[06:38] <didrocks> good morning btw :)
[06:42] <pitti> Good morning
[08:42] <jibel> good morning
[08:53] <BigWhale> Greetings everyone.
[09:05] <Laney> hey
[09:05] <mlankhorst> g'day!
[09:05]  * Laney drinks a Fosters
[09:07] <Sweetshark> hmm, we gotta keep us the pace, we have Steam on Ubuntu, but these russians have Angry Birds on ATMS ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXP-1WpOIs
[09:07] <didrocks> hey jibel, how were your holidays?
[09:08] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> yoyoyo
[09:13] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, had a good w.e ?
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how about you?
[09:16] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: who says those atms dont run ubuntu?!
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, had a great steak at lunchtime yesterday :)
[09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I had a good w.e thanks ;-)
[09:28] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: the video shows pretty clear it has the Windows XP kindergarden-color UI ...
[09:30] <mlankhorst> ah I didn't check, if you say it's a video about running angry birds on an atm I believe you without looking :P
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va ?
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, are MIR by binary package and not source?
[10:02] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va bien, et toi?
[10:02] <Laney> wow, the snow is really coming down now!
[10:02] <pitti> seb128: no, by source
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien merci
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, oh, ignore me, your logind line is a FFE not MIR
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, you are aiming at landing that for raring then?
[10:04] <pitti> seb128: slangasek/stgraber mentioned that they might want it in raring, yes
[10:04] <seb128> cool
[10:04] <seb128> +1 from me ;-)
[10:04] <pitti> if not, it'll make s first thing
[10:05] <pitti> I guess it won't hurt us too much to keep CK around for yet another cycle, it does feel a bit rushed now
[10:05] <pitti> but it e. g. blocks ricotz/jbicha for updating to GNOME 3.8
[10:05] <seb128> yeah, but at the same time that vUDS screwed us on feature
[10:06] <seb128> we didn't land systemd-services, which is blocking 5 other merges to land
[10:06] <seb128> we didn't land gtk 3.8
[10:06] <seb128> we start having too many patched versions/transitions baked in ppas
[10:06] <pitti> *nod*
[10:06] <seb128> if we keep adding to that for the next 1.5 month until release it's going to be hard to manage
[10:07] <seb128> we had some of the ppas broken because of uploads to the archive, we need to keep rebasing
[10:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, could you install https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=intel&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring and drop the xorg.conf hack and confirm it that fixes the firefox image corruption issue for you?
[10:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it seems for me but I was never able to trigger it easily so I'm not sure
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, sure, i'll do that in a few moments
[10:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[10:42] <Laney> pitti: So how do I get loginctl to list my sessions with the PPA package?
[10:43] <pitti> just "loginctl" does that here
[10:43] <pitti> same with the raring package
[10:43] <pitti> ah no, there it's systemd-loginctl
[10:43] <Laney> hm, 0 sessions listed
[10:45]  * Laney looks at upstart user sessions
[10:45] <pitti> Laney: do you have libpam-systemd installed?
[10:45] <pitti> Laney: (and libpam-xdg-support uninstalled)
[10:46] <Laney> ah, no
[10:46] <Laney> so that would be a seed change
[10:46] <pitti> right
[10:47] <Laney> let me see
[10:48] <Laney> a timely fsck
[10:54] <Laney> yes, much better
[10:54] <Laney> I was scared that there was no reboot entry in the session indicator but it seems that's the unity change
[10:54] <Laney> is that by design?
[10:55] <pitti> I do have a reboot in the indicator
[10:55] <pitti> but probably because I'm running the converted gnome-session
[10:55] <Laney> do you have the new shutdown UI?
[10:55] <pitti> but if you still have consolekit installed, it should be there either way
[10:55] <pitti> gdbus call -e -d org.gnome.SessionManager -o /org/gnome/SessionManager -m org.gnome.SessionManager.CanShutdown
[10:55] <pitti> does that say (true,) ?
