lordievader:  kdelibs
[11:34] <lordievader> yofel: The kcrash file?
[11:34] <yofel> yes
[11:35] <lordievader> http://paste.kde.org/693314
[11:35] <murthy> lordievader: possible duplicate ? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75492
[11:36] <yofel> lordievader: bug in kscreen
[11:36] <yofel> #6  KScreen::Mode::size (this=0x0) at /build/buildd/libkscreen-0.0.71/src/mode.cpp:84
[11:36] <murthy> afiestas: ^
[11:37] <yofel> fun, while I'm talking about crashes here kmail crashes on me...
[11:37] <murthy> heh
[11:37] <murthy> i am using 4.10.1 and plasma is crashing sometimes
[11:38] <murthy> i have to take a look at the log
[11:38] <yofel> lordievader: please file it here: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=KScreen&format=guided
[11:40] <yofel> wow, kmail crashed in QString's destructor o.O http://paste.kde.org/693326
[11:41] <BluesKaj> kmail is a mess , unfixable on a lot of systems
[11:42] <murthy> yofel: what kubuntu version and qt version?
[11:42] <yofel> it ~works for me, as in: the performance finally reached tolerable dimnetions
[11:42] <yofel> murthy: that's raring
[11:44] <bkerensa> Riddell: You have the time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/plasmate/fix-for-1152730/+merge/152538
[11:45] <yofel> bkerensa: we usually avoid exactly this confusion by making a patch from upstream git and just adding that to the package
[11:45] <bkerensa> yofel: aye... the other day he had said just to MP it
[11:45] <bkerensa> =o
[11:46] <Riddell> bkerensa: it needs to be a patch yes, and there's some more uses of the incorrect version number in there
[11:46] <Riddell> bkerensa: do you know how to do that or would you like some help?
[11:47] <Tm_T> hi bkerensa
[11:47] <bkerensa> Riddell: Ahh I can just get a patch to you guys
[11:47] <Riddell> bkerensa: do a grep for 0.1alpha3 to find other uses
[11:47] <bkerensa> kk
[11:53] <lordievader> Bug reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316525
[11:54] <yofel> thanks!
[11:55] <lordievader> No problem :), part of the job of a Kubuntu Tester ain't it ;)
[11:56] <murthy> lordievader: are you part of the testing team?
[11:56] <lordievader> murthy: Yes, I am :D
[11:56] <murthy> lordievader: cool
[11:57] <lordievader> It's great I really like it!
[11:57] <yofel> hm, now the try/install selection screen on the image has a Quit button that shouldn't be there
[11:57] <murthy> ya
[11:58] <murthy> yofel: does the daily build have the new ubiquity ?
[11:58] <yofel> yes, the fixed one that is
[11:58] <xnox> yes.
[11:58] <xnox> yes.
[11:58] <xnox> yes.
[11:58] <yofel> ^^
[11:58] <murthy> nice
[11:59] <xnox> Also one can check the versions of the packages in tha manifest, which is right next to the image one downloads =)
[12:02] <murthy> xnox: was that a network issue?
[12:03]  * yofel filed bug 1153557
[12:03] <Riddell> yofel: just testing it now, apachelogger had a fix for that
[12:03]  * Riddell greps logs
[12:03] <yofel> good
[12:04] <xnox> murthy: no, just me being over annoyed at hitting "ubiquity" highlight way too many times on #k-d today =))))
[12:04] <Riddell> I also confirmed..
[12:04] <Riddell> install now button should turn back into next
[12:04] <Riddell> slideshow doesn't slide
[12:04] <murthy> xnox: oh sorry about that
[12:05] <murthy> me downloading the daily live , will be testing soon
[12:08] <Riddell> xnox, agateau: bug 1153035 crash seems to be fixed but the button still doesn't go from Install Now to Next 
[12:08] <afiestas> murthy: fixed
[12:08] <afiestas> you should ship snapshots as I said weeks ago
[12:08] <murthy> afiestas: cool
[12:08] <Riddell> afiestas: of what?
[12:08] <afiestas> Riddell: of kscreen and libkscreen
[12:08] <afiestas> will release a new version today, but still development go fast
[12:08] <afiestas> we can';t make a release everyday with every single bugfix
[12:09] <agateau> Riddell: looking at it
[12:09] <xnox> Riddell: yeah, "my fix" for pyflakes test, caused it to crash, with this fix up in place at least it doesn't crash and installation finishes.
[12:09] <xnox> agateau: yeah, please patch it up properly. And please run pyflakes before commiting code, otherwise we cannot make ubiquity release (it will FTBFS)
[12:18] <smartboyhw> What did I miss?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> ...
[12:19] <Riddell> we achieved world domination
[12:19] <Riddell> microsoft admitted defeat
[12:20] <murthy> ??
[12:20] <agateau> xnox: mmm, I don't like boolean args as positional arguments, they make calling code hard to read
[12:20] <lordievader> Not just world domination actually, the entire universe is ours!
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Riddell, found an alterbate universe
[12:20] <xnox> agateau: sure, but you cannot use "install" as that masks the import from the very top of the module.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> alternate that is 
[12:21] <xnox> agateau: in that case use a different name, or use ubiquity.foo.install instead of from ubiquity.foo import install.
[12:21] <agateau> xnox: will fix. strange that my vim pyflakes plugin did not detect that
[12:21] <xnox> or something =)
[12:22] <xnox> agateau: cjwatson was reporting some strange behaviour of the pyflakes vim plugin.
[12:22] <xnox> maybe there is a bug there
[12:22]  * xnox uses python
[12:22]  * xnox uses emacs, that is
[12:22] <soee> just upgraded 12.10 to 13.04 on 3 machine :) works fine and fast
[12:22] <xnox> and ./tests/run-pyflakes & ./tests/run-pep8
[12:22] <Riddell> soee: how did you upgrade?
[12:23] <soee> Riddell, do-release-upgrade -d
[12:23] <Riddell> soee: KDE frontend?
[12:24] <soee> well yes, but this machine lie 1.5 year ago was initially ubuntu with unity, than i installed on it KDE and removed most of unity and gnome stuff so i assume its KDE only now (maybe with some few packages left from gnome)
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what!?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> soee, kubuntu-desktop too ,I presume
[12:32] <soee> BluesKaj, true, http://wstaw.org/w/1Kpb/
[12:33] <BluesKaj> soee, right 
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Any apps to package?:P
[12:33]  * smartboyhw is waiting for Calligra 2.6.2 to be tagged anyway
[12:35] <yofel> the kde-workspace-randr stuff is still to be done if you're bored
[12:35] <yofel> that might be good to have before beta
[12:36] <soee> oh ~ 2 weeks till beta ?
[12:37] <yofel> ~1.5 rather
[12:37] <yofel> ah no
[12:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, 0.5 :P
[12:37] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:37] <yofel> ~0.5 till beta1, ~2.5 till beta
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[12:37]  * yofel had FinalBetaFreeze in the head
[12:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, do we have a bug for that?
[12:38] <yofel> not sure, it has a work item on trello
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Ah I am now Kubuntu member and I think I can be added to trello.
[12:39] <yofel> yeah, just give one of us admins the account id
[12:39] <smartboyhw> yofel, howanchan I think
[12:40] <yofel> done
[12:41] <smartboyhw> OK assigned...
[12:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, we mean to add it as a new source package right?
[12:42] <yofel> that's already there, just empty 
[12:42] <yofel> but yeah, that's the plan
[12:43] <yofel> smartboyhw: er wait, new binary package, not new source package
[12:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, what do you mean by it's already there?
[12:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah LOL
[12:43] <yofel> it's still part of kde-workspace
[12:43]  * smartboyhw got it then:P
[12:43] <yofel> !info kde-workspace-randr raring
[12:44] <yofel> hm
[12:44] <soee> aht is the current libreoffice version available for raring ? 4.0 beta2 ?
[12:44] <smartboyhw> soee, 4.0.1.2
[12:44] <smartboyhw> yofel, someone fixed it already?
[12:44] <soee> smartboyhw, do i need any extra repos to get this ?
[12:44] <smartboyhw> soee, no
[12:44] <smartboyhw> I think
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Just the normal Raring archive....
[12:45] <yofel> not really
[12:45] <yofel> Riddell: got any work for the randr stuff lying around? ^
[12:45] <soee> smartboyhw, ah yes it wasn't updated after sys upgrade
[12:45] <yofel> smartboyhw: lintian -> W: kde-workspace-randr: empty-binary-package
[12:46] <yofel> so *only* the package is there
[12:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK:)
[12:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, on the QtWebKit thing wasn't the latest release 2.6.0 ?
