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| didrocks | good morning btw :) | 06:38 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:42 |
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| jibel | good morning | 08:42 |
| BigWhale | Greetings everyone. | 08:53 |
| Laney | hey | 09:05 |
| mlankhorst | g'day! | 09:05 |
| * Laney drinks a Fosters | 09:05 | |
| Sweetshark | hmm, we gotta keep us the pace, we have Steam on Ubuntu, but these russians have Angry Birds on ATMS ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXP-1WpOIs | 09:07 |
| didrocks | hey jibel, how were your holidays? | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | yoyoyo | 09:11 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, had a good w.e ? | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how about you? | 09:14 |
| mlankhorst | Sweetshark: who says those atms dont run ubuntu?! | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, had a great steak at lunchtime yesterday :) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I had a good w.e thanks ;-) | 09:18 |
| Sweetshark | mlankhorst: the video shows pretty clear it has the Windows XP kindergarden-color UI ... | 09:28 |
| mlankhorst | ah I didn't check, if you say it's a video about running angry birds on an atm I believe you without looking :P | 09:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, ça va ? | 10:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, are MIR by binary package and not source? | 10:02 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128, ça va bien, et toi? | 10:02 |
| Laney | wow, the snow is really coming down now! | 10:02 |
| pitti | seb128: no, by source | 10:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, ça va bien merci | 10:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, ignore me, your logind line is a FFE not MIR | 10:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, you are aiming at landing that for raring then? | 10:04 |
| pitti | seb128: slangasek/stgraber mentioned that they might want it in raring, yes | 10:04 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:04 |
| seb128 | +1 from me ;-) | 10:04 |
| pitti | if not, it'll make s first thing | 10:04 |
| pitti | I guess it won't hurt us too much to keep CK around for yet another cycle, it does feel a bit rushed now | 10:05 |
| pitti | but it e. g. blocks ricotz/jbicha for updating to GNOME 3.8 | 10:05 |
| seb128 | yeah, but at the same time that vUDS screwed us on feature | 10:05 |
| seb128 | we didn't land systemd-services, which is blocking 5 other merges to land | 10:06 |
| seb128 | we didn't land gtk 3.8 | 10:06 |
| seb128 | we start having too many patched versions/transitions baked in ppas | 10:06 |
| pitti | *nod* | 10:06 |
| seb128 | if we keep adding to that for the next 1.5 month until release it's going to be hard to manage | 10:06 |
| seb128 | we had some of the ppas broken because of uploads to the archive, we need to keep rebasing | 10:07 |
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| seb128 | chrisccoulson, could you install https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=intel&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring and drop the xorg.conf hack and confirm it that fixes the firefox image corruption issue for you? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it seems for me but I was never able to trigger it easily so I'm not sure | 10:20 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, sure, i'll do that in a few moments | 10:20 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 10:21 |
| Laney | pitti: So how do I get loginctl to list my sessions with the PPA package? | 10:42 |
| pitti | just "loginctl" does that here | 10:43 |
| pitti | same with the raring package | 10:43 |
| pitti | ah no, there it's systemd-loginctl | 10:43 |
| Laney | hm, 0 sessions listed | 10:43 |
| * Laney looks at upstart user sessions | 10:45 | |
| pitti | Laney: do you have libpam-systemd installed? | 10:45 |
| pitti | Laney: (and libpam-xdg-support uninstalled) | 10:45 |
| Laney | ah, no | 10:46 |
| Laney | so that would be a seed change | 10:46 |
| pitti | right | 10:46 |
| Laney | let me see | 10:47 |
| Laney | a timely fsck | 10:48 |
| Laney | yes, much better | 10:54 |
| Laney | I was scared that there was no reboot entry in the session indicator but it seems that's the unity change | 10:54 |
| Laney | is that by design? | 10:54 |
| pitti | I do have a reboot in the indicator | 10:55 |
| pitti | but probably because I'm running the converted gnome-session | 10:55 |
| Laney | do you have the new shutdown UI? | 10:55 |
| pitti | but if you still have consolekit installed, it should be there either way | 10:55 |
