[13:51] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[13:51] <bdrung> meeting in 10 minutes
[13:51] <tumbleweed> hi
[13:51] <stgraber> hmm, we should change !dmb-ping
[13:52] <tumbleweed> action: stgraber?
[13:53] <stgraber> tumbleweed: fine, I'll do it
[14:00] <Laney> hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:00] <Laney> #startmeeting
[14:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 11 14:00:18 2013 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:00] <darkxst> Hi
[14:01]  * stgraber waves
[14:01] <Laney> !dmb-ping is bdrung, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, ScottK, stgraber: DMB ping
[14:01] <ScottK> \o
[14:02] <bdrung> o/
[14:02] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:02] <Laney> #subtopic Micah to send summary of PPU decoupling discuss to the DMB list
[14:02]  * Laney looks for it
[14:02] <bdrung> i can't remember reading one
[14:03] <Laney> bad micahg
[14:03] <Laney> so, carried I suppose ... This discussion drags on
[14:03] <Laney> what about The Feedback? I still haven't seen that
[14:03] <bdrung> me neither
[14:04] <Laney> #action Micah to send summary of PPU decoupling discuss to the DMB list
[14:04] <meetingology> ACTION: Micah to send summary of PPU decoupling discuss to the DMB list
[14:05] <Laney> #action Micah to urgently send feedback on Bjorn's PPU application
[14:05] <meetingology> ACTION: Micah to urgently send feedback on Bjorn's PPU application
[14:05] <Laney> let's move on
[14:05] <Laney> #topic PerPackageUploader Applications
[14:05] <Laney> erm
[14:05] <Laney> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications
[14:05] <Pici> Laney: factoid updated
[14:05] <Laney> #subtopic Tim Lunn (darkxst)
[14:05] <Laney> Pici: merci
[14:06] <Laney> darkxst: you're up - howdy
[14:06] <Laney> can you introduce yourself?
[14:06] <darkxst> I am one of the main developers working on Ubuntu GNOME, and more generally just trying to make GNOME work great on Ubuntu
[14:07] <Laney> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/DeveloperApplication
[14:07] <Laney> anyone got a question to start us off?
[14:09] <ScottK> darkxst: Have you been following Bug 1153224 and do you have an opinion on it?
[14:09] <Laney> darkxst: so - a lot of the GNOME remix work is done in the team's PPAs. Do you have any plans / ideas about how to do more of it in the archive? (ah, answer ScottK first)
[14:11] <darkxst> ScottK, yes I think that will actually help us, but probably there will be some fall out with systemd checks getting confused
[14:11] <darkxst> Generally consolekit support is entirely untested right now
[14:11] <ScottK> If I read the bug right, you guys prety much NEED it?
[14:15] <darkxst> ScottK, yes, however I don't think ConsoleKit has actually been dropped yet
[14:15] <ScottK> No.  We're discussing it.
[14:15] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:16] <darkxst> ScottK, I meant from the gnome side
[14:16] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.
[14:16] <Laney> I don't understand that dropping CK is a necessary part of the logind work
[14:16] <jbicha> darkxst: do we need to move to logind for 13.04 or can that wait until 13.10?
[14:17] <Laney> let's keep this on topic though
[14:18] <Laney> excuse me for one minute - wind has just knocked a load of stuff over ...
[14:18] <stgraber> Laney: you can technically run both (I'm doing that here), however you get into trouble if your session is registered only in CK and the rest of the desktop uses the logind API. That's why I don't think we'd release with both but would rather just ship one and make sure everything uses it.
[14:19] <darkxst> jbicha, I suspect it can wait until 13.10, but who knows what gnome will drop after freeze
[14:19]  * Laney 's bathroom has a nice layer of snow
[14:19] <tumbleweed> it's a stunning warm, sunny day here :P
[14:20] <Laney> stgraber: you're saying that "logind and ConsoleKit work fine side by side" is inaccurate?
[14:20]  * ogra_ sends some grumbling tumbleweed's way 
[14:20] <Laney> darkxst: you can answer my previous question now :)
[14:20] <bdrung> we have snow _outside_
[14:20] <Laney> we'll move that other conversation to #-devel ...
[14:20] <ogra_> same here
[14:21] <darkxst> Laney, that is kinda of hard, we already push as much as we can straight to the ubuntu archive, but the split in versions means much is stuck in the ppa
[14:21] <ogra_> we had a temp. drop of 15 deg, C
[14:21] <ogra_> over two days
[14:22] <ScottK> darkxst: What split in versions (for those of us not familiar)?
