| === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | G4rd3nH0 | 07:38 |
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| redtape-renegade | TheOpenSourcere1, Morning.. Hows the maping project going that you blogged about last month (pos. Jan.) ?? | 07:58 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | redtape-renegade: Morning. It's out and running :-) http://forge.vtiger.com/projects/geotools/ | 07:59 |
| redtape-renegade | opening .. glad to see it shine .. | 07:59 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | Have fixed a few bugs - made a major improvement in the way it all works and have received 4 translations. | 08:00 |
| Knightwise | TheOpenSourcere1: did you by any chance blurt out a password there ? | 08:04 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | nope. not me. | 08:04 |
| Knightwise | G4rd3nH0 | 08:04 |
| Knightwise | < TheOpenSourcerer> G4rd3nH0 | 08:05 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | Hmm - odd. | 08:05 |
| ali1234 | TheOpenSourcere1: from your same IP too | 08:16 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | Gosh - really. Must have been my twin brother then | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | a likely story | 08:17 |
| === directhe` is now known as directhex | ||
| ali1234 | wow, i just found 3 BTC on an exchange account i totally forgot about | 08:47 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | How do I disable some of the stupid & really annoying "automatically make my window full height even though I don't want it to be" stuff in Unity? | 08:51 |
| ali1234 | can you be more specific? | 08:54 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | no | 08:54 |
| ali1234 | do you mean grid plugin? | 08:54 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | do i? | 08:54 |
| ali1234 | i don't know | 08:54 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | neither do i | 08:54 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | I just know that its bloody annoying when I drag a window around and all of a sudden it goes full height | 08:55 |
| ali1234 | on half the screen? | 08:56 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | This is more like at the top | 08:56 |
| ali1234 | sounds like grid plugin | 08:56 |
| popey | yeah, it is | 08:56 |
| jacobw | Morning | 08:56 |
| popey | just disable it in ccsm | 08:56 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | Ah ccsm. | 08:56 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | and it is called what? | 08:56 |
| ali1234 | ...grid plugin | 08:56 |
| popey | just search for grid in the top left of ccsm | 08:57 |
| ali1234 | under window management | 08:57 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | Ta. | 08:57 |
| ali1234 | i just realised i'm not even using compiz right now | 08:57 |
| ali1234 | "extended KDE testing" | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | it's been a couple of days and i haven't ragequit yet, so it is clearly improving | 08:58 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | hoorah - thanks that's worked. | 08:58 |
| redtape-renegade | Did anyone see if the 2 part tv thingy called Shetland was any good last night ? Is it wort turning in tonight @ 9pm ? | 09:09 |
| directhex | is it about ponies? | 09:13 |
| redtape-renegade | directhex, I think it's about some investigation by a bobby in Shetland .. something about 'remains' .. | 09:14 |
| directhex | so not an hour long version of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekr05T9Iaio ? | 09:14 |
| directhex | because i'd watch that | 09:14 |
| redtape-renegade | opening.. | 09:15 |
| redtape-renegade | directhex, Haha .. that's a proper Morn. Meme to laugh at .. Ghehe. | 09:18 |
| redtape-renegade | Apparently to cold wind in the air, is a direct draft from Siberia by all acounts. | 09:20 |
| === michelle is now known as michelle_ | ||
| JamesTait | Happy Moshoeshoe Day, everyone! :-D | 09:49 |
| mungbean | ali1234: have you been able to prettify kde? screenshot? | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | mungbean: not really, no, but it is reasonable | 10:03 |
| ali1234 | i'm not using any KDE applications for a start, that really helps | 10:04 |
| mungbean | even the systray is ugly though | 10:07 |
| popey | but amarok is the best media player there is! | 10:07 |
| mungbean | 1.4 was popey :D | 10:07 |
| popey | lies | 10:07 |
| popey | winamp was | 10:07 |
| mungbean | clementine is now the best | 10:07 |
| popey | before AOL took over | 10:07 |
| ali1234 | http://imagebin.org/249829 | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | i removed the system tray entirely | 10:08 |
| mgdm | I did like how I could make a recent Winamp look somewhat like it did in 2000 | 10:08 |
| mgdm | Oh, and now I've been reminded of XMMS | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | gave up trying to fix it | 10:08 |
| popey | \o/ crud | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | i don't actually miss the systray at all, weirdly enough | 10:09 |
| mungbean | what are you using instead? | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | nothing | 10:09 |
| Laney | gruh | 10:09 |
| Laney | the snow is really coming down now | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | turns out i don't actually need to look at network manager icon all the time | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | oh wow so it is | 10:09 |
| diplo | Looks nice ali1234 | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | KDE doesn't understand the idea of monochrome icons | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | ONE colour + transparent pixels | 10:11 |