[12:48] <Riddell> yofel: umm, did I mess it up?
[12:48] <yofel> Riddell: kde-workspace-randr is empty
[12:48] <Riddell> guess I did
[12:48] <soee> hmm "Następujące pakiety zostały zatrzymane:
[12:48] <soee>   libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-help-pl"
[12:49] <soee> this packages were stopped
[12:49]  * smartboyhw is currently looking at where the randr files is located
[12:49] <yofel> Riddell: do you have the work done already? so smartboyhw doesn't do it again
[12:49] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/693410/
[12:49] <yofel> did you bzr add that? ^^
[12:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, he did:P
[12:49] <Riddell> jr@gallus:~/src/kde-workspace/kde-workspace/debian⚡bzr status
[12:49] <Riddell> unknown: debian/kde-workspace-randr.install
[12:49] <Riddell> that'll be my issue
[12:50] <yofel> heh
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will assign the card to you then
[12:50] <yofel> I think you didn't *remove* the files from the other packages though
[12:50] <yofel> as I still get the krandr popup when I connect a screen
[12:51] <Riddell> tsk, let me fix this
[12:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if you're looking for things to do afiestas asked for a snapshot of {lib,}kscreen
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK. But why snapshot?
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Don't we have an actual new release?
[12:52] <afiestas> smartboyhw: because it is a fairly new software and we can't make a release for each bugfix
[12:53] <smartboyhw> afiestas, well OK then.
[12:53] <afiestas> we keep getting bugs reproted using 13.04 that are fixed since ages
[12:53] <smartboyhw> What version name should I put to it?
[12:53] <afiestas> we'll make a new release today but maybe tomorrow we have 4 new fixes :/
[12:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: there's probably daily builds of it somewhere you can just take
[12:53] <smartboyhw> afiestas, uh
[12:54] <afiestas> Riddell: I was surprised because I remember talking about it and someone told me "ok we'll do it" 
[12:55] <afiestas> but it never happened
[12:55] <Riddell> afiestas: about what?
[12:55] <afiestas> about daily for kscreen/libkscreen
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm you're right, no daily builds in launchpad
[12:57] <murthy> good night
[12:57] <smartboyhw> afiestas, where is the code stored?
[12:57] <murthy> oops
[12:58] <murthy> nm
[12:58] <yofel> seems like shadeslayer got halfway. There's an import for kscreen, but not libkscreen and no recipes
[12:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: kde git
[12:58] <yofel> added import for libkscreen now
[12:58] <smartboyhw> got it
[13:00] <smartboyhw> afiestas, I will just call it 0.0.72-alpha
[13:01] <smartboyhw> or whatsoever
[13:01] <smartboyhw> I think we need FFe though
[13:01] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Why not 0.0.42-alpha ;)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I don't know the package version. Let me check again
[13:02] <lordievader> smartboyhw: It's a joke... 42 -> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
[13:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not if there's no new features
[13:02] <smartboyhw> lordievader, LOL
[13:02] <smartboyhw> afiestas, any?
[13:02]  * smartboyhw is checking the git code
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Hmm wait since we used a->b for 4.10.1 releases, I should use 0.0.71a....
[13:03]  * smartboyhw is really not sure on how to use version numbers for dailies
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[13:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: 0.0.71+git20130311 is one way
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah good I will use that one then:)
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got libkscreen in the kubuntu-packaging branch now, ready to upload
[13:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: got a .dsc for me to dget?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh yeah. Let me upload first
[13:17] <ScottK> afiestas: Does solid in 4.10 work with logind from systemd?
[13:18] <yofel> are we getting logind in 13.04?
[13:18] <ScottK> There's an FFe asking for it.
[13:19] <yofel> great.....
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/libkscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Now the main kscreen
[13:23] <afiestas> ScottK: nope, need patches that are in master
[13:23] <ScottK> How mature are they?
[13:23] <ScottK> Could you help us out with this if Ubuntu desktop switches?
[13:23] <afiestas> sure
[13:24] <afiestas> lightdm needs some work, the rest works fine
[13:24] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll let you know if they decide to do it.
[13:24] <afiestas> they should
[13:24] <ScottK> lightdm the greeter or the core application?
[13:24] <afiestas> both
[13:24] <ScottK> OK.
[13:26] <smartboyhw> afiestas, hell I can't build kscreen
[13:27] <smartboyhw> afiestas, http://paste.kde.org/693428/
[13:28] <yofel> libkscreen too old maybe?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, dunno
[13:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, waiting for the upload to finish building
[13:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, that's the 0.0.71 release I'm using
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Not the git snapshot
[13:29] <yofel> yeah, getting the same here
[13:29]  * yofel needs to add kscreen to neon
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just wondering: The present KC members discussed yesterday about the Mumble meeting, so aren't we supposed to select a date?
[13:35]  * smartboyhw has realized that he can now vote on the Council's vacancies
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Who's running? I forgotten
[13:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes, Darkwing said he'd look into finding a date
[13:36] <Riddell> but I've not heard anything
[13:36] <ScottK> smartboyhw: Nominations are still open.
[13:36] <ScottK> So we don't know yet.
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Darkwing himself is one
[13:42] <Riddell> how's this? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/11/i-agree-canonical
[13:43] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: congrats and welcome
[13:43]  * apachelogger had nice internet failz yesterday -.-
[13:43] <apachelogger> sorry for not being at the meeting
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: found the ubiquity fix?
[13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah it's committed thanks
[13:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:45] <lordievader> Riddell: Nice post ;)
[13:53] <Darkwing> Riddell, smartboyhw I'm tossing that email today about mumble meeting
[13:57] <ScottK> Riddell: If you consider smart phones to be part of the market, Bug 1 is fixed.
[13:57] <ScottK> FWIW.
[13:58] <Riddell> exactly, but not by nice fluffy community made software
[14:00] <ScottK> True, but that's not what bug 1 says.
[14:00] <mikhas> Riddell, did you see https://plus.google.com/116812394236590806058/posts/SwC1CheXX65 ?
[14:00] <mikhas> I felt insulted by the "less open than you think".
[14:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you consider anything but desktop&laptop-like machines bug no 1 never existed I suppose
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, yeah
[14:03] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, thx
[14:03] <apachelogger> "Contrary to competitor FUD, from people who are not working as openly as they would have you believe"
[14:03] <ScottK> Well, they did have a decent run at mobile with I think windows mobile 6 or some thing.
[14:04] <apachelogger> some days I feel like using strong language publically really
[14:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: with limited scope
[14:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: their weird mobile OS was almost exclusively used in mobile automation envrionments
[14:04] <apachelogger> in bars for example
[14:04] <mikhas> publicly*
[14:05] <ScottK> Maybe that wasn't the name.  My wife had a windows based phone some several years ago.
[14:05] <apachelogger> and on that note a bar tender once told me that the wireless crap is insanely expensive anyway
[14:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, they never took off
[14:05] <apachelogger> it wasn't mobile 6 though
[14:05] <apachelogger> some other weird name
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> why is Kubuntu shipped with Quassel and not Konversation? from What I've learned Quassel is not a KDE app
[14:06] <apachelogger> IIRC that thing was an actual port of msdos based windows (aka !nt) to arm or something like that
[14:06] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin: You've learned incorrecty.
[14:06] <apachelogger> not the most enjoyable experience anyway, was more a platform where you can throw your custom UI on
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> I've just been told thin on #kde
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: ^
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> this*
[14:06] <ScottK> What is the definition of a "KDE app"?
[14:07] <ovidiu-florin> An app developend and maintained by KDE
[14:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: historical timing
[14:07] <ScottK> Neither Konversation nor Quassel are released as part of KDE.
[14:07] <ScottK> They both use KDE technology.
[14:07] <ScottK> At the time we were trying to move ot a pure KDE4 desktop, there we no KDE4 version of Konversation.
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> aha...
[14:09] <ScottK> We don't like to change default install without a very strong reason, so it's been since.
[14:10] <ScottK> Konversation has support for the distro specific stuff we've done, so other than not being there by default, it's perfectly availalbe/usable for Kubuntu users.