[14:22] <ogra_> (oops, sorry, missed whch channel i'm in)
[14:23] <darkxst> Ok so Ubuntu sticking mostly with gnome 3.6 for Raring
[14:23] <Laney> Do you think the current situation with the level of patching Ubuntu has in the system components (gsd/gcc/other) is sustainable? Or will we see forks? Would that be good or bad from a GNOME remix POV?
[14:23] <tumbleweed> ScottK: I'm assuming the latest GNOME vs what the ubuntu-desktop team want?
[14:23] <darkxst> and the ppa packaging is mostly gnome 3.8
[14:24] <darkxst> Laney, the level of patching is insane
[14:24] <darkxst> I can't see how that is sustainable in the long run
[14:25] <barry> darkxst: that might be a good topic for the next vUDS
[14:25] <bdrung> do you think that getting the amount of patches down to a maintainable amount?
[14:25] <darkxst> I think to some extent forks would help, but also perhaps more effort to upstream patches
[14:26] <bdrung> darkxst: you mentioned in your application that it takes too long to get patches reviewed. have you used the sponsoring queue? have you ping the patch pilots?
[14:28] <darkxst> bdrung, yeh I ping the patch pilots, its more the SRU's etc that take forever
[14:28] <tumbleweed> yeah, SRU review seems quite backlogged atm
[14:28] <bdrung> darkxst: there are many steps in the SRU process. which steps took forever?
[14:28]  * Laney nods
[14:28] <bdrung> the waiting to get approved in -proposed?
[14:29] <tumbleweed> yup
[14:29] <darkxst> bdrung, yeh
[14:29] <bdrung> that should be fixed.
[14:30] <Laney> darkxst: I'd appreciate seeing you more in #ubuntu-desktop btw - with some direct contributions you could get desktop team membership like jbicha did
[14:30] <bdrung> darkxst: my next question is: do you collaborate with Debian?
[14:30] <Laney> s/some/some more/ - not minimising the work you already did :P
[14:31] <darkxst> bdrung, not really so far, mostly just upstream gnome
[14:31]  * Laney is ready to vote once bdrung is done
[14:32]  * stgraber too
[14:32] <bdrung> darkxst: i think that it would make sense to collaborate with Debian to not duplicate packaging work.
[14:32] <bdrung> Laney: i am done.
[14:32] <Laney> right
[14:32] <darkxst> bdrung, yes, I agree, however they are well behind in gnome packages for the most part
[14:33] <Laney> #vote Should Tim Lunn (darkxst) become an Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Tim Lunn (darkxst) become an Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:33] <Laney> +1
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[14:33] <ScottK> +1
[14:33] <bdrung> +1
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[14:33] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:33] <barry> +1
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:33] <stgraber> +1
[14:33] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[14:33] <Laney> #endvote
[14:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Tim Lunn (darkxst) become an Ubuntu Contributing Developer?
[14:33] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[14:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:33] <Laney> darkxst: welcome \o/
[14:33] <bdrung> darkxst: debian experimental would be currently a good target.
[14:34] <bdrung> congrats, darkxst
[14:34] <Laney> They're doing 3.7.x in experimental ATM
[14:34] <darkxst> Thanks!
[14:34] <Laney> but spend your time however you see it being most profitable
[14:34] <Laney> #topic Chair for next meeting
[14:34]  * tumbleweed looks forward to Ubuntu GNOME 's first official release
[14:34] <Laney> that's stgraber!
[14:34] <Laney> #topic AOB
[14:34] <Laney> ?
[14:34] <tumbleweed> DST? barry was saying something about US having DST change
[14:34]  * barry sends his apologies for 25-march meeting
[14:35] <Laney> oh, yes, I'll be on holiday in 2 weeks
[14:35] <tumbleweed> \o/
[14:35] <barry> tumbleweed: right, us went into dst this past weekend, i think eu goes into dst on 31-march
[14:35] <Laney> yeah
[14:35] <Laney> what's the problem?
[14:35] <bdrung> there is no - just that the local time of the meeting will shift by one hour
[14:36] <barry> only that there may be some confusion about start time until the tz shuffle quiets down.  i don't personally mind that the meeting is 1 hour later for me now
[14:36] <ScottK> It doesn't matter either way for me either.
[14:37] <stgraber> I'm perfectly happy with the current meeting time personally, 10am is much better than 9am for me :)
[14:37] <Laney> heh
[14:37] <Laney> For some reason this calculation always breaks my brain
[14:37]  * bdrung prefers the time shift
[14:37] <Laney> It becomes an hour later after this change, right?