| mungbean | ali1234: whats that along the bottom though? i still see the cashew | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | bottom left: shortcut icons for common used apps so i never have to suffer the pain of KDE's start menu | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | then task bar | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | then the desktop pager | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | then the clock | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | and the cashew... cannot ever be removed | 10:13 |
| mungbean | dolphin still looks ugly and incongruous | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | lol now it's sunny... and snowing at the same time | 10:13 |
| mungbean | "stealth cashew?" | 10:13 |
| mungbean | http://askubuntu.com/questions/24867/how-do-i-remove-the-kde-4-plasma-tool-box-cashew-icon-from-the-desktop | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | clicking that opens the panel config | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | unless you mean the thing in top right | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | i don't even know what that is supposed to do | 10:14 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:14 |
| mungbean | was an avid kde user , they lost me when they ripped out the guts of every app | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | and yeah dolphin looks bad because there are no good themes that work with gtk and qt | 10:15 |
| mungbean | too much habit of ripping everything up and starting again, never finishing | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | if you want KDE and gtk to match you have to use oxygen... and that just makes everything look equally awful | 10:15 |
| diplo | Anyone use Cisco Unified Commication Manager in here ? | 10:16 |
| diplo | CUCM | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | plasma theme is called "vintage" btw | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | and window decorations are called "chrome" - i think it's a copy of google chrome? | 10:17 |
| popey | i thought all the bits around the window were called chrome | 10:17 |
| popey | they've certainly been called chrome in firefox for years | 10:18 |
| popey | (unless my sarcasm detector is broken) | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | no the theme | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Chrome+Grayscale+Aurorae?content=119168 | 10:21 |
| redtape-renegade | Hurray for the Commonwealth charter http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/queen-to-sign-new-charter-backing-equal-rights-for-gay-people-across-commonwealth-8528587.html :: Shout out to all those manscaping today !! | 10:21 |
| mungbean | redtape-renegade: dude. how offtopic can you get? | 10:21 |
| ali1234 | and technically chrome in firefox sense means the address bar and menus and stuff | 10:21 |
| redtape-renegade | sorry wrong channel. sorry. | 10:21 |
| ali1234 | everything inside the window that isn't the html page | 10:22 |
| Laney | we have a topic? | 10:23 |
| popey | < mungbean> i hear the pope is resigning | 10:25 |
| popey | ahem ☺ | 10:25 |
| mungbean | well he does frequent this channel | 10:26 |
| jpds | popey: "amen"? | 10:28 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | ty for the rt popey | 10:30 |
| popey | np | 10:31 |
| TheOpenSourcere1 | ty for the rt czajkowski (What happened to the paddies on Saturday then? Thought you had that one in the bag?) | 10:42 |
| czajkowski | me too :( | 10:49 |
| brobostigon | douglas adam's birthday, :), all hail genius. | 10:51 |
| redtape-renegade | ACTION: Topic needs to be changed, I suggest 'the convergence' strategy as a possible lay-topic to get people talking. | 11:07 |
| redtape-renegade | popey: just sayin' | 11:07 |
| andrewebdev | I wish there was Omnigraffe level of software on Linux :( | 11:09 |
| andrewebdev | I'm finding myself jumping between multiple different apps in an attempt to build interactive wireframes | 11:10 |
| mungbean | got my first pack of sugru - the ultimate modders tool \o/ | 11:10 |
| redtape-renegade | AMD heatsink CPU bracket hasn't arrived today [on top postal price avail./ bought on Friday 'noon] .. Amazon cost me poss. £900 for that. Guriers 'these sellers' are to me. | 11:11 |
| * redtape-renegade heads for the bus-stop for coffee Rep. solace | 11:14 | |
| === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AFK | ||
| === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting TBA | ubuntu | | ||
| popey | !away | 11:14 |
| lubotu3 | Please do not use noisy away messages and nicks in Ubuntu channels. It is annoying and unnecessary. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently. See also «/msg lubotu3 Guidelines» | 11:14 |
| popey | ☺ | 11:14 |
| redtape-AFK | oh thanx. | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:17 |
| kvarley | What do you think of the piston specs? | 11:24 |
| kvarley | http://rootgamer.com/news/xi3-accepting-preorders-steampiston | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | it's not something i would buy | 11:26 |
| ali1234 | hopefully it encourages ATI to improve their drivers? | 11:26 |
| kvarley | ali1234: Seems expensive | 11:28 |
| directhex | the piston is not being shipped by valve. don't take its price as meaning anything. there is no economy of scale in xi3's component pricing. | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah $1000 is too much for a games console | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | though for a real HTCP, maybe it's not bad | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | *HTPC | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | i don't really like minipcs though. they tend to melt | 11:31 |
| ali1234 | and then there's zero chance to repair them because none standard parts | 11:31 |
| ali1234 | so yeah, i would not buy this | 11:31 |