[14:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://manifesto.kde.org/principles.html
[14:14] <apachelogger> quassel at the very least fails the access requirements
[14:15] <apachelogger> as it is not on git.kde.org
[14:15] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Konversation does:P
[14:15] <ScottK> Unless they gave access to KDE sysadmin.
[14:15] <apachelogger> which they can't because it's github or something :P
[14:16] <ScottK> Sure they can.
[14:16] <apachelogger> gitorious actually
[14:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so?
[14:16] <ScottK> The same way they'd give anyone access to the repo, I'd imagine.
[14:17] <ScottK> Actually, doesn't read access suffice for the requirements?
[14:17] <apachelogger> no
[14:17] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[14:17]  * ScottK reads again.
[14:17] <ScottK> "if such access cannot be granted, a regular backup of all the code and data used by the web services should be provided to the KDE sysadmins "
[14:18] <ScottK> Seems like that's just a script away from "done".
[14:18] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:18] <apachelogger> has nothing to do with access
[14:18] <ScottK> Right, but my point is it being on gitorious doesn't block it being a KDE project.
[14:19] <apachelogger> *every* kde contributor (i.e. kde-dev on identity.kde.org) must have write access, and *only* kde contributors must have write access
[14:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: nothing blocks anything from beina  kde project
[14:19] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[14:19] <apachelogger> have a script syncing kde-dev accounts from identity.kde to launchpad and drop the CLA even mir could be a kde project
[14:20] <ScottK> Ah.  Yeah, that's a bit trickier.
[14:20]  * smartboyhw yawns
[14:20] <apachelogger> not so much
[14:20] <ScottK> So I guess it's fair to say that Quassel (when built with KDE support) is KDE software, but it's not a KDE project.
[14:20] <apachelogger> the tricky part (short of CLA) is the access model
[14:21] <apachelogger> e.g. in case of quassel implementing that model means locking out existing developers
[14:21] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: congrats btw
[14:21] <apachelogger> as not everyone who has access to quassel right now actually is a KDE contributor in the sense of belonging to the kde-dev group on identity.kde
[14:21] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thx! XD
[14:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: not sure on the terminology
[14:21] <shadeslayer> sorry couldn't make it to the meeting
[14:21]  * smartboyhw is watching the DMB meeting for boringness
[14:22] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no worries:)
[14:22] <apachelogger> it's not a KDE project anyway ^^
[14:22] <ScottK> Right.
[14:23] <apachelogger> e.g. in the long run I don't know there will be a thing like KDE software other than software being produced by a KDE project
[14:23] <apachelogger> since kde framworks allows you to use pieces of the platform
[14:23] <apachelogger> however only using phonon or solid does certainly not make you KDE software
[14:24] <apachelogger> so even right now I'd say that anything that is not from a KDE project is not KDE software
[14:24] <Darkwing> aaaaaaaaaaaand it's sent
[14:24] <apachelogger> (i.e. KDE = community, so a KDE software is software created by said community and to qualify as such you need to be a KDE project)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, /me is checking:P
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Got it
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, does votes must be Kubuntu Devs?
[14:25] <Darkwing> Anyone who contributes... I'm not "officially" a kubuntu-dev. :D
[14:26] <smartboyhw> OK Calligra 2.6.2 got in:P
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, LOL
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, voted
[14:26] <ScottK> Voted on what?
[14:27] <Darkwing> doodle poll for a mumble meeting
[14:27] <Darkwing> There has been rumblings of a mumble meeting with devs so, I set that up.
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ScottK, the doodle vote
[14:27] <Darkwing> or, at least the poll.
[14:27] <ScottK> For what?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> ScottK, mumble meeting to discuss things
[14:28] <apachelogger> yeah, an agenda would be .... useful :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> "discuss things"
[14:28] <apachelogger> like what I had for lunch that day?
[14:28] <ScottK> Link for the poll?
[14:28]  * Darkwing points to the email with the wiki page attached to fill one out
[14:29] <apachelogger> (note: I do mostly not have lunch so we'd have nothing to talk about)
[14:29] <apachelogger> Darkwing: Changes to Kubuntu due to Ubuntu Changes
[14:29] <apachelogger> that's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO vague :P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[14:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: you'll never get on Planet Gnome if you can't talk about what you had for lunch
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Just add UDS + rolling releases
[14:29] <Darkwing> Poll: http://doodle.com/5q8pnfkgqnb6vuy3 Agenda Wiki: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting
[14:29]  * smartboyhw wonders why apachelogger wants to get on Planet Gnome
[14:29] <Darkwing> ScottK: ^^
[14:29] <ScottK> Please let's not use the term "rolling releases".  They aren't releases.
[14:29] <Darkwing> apachelogger: Nerrow it down :P
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ScottK, anyway release changes:P
[14:30] <ScottK> Don't buy into someone elses marketing speak.
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you on calligra (after kscreen)?
[14:30] <Darkwing> ScottK: How about "Long Term Alphas"?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can't even build kscreen now
[14:30] <smartboyhw> So simply working on Calligra
[14:30] <Riddell> let's not use the term "interim releases" they're not interim
[14:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: mm what's wrong with it?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, build error
[14:30] <smartboyhw> .....
[14:30] <Riddell> hum
[14:30] <yofel> just call them STR for short term release
[14:31] <smartboyhw> ..........
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Our bot left!
[14:31]  * smartboyhw sobs
[14:31] <yofel> oh fun, kubotu died indeed
[14:31] <Mamarok> that's just a netsplit
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I know. It's sad though:P
[14:32] <yofel> ah, $me being blind today
[14:32] <smartboyhw> yofel, !?
[14:32] <Mamarok> she will be back automagically, don't worry
[14:32] <smartboyhw> My internet is very slow today hmm.. .
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Take so long to download calligra 2.6.2...
[14:32]  * yofel can't really say when he'll have time over the weekend :/
[14:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ec2s available if you need them
[14:32] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: because planet gnome is where the innovation happens
[14:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, OK
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no thanks:)
[14:33] <smartboyhw> No need today Ithink
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: you got Mumble to work on the BuyVM VPS? :D
[14:34] <yofel> don't ask
[14:35] <markey> anyone feel like backporting Phonon-VLC? :)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> heh, what happened?
[14:35] <markey> 0.6.0 is buggy
[14:35] <smartboyhw> not me
[14:35] <smartboyhw> LOl
[14:35]  * shadeslayer will force markey to use phonon-gstreamer
[14:35] <shadeslayer> use eet 
[14:36] <markey> yeah I do actually use it sometimes
[14:36] <markey> works fine
[14:36] <shadeslayer> then what's the problem now?
[14:36] <markey> not everyone uses it, obviously :)
[14:37] <markey> Phonon-VLC 0.6.2 has some fixes
[14:37] <shadeslayer> then they should :P
[14:37] <ScottK> apachelogger should do an SRU.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:37] <shadeslayer> maybe even SRU pgst while he's at it
[14:37]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:40] <shadeslayer> "ALL Time slots are in UTC."
[14:40] <shadeslayer> and I can't see an option to change the timezone
[14:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, isn't it?
[14:40]  * smartboyhw is surprised
[14:40] <shadeslayer> doodle sucks
[14:40]  * smartboyhw checks
[14:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, +1
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Weekdays 14:00 UTC sounds great don't they?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:41] <shadeslayer> who needs lunch anyway
[14:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, throw me some biscuits please
[14:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:42] <shadeslayer> I have no biscuits :(
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, cry
[14:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: I won't do an SRU
[14:45] <apachelogger> the release has not received upstream QA
[14:45] <ScottK> Then why was it released?
[14:45] <ScottK> Seems a bit odd.
[14:46] <apachelogger> because it had important fixes
[14:46] <apachelogger> i.e. it was QA'd by the maintainer
[14:46] <apachelogger> upstream QA procedure requires at least 2 people to QA
[14:47]  * smartboyhw sleeps while waiting to get calligra down to local computer
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Strange kubotu still hasn't waken back up
[15:00] <smartboyhw> REALLY STRANGE
[15:00] <shadeslayer> bah
[15:00] <smartboyhw> The Trello servers are getting some TLC.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> We'll be back as soon as possible! 
[15:00] <smartboyhw> .....................
[15:00] <shadeslayer> I can't upload ktp-call-ui
[15:00] <apachelogger> why did you break it?
[15:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: want to upload that ^ 
[15:01] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: no idea
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I even added it to the supported seed
[15:01] <shadeslayer> The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.