[14:38] <barry> i can't complain about 10am rather than 9am either :)
[14:38] <bdrung> Laney: i can do the dmb-ping before the meeting if that will help you
[14:38] <bdrung> Laney: yes
[14:38] <Laney> so for me 1400 -> 1500, 1900 -> 2000
[14:38] <bdrung> yes
[14:38] <Laney> righto
[14:38] <Laney> anyway, if that's it
[14:38] <Laney> #endmeeting
[14:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 11 14:38:49 2013 UTC.
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[14:38] <barry> Laney: well, it's all relative.  i think we're saying we'll keep 1400utc and 1900utc, and just let you adjust your local start time based on dst
[14:38] <Laney> yeah
[14:39] <barry> cool. and thanks for running today's meeting!
[18:16] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:17] <mdeslaur> o/
[18:17] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:17]  * sbeattie waves
[18:17] <tyhicks> hello
[18:17] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:17] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:17] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 11 18:17:19 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:17] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:17] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:17] <jdstrand> UDS was last week. We should now have our blueprints in order with what we want to work on for March all in place. Thanks for all your hard work on this!
[18:17] <jdstrand> Thanks to Luke Faraone (lfaraone) who provided debdiffs for lucid for openafs (LP: #1145560). Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job!
[18:18] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:18] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:18] <jdstrand> this is a short week for me-- I'll be off friday
[18:18] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place
[18:18] <jdstrand> I'm working on chromium-browser and thunderbird testing
[18:19] <jdstrand> I've also got 2 embargoed items
[18:19] <ScottK> jdstrand: BTW, the openafs SRU is released now, so there's no concern about what the security update should be based on.
[18:19] <jdstrand> and patch piloting (should be finished soon)
[18:19] <jdstrand> ScottK: ack, thanks :)
[18:20] <jdstrand> sarnold is on community this week, so I'll pass that along
[18:20] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:20] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[18:21] <mdeslaur> the nist website is down at the moment, so I can't pull fresh CVE info....I'll try again tomorrow and will work around it if their problem persists
[18:21] <mdeslaur> I'm working on php5 and apache2 updates
[18:21] <mdeslaur> I also have an embargoed issue i'm working on
[18:21] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:21] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:22] <sbeattie> I'm dedicated again to apparmor stuff this week.
[18:23] <sbeattie> I'll be continuing the work on the display manager prototype, and the work items related to that.
[18:23] <sbeattie> And that's pretty much it for me.
[18:23] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up.
[18:23] <tyhicks> I'll be working on the following work items:
[18:23] <tyhicks> [tyhicks] library label permission query api (high) (2): INPROGRESS
[18:23] <tyhicks> [tyhicks] dbus daemon, use library label permission query api (high) (1): TODO
[18:23] <tyhicks> [tyhicks] dbus daemon, use aa_getpeercon - dbus (high) (1): TODO
[18:24] <tyhicks> I'll also need to tend to some eCryptfs maintenance work
[18:24] <tyhicks> There's renewed interest in an old patch that improves performance on newer hardware (mainly with SSDs and AES-NI support)
[18:24] <tyhicks> cking has nicely done some indepth benchmarking and I'll need to give the patch one more review
[18:25] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:25] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:26] <jjohansen> so I am working on apparmor as well this week
[18:26] <jjohansen> I have some more work on socket labeling and also on fixing stacking issues when the stack is split across a namespace
[18:27] <jjohansen> and I will probably drop another present or 10 for sarnold to look at
[18:27] <jjohansen> thats it, sarnold your up
[18:28] <sarnold> I'm starting this week with the logind MIR; pitti decided to ask for a review of a newer package over the weekend rather than the version in raring, so I'll wind up taking longer than usual for this MIR as I'm duplicating some work already done...
[18:28] <sarnold> after the MIR is done I'm liable to work on objectives this week, perhaps finally giving juju the time it deserves :)
[18:29] <sarnold> I also understand jjohansen has a present for me! Woot. :)
[18:29] <sarnold> jdstrand: back to you
[18:30] <jdstrand> sarnold: from earlier in the meeting-- since you're on community, if the updated openafs debdiffs come in this week, apparently the version in -proposed has been accepted into updates (you'll see discussion of that in the bug)
[18:30] <sarnold> jdstrand: thanks for the heads-up :)
[18:31] <jdstrand> mp
[18:31] <jdstrand> np even
[18:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:31] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:31] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libjboss-cache2-java.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tinyproxy.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-parser.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyfribidi.html
[18:31] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/isync.html
[18:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:32] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:38] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 11 18:38:13 2013 UTC.
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[18:38] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:38] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[18:38] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:38] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:38] <jdstrand> sure thing :)
[21:46] <dark01_> hello every budy