| kvarley | Any ideas how I can tell what thickness 2.5" drive I need to buy for a laptop without opening the laptop? | 11:32 |
| kvarley | Acer Aspire 5920 | 11:32 |
| kvarley | Old thing, quite thick so I think it'll just be the standard 2.5" size and not the 7mm thick one | 11:32 |
| directhex | kvarley, it's *probably* 9.5mm, but no, no way to tell | 11:32 |
| directhex | unless you pull the specs on the factory-shipped drive | 11:32 |
| kvarley | Ah, the laptop is on Crucial | 11:33 |
| kvarley | So I'll just use their search tool :) | 11:33 |
| kvarley | Thanks directhex | 11:33 |
| directhex | the piston cpu is a A10-4600M | 11:33 |
| Laney | Someone who knows about DIY look at these pictures and tell me if you think it looks like damp to you please: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/damp/ | 11:33 |
| Laney | The dark/discoloured patches feel wet and those weird drips started appearing in the last couple of days | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | condensation or a leak | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | also the streaks on the wall | 11:34 |
| kvarley | directhex: Should be pretty easy to keep cool then | 11:34 |
| popey | kvarley: I'd just run "smartctl" and get the model number of the drive | 11:35 |
| directhex | 35W component | 11:35 |
| directhex | looks like $100 a processor in bulk. give or take. | 11:36 |
| kvarley | popey: Thanks | 11:36 |
| kvarley | directhex: I've seen the model up from that chip running fanless | 11:36 |
| kvarley | Much higher TDP | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | Laney: is that in multiple rooms? | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | you seem to have a lot of condensation on your windows too | 11:37 |
| kvarley | popey: That is a LOT of info about one drive 0.o | 11:38 |
| kvarley | Any ideas where I can find out how much RAM a laptop can take? I can't see any mention of it in the manual | 11:43 |
| popey | what cpu is it? | 11:44 |
| kvarley | One sec | 11:45 |
| kvarley | popey: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz | 11:45 |
| kvarley | Acer Aspire 5920 | 11:45 |
| popey | http://ark.intel.com/products/29760/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T7300-4M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB | 11:45 |
| popey | hmm | 11:45 |
| popey | how many slots does it have? | 11:46 |
| mgdm | kvarley: I quite often just use crucial.com/uk for that | 11:46 |
| popey | sudo dmidecode | 11:46 |
| mgdm | whether or not I buy the RAM there | 11:46 |
| AlanBell | Laney: it isn't rising damp (that comes up) it is a leaky roof or gutter | 11:46 |
| kvarley | popey: 2 slots | 11:46 |
| popey | i do usually too, but had an instance where crucial was wrong | 11:46 |
| AlanBell | Laney: or pipe | 11:46 |
| kvarley | mgdm: It recommends 2x 2GB sticks | 11:46 |
| Laney | AlanBell: yeah I suspected as much | 11:47 |
| Laney | both of those rooms are on the same side and there's no problem like that on the other | 11:47 |
| kvarley | popey: Some forum threads say you can but it will only address 6.75 GB of it | 11:48 |
| kvarley | popey: That you can put 2x 4GB sticks in | 11:48 |
| kvarley | popey: Chipset spec says 4GB is the max memory size supported | 11:48 |
| kvarley | I'll just go with 4GB | 11:50 |
| kvarley | They're getting an SSD and twice the RAM so it's not a bad deal | 11:50 |
| popey | should fly | 11:52 |
| popey | what's it running? | 11:52 |
| czajkowski | xnox: enjoy saturday ? | 11:55 |
| kvarley | popey: xubuntu | 11:56 |
| popey | nice | 11:56 |
| kvarley | popey: It's my Dad's laptop, he's used to the GNOME2 layout still otherwise he'd be on Unity :) | 11:57 |
| popey | xubuntu should fly on that | 11:57 |
| xnox | czajkowski: i should have had a better prepared talk, as it seems like there was demand even for the simple things I do day-to-day. | 11:57 |
| xnox | czajkowski: more coca-cola and more sprite needed. | 11:57 |
| kvarley | popey: Hopefully, this is a follow up to my questions the other day about the faulty partition on a hard drive. | 11:57 |
| czajkowski | xnox: working on sorting out a date for the next one | 11:57 |
| xnox | czajkowski: house mates ate all sandwiches without leaving a single one for me. | 11:58 |
| xnox | czajkowski: overall it was good. | 11:58 |
| czajkowski | xnox: aye that was the only complaint I got the lack of drink availability lke tea/coffee but we did have water and there was a tesco around the corner. We did have loads of foods :) | 11:58 |
| xnox | czajkowski: do you need any donations for budget / to run the event? | 11:58 |
| czajkowski | having 9 talks that just appeared on the day ws amazing | 11:58 |
| czajkowski | xnox: we had Basho sponsor the foods this time | 11:58 |
| czajkowski | I kinda dont want to get into the area of accepting donations as then it actually becomes more work with banks and declaring monies | 11:59 |
| czajkowski | we had 32 people there which was good for the first ever event | 11:59 |
| xnox | czajkowski: did i miss a Riak talk then? | 11:59 |
| * xnox wants to learn more about riak | 12:00 | |
| czajkowski | nope thye just kindly sponsored but no talk | 12:00 |
| czajkowski | hopefully the next time | 12:00 |
| czajkowski | xnox: thanks for coming though :) | 12:03 |
| * xnox ponders to take a short university course at City University London | 12:04 | |
| czajkowski | on ? | 12:05 |
| xnox | http://www.city.ac.uk/courses/short-courses/object-oriented-programming-using-c.html | 12:06 |
| xnox | C++ | 12:06 |
| czajkowski | oh god | 12:06 |
| czajkowski | I'm having flash backs to that module | 12:06 |
| xnox | Maybe you can be my mentor \o/ | 12:07 |
