[03:28] <robert_ancell> What is the review process for mir? If one person and jenkins have OK'd code does the reviewer set the MP to approved or do you leave that for the proposer?
[03:33] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ^?
[03:41] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I believe the reviewer can set that, but I don't know if it's documented
[03:41] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what have people been doing?
[03:42] <robert_ancell> also, is one human review sufficient (as long as they are confident in it)
[03:42] <RAOF> Again, I think so.
[03:43] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, reviewers have been setting it to approved.
[03:43] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll do that then
[15:44] <Leyland> Are there example or demo clients that show the use of input?
[15:54] <Leyland> I am able to build and run the demo_client_accelerated on X, using my wrapper libraries that map mir and EGL calls to X and glx, but I don't have anything to see how input works.
[16:20] <alan_g> Leyland: not yet. input is a work-in-progress
[16:21] <Leyland> Thanks! :)
[16:42] <Ranomier_> Hey there i used ubuntu for a long time because i was new in linux now im using gentoo/archlinux, because i want go deeper. Anyway, is there a differenz between mir and wayland?
[16:43] <Ranomier_> *difference xD
[16:43] <FunnyLookinHat> Ranomier_, yes.  :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> (It's in the topic)
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> An even breakdown by RAOF of the design differences specific to Wayland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113883146362955330174/posts/PXc93m8nKwk
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> *even better breakdown
[16:46] <Ranomier_> mmmh and why it where developed bihind closed doors?
[16:47] <Ranomier_> why u guys said 5 or 6 months ago hey that thing in wayland is not good for us, we thinking about mir ...
[16:47] <Leyland> Too many chefs spoil the broth?
[16:49] <Ranomier_> No thats not the point, im not talking about that the source code was behind close doors, im talking about the idea and the problems u have with wayland ...
[16:50] <Leyland> I'm just asking if that was the reason, I don't know myself
[16:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Ranomier_, there's plenty of public discussion on that in the various social networks ( primarily in the comments of the post I linked ) - afaik this is a place for technical discussion, not philosophic arguments :)
[16:51] <Ranomier_> im not at g+ and fb ... and now?
[16:52] <Ranomier_> Sry but for this single point a want a answer, why u not just saying something?
[16:53] <Ranomier_> why u develop 6 months and no one knows it ... everyone thought u using wayland. My company too.
[16:54] <arti> so, G+ post say basicaly two things that wayland lacked 6 month ago: 1) no input stack (then write one,  less work then dooing everyhing from start) 2) server-side buffers (pach it and send upstream, less work then dooing everything from start)
[16:54] <arti> gui toolkit's would be needed to rewrite anyway but just not qt and gtk have to support 3 backends(x11, wayland, mir) instead of two (x11, wayland) whitch means more work
[16:56] <Ranomier_> yeah thats technical reasons and good reasons, but how about saying something 6 months ago?
[16:57] <arti> yes, not talking with developers is the worst part
[16:57] <Ranomier_> sry for my bad english, my pasive vocabulary is good, but active ...
[16:58] <arti> mine isn't better either but everything sould be readable
[16:59] <Ranomier_> ubuntu is for people ... i missunderstand this sentence ... it is not for all people - it is for the users majority. And u think they dump. U dont care about the developers that are users too
[17:01] <Ranomier_> our company thinked and tested code with wayland and ubuntu, but now ...
[17:01] <Ranomier_> next time just say something!
[17:02] <Leyland> Ranomier, out of curiousity what project are you working on that uses Wayland?
[17:02] <Ranomier_> iptv´s for hospitals
[17:03] <Ranomier_> they are touchsreen
[17:04] <Ranomier_> just say something, NOW! Sry but im a little angry
[17:06] <Leyland> I'm not sure Wayland is dead from Mir, especially if they both can leverage the same universal EGL backend.
[17:09] <Ranomier_> http://xkcd.com/927/ !
[17:11] <arti> i hope that it doesn't get that bad but i gues it already is that bad
[17:11] <arti> x11, wayland, mir, directfb
[17:13] <Leyland> Ha, I don't think it's that bad, I created a thin wrapper of some EGL functions over GLX and I was surprised by the symmetry. In fact the last project I worked own was in essense faking OpenGL on 2d blitting hardware
[17:16] <Ranomier_> "this is a place for technical discussion, not philosophic arguments" it is not philosophic it is a company decision!!!
[17:17] <Leyland> I think we got the wrong impression with what you initially said.
[17:20] <Ranomier_> yeah and now please tell me why u not said something in the past, said that aspects of the wayland project is not what u need....
[17:21] <vibhav> ...
[17:21] <vibhav> This channel is for technical discussion regarding Mir
[17:22] <FunnyLookinHat> vibhav, +1  :)
[17:22] <Ranomier_> ok then i join #ubuntu-mir-company-decisions and then im alone ... why u cant tell me in short words here why not.
[17:23] <vibhav> Sure
[17:23] <FunnyLookinHat> vibhav, Are you https://plus.google.com/u/0/107393039276001104013/posts ?  If so I'm https://plus.google.com/u/0/107253373337628904473/posts - nice to meet you  in IRC  :)
[17:24]  * vibhav hugs FunnyLookinHat 
[17:24] <vibhav> \o/
[17:24] <FunnyLookinHat> 0/
[17:28] <Ranomier_> ok where i can post or write something, to get the imformation about ur silence 6 months ago.
[17:28] <Ranomier_> ?
[17:29] <Ranomier_> have i to register at g+ to get an answer?
[17:33] <vibhav> Ran
[17:33] <vibhav> Ranomier_: sorry, but can you rephrase what you said?
[17:36] <Ranomier_> ok, i want to now why canonical said they are using wayland then develop mir behind closed doors wothout saying something? And other comanys think they can develop and test code for wayland with ubuntu.
[17:36] <arti> he want's to know why didn't canonical contact wayland devolopers about their shortcoming before starting Mir
[17:36] <Ranomier_> no not only the wayland developer
[17:36] <arti> well everyone
[17:38] <arti> why didn't they tell everyone about mir from the start
[17:47] <Ranomier_> now i and we rephrase our answer ... and now?
[17:51] <Ranomier_> Ihr seid beton köpfe, genau wie siemens enterprise. U are concrete heads, just like siemens enterprise.
[17:54] <Ranomier_> ok i have no time for that my girlfriend is waiting for me at home, i have to go bye for now but i coming again, day for day^^
[17:56] <Ranomier_> im reading the news im waiting for ur answer. bye
[20:23] <racarr> Hmm. Today does not seem to be the day where I have a mystical epiphany on the mysterious prepare-for-inprocess-egl jenkins failure
[20:23] <racarr> :(
[20:39] <thechef> Is Mir a fake-project designed to emulate competition to wayland developers so the finally implement binary driver support?
[20:40] <R__> my understanding is that binary drivers that work for Mir will also work for Wayland
[20:40] <R__> or at least that's what we're being fed right now ;p