[10:55] <pitti> (it should)
[10:56] <pitti> Laney: I don't know what the "new shutdown UI" is
[10:56] <Laney> yes, it does
[10:56] <Laney> if you pick Shut Down from the session indicator you get a shiny black shutdown dialog
[10:56] <Laney> instead of the old gtk one
[10:56] <pitti> I still get a rather dull dialog box
[10:57] <Laney> http://i.imgur.com/f4he5KH.png
[10:57] <pitti> is that in raring?
[10:58] <Laney> yeah, probably in the most recent daily releases
[10:58] <ogra_> pitti, bah, no more hal ... i guess i need to do sonme work then ... (usb-imagewriter has nothong in common with usb-creator, its just a graphical dd)
[10:58]  * pitti dist-upgrades
[10:58] <pitti> ogra_: and no more pygtk, glade, etc.
[10:59] <ogra_> oh, crapa
[10:59] <pitti> ogra_: so it's still relevant?
[10:59] <ogra_> sounds like a complete rewrite ...
[10:59] <Laney> Right, so, anyway. For the FFe - you'll be uploading udev to stop providing the library which moves into systemd?
[10:59] <ogra_> well, if you want a UI for plain dd operations its still the best to use
[11:00] <pitti> Laney: we can drop libudev0 once we rebuilt everything against libudev1, yes
[11:00] <pitti> Laney: well, udev itself still uses it, but we can put the .so into teh udev package if you prefer
[11:01] <Laney> they can coexist?
[11:01] <pitti> Laney: I don't think we should cram the new udev into raring, that's too risky IMHO
[11:01] <pitti> Laney: yes, the ABI didn't change a lot, and the on-disk format didn't change at all
[11:03] <Laney> OK, and agreed about the new udev.
[11:03] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604479/
[11:05] <pitti> udev_monitor_new_from_socket() is bound by pyudev(), that needs to be changed to udev_monitor_new_from_netlink()
[11:06] <pitti> udev_device_get_dm_cookie_set() and udev_device_get_dm_cookie_set() are not used anywhere
[11:06] <pitti> and udev_get_dev_() are now hardcoded to be /dev/, /run, and /sys
[11:07] <pitti> so it'll mean some adjustments here and there
[11:07] <pitti> but codesearch.d.o says it's fairly low impact
[11:09] <pitti> Laney: FYI, it's still a bit unclear how we set up the cgroups for standalone logind to avoid confusing software which uses sd_booted() or their own implemenation of checking for /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/
[11:10] <pitti> I'm currently discussing that with mbiebl
[11:10] <Laney> Is that software which uses this to decide whether the system is using systemd as init?
[11:11] <pitti> yes
[11:11] <pitti> well, that or whether they really mean "can I use logind"
[11:12] <pitti> but the former would be the common case
[11:12] <pitti> Laney: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%2Fsys%2Ffs%2Fcgroup%2Fsystemd
[11:12] <pitti> there are a few
[12:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you try the intel update?
[13:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it seems ok atm
[13:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good ;-)
[13:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you comment on the bug saying that?
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, done
[13:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[13:20] <autoditac> hey all. how do add a custom, hard-wired mandatory launcher that users are not able to remove from the dash  - like the nautilus "$home" launcher (12.04)? is this done via dconf?
[13:22]  * Sweetshark is getting nervous. More snow in a today than Hamburg usually has in a year.
[13:22] <Sweetshark> ricotz: @wd0053.dip.tu-dresden.de?
[13:23] <Sweetshark> ricotz: Did you see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/ImpressSprint2013
[13:24] <Sweetshark> ricotz: If you go there, I would invite you for a beer. I certainly owe you one ;)
[13:30] <ricotz> Sweetshark, oh, haven't seen this, but i don't think i will make it there
[13:30] <autoditac> ooops. what i called the "dash" is actually called the "launcher" and i want to add are hard-coded "launcher icons" :)
[13:30] <ricotz> Sweetshark, btw, i updated the stats pdf, i gave you a link for
[13:33] <Sweetshark> ricotz: woha, still 2K downloads for lucid?
[13:38] <ricotz> Sweetshark, yeah, looks like it
[13:38] <seb128> autoditac, hey, try asking on #ubuntu-unity maybe?
[13:38] <autoditac> seb128, allrighty. thanks!