[15:01] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, um net split (if you are talking about kubotu) and as for ktp-call-ui: Dunno
[15:01] <Mamarok> apachelogger: can you invite kubotu back in, plz
[15:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you ask cj to refresh teh packageset?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> you have to *ask* for that?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> .....
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I thought it was automagical
[15:01] <yofel> that's not automatic
[15:01] <Mamarok> it should, but apparently that didn't work
[15:02] <shadeslayer> k asking
[15:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I am not an admin here
[15:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You should become a MOTU.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> ScottK, +1
[15:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, need to apply
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Hmm clearly tmr 14 UTC and Friday 14 UTC is (currently) the best time.......
[15:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, +1
[15:03] <shadeslayer> anyway
[15:03] <shadeslayer> someone needs to upload ktp-call-ui from here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-call-ui_0.5.80-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:04] <shadeslayer> or not, cj is running the refresh right now
[15:04] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[15:09] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: I think you broke it
[15:09] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, why?
[15:09]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand
[15:09] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, blame the Freenode servers
[15:09] <apachelogger> doesn't answer pings
[15:10] <apachelogger> seems to me newpackage never finished
[15:10] <apachelogger> huh
[15:10] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, and may I ask WHY AM I THE ONE TO BLAME ?
[15:10] <apachelogger> you higlighted me the most
[15:10] <apachelogger> who called newpackage last?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I don't think I used newpackage....
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Phew calligra downloaded
[15:11] <yofel> apachelogger: wasn't that you for librocket?
[15:11] <ScottK> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2007-11-18/
[15:12] <apachelogger> yofel: I dunno
[15:12] <apachelogger> that woul dhowever mean that the bot did not do *anything* since then
[15:13] <yofel> it worked ~4h ago
[15:13] <apachelogger> well
[15:14] <apachelogger> something caused a lockup
[15:14] <apachelogger> and the last output I see is from newpackage/newversion/buildstatus
[15:18] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:18] <apachelogger> apparently it looped on reconnect
[15:18] <apachelogger> I wonder why
[15:18] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:18] <apachelogger> ->dinner
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Yeah it's back
[15:20]  * smartboyhw reminds himself that next time don't use newversion or newpackage or whatsoever...
[15:20] <smartboyhw> VERY DANGEROUS
[15:21] <shadeslayer> eh
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Christian Mangold is neversfelde right?
[15:22]  * smartboyhw doesn't want to get killed by apachelogger 
[15:22] <shadeslayer> yep yep yep
[15:22] <shadeslayer> “telepathy-logger-qt” 0.5.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1 source package in Ubuntu
[15:22] <shadeslayer> :/
[15:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, .............
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ah well, no biggie
[15:23] <shadeslayer> mistakes happen
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-desktop-applets_0.5.80-0ubuntu1%2Bppa1.dsc
[15:24] <shadeslayer> it's a new package
[15:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If I upload it, I can't New it.
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell can New it then?
[15:25]  * smartboyhw is going to upload calligra TMR
[15:25] <shadeslayer> if it's in the supported seed, can I upload it?
[15:25] <smartboyhw> NEED TO SLEEP
[15:25] <shadeslayer> and will it be accepted into New?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> or is that only core devs
[15:27] <ScottK> MOTU can upload new packages.
[15:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:27] <ScottK> Not sure what your question was?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> can I upload a new source if the binaries it produces are covered in the supported seed
[15:30] <yofel> I don't think so, the packageset only applies to existing sources
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, as it turns out kscreen really needs newest ver. of libkscreen to build:P
[15:34]  * smartboyhw is waiting for the .dsc to appear in PPA
[15:35] <vHanda> shadeslayer: ping?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> pong
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/kscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc and please upload
[15:36] <smartboyhw> I updated the bzr branch already (kubuntu-packaging)
[15:36] <vHanda> shadeslayer: say a package is getting re-installed / upgraded, will the file modification date be updated for the files which haven't changed?
[15:36] <vHanda> or is it simply removed and then installed?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> see dpkg's man page?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/dpkg.1.html
[15:38] <shadeslayer> under ACTIONS
[15:39] <shadeslayer> from what I understood, it removes the old package, unpacks the new one
[15:39] <shadeslayer> so the modification dates will change
[15:39] <vHanda> cool
[15:39] <vHanda> thanks
[15:44] <apachelogger> huh, now I am in a hacking mood
[15:44] <apachelogger> meh
[15:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus jreen
[15:46] <kubotu> jreen:
[15:46] <apachelogger> hm
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> I'm implementing a heap for a custom bytecode VM for school :D
[15:46] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: jreen and libqtweetlib still in new?
[15:46]  * JontheEchidna hacks
[15:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: awwwwww
[15:46] <apachelogger> so fun
[15:46] <ScottK> Dunno.  
[15:46] <ScottK> Cleaning up shadeslayer's cr@p now.
[15:47] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> the binary format uses 32-bit words for everything, even embedded strings. (1 word per character) xD
[15:47] <apachelogger> pfff
[15:47] <shadeslayer> what crap?
[15:47] <apachelogger> thx shadeslayer for hogging ScottK
[15:47] <ScottK> incomplete copyright file and package depends so far.
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> it does make things simpler to implement though, which is probably why it was done that way
[15:47] <shadeslayer> copyright was done by murthy and I thought it was fine
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what's missing there?
[15:48] <murthy> shadeslayer: which package?
[15:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu-devs do not think stuff is fine, they make sure it is :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> oh boy
[15:48]  * apachelogger should do l10n
[15:48] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:48] <shadeslayer> let me rephrase that
[15:48]  * apachelogger sighs
[15:49] <shadeslayer> I didn't notice anything missing
[15:49] <murthy> ScottK: what package?
[15:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon gets upstream l10n, right?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: very yes
[15:49] <ScottK> ktp-desktop-applets.
[15:49] <apachelogger> cool
[15:49]  * ScottK is fixing.
[15:49] <murthy> checking
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what's missing from depends?
[15:49] <ScottK> gettext
[15:49]  * apachelogger looks at seed
[15:50] <ScottK> Also a lot of the required versions were wrong.
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> My Earl Grey is cold, didn't drink it fast enough :(
[15:50] <shadeslayer> bleh
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> ~order earl grey
[15:50]  * kubotu slides earl grey down the bar to JontheEchidna
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> ~order tea
[15:51]  * kubotu gives JontheEchidna a nice hot cup of tea.
[15:51] <apachelogger> you dunno how to be capn
[15:51] <apachelogger> :P
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> I do not v.v
[15:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot
[15:51]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger.
[15:51] <apachelogger> engage!
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> :D
[15:52] <murthy> make that two
[15:52] <apachelogger> oh la la
[15:52] <apachelogger> afiestas: kscreen has no l10n :(
[15:53] <shadeslayer> it's so awesome people don't have to read anything
[15:53] <apachelogger> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:53] <shadeslayer> it just works
[15:53] <apachelogger> akonadi-facebook has no l10n
[15:53] <apachelogger> someone's trying to troll me
[15:53] <apachelogger> ah yes
[15:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[15:54] <murthy> ScottK: that was my first copyright file, so there could be mistakes, can you paste the updated one so that i could verify ?
[15:55] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/view/head:/desktop#L255
[15:55] <apachelogger> I do like how stuff is commented out
[15:55] <apachelogger> and no one knows why
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not trolling you!
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: go fix l10n then :(
[15:55] <shadeslayer> GPU lockup \o/
[15:55] <apachelogger> we need to enable stripping/lunchpad l10n for kdi, kfi, knh and kws
[15:56] <apachelogger> ^ I am not even sure what those acronyms mean
[15:56] <apachelogger> supposedly they all start with kubuntu-
[15:56] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go get proper hardware? :P
[15:56] <afiestas> apachelogger: fix it
[15:56] <shadeslayer> there's no such thing as proper hardware in the linux world
[15:56] <afiestas> or report a bug
[15:56] <ScottK> murthy: http://paste.debian.net/240998/ - it wasn't bad, just a bit incomplete.
[15:57] <ScottK> Running grep -ir copyright * over the source helps a lot.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> sounds like some ppl are suffering from longwinter trauma
[15:57] <apachelogger> afiestas: use releaseme?
[15:57] <afiestas> apachelogger: dunno how to use that thing yet
[15:57] <afiestas> maybe once you finish it .p
[15:57] <afiestas> the tarball has no i10n because we had none back then
[15:57] <apachelogger> yeah, right :P
[15:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can't upload it yet.  Can't test build.