| pitti | gdbus call -e -d org.gnome.SessionManager -o /org/gnome/SessionManager -m org.gnome.SessionManager.CanShutdown | 10:55 |
| pitti | does that say (true,) ? | 10:55 |
| pitti | (it should) | 10:55 |
| pitti | Laney: I don't know what the "new shutdown UI" is | 10:56 |
| Laney | yes, it does | 10:56 |
| Laney | if you pick Shut Down from the session indicator you get a shiny black shutdown dialog | 10:56 |
| Laney | instead of the old gtk one | 10:56 |
| pitti | I still get a rather dull dialog box | 10:56 |
| Laney | http://i.imgur.com/f4he5KH.png | 10:57 |
| pitti | is that in raring? | 10:57 |
| Laney | yeah, probably in the most recent daily releases | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | pitti, bah, no more hal ... i guess i need to do sonme work then ... (usb-imagewriter has nothong in common with usb-creator, its just a graphical dd) | 10:58 |
| * pitti dist-upgrades | 10:58 | |
| pitti | ogra_: and no more pygtk, glade, etc. | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | oh, crapa | 10:59 |
| pitti | ogra_: so it's still relevant? | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | sounds like a complete rewrite ... | 10:59 |
| Laney | Right, so, anyway. For the FFe - you'll be uploading udev to stop providing the library which moves into systemd? | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | well, if you want a UI for plain dd operations its still the best to use | 10:59 |
| pitti | Laney: we can drop libudev0 once we rebuilt everything against libudev1, yes | 11:00 |
| pitti | Laney: well, udev itself still uses it, but we can put the .so into teh udev package if you prefer | 11:00 |
| Laney | they can coexist? | 11:01 |
| pitti | Laney: I don't think we should cram the new udev into raring, that's too risky IMHO | 11:01 |
| pitti | Laney: yes, the ABI didn't change a lot, and the on-disk format didn't change at all | 11:01 |
| Laney | OK, and agreed about the new udev. | 11:03 |
| pitti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604479/ | 11:03 |
| pitti | udev_monitor_new_from_socket() is bound by pyudev(), that needs to be changed to udev_monitor_new_from_netlink() | 11:05 |
| pitti | udev_device_get_dm_cookie_set() and udev_device_get_dm_cookie_set() are not used anywhere | 11:06 |
| pitti | and udev_get_dev_() are now hardcoded to be /dev/, /run, and /sys | 11:06 |
| pitti | so it'll mean some adjustments here and there | 11:07 |
| pitti | but codesearch.d.o says it's fairly low impact | 11:07 |
| pitti | Laney: FYI, it's still a bit unclear how we set up the cgroups for standalone logind to avoid confusing software which uses sd_booted() or their own implemenation of checking for /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/ | 11:09 |
| pitti | I'm currently discussing that with mbiebl | 11:10 |
| Laney | Is that software which uses this to decide whether the system is using systemd as init? | 11:10 |
| pitti | yes | 11:11 |
| pitti | well, that or whether they really mean "can I use logind" | 11:11 |
| pitti | but the former would be the common case | 11:12 |
| pitti | Laney: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%2Fsys%2Ffs%2Fcgroup%2Fsystemd | 11:12 |
| pitti | there are a few | 11:12 |
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| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you try the intel update? | 12:52 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, it seems ok atm | 13:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good ;-) | 13:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, can you comment on the bug saying that? | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, done | 13:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 13:05 |
| autoditac | hey all. how do add a custom, hard-wired mandatory launcher that users are not able to remove from the dash - like the nautilus "$home" launcher (12.04)? is this done via dconf? | 13:20 |
| * Sweetshark is getting nervous. More snow in a today than Hamburg usually has in a year. | 13:22 | |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: @wd0053.dip.tu-dresden.de? | 13:22 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: Did you see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/ImpressSprint2013 | 13:23 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: If you go there, I would invite you for a beer. I certainly owe you one ;) | 13:24 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, oh, haven't seen this, but i don't think i will make it there | 13:30 |