[13:39] <Sweetshark> ricotz: the raring numbers wont rise anymore as that package is already outdated by now.
[13:42] <ricotz> Sweetshark, yeah, that is expected
[14:22] <seb128> jbicha, hey, do you plan to email the gnome release team about the gcalctool rename?
[14:22] <seb128> not sure what I should do with the raring package, I was sort of waiting for you on that one
[14:23] <jbicha> seb128: thanks for the ping, I kinda forgot about it :(
[14:23] <seb128> jbicha, no worry, thanks ;-)
[15:01] <ogra_> seb128, i assume you know already, but just confirming that nautilus works fine on nx7 desktop now
[15:02] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, I managed to test by myself, but thanks for confirming ;-)
[15:02] <ogra_> yup, i thought so
[15:12] <attente> seb128: hey, the gtk in the ubuntu desktop ppa is based off which bzr branch?
[15:13] <seb128> attente, hey, none, local one (if you are speaking about 3.7)
[15:13] <seb128> but it would be a good idea to push that somewhere
[15:13] <seb128> let me a minute
[15:13] <attente> seb128, cool, thanks
[15:25] <seb128> attente, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3-38
[15:26] <attente> seb128, thanks
[15:28] <seb128> yw, thanks for the ping, it's always a good away to push the work in progress somewhere ;-)
[15:43] <mhr3> dobey, or perhaps here? :)
[15:44] <dobey> better than #vala probably :)
[15:56] <dobey> mhr3: what's up?
[15:56] <mhr3> dobey, i hear you want to help us with some software center stuff
[15:59] <s9iper1> seb128: dvd is not mounting it shows an error
[15:59] <s9iper1> 13.04
[16:01] <s9iper1> anybody else
[16:02] <s9iper1> here is the screenshot http://imagebin.org/249854
[16:09] <attente> s9iper1: maybe try installing libudf0?
[16:12] <s9iper1> attente:  after installing  again Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: Command-line `mount "/mnt/wwn-0x5001480000000000"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf
[16:16] <mhr3> didrocks, app-install-data is owned by ubuntu-core-dev, dobey doesn't have access to that
[16:16] <didrocks> mhr3: well, if he proposes a branch, we can sponsor it for him
[16:16] <mhr3> i was just going to ask if that's a problem
[16:16] <dobey> anyone can propose a branch
[16:19] <mhr3> dobey, aren't the categories defined by fdo?
[16:19] <mhr3> i'm not sure if we can just add a custom one there
[16:22] <dobey> mhr3: X-Ubuntu-Unity-Scope would be a valid category per fdo
[16:23] <dobey> mhr3: just need to document it in the scopes spec or whatever, and any other appropriate places, and fix the code to use it, i guess
[16:25] <dobey> i need to get lunch. bbiab
[16:54] <seb128> s9iper1, does it happen with any dvd? is that movie or data?
[16:56] <seb128> jbicha, can you +1 bug #1153567?
[16:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153567 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Use systemd-services rather than ubuntu-system-service systemdcompatibility code" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153567
[17:05] <s9iper1> seb18: it with the every cd i have checked it with movie dvd just..
[17:07] <s9iper1> seb128:
[17:16] <s9iper1> anybody help me here as wel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1153619
[17:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153619 in modemmanager "i cant enable my wireless network with hardware button " [High,New]
[17:20] <seb128> s9iper1, is that with cds or movie dvd or both?
[17:22] <s9iper1> seb128: its with the both but with cd its change
[17:23] <s9iper1> here is the error with the cd   =   Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: Command-line `mount "/mnt/wwn-0x5001480000000000"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[17:23] <s9iper1> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
[17:23] <s9iper1>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[17:23] <s9iper1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[17:23] <s9iper1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[17:23] <seb128> s9iper1, works here, are you using a custom kernel?
[17:23] <s9iper1> yes i have installed kernel today
[17:24] <s9iper1> seb128: its 3.9.0
[17:24] <seb128> seems like an issue with that kernel then
[17:28] <s9iper1> seb128: hmmm what do i do ?