[15:58] <apachelogger> afiestas: you should mail kde-i18n-doc and ask for translations nicely
[15:59] <apachelogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316548
[16:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: does libkscreen have i18n()?
[16:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: it should
[16:01] <apachelogger> meh
[16:17] <murthy> ScottK: are you part of debian devs?
[16:33] <Riddell> how's this? proofreaders needed http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/interview
[16:35] <mikhas> "stanadard" in first paragraph … did you try a spellchecker?
[16:35] <mikhas> and its vs it's
[16:36] <mikhas> "wouldn't be Kubuntu is we all jumped" s/is/if
[16:36] <shadeslayer> proposa
[16:36] <shadeslayer> should probably be proposal :)
[16:37] <mikhas> maintinance→maintenance
[16:38] <mikhas> for Launchpad and Baazar, you could mention that this affects bzr-git too (there is a bug for merge tags which effectively prevents you from using too-modern git with bzr)
[16:38] <mikhas> → bzr is less and less able to clone work from git repos
[16:38] <shadeslayer> I would recommend rephrasing the second part of "> Q. Since Linux Mint/Netrunner and Kubuntu are funded by the same > organization is there is collaborations between these theams?"
[16:40] <mikhas> Riddell, perhaps would drop the Kubuntu community spin: "Anyone who likes to be part of Ubuntu where the community has more say is very welcome at Kubuntu or any other sub-project which is community led."
[16:41] <mikhas> "Everyone who likes to be part of Ubuntu can pick any of the flavours of community-led upstream projects."
[16:41] <mikhas> sub-projects sounds like sub-projects of Kubuntu, which limits the choice somewhat ;-)
[16:43] <ScottK> murthy: Yes.
[16:44] <murthy> ScottK: nice
[16:44] <vibhav> I should learn C++
[16:44] <mikhas> everyone should
[16:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:44] <vibhav> Most of KDE is C++ 
[16:44] <mikhas> you'll never stop learning it
[16:44] <shadeslayer> vibhav: welcome to the bright side
[16:45] <mikhas> JS you can learn in 2 days and then the joy of learning fades, but C++ just keeps giving.
[16:45] <vibhav> shadeslayer: i always intend to contribute to every project I can 
[16:45] <shadeslayer> vibhav: careful with that, I'm doing that right now and I think I've taken on too many projects and contribute too little to all of them
[16:45] <vibhav> Yeah
[16:45] <apachelogger> hm
[16:46] <apachelogger> afiestas: libkscreen has no i18n btw
[16:46] <shadeslayer> alright, everything uploaded
[16:46] <apachelogger> me@novalis:~/src/releaseme/libkscreen-0.1$ grep -r i18n . |wc
[16:46] <apachelogger>       0       0       0
[16:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: er, I'm probably wrong, but why would a library have i18n
[16:46] <afiestas> apachelogger: it has no strings afaik
[16:47] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:47]  * apachelogger fiddles the releaseme config
[16:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kdelibs has...............
[16:47] <murthy> Riddell: i read the interview
[16:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kdelibs is probably the exception rather than the norm
[16:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: as to the why ... so you don't have to reinvent the string all the time
[16:48] <apachelogger> actually i18n'd libs is the norm
[16:48] <shadeslayer> but, like I said, I am probably wrong
[16:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:48] <apachelogger> there is very few libraries that will survive without any strings
[16:48] <apachelogger> it really depends on the type of library though
[16:49] <vibhav> shadeslayer: the problem is, mist of my code relies on glib (i med for the data structures and logging ) and libnotify which are GNOME only, AFAIK 
[16:49] <apachelogger> e.g. there is convenience libs that bundle functionality and stuff and there is platform libs
[16:49] <apachelogger> latter most of the time will not have i18n
[16:49] <vibhav> Most*
[16:49] <apachelogger> e.g. libphonon & libsolid
[16:49] <apachelogger> libkdeui OTOH is a convenience lib and as such has a chunk of i18n
[16:49] <shadeslayer> vibhav: port it to Qt/C++?
[16:52] <vibhav> shadeslayer: I need my library to work with all DEs 
[16:52] <vibhav> Probably KDE/QT defines environment variables which I could use 
[16:53] <shadeslayer> mmm
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I believe Qt works really well with all DE's
[16:54] <vibhav> And then my code is all C (though that shouldn't be hard) 
[16:54] <apachelogger> Qt is a platform independent toolkit
[16:54] <vibhav> apachelogger: ah ok 
[16:56] <apachelogger> !find LLIntAssembly.h
[16:57] <Darkwing> If one or more of the devs want to use the agenda wiki and get it a bit nerrowed down that would be awesome. :D
[17:01] <Riddell> Darkwing: I think the main item should be a Kubuntu response to release discussion
[17:01] <Riddell> which of the various proposed models do we prefer
[17:01] <shadeslayer> maybe we should have a discussion on what we want to discuss
[17:02] <Darkwing> Riddell: So, my agenda item is closer than I thought
[17:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: changing to what? (RE 16:38 < shadeslayer> I would recommend rephrasing the second part of "> Q. Since Linux Mint/Netrunner and Kubuntu )
[17:04] <shadeslayer> the bit about copyright stuff
[17:04] <apachelogger> afiestas: made you releaseme shit
[17:04] <shadeslayer> was the news about the copyright stuff released somewhere?
[17:04] <apachelogger> afiestas: I suggest you mail kde-i18n-doc and spin a new tar in like 7 days or so
[17:05] <apachelogger> some of the main languages don't even have a translation
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, but it's also not secret
[17:05] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kscreen-l10n-0.1.html
[17:07]  * apachelogger thinks shadeslayer is secret
[17:07] <apachelogger> what are you talking about though?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> I'm the biggest sekrit
[17:08] <apachelogger> oh, gotta run
[17:08] <apachelogger> bbiab
[17:56] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/693602/
[17:56] <apachelogger> wtf
[17:58] <shadeslayer> agateau: did you see my email regarding the homerun ftbfs?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: perl \o/
[17:59] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:59]  * apachelogger REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO FIX L10N
[17:59] <apachelogger> yo lordievader
[18:00] <apachelogger> and who removed createdesktopcontext from pkg-kde-tools?
[18:00] <apachelogger> was it me?
[18:00] <apachelogger> god I hope it wasn't me
[18:00] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, how are you?
[18:08] <apachelogger> lordievader: freaking out over broken localization pretty much :P
[18:08] <apachelogger> and now i lost dpm
[18:09] <lordievader> I'm afraid I cannot help you with that, good luck though.
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you think of an ubuntu c code project?
[18:09]  * apachelogger wonders if they simply use inttool
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> ehhh
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> maybe upstart?
[18:14] <apachelogger> that aint needing no l10n
[18:14] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:14] <apachelogger> I guess it's best to patch generation back in
[18:16] <Quintasan> \o
[18:18] <apachelogger> wget -O kubuntu/preparetips https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/raw/kdeui/preparetips?rev=KDE%2F$(KDEBRANCH)
[18:18] <apachelogger> oh boy
[18:18] <apachelogger> ..............
[18:18] <apachelogger> ............................................
[18:18]  * apachelogger drops dea
[18:18] <apachelogger> d
[18:25]  * mikhas revives apachelogger: "trying to take the easy way out?"
[18:28]  * Quintasan highfives mikhas
[18:28] <Quintasan> gj!
[18:29]  * ScottK steps over apachelogger's corpse and reaches for the booze.
[18:29] <Quintasan> UOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
[18:29]  * Quintasan snatches some from ScottK
[18:29] <ScottK> You are too slow.
[18:30] <mikhas> pour me a drink please
[18:30] <mikhas> on the rocks
[18:30] <Quintasan> kubotu: order drinks for ScottK and mikhas and Quintasan
[18:30]  * kubotu slides drinks down the bar to ScottK and mikhas and Quintasan
[18:30] <mikhas> nifty
[18:31]  * shadeslayer sneaks away with the real alcohol leaving everyone with Appy Fizz
[18:32] <shadeslayer> incase you don't know what Appy Fizz is : http://image3.mouthshut.com/images/ImagesR/2013/2/Appy-Fizz-925062285-7366123-1.jpg
[18:32] <shadeslayer> looks like scotch ( atleast to me ) and tastes like Irn Bru but with a apple-y taste
[18:34] <ScottK> Since Riddell is a pacifist ...
[18:34]  * ScottK gives shadeslayer a slap and reminds him it's Whisky.