| autoditac | ooops. what i called the "dash" is actually called the "launcher" and i want to add are hard-coded "launcher icons" :) | 13:30 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, btw, i updated the stats pdf, i gave you a link for | 13:30 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: woha, still 2K downloads for lucid? | 13:33 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, yeah, looks like it | 13:38 |
| seb128 | autoditac, hey, try asking on #ubuntu-unity maybe? | 13:38 |
| autoditac | seb128, allrighty. thanks! | 13:38 |
| Sweetshark | ricotz: the raring numbers wont rise anymore as that package is already outdated by now. | 13:39 |
| ricotz | Sweetshark, yeah, that is expected | 13:42 |
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| seb128 | jbicha, hey, do you plan to email the gnome release team about the gcalctool rename? | 14:22 |
| seb128 | not sure what I should do with the raring package, I was sort of waiting for you on that one | 14:22 |
| jbicha | seb128: thanks for the ping, I kinda forgot about it :( | 14:23 |
| seb128 | jbicha, no worry, thanks ;-) | 14:23 |
| ogra_ | seb128, i assume you know already, but just confirming that nautilus works fine on nx7 desktop now | 15:01 |
| seb128 | ogra_, yeah, I managed to test by myself, but thanks for confirming ;-) | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | yup, i thought so | 15:02 |
| attente | seb128: hey, the gtk in the ubuntu desktop ppa is based off which bzr branch? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | attente, hey, none, local one (if you are speaking about 3.7) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | but it would be a good idea to push that somewhere | 15:13 |
| seb128 | let me a minute | 15:13 |
| attente | seb128, cool, thanks | 15:13 |
| seb128 | attente, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3-38 | 15:25 |
| attente | seb128, thanks | 15:26 |
| seb128 | yw, thanks for the ping, it's always a good away to push the work in progress somewhere ;-) | 15:28 |
| mhr3 | dobey, or perhaps here? :) | 15:43 |
| dobey | better than #vala probably :) | 15:44 |
| dobey | mhr3: what's up? | 15:56 |
| mhr3 | dobey, i hear you want to help us with some software center stuff | 15:56 |
| s9iper1 | seb128: dvd is not mounting it shows an error | 15:59 |
| s9iper1 | 13.04 | 15:59 |
| s9iper1 | anybody else | 16:01 |
| s9iper1 | here is the screenshot http://imagebin.org/249854 | 16:02 |
| attente | s9iper1: maybe try installing libudf0? | 16:09 |
| s9iper1 | attente: after installing again Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: Command-line `mount "/mnt/wwn-0x5001480000000000"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf | 16:12 |
| mhr3 | didrocks, app-install-data is owned by ubuntu-core-dev, dobey doesn't have access to that | 16:16 |
| didrocks | mhr3: well, if he proposes a branch, we can sponsor it for him | 16:16 |
| mhr3 | i was just going to ask if that's a problem | 16:16 |
| dobey | anyone can propose a branch | 16:16 |
| mhr3 | dobey, aren't the categories defined by fdo? | 16:19 |
| mhr3 | i'm not sure if we can just add a custom one there | 16:19 |
| dobey | mhr3: X-Ubuntu-Unity-Scope would be a valid category per fdo | 16:22 |
| dobey | mhr3: just need to document it in the scopes spec or whatever, and any other appropriate places, and fix the code to use it, i guess | 16:23 |
| dobey | i need to get lunch. bbiab | 16:25 |
| seb128 | s9iper1, does it happen with any dvd? is that movie or data? | 16:54 |
| seb128 | jbicha, can you +1 bug #1153567? | 16:56 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1153567 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Use systemd-services rather than ubuntu-system-service systemdcompatibility code" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153567 | 16:56 |
| s9iper1 | seb18: it with the every cd i have checked it with movie dvd just.. | 17:05 |
| s9iper1 | seb128: | 17:07 |
| s9iper1 | anybody help me here as wel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1153619 | 17:16 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1153619 in modemmanager "i cant enable my wireless network with hardware button " [High,New] | 17:16 |
| seb128 | s9iper1, is that with cds or movie dvd or both? | 17:20 |
| s9iper1 | seb128: its with the both but with cd its change | 17:22 |
| s9iper1 | here is the error with the cd = Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: Command-line `mount "/mnt/wwn-0x5001480000000000"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | missing codepage or helper program, or other error | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | dmesg | tail or so | 17:23 |
| seb128 | s9iper1, works here, are you using a custom kernel? | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | yes i have installed kernel today | 17:23 |
| s9iper1 | seb128: its 3.9.0 | 17:24 |