| kvarley | Does /proc/meminfo tell you how much RAM is in each slot? | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | used to have to do OO C++ in 2nd year and then deal with multi choice negative marking | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | xnox: eh no | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | I loath it | 12:07 |
| xnox | Well, in uni I did crazy concurrency programming with VHDL, Verilog and programming FPGAs, as well as OS-level programming in C for a DOS like chip. But none of this crazy OO in C++. | 12:08 |
| mgdm | I'd probably rather the VHDL etc | 12:09 |
| mgdm | C++ is hideous | 12:09 |
| davmor2 | xnox: the men in white coats are aware of your location if you could just stay there, they have one of those nice jackets that fastens at the back | 12:10 |
| * xnox *jackets* \o/ | 12:10 | |
| kvarley | How can I download a file via terminal when there isn't a direct link to the file? For example I'm presented with example.com/some/path/file/-/view/28485727/ | 12:38 |
| kvarley | Turns out wget managed it with the -O flag | 12:40 |
| amayer | kvarley: i was going to say wget has an option for follow links or something like that | 12:57 |
| kvarley | Reliable, secure, IMAP email server package for Ubuntu Server 12.04 ? | 13:24 |
| mgdm | Dovecot | 13:24 |
| directhex | kvarley, dovecot? | 13:24 |
| kvarley | mgdm directhex: Easy to configure? Web UI? | 13:24 |
| mgdm | No web UI, but it's pretty simple to set up | 13:25 |
| kvarley | mgdm: Ok, ty :) | 13:25 |
| kvarley | Hurray for the help.ubuntu.com pages | 13:25 |
| directhex | generally the web ui for imap servers is a separate thing | 13:25 |
| directhex | there are many choices | 13:25 |
| directhex | we just rolled out sogo | 13:26 |
| kvarley | directhex: Ok, thanks I'll check it out | 13:26 |
| Azelphur | I think when health and safety inspectors come to visit me on Wednesday they are gonna have a field day, https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo537hl9dvqcsg7/2013-03-11%2013.30.13.mp4 xD | 13:39 |
| czajkowski | jelmer: \o/ | 13:46 |
| directhex | apparently Azelphur lives in post-zombie-apocalypse england | 13:46 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 13:46 |
| directhex | i suggest you get a cricket bat ASAP | 13:47 |
| Azelphur | XD | 13:47 |
| directhex | braaaaaaaains | 13:47 |
| Azelphur | It's amusing because the landlord knows I'm taking legal action and getting inspectors round | 13:47 |
| Azelphur | and he still leaves it :D | 13:47 |
| kvarley | Easiest way to make all future directories and files within /srv/* belong to the www-data group? | 13:49 |
| SuperMatt | you could set chmod g+s (I think) | 13:50 |
| directhex | yep | 13:50 |
| kvarley | What does g+s do? | 13:50 |
| directhex | sticky bit | 13:51 |
| directhex | as in "this permission persists to all children" | 13:51 |
| kvarley | g = ? s = ? | 13:51 |
| directhex | g for group | 13:51 |
| SuperMatt | it means that anything created under that directory keeps the same group | 13:51 |
| directhex | s for sticky | 13:51 |
| kvarley | Ok | 13:51 |
| kvarley | Is it recursive? | 13:51 |
| directhex | it's not retroactive. | 13:51 |
| SuperMatt | *should* be | 13:51 |
| SuperMatt | and what directhex said | 13:51 |
| directhex | i.e. you need to do it recursively once, and it'll work for future file/folder creation by itself | 13:52 |
| kvarley | So # "chown -R username:www-data . && chmod g+s www-data ." will do/ | 13:52 |
| kvarley | *? | 13:52 |
| mungbean | Azelphur: did you move out of your parents? | 13:53 |
| Azelphur | mungbean: yea, been on my own for 4 months now | 13:53 |
| Azelphur | admittedly my first choice of landlord was...not a good one | 13:53 |
| mungbean | and you have junkie zombies in your garden? | 13:53 |
| Azelphur | haha | 13:54 |
| mungbean | zombies need beds too | 13:54 |
| SuperMatt | kvarley: not quite | 13:54 |
| Azelphur | true :P | 13:54 |
| SuperMatt | kvarley: you'll need to recurse the +s too | 13:54 |
| mungbean | Azelphur: you working? | 13:54 |
| SuperMatt | otherwise if you create something under a dir that already exists, it won't pick up the permissions | 13:54 |
| Azelphur | not yet, but probably soon | 13:54 |
| mungbean | you could do a deal with teh landlord that you will clear the garbage for a price | 13:54 |
| Azelphur | mungbean: problem is it's not just the garbage, there's a long list of around 30 things | 13:55 |
| mungbean | looks nasty | 13:55 |
| Azelphur | is nasty \o/ | 13:55 |
| directhex | kvarley, chmod -R | 13:55 |
| directhex | er, wait | 13:55 |
| directhex | chmod -R g+s . | 13:55 |
| directhex | chmod doesn't deal in usernames or groups, just permissions | 13:56 |
| kvarley | directhex: ah ok, ty | 13:59 |
| kvarley | Done that and now it shows the right group | 13:59 |
| kvarley | But I can't write to the directory from my user account | 13:59 |
| kvarley | I added myself to the www-data group | 13:59 |
| SuperMatt | you may need to log out of your shell and back in again | 13:59 |
| SuperMatt | group permissions are not instant | 14:00 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: I was logged in via SSH, I did that | 14:00 |
| SuperMatt | they only apply on a new log in | 14:00 |
| SuperMatt | type groups at the command line to see what group you're in | 14:00 |
| directhex | you set g+s, did you also set g+w (group write)? | 14:00 |
| dwatkins | what does "id" say? | 14:00 |
| mungbean | what's the best tool for downloading photos from a camera? | 14:00 |
| kvarley | dwatkins: that i'm in www-data | 14:00 |
| kvarley | directhex: Ah | 14:00 |
| mungbean | i.e a single purpose tool | 14:00 |
| mungbean | tried rapid photo downloader but it doesn't work | 14:00 |
| kvarley | directhex: you were right :) thanks | 14:01 |
| ahayzen | czajkowski, AlanBell, xnox and anyone else who attended hackntalk on Saturday. Thanks for creating such an enjoyable event, see you at the next one :) | 14:10 |
| xnox | ... and jelmer =) | 14:14 |