[18:34] <zombielogger> DEV MEETING
[18:34] <Quintasan> >scotch
[18:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer is doin' it wrong
[18:34] <maco> At least when made inside Scotland. When made elsewhere, it's blasphemy, commonly misspelled w-h-i-s-k-e-y
[18:35] <zombielogger> for kubuntuware we need to do l10n extraction (i.e. i18n() and crap + desktop file)
[18:35] <Quintasan> what dev meeting?
[18:35] <zombielogger> since that stuff is all above kdelibs builddepwise we could create a pkg-kubuntu-l10n package that depends kdesdk for ~50% of the scripts we need to build crap
[18:35] <ScottK> maco: Right, but if it isn't made in Scotland, he was also wrong, but in a different way.
[18:35] <Quintasan> aren't we scheduling one on mumble?
[18:35] <shadeslayer> daw
[18:36] <zombielogger> the other half needs to *STILL BE SYCNED* from shitty kde svn
[18:36] <zombielogger> manually
[18:36] <maco> ScottK: just finishing up the recitation he gave when he caught you saying the s-word
[18:36] <zombielogger> whenver someone feels like it
[18:36] <zombielogger> SO
[18:36] <ScottK> maco: OK.
[18:36] <zombielogger> is it worth it, or should we continue to use pkg-kde-tools
[18:37] <zombielogger> and on a related matter ... how about making kubuntu-l10n a debhelper sequence so you can do dh --with kubuntu-l10n --with kde to build kubuntuware
[18:37] <ScottK> zombielogger: Seems like more work to split it. 
[18:37] <ScottK> Why not just leave it in pkg-kde-tools?
[18:37] <zombielogger> wget -O kubuntu/preparetips https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/raw/kdeui/preparetips?rev=KDE%2F$(KDEBRANCH)
[18:38] <zombielogger> that is how someone decide we should sync from git projects
[18:39] <Riddell> nn
[18:43] <zombielogger> undocumented stray $(MAKE) -f debian/rules clean
[18:43] <zombielogger> I think pkg-kde-tools has just been made to troll me 
[18:44] <ScottK> Fortunately for us, zombies are pretty unstoppable.
[18:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Let's leave ktp-common-internals in binary New until after the Beta.
[18:50] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes, looking at it tomorrow
[18:50] <soee> uhm nepomuk freezes my screen
[18:51] <vHanda> really? Are you sure it's cause of Nepomuk?
[18:51] <Quintasan> How do you know it is Nepomuk?
[18:51] <vHanda> or is this just one of those "lets blame it on Nepomuk"
[18:52] <soee> because i opend its configuration window and it was minimized on panel, when i clicked on it whoel desktop freez for ~ 45 seconds
[18:52] <soee> it was first shot that it is nepomuk
[18:52] <soee> :)
[18:52] <Quintasan> that also can be some magic in systemsettings
[18:52] <soee> i had to switch windows (alt tab) to get to nepomuk window and close it
[18:53] <vHanda> nepomukcontroller or the nepomuk system settings?
[18:53] <soee> also i disabled indexing just before it happend
[18:53] <soee> vHanda, then one in systray
[18:54] <soee> also i mentioned this some time ago, after each boot my hdd was warking, harking for ~ 5 minutes :) afternepomuk indexing was disabled it stopped 
[19:07] <palasso> I have reported a feature request (before 30+ days) on Muon 2.0 that might be useful to be available in time when 2.0 (and Kubuntu 13.04) is released. Unfortunately it hasn't been triaged yet. The bug is reported on bugs.kde.org but I'm writing this here since I'm mainly concerned for the feature to be in time for 13.04 and I'd like to somehow raise awareness. Should I do something about it? What would be the best thing to do in s
[19:07] <palasso> uch circumstances? Is there some online guide I should check? I thought of pinging the dev on IRC but this might not be appropriate.
[19:08] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^
[19:08] <palasso> yeap
[19:08] <palasso> ;)
[19:08] <Quintasan> Patches are probably welcome
[19:09] <Quintasan> As far I am concered only JT and someone else is working on Muon
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> palasso: ah, the marking files one?
[19:11] <palasso> Perhaps I'll wait if JontheEchidna appears. Anyway the exact feature request is this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314549
[19:11] <palasso> JontheEchidna, yeah!
[19:11] <palasso> idk that you read it
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> I had, but didn't do anything with the report. (Sorry)
[19:12] <palasso> that's ok
[19:12] <palasso> If you want me for anything like testing plz tell me, or for explaining sth in the request
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> palasso: technically Muon's been in a feature freeze for 2.0 for a while now, but I think I can consider synaptic generating markings files that are non-interoperable with Muon a bug
[19:13] <zombielogger> syncl10n: syncl10nclean syncl10ninternal syncl10nclean
[19:13] <zombielogger> oh look
[19:13] <zombielogger> I can express clean after target without fing calling the make file manually
[19:13] <zombielogger> magic that is
[19:14] <palasso> JontheEchidna, yeah basically I wasn't sure if that'd be a bug or a feature request. But basically that's the thing. That's why I also mentioned the importance of the operability in markings files in the bug report
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> palasso: *nod* I'll probably get around it either today or tomorrow, thanks for the reminder
[19:15] <palasso> And it's a perfect time for this because the new synaptic which will be available in 13.04 has fixed some issues on markings files (as I said quickly in the report) so they would be "in sync" the two of them
[19:15] <palasso> JontheEchidna, yw. If you want me sth plz tell. Unfortunately I won't be available this week from Friday to Monday (no internet access)
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> palasso: I should be fine. the feature itself isn't too hard to test
[19:17] <palasso> ok thnx a lot and btw I'd like to mention that I really like the work you've done on Muon :)
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[20:15] <zombielogger> #: src/main.cpp:49
[20:15] <zombielogger> msgid "Jonathan Thomas"
[20:16] <zombielogger> JontheEchidna: I do very much wonder why our names are i18nstrings in kfi
[20:16] <zombielogger> about.addAuthor(ki18n("Jonathan Thomas"),
[20:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:16] <zombielogger> perhaps I stole that from amarok
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> perhaps
[20:16] <zombielogger> which does have translation components in there
[20:16] <shadeslayer> perhaps you were drunk
[20:17] <zombielogger> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKAboutData.html#ac782921de5b112d5a8a52964b6547d8e
[20:17] <zombielogger> it is a klocalizedstring
[20:17] <zombielogger> dafuq
[20:17] <Quintasan> hmmmm
[20:17] <Quintasan> You could actually translate JontheEchidna name
[20:17] <zombielogger> The developer's name. It should be marked for translation like this: ki18n("Developer Name")
[20:17] <Quintasan> and zombielogger surname
[20:17] <zombielogger> no one knows why
[20:18] <jono> Riddell, have you ever actually asked Canonical for money for the donations slider?
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> My last name is spelled "Tomas" in Spanish
[20:18] <zombielogger> Quintasan: why translate names? Oo
[20:18] <jono> "fraud" is a strong word
 JontheEchidna: I do very much wonder why our names are i18nstrings in kfi
[20:18] <ScottK> jono: If you're collecting money for Kubuntu, we should have to ask?
[20:19] <zombielogger> am I missing out on fun again?
[20:19] <jono> ScottK, I am just asking if he has ever asked how the money works there
[20:19] <Quintasan> zombielogger: You're missing out on work as usuaul
[20:19] <Quintasan> usual even*
[20:19] <jono> ScottK, I think if he never asked it is a bit much to accuse Canonical of fraud
[20:20] <zombielogger> Quintasan: I am fixing l10n, unlike you, who is fixing nothing.....
[20:20] <Quintasan> I think I have recently fixed im stuff
[20:20] <Quintasan> along with im-config so we can use it
[20:20] <ScottK> So you are planning on giving some of the money you collect to Kubuntu?
[20:21] <jono> ScottK, I assumed it would go to support the Kubuntu project, yes
[20:22] <jono> I am getting some clarity on this from Steve George to find out what is going on
[20:22]  * zombielogger falls off chair because of all the drama again
[20:23] <ScottK> Considering Canonical started collecting donations in our name without discussing it with us at all, it certainly seems odd.
[20:23] <jono> ScottK, well, my expectation is that those donations should rightfully go to support the areas that the contributor applied them
[20:23] <jono> and I have no reason to presume Canonical won't do that
[20:23] <ScottK> That's certainly what the donations page would lead one to believe.