[17:28] <dobey> back
[17:28] <seb128> s9iper1, you ask on #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 for user questions
[17:28] <s9iper1> ok
[17:41] <dobey> didrocks: so where'd you get the idea that i should own app-install-data? :)
[17:42] <didrocks> dobey: mvo was handling it in the past
[17:42] <didrocks> dobey: as you took software-center, it seems like a pack for me :)
[17:44] <dobey> well, i specifically didn't take software-center. my team (online services) did, and i'm the most knowledgeable about packaging and gtk+ so i've been stuck with doing some work on it. but there was no indication that our team was taking over app-install-data-ubuntu as well.
[17:45] <didrocks> interesting, let's figure that out, it's not a big extra work anyway for whoever takes it
[17:45] <dobey> well, changing ownership is a lot of work
[17:45] <dobey> i'm not sure ~ubuntu-core-dev wants it to change either
[17:46] <didrocks> dobey: the launchpad process is straightforward, we did that a lot of unity-team
[17:46] <didrocks> where things are owned by both
[17:46] <didrocks> but anyway, /me waves good evening
[17:46] <dobey> well that was a quick goodbye
[18:29] <seb128> hum
[18:29] <seb128> I wonder if I should upload https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133738514/notice.patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1130158
[18:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1130158 in gnome-control-center "Add 'legal notice' to "System Settings/Details" panel" [Medium,Triaged]
[18:29] <seb128> that's quite hackish
[18:30] <seb128> the other way would be to make the info panel use webkitgtk... not sure I like that better
[18:35] <xnox> hmm... dash opens a webpage in the web-browser with further links.
[18:35] <xnox> In ubiquity I am adding a webkitgtk window, but I requested the embedded page to be fully reflowable and light on css (e.g. bold an paragraph breaks only)
[18:35] <xnox> such that in the installer it's fully justified text.
[18:36] <xnox> usb-creator at the moment just loads .txt into a textentry widget.
[18:37] <xnox> 4 links seem interesting, also why do 2 of them have the same text? "our privacy policy" and the last one has url as text?
[18:37] <xnox> seb128: ^
[18:38] <seb128> xnox, look at the html added by design in the bug
[18:38] <seb128> xnox, that page is supposed to deprecate the dash link I think
[18:39] <seb128> xnox, I might end up doing the webkitgtk view, I don't like much creating an extra rdepends on it and loading webkit only for that, but gtk itself is just ridiculous for that
[18:40] <xnox> seb128: you mean the dash html is going away? as that attached html matches what dash info icon at the bottom right currently opens for me ( file:///usr/share/unity/6/searchingthedashlegalnotice.html )
[18:40] <seb128> xnox, I think the text "click there" in the dash is going away, they want just one central place in the desktop for the notice text
[18:40] <xnox> seb128: I see.
[18:40] <seb128> rather than having it in e.g dash, u1, etc
[18:41] <xnox> seb128: for ubuntu one the installer will be showing this http://jsfiddle.net/jgdx/TjFRU/show/
[18:41] <xnox> which is much nicer for embedding in a small window (resize it to see how nicely it reflows)
[18:41] <xnox> I don't like the forced whitespce / let's make it look like A4 page style of the current dash legal text.
[18:42] <seb128> well, the gtktextview is ok, there is only vertical scrolling
[18:42] <seb128> but having the tag/hardcoded positions is tedious and making the urls clickable is ridiculous
[18:42] <seb128> (or you can use a gtklinkbutton but that looks weirdà
[18:42] <seb128> )
[18:43] <xnox> =/ yeah i went with the easy webkitgtk as we already use it for the slideshow.
[18:43] <seb128> I should probably do the same ;-)
[18:52] <xnox> jbicha: Gnomuntu
[19:28] <qengho> At some point, "-rfakeroot" on dpkg-buildpackage became redundant and I didn't notice.  I'm cursing you all.
[19:28]  * qengho shakes fist.
[19:33] <jbicha> xnox: I think we have got plenty of names to choose from, thanks though :)
[19:36] <Laney> jeremuntu
[19:42] <seb128> shellbuntu
[19:43]  * jbicha adds two more names to the shoebox
[23:22] <robru> hey attente, is this error caused by that PPA of yours that I enabled? or is this unrelated?http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605441/