| ahayzen | :) | 14:14 |
| * Laney points a big heater outside to speed up the arrival of spring | 14:17 | |
| kvarley | Is there a service that will act kind of like dropbox and detect changes in a directory and then sync them to an external hard drive? | 14:25 |
| SuperMatt | well | 14:27 |
| SuperMatt | you could use deja-dup | 14:27 |
| SuperMatt | but that's not on a per-change basis | 14:27 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: I think I'll use that daily and also install seafile for documents only | 14:28 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: Will deja-dup check to see if a file is newer or will it just copy all regardless? | 14:28 |
| SuperMatt | rsync might be more what you want | 14:29 |
| SuperMatt | deja dup does lots of compression and stuff | 14:29 |
| kvarley | Is there a good GUI available for rsync? | 14:29 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know | 14:29 |
| kvarley | ok, ty | 14:30 |
| SuperMatt | have a look in the software center for rsync | 14:30 |
| SuperMatt | I'm seeing that Unison might be good | 14:30 |
| mgdm | kvarley: http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ ? | 14:31 |
| SuperMatt | fact is, there are loads of ways you can do this kind of thing | 14:31 |
| SuperMatt | personally, I use rsync because I just put in the commanad I want, create a cron job, and forget all about it | 14:31 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: Unison looks like what I want | 14:31 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: Hard to tell, it's not for me so I'm having trouble deciding | 14:32 |
| kvarley | Unison will be more I/O intensive than a cronjob | 14:32 |
| directhex | unison /o\ | 14:33 |
| SuperMatt | kvarley: what you should do is research deja dup, rsync, unison, and other tools, in an offline environment and see which one you feel more confortable with | 14:34 |
| kvarley | directhex: Why /0\ hehe | 14:34 |
| directhex | unison is fine as long as you don't want history, don't mind accidentally squashing changes, and don't want access from more than one distro | 14:34 |
| SuperMatt | I have wasted a lot of time in the past working hard to get one method to work, when I could have used a different tool to do it easily | 14:34 |
| directhex | the latter two are major issues for multi-user repos | 14:34 |
| kvarley | It's for my parents | 14:35 |
| diplo | rsync tbh | 14:35 |
| diplo | :) | 14:35 |
| kvarley | Ok :) | 14:35 |
| SuperMatt | learn rsync, it'll change your life | 14:35 |
| kvarley | Does rsync hash check? Or does it just copy everything? | 14:35 |
| SuperMatt | it can do whatever you want it to do ;) | 14:36 |
| SuperMatt | you can do things by time | 14:36 |
| SuperMatt | you can do things by md5sum | 14:36 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: Ok I'm sold :D | 14:36 |
| SuperMatt | you can tell it never to overwrite a file, instead putting it into a backup folder | 14:37 |
| SuperMatt | which is what I do | 14:37 |
| SuperMatt | but *LEARN* it first | 14:37 |
| kvarley | Does it log when it completes a backup? | 14:37 |
| SuperMatt | I'm not so sure about that | 14:37 |
| SuperMatt | you could probably script something to do it | 14:37 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: This grsync GUI is pretty good | 14:39 |
| SuperMatt | cool | 14:39 |
| kvarley | Shows all the CLI flags it uses too :) | 14:39 |
| SuperMatt | but I really suggest learning how the command line works | 14:40 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: OK :) | 14:40 |
| SuperMatt | because it'll make a lot of your every day tasks a lot easier | 14:40 |
| BigRedS | learn rsync? isn't that a bit like learning sendmail? | 14:45 |
| BigRedS | just learn how to do whatever it is you wanbt to do with rsync, and assume it's also able to do almost everything else | 14:45 |
| mungbean | do bricks and mortar stores like currys do price match against amazon? | 14:49 |
| zleap | dunno | 14:49 |
| Laney | doubt it | 14:50 |
| zleap | thing is amazon sell stuff through other vendoes | 14:50 |
| zleap | vendors | 14:50 |
| mungbean | want a dvd player but some compalints on amazon that its noisy | 14:50 |
| popey | john lewis do i believe | 14:51 |
| directhex | richer sounds do. | 14:51 |
| directhex | and i think john lewis | 14:51 |
| directhex | check their websites | 14:51 |
| mungbean | all a bit far away | 14:51 |
| mungbean | wanted to walk in and try | 14:51 |
| mungbean | i can walk in and then buy on amazon later i suppose | 14:52 |
| Laney | phone | 14:52 |
| mungbean | if a dvd player is hdmi only, how do i plug it into my crt telly with scart only? | 14:52 |
| directhex | you don't. | 14:52 |
| davmor2 | mungbean: most appliances in store won't be plugged in anyway | 14:53 |
| mungbean | oh | 14:53 |
| popey | but a new telly | 14:53 |
| popey | *buy | 14:53 |
| mungbean | have a new baby on thursday | 14:53 |
| directhex | the lower-end dvd players will probably do scart | 14:53 |
| mungbean | £££ -> nappies --> poo | 14:53 |
| directhex | not like video quality matters with scart, you won't be losing much by getting a bad player | 14:53 |
| mungbean | directhex: yes, the one i want is scart only but has usb in , so a bonus | 14:53 |
| mungbean | except if its noisy | 14:53 |
| mungbean | or breaks easily like my philips dvd writer | 14:54 |
| mungbean | v disappointed with that | 14:54 |
| zleap | scart is terrible sometimes, i have a rgb lead thing now much better connections | 14:55 |
| directhex | 21 pins in a connector with no real grip? that's a tough job | 14:58 |
| directhex | personally i'm glad of HDMI | 14:59 |
| mgdm | SCART is the PHP of electrical connectors | 14:59 |
| czajkowski | ahayzen: glad you enjoyed it, there will be another one in a few months | 14:59 |