| seb128 | seems like an issue with that kernel then | 17:24 |
| s9iper1 | seb128: hmmm what do i do ? | 17:28 |
| dobey | back | 17:28 |
| seb128 | s9iper1, you ask on #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 for user questions | 17:28 |
| s9iper1 | ok | 17:28 |
| dobey | didrocks: so where'd you get the idea that i should own app-install-data? :) | 17:41 |
| didrocks | dobey: mvo was handling it in the past | 17:42 |
| didrocks | dobey: as you took software-center, it seems like a pack for me :) | 17:42 |
| dobey | well, i specifically didn't take software-center. my team (online services) did, and i'm the most knowledgeable about packaging and gtk+ so i've been stuck with doing some work on it. but there was no indication that our team was taking over app-install-data-ubuntu as well. | 17:44 |
| didrocks | interesting, let's figure that out, it's not a big extra work anyway for whoever takes it | 17:45 |
| dobey | well, changing ownership is a lot of work | 17:45 |
| dobey | i'm not sure ~ubuntu-core-dev wants it to change either | 17:45 |
| didrocks | dobey: the launchpad process is straightforward, we did that a lot of unity-team | 17:46 |
| didrocks | where things are owned by both | 17:46 |
| didrocks | but anyway, /me waves good evening | 17:46 |
| dobey | well that was a quick goodbye | 17:46 |
| seb128 | hum | 18:29 |
| seb128 | I wonder if I should upload https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133738514/notice.patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1130158 | 18:29 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1130158 in gnome-control-center "Add 'legal notice' to "System Settings/Details" panel" [Medium,Triaged] | 18:29 |
| seb128 | that's quite hackish | 18:29 |
| seb128 | the other way would be to make the info panel use webkitgtk... not sure I like that better | 18:30 |
| xnox | hmm... dash opens a webpage in the web-browser with further links. | 18:35 |
| xnox | In ubiquity I am adding a webkitgtk window, but I requested the embedded page to be fully reflowable and light on css (e.g. bold an paragraph breaks only) | 18:35 |
| xnox | such that in the installer it's fully justified text. | 18:35 |
| xnox | usb-creator at the moment just loads .txt into a textentry widget. | 18:36 |
| xnox | 4 links seem interesting, also why do 2 of them have the same text? "our privacy policy" and the last one has url as text? | 18:37 |
| xnox | seb128: ^ | 18:37 |
| seb128 | xnox, look at the html added by design in the bug | 18:38 |
| seb128 | xnox, that page is supposed to deprecate the dash link I think | 18:38 |
| seb128 | xnox, I might end up doing the webkitgtk view, I don't like much creating an extra rdepends on it and loading webkit only for that, but gtk itself is just ridiculous for that | 18:39 |
| xnox | seb128: you mean the dash html is going away? as that attached html matches what dash info icon at the bottom right currently opens for me ( file:///usr/share/unity/6/searchingthedashlegalnotice.html ) | 18:40 |
| seb128 | xnox, I think the text "click there" in the dash is going away, they want just one central place in the desktop for the notice text | 18:40 |
| xnox | seb128: I see. | 18:40 |
| seb128 | rather than having it in e.g dash, u1, etc | 18:40 |
| xnox | seb128: for ubuntu one the installer will be showing this http://jsfiddle.net/jgdx/TjFRU/show/ | 18:41 |
| xnox | which is much nicer for embedding in a small window (resize it to see how nicely it reflows) | 18:41 |
| xnox | I don't like the forced whitespce / let's make it look like A4 page style of the current dash legal text. | 18:41 |
| seb128 | well, the gtktextview is ok, there is only vertical scrolling | 18:42 |
| seb128 | but having the tag/hardcoded positions is tedious and making the urls clickable is ridiculous | 18:42 |
| seb128 | (or you can use a gtklinkbutton but that looks weirdà | 18:42 |
| seb128 | ) | 18:42 |
| xnox | =/ yeah i went with the easy webkitgtk as we already use it for the slideshow. | 18:43 |
| seb128 | I should probably do the same ;-) | 18:43 |
| xnox | jbicha: Gnomuntu | 18:52 |
| qengho | At some point, "-rfakeroot" on dpkg-buildpackage became redundant and I didn't notice. I'm cursing you all. | 19:28 |
| * qengho shakes fist. | 19:28 | |
| jbicha | xnox: I think we have got plenty of names to choose from, thanks though :) | 19:33 |
| Laney | jeremuntu | 19:36 |
| seb128 | shellbuntu | 19:42 |
| * jbicha adds two more names to the shoebox | 19:43 | |
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| robru | hey attente, is this error caused by that PPA of yours that I enabled? or is this unrelated?http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605441/ | 23:22 |
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