[20:24] <jono> but I wanted to see if Riddell had been told otherwise by Canonical
[20:24] <jono> if Canonical is not willing to contribute those donations to the project I would agree it could be seen as fraud
[20:24] <zombielogger> ScottK: oh, btw, notion within KDE is that it woud be a good idea to have a kubuntu subevent/KDS as part of akademy and actually we got offered help with setting that up if necessary
[20:24] <jono> but if Riddell hasn't asked Canonical and is presuming this is the case, that is a little unfair
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: good, no one believes zombies
[20:26] <ScottK> I can see how you might see it that way, but OTOH, if you were going to be giving Kubuntu any of the donations, it seems to me also at least equally reasonable to expect some contact would have been made.
[20:27] <shadeslayer> gah forgot about this
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: libktpcommoninternalsprivate5 in binary new
[20:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.  And we're in freeze for Beta 1 so you get it after.
[20:28] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:28] <maco> jono: i dont see the word fraud in his link, so i suppose he edited it
[20:28] <shadeslayer> would have been nice to get it in for Beta 1
[20:28] <jono> maco, see http://www.muktware.com/5369/how-will-changes-ubuntu-affect-kubuntu-exclusive-interview-jonathan-riddell
[20:29] <jono> I still see the word fraud there
[20:29] <jono> " Kubuntu has never received any of these funds or seen any better support, so this is a disappointing case of fraud."
[20:30] <maco> oh this is the link i saw http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/interview
[20:30] <soee> moun discover is in developement  ?
[20:30] <maco> (what Riddell posted in this channel)
[20:31] <jono> interesting, well the content appears in the article so I presume it must have been expanded upon
[20:31] <Quintasan> as I expected
[20:31] <apachelogger> hm
[20:31] <maco> the question being who did the expanding, i suppose
[20:32] <mikhas> ah hi jono! since you are here complaining about others, how about finally providing an official apology how your team(s) handled the Mir announcement? a blog post that with the words "sorry, we screwed up" or along the lines would go a long way to restore some faith
[20:33] <jono> mikhas, I am not complaining about others, just trying to figure out what is going on
[20:33] <jono> mikhas, I am trying to figure this out internally too
[20:33] <mikhas> ok
[20:34] <jono> mikhas, I am not going to apologize for the Mir announcement - firstly, I didn't make it, secondly I think the criticism is not so much the announcement but the fact that Mir exists at all
[20:34] <jono> which I am not going to apologize for, sorry
[20:34] <mikhas> try to apologize for the announcement: 9 months late, with wrong facts about other projects
[20:35] <apachelogger> jono: seeing as we have no data on whether money got donated at all and since we did not get asked on whether we are comfortable with Canonical handling donations for us, fraud seems like "fair" assessment of the situation
[20:35] <jono> mikhas, well, we will have to agree to disagree
[20:35] <maco> mikhas: jono's team doesnt decide squat. thats the engineering team. im not actually WHAT his team decides other than how UDS works, but they dont decide the Mir thing
[20:35] <maco> i a verb
[20:36] <maco> "not actually sure"
[20:36] <jono> apachelogger, I don't think it is fair - I think given the support Canonical has provided to Kubuntu over the years it is reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt
[20:36] <apachelogger> jono: same with Debian and the other flavors FWIW, from an entity POV it's like RedHat allowed users to donate to Kubuntu
[20:36] <jono> I think Riddell knows Canonical would not knowingly wish to defraud the project
[20:36] <apachelogger> jono: from a trust and respect POV I absolutely agree with you
[20:36] <apachelogger> so fraud may be a strong word
[20:36] <jono> maco, well "don't decide squat" is maybe a tad unfair, but yes, we have nothing to do with the engineering decision-making, such as mir :-)
[20:37] <maco> jono: yall dont make the decisions that tick off users & contributors
[20:37] <jono> apachelogger, right, I just think sg at Canonical hasn't got round to issuing the donations yet
[20:37] <jono> apachelogger, I doubt there is anything amiss here, and if there is I am going to push on him hard
[20:37] <jono> maco, yep
[20:37] <skellat> jono: I can't find that quote from yesterday's or today's IRC logs.  It looks generated from whole cloth.
[20:37] <apachelogger> jono: what is amiss is not talking to us *first* IMO
[20:38] <jono> apachelogger, well, you should take that up with Steve George
[20:38] <mikhas> I wonder what the responsibility of a community manager are if not acting as a liaison between community and company.
[20:38] <apachelogger> I mean, really it's the same thing on both ends
[20:38] <jono> would Kubuntu object to having Canonical solicit donations and provide them to the project?
[20:38] <jono> seems like a no-brainer to me :-)
[20:38] <maco> jono: hang on, is muktware the site that the other day edited a photo of riddell all tabloid-style to be holding a shotgun rifle thingy?
[20:38] <jono> mikhas, I am a liaison, but my point is that I am not going to personally apologize for something I didn't do
[20:38] <jono> mikhas, also, I don't disagree with the Mir decision here
[20:38] <apachelogger> Canonical assuming it is ok to collect donations on behalf of Kubuntu and Riddell on the other end assuming the donations were "lost" within Canonical.
[20:39] <ScottK> jono: I agree it's a no brainer, but probably not the same way you do.
[20:39] <jono> maco, not sure
[20:39] <jono> ScottK, you would object to it?
[20:39] <ScottK> Absolutely.
[20:39] <maco> jono: cuz if it is, i may have some concerns about their style of journalism
[20:39] <jono> ScottK, ok, fair enough
[20:39] <ScottK> It's nothing but a source of confusion.
[20:39] <jono> maco, well, I have some concerns about their journalist - I am not sure they are particularly objective
[20:39] <jono> but hey, that is their right :-)
[20:40] <ScottK> Also, I've very little trust it'll be done in a consistent, correct, transparent manner.
[20:40] <jono> ScottK, I know you don't trust Canonical
[20:40]  * apachelogger is generally not enjoying the idea of having another entity handling our money
[20:40] <jono> you have made that abundantly clear ;-)
[20:40] <ScottK> jono: I'm a realist.
[20:40] <maco> jono: i think the "confusion" bit is about the "so canonical does or doesnt sponsor...wait wha???" bit
[20:40] <jono> apachelogger, ScottK ok I am sure we can get it removed from the donations form
[20:40] <jono> would that make you happier?
[20:40] <jono> ScottK, I don't think you are a realist
[20:40] <jono> I think you have an axe to grind
[20:41] <apachelogger> lawl
[20:41] <Quintasan> lel
[20:41] <ScottK> I"d like to know what happened to the money collected so far?
[20:41] <jono> ScottK, so would I, that's why I emailed sg :-)
[20:41] <ScottK> jono: I don't think it's just up to me.
[20:41] <jono> maco, I can see how that could be confusing
[20:41] <ScottK> It's really a decision for the Kubuntu Council fo rthe project to take.
[20:41] <jono> seems fair
[20:41] <apachelogger> I think it really is more of a "trust enough to handle money" question, which is a trust that has to be extended by the council not any one community memberm.
[20:41] <apachelogger> what ScottK said ^^
[20:42] <jono> ScottK, could you raise this with the Kubuntu Council to see if they want it removing?
[20:42] <jono> and I then I can coordinate with Canonical to act on those wishes
[20:42] <ScottK> jono: Let's get the current confusion settled first.
[20:42] <jono> ScottK, ok
[20:42] <jono> I think Canonical will act honorably with the donations
[20:43] <jono> I have no reason to believe otherwise
[20:43] <jono> I know some might not like the technical decision-making at Canonical, but I think that is orthogonal as to whether Canonical could be trusted to handle the donations fairly
[20:43] <jono> and as I day, I will push hard on Canonical if I see them not doing this fairly
[20:43] <skellat> maco, jono: Canonical would be merely acting as a "fiscal agent".  A performing arts non-profit I'm partially attached to as a PR flack has a separate entity, the county's metroparks board, handling the money for us.  This is hardly unusual.
[20:44] <ScottK> BTW, considering Canonical just tried to pull the rug out from under us on a release half way through, I think plenty of skepticism is fairly warranted. 
[20:44] <jono> skellat, yeah
[20:44] <jono> ScottK, I guess that is that axe grinding ;-)
[20:44] <maco> skellat: i was just trying to translate ScottK's expression of confusion
[20:44] <ScottK> skellat: Kubuntu has an entity.
[20:44] <ScottK> We don't need Canonical as an intermediary.