| mungbean | i will probably only change telly when my crt blows up | 15:01 |
| directhex | a new TV was one of the first things we bought when my wife and i moved in together | 15:03 |
| directhex | her parents had given us an old CRT, but the remote was lost, and there was no way to get a universal remote to send the "scart now plz" signal to it | 15:03 |
| directhex | making it useless for games, and therefore for everything | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | that happened to a friend of mine | 15:04 |
| directhex | £650 we spent on a 26" samsung 1366x768 lcd | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | spent ages trying to figure out the remote codes | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | ended up putting a laptop in front of the tv and watching movies on that | 15:04 |
| mungbean | lcd tellys are quite cheap now | 15:06 |
| mungbean | but i generally have a make do and mend attitude | 15:06 |
| mungbean | and as soon as you upgrade your telly then all your SD stuff looks poor | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | cheap LCDs probably aren't as good as your CRT though, if it's a decent one | 15:07 |
| directhex | i have a spidey sense for failing technology | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | not that i consider £650 to be cheap | 15:07 |
| mungbean | yes, it's that silver panasonic/sony jobby | 15:07 |
| mungbean | thinking 300£ for a 32 inch lcd | 15:07 |
| directhex | every time i tell myself "nah, you're being paranoid, it'll be fine", it blows up within the week | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | a cheap LCD definitely will make SD content look worse, especially if it's interlaced | 15:08 |
| directhex | i should trust my gut more. it's never wrong on this stuff | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | a good one though... will make it look far better | 15:08 |
| directhex | upgraded to a new tv at xmas 2011 | 15:09 |
| directhex | previous one made it, what, 5 years? | 15:09 |
| directhex | that's a reasonable time to keep an lcd without needing to worry about backlight replacment | 15:09 |
| popey | ffs. i have called the LG repair centre twice now to pay to get my Nexus 4 repaired, "We'll call you back to take credit card details. can't take them now, data protection issue" | 15:11 |
| popey | what the actual f | 15:11 |
| popey | (they haven't called back) | 15:11 |
| directhex | popey, pathetic :/ | 15:12 |
| directhex | go go lucky goldstar! | 15:12 |
| popey | seriously not buying google hardware again | 15:12 |
| czajkowski | :/ | 15:13 |
| czajkowski | that is bad | 15:13 |
| directhex | popey, if you buy a google phone from google, imho google should be the ones providing support. if they can't manage that, they shouldn't be selling hardware | 15:13 |
| popey | its not even LG who provide the support, it's a 3rd (4th?) party | 15:14 |
| directhex | popey, does beg the question what would happen if you paid £450 for an lg optimus g, not a google nexus 4, from a support standpoint | 15:14 |
| popey | i suspect the same | 15:15 |
| directhex | indeed | 15:15 |
| popey | without the awful phone call with google up front | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | anyone want to take bets on which company has one letter in common with "intel" and is interested in wayland? | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | i can only think of 4 and it's almost certainly not 3 of them | 15:42 |
| directhex | ali1234, i suspect i can't answer that question. | 15:43 |
| mungbean | ali1234: whats the source of the riddle? | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | oh i'm certain you can't | 15:44 |
| popey | samsung? | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | that's one of the 3 i don't think it is :) | 15:45 |
| popey | heh | 15:45 |
| kvarley | Where is best to ask about SSL certificates for apache2 and a real domain? | 15:46 |
| popey | startssl are cheap i hear | 15:46 |
| kvarley | popey: startssl are free ;) | 15:46 |
| directhex | only in some cases | 15:46 |
| directhex | i've paid a couple of hundred dollars to startcom in the last week | 15:46 |
| kvarley | popey: But I have an issue where without the www works but with it doesn't | 15:46 |
| directhex | kvarley, "foobar.com" and "www.foobar.com" need different certificates, OR a single certificate specifying x509v3 alternative subject names for both | 15:49 |
| kvarley | directhex: Ok thanks | 15:51 |
| kvarley | directhex: What job do you have? You seem to know pretty much everything I ask lol | 15:51 |
| directhex | sysadmin | 15:51 |
| kvarley | directhex: Explains a lot :) | 15:53 |
| kvarley | Is example.com a FQDN or does it need the www ? | 15:53 |
| directhex | kvarley, for ssl? again, depends on what you want. | 15:54 |
| kvarley | directhex: Sorry this is for email | 15:55 |
| kvarley | Postfix specifically | 15:55 |
| kvarley | The example given is example.org so I should be ok | 15:55 |
| directhex | example.org is a fqdn in this context, assuming your mail server is the holder of the A/CNAME DNS entry for example.org, OR the MX DNS entry | 15:56 |
| directhex | typically you'd have a mail server with the MX entry, alongside a web server with the A entry | 15:56 |
| kvarley | So should I have actually put mail.mydomain.co.uk ? | 15:57 |
| directhex | which email addresses do you want to accept? | 15:58 |
| directhex | i mean, let's take an example. the dns zone file for collabora.co.uk includes | 15:58 |
| directhex | IN MX 5 mail.collabora.co.uk. | 15:58 |
| directhex | so the server mail.collabora.co.uk deals with all mail to collabora.co.uk | 15:58 |
| kvarley | I want to accept from someString@mydomain.co.uk | 15:59 |
| directhex | and in postfix config, mydomain = collabora.co.uk | 15:59 |
| mgdm | I have one certificate for mail.mgdm.net which covers SMTP, IMAP, HTTP and my Jabber server, FWIW | 15:59 |
| kvarley | Nice | 15:59 |
| kvarley | Is that a wildcard cert tho? | 15:59 |
| directhex | wildcard certs are dangerous | 15:59 |
| mgdm | Nope - just for mail.mgdm.net | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | eh, so i probably need to sign the CLA | 16:08 |
| directhex | i probably signed the CLA once, in my yoof | 16:09 |
| directhex | for adding binding generators to various canonical libs | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | i had to sign the android one the other day to send in a 1 line patch | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | it was simpler to understand | 16:11 |
| directhex | i've never signed a CLA for mono | 16:11 |
| jelmer | directhex: mono requires a CLA these days? | 16:11 |
| directhex | jelmer, nope! hence never signing one :p | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | no, i think that's the point | 16:11 |
| jelmer | directhex: hah, okay :) | 16:12 |
| directhex | jelmer, more accurately, the runtime needs copyright assignment or MIT-licensed patches, one or the other. they don't accept LGPL patches to the runtime | 16:12 |
| directhex | since they relicense the runtime as proprietary for use in we-hate-gpl environments like ios or consoles | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | that's fair enough | 16:13 |
| jelmer | directhex: ah, interesting approach (offering MIT license as alternative to contributors who don't want to sign a CLA) | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | the reason i don't like Canonical's is because it basically says "we can redistribute your code under any license we want, but you can only redistribute our code under the original license" - which is typically GPL3, at leas it is for the project i'm trying to contribute to | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | this is actually the same as android, but android is permissive t start with, so i'm not getting the short end of the stick there | 16:14 |
| directhex | android is apache2 iirc? | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | i think so, yes | 16:15 |
| directhex | microsoft's new favourite license! :p | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | oh? | 16:15 |
| jelmer | directhex: what happened to MS_PL? | 16:15 |
| directhex | jelmer, fell out of fashion. thankfully. it was a poorly written license | 16:16 |
| directhex | ali1234, most open source releases from MS these days are under apache2 | 16:16 |
| directhex | e.g. chunks of .net | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | "chunks" lol | 16:17 |
| directhex | "chunks"! | 16:17 |
| directhex | i could make a list | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | it's more amusing to me to imagine it as a bucket of random chunks of.. stuff that i'd rather not know what it is | 16:19 |
| davmor2 | Yay the epic snow has finally hit us in wolvo | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | like that stuff they throw in the sea to attract sharks :D | 16:20 |
| directhex | .net micro framework (embedded devices version of .net); asp.net mvc 1, 2, 3, 4; entity framework 6; dynamic language runtime; ironpython; ironruby; f# | 16:21 |
| directhex | probably more | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | oh, ironpython... i do like that | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | the only way to interface .net without going completely insane | 16:21 |
| directhex | the only chunk they haven't relicensed from Ms-PL is managed extensibility framework, microsoft's plugin architecture api | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | directhex: are there any 3d game engines that are BSD-style licensed and work on windows, mac, linux, and android, and are actually good? or am i just wasting my time even looking? | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | oh, and C++ | 16:28 |
| directhex | ali1234, torque3d | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | hmm i forgot that was open sourced recently wasn't it? nice one | 16:29 |
| directhex | or ogre? | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | ogre is what i'm using now | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | it's a 3d engine, but not a game engine... no sound, no input | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | sound is killing me | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | i do really like ogre for 3d though | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | but i'm lazy and i would like to actually finish this game some time before i die, so looking for something a bit more comprehensive | 16:31 |
| mungbean | http://worldofgnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-is-approved-as-an-official-flavor/ | 16:53 |
| bigcalm | Afternoon peeps | 17:12 |
| davmor2 | morning bigcalm how's life | 17:14 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: Not long picked up a poorly Hayley from her place of work. So the week is off to a good start. How are you? | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | so the current plan is to go ahead with 13.04 release as normal, right? | 17:15 |
| popey | more or less, yes | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | what's the latest that could possible change? the day before release? | 17:16 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh dear tell her I hope she gets better soon :( I'm good ta, too much to do and not enough time and all that gubbings, but on the whole I'm good. | 17:16 |
| popey | i dont think the fact that it will release will change | 17:16 |