[20:45] <jono> ok, so lets figure out what is going on with the money now
[20:45] <ScottK> jono: Canonical has a demonstrated, repeated pattern of jerking the external community around.  That's just fact.  Not axe grinding.
[20:45] <jono> and then raise it as a Kubuntu Council topic
[20:45]  * ScottK is done.
[20:45] <ScottK> Back to $work.
[20:46] <jono> ScottK, we will need to agree to disagree
[20:47] <highvoltage> ScottK: with some arguements the only winning move is not to play
[20:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: I agree with jono that technical trust is not the same as money trust though. Iff Canonical had kicked us off launchpad that would be affecting money trust as that would have affected finances to some degree.
[20:47] <apachelogger> but as I said I am in general not found of having other entities handle money, regardless of who
[20:48] <maco> if they kicked us off LP that'd be mighty interesting as its a free service :P
[20:50] <jono> apachelogger, right, which would suggest this being a council topic would be the best next step
[20:50] <jono> and then the community can decide in a governed manner and Canonical should respect that decision
[20:50]  * Quintasan adds to schedule
[20:50] <jono> also, if the Kubuntu Council decision is not respected, I would recommend it is raised with the Community Council
[20:52] <apachelogger> noted
[20:54] <jono> likewise, if there other aspects of project governance Kubuntu is not happy with, I recommend you utilize our governance processe
[20:54] <jono> processes
[20:56] <apachelogger> jono: btw, I think you should point out to the flavors that you are collection donations in their name and check whether they are ok with that.
[20:56] <jono> apachelogger, good idea
[20:56]  * apachelogger is now completely lost and doesn't know where he left off with fixing localization :S
[20:56] <jono> I will wait to hear back from Steve and double check if he checked with them
[20:56] <jono> apachelogger, sorry!
[20:56] <jono> <-- blame this guy
[20:56] <jono> lol
[20:57] <apachelogger> jono: no worries, thanks for looking into it ^^
[20:57] <jono> everyone else blames him :-)
[20:57] <jono> apachelogger, no worries
[21:14] <shadeslayer> wat
[21:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: auto-upgrade-tester says the upgrade went fine
[21:14] <shadeslayer> when it did not
[21:14] <shadeslayer> see http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/
[21:14] <shadeslayer> that's the first result after adding kde-full
[21:15] <shadeslayer> 2013-03-11 02:32:02,143 ERROR got a error from dpkg for pkg: '/var/cache/apt/archives/cloud-init_0.7.2~bzr795-0ubuntu1_all.deb': 'subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1'
[21:15] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[21:16] <shadeslayer>     from _sre import MAXREPEAT
[21:16] <shadeslayer> ImportError: cannot import name MAXREPEAT
[21:16] <shadeslayer> all hail python
[21:16] <yofel> wtf
[21:16] <yofel> esp. as I just didn't get that here
[21:17] <shadeslayer> well, it's using EC2 stuff
[21:17] <yofel> all I get is my favourite grub-probe issue
[21:17] <shadeslayer> and not lxc
[21:17] <yofel> ah
[21:49] <yofel> \o/
[21:49] <shadeslayer> bwahahaha
[21:49] <shadeslayer> silly radeon powermanagement
[21:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw, I poked stgraber in -quality about LXC, so maybe we can figure this out together...
[21:50] <shadeslayer> "Is the adapter plugged in? yes? LETS USE THE FULL POWER"
[21:50] <yofel> oh good, here upower is more fun
[21:50] <shadeslayer> "Is the plugged in? no? LETS CRAP OUT THE GRAPHICS TO THE LOWEST MODE SO THAT STUFF IS JERKY"
[21:50] <yofel> My AC is plugged in. upower says:
[21:50] <yofel> AC not plugged in
[21:50] <yofel> Battery 100% (discharging)
[21:51] <shadeslayer> I need a way to downclock the card
[21:52] <yofel> the GPU o.O?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> because apparently you can
[21:52] <shadeslayer> yes
[21:52] <shadeslayer> on battery : http://paste.kde.org/693746/
[21:53] <shadeslayer> on power it throttles to full
[21:54] <yofel> wow, intel debuggin is increadibly useful...
[21:54] <yofel> cat: i915_max_freq: No such device
[21:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:55] <shadeslayer> file exists for me
[21:55] <shadeslayer> says 1200 is the max freq
[21:56] <yofel> well, the *file* exists here too, just doesn't seem to contain any data
[21:56] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:57] <shadeslayer> apparently radeontool allows you to control the frequency
[21:57] <shadeslayer> but for me it says "Cannot find ctrl region"
[22:06] <ScottK> ISO testing time ...  Get to work
[22:06] <apachelogger> oh noes
[22:07] <apachelogger> everyone report that l10n is not working!
[22:07]  * ScottK is sure it works fine in his native language.
[22:08] <apachelogger> we all have the same native language I think
[22:18] <apachelogger> I am now going to breka all building
[22:18] <apachelogger> because I can
[22:18] <apachelogger> .
[22:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMO muon should display messagesand such when a distro upgrade is in progress
[22:50] <apachelogger> also make update notifier KSNI go away
[22:52] <apachelogger> everyone: new pkg-kde-tools uploaded which is supposed to help make l10n work if it breaks for some package, fix it :P
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what would replace the KSNI?
[22:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just hide it
[22:53] <apachelogger> if I am distro upgrading I need not have lingering notifications about updates to the present release I am on
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, make it go away in the context of distro upgrading
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> gotcha
[22:53] <apachelogger> <3
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> I thought you meant bye-byte always
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> s/byte/bye/
[22:53] <kubotu> JontheEchidna meant: "I thought you meant bye-bye always"
[22:54] <apachelogger> ah yes,, that was confusing I suppose ^^
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> meh, but then I have to figure out a clever way to detect if the system is engaging in a distro upgrade
[22:55] <apachelogger> maybe it sets some fancy env var?
[22:55] <apachelogger> eh
[22:55] <apachelogger> nonsense
[22:55] <apachelogger> maybe it creates some fancy stamp/lock file
[22:56] <apachelogger> or not
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> tomorrow is full of maybes :P
[22:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps that needs first some feature in the upgrade thingy
[22:56] <apachelogger> BECAUSE I can also run the upgrader twice
[22:56] <apachelogger> which is even more wrong IMO
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> I could run top, redirect the output to a file in /tmp, and scan the file for the process name of the dist-upgrader :D
[22:57] <apachelogger> lol
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> (invoking konsole to do this, of course)
[22:58] <apachelogger> well, I suppose it would be enough to have a qtimer that fires every 60 seconds or so, then iter through /proc/*/cmdline and look for stuff with release-upgrade or what's it called
[22:58] <apachelogger> but that's also shitty
[22:58] <apachelogger> utlimately it would simply place a lock file somewhere
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> that's actually what aptdaemon does: http://paste.kde.org/693824/
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> for the apt locks
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> unsure if the dist-upgrader locks apt for its entire lifetime or not, though
[23:00] <Riddell> hmm, we have competition https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html
[23:00] <apachelogger> as long as they are equally visionless...
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the point is that I am a silly user and downloading takes ages, so in the meanwhile I may decide to click the update button
[23:01] <apachelogger> or try to install another piece of sofware
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> Oh I agree. I'm just bitching about it being hard :P
[23:01] <apachelogger> and in both cases mmuon shouts at me about something being kaput
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should bitch to Quintasan
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:02] <apachelogger> he's not much use otherwise
[23:02] <apachelogger> also he's never around when I try to troll him :@
[23:03]  * Mamarok wonders if it is safe to just change the sources from Quantal to Raring
[23:03] <Mamarok> I am too lazy to download an ISO
[23:03] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade is your friend
[23:04] <Mamarok> sounds like a plan :)
[23:04] <apachelogger> Mamarok: don't try to install software while it's working though, muon gets all pissed when you do that
[23:05] <Mamarok> no problem, I will let it finish quitely
[23:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: read the backlog from #ubuntu-quality, that sounds like fun :P
[23:26] <yofel> qa is always "fun"
[23:26] <yofel> esp. when qa qa...
[23:26] <yofel> *when you
[23:26] <yofel> profile: share/profiles/kubuntu worked
[23:27] <yofel> stop lying to me
[23:28] <shadeslayer> haha
[23:28] <shadeslayer> I know right :P
[23:58] <Mamarok> one error message so far, /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.5_5.5.29-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb can't be installed, upgrade still under way