| ali1234 | i think the most sensible option i heard so far is continue 6 monthly releases and only support them for 6 months | 17:17 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: such is our lot in life :) | 17:18 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: have you taught czajkowski all that you know yet? | 17:18 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: indeed but you'd not be happy with too little to do right :) | 17:19 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no you always hold a little back so you are always the master ;) | 17:19 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I don't think that that situation will ever happen, so I don't know how I would react | 17:19 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 17:19 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: how do you feel, having davmor2 as your master? ;) | 17:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: we had a proper head frying day last thursday, but I think czajkowski is happier for it | 17:20 |
| bigcalm | :) | 17:21 |
| Burnsworthy | No-one around? Would I be better off coming back later? | 18:29 |
| davmor2 | Burnsworthy: there are people around | 18:39 |
| popey | indeed | 18:43 |
| jacobw | !ask Burnsworthy | 18:48 |
| jacobw | !ask | 18:48 |
| lubotu3 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 18:48 |
| popey | ooh movement on your patch ali1234 ☺ | 19:06 |
| Burnsworthy | Alright - Install of 12.04 hangs after initial boot. power button shows last process was a battery check. Can access root terminal with ctrl-alt-f1. unable to proceed with install. Install machine is sony vaio vgn ns20s, with integrated gpu, 3gb ram, 2.1ghz cpu. | 19:22 |
| Burnsworthy | Question: How do I fix this? | 19:22 |
| popey | Burnsworthy: did you download 12.04 or do you have a pressed CD? | 19:26 |
| Burnsworthy | USB written with startup disk creator from 10.04 netbook edition. I've tried a live install, and one just for installation. Both have the same problem. I've not tried another version, though I know lubuntu 10.04 works fine, since that was what was on the usb previously. | 19:31 |
| popey | the reason I ask is that we recently released 12.04.2 http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ | 19:32 |
| popey | which may be newer than the one you downloaded, depending on when you downloaded it | 19:32 |
| popey | i.e. what's the filename of the iso you downloaded? | 19:33 |
| Burnsworthy | Ah. That is indeed the version I used for the usb. | 19:33 |
| popey | ah ok | 19:33 |
| Burnsworthy | My intent is to install the os onto a partition on my external drive, so I imagine one solution might be to try a different pc for the install. From what I've seen on google, it may have something to do with my gpu drivers. However, the solutions I saw were seemingly intended for *post* install, so don't help in my case. | 19:40 |
| Burnsworthy | Oh, addendum - using another pc isn't possible in this case. My netbook doesn't have the specs to support 12.04. | 19:43 |
| popey | Burnsworthy: sorry, pass. I'd try either #ubuntu or http://askubuntu.com/ | 19:47 |
| popey | directhex: is l4d2 any good? | 20:07 |
| popey | seems to be on sale | 20:07 |
| directhex | popey, sure, with friends | 20:13 |
| ^aDaM | Evenings all long time no Cyber Speak, hello to brobostigon popey 2 people that helped me in the Linux world :) | 20:14 |
| popey | hi | 20:17 |
| popey | directhex: oh, not single player? | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: it can be played single-player?! | 20:18 |
| Burnsworthy | It's still good fun single player, imo. Definitely much better when played with a group though. | 20:18 |
| popey | might skip that then | 20:19 |
| directhex | popey, meh, bots | 20:19 |
| directhex | popey, it's a 4-player co-op game. up to you whether the co-op partners are human or not | 20:19 |
| popey | ah | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: L4D2 has a Linux version now? It's not in my list :( | 20:20 |
| ^aDaM | I've a bit of a problem my Grub menu is broke, I am using Windows XP Pro 32Bit... and I need to remove everything and start from but can't seem to find out how to remove it properly... I can't access ubuntu as it has broken and dated. I want to get the new copy and start fresh. | 20:21 |
| ^aDaM | Does anybody know how to remove the Grub menu at the start from Windows XP? | 20:21 |
| ^aDaM | So I can reinstall a fresh copy of this Ubuntu or would it just overwrite it in the install process? | 20:22 |
| popey | the latter | 20:23 |
| popey | reinstall will put a fresh grub on the disk | 20:23 |
| ^aDaM | Ah ok thanks popey, also I have no blank discs whats the other route? | 20:24 |
| ^aDaM | Oh wait I've a USB Pendrive :) | 20:24 |
| popey | !usb | 20:27 |
| lubotu3 | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 20:27 |
| popey | :D | 20:27 |
| ^aDaM | Nicee :D | 20:27 |
| ^aDaM | Ubuntu IRC Bot has the answer to everything :P | 20:27 |
| ^aDaM | Well if it wasnt for you and the gang. | 20:28 |
| Burnsworthy | Speaking of USBs, any thoughts regarding my query? | 20:28 |
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| === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti | ||
| MartijnVdS | argh | 20:56 |
| jacobw | Tea, MartijnVdS? | 20:58 |
| MartijnVdS | Unity forgot I want sloppy focus + auto-raising windows | 21:00 |
| MartijnVdS | AGAIN | 21:00 |
| MartijnVdS | for the 600th time. | 21:00 |
| MartijnVdS | *fires up dconf-editor* | 21:00 |
| MartijnVdS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1063617 | 21:01 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1063617 in Compiz "1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1 regression: keeps setting gsettings keys to wrong values" [High,Fix committed] | 21:01 |
| === redtape-AFK is now known as redtape-renegade | ||
| redtape-renegade | AlanBell, I just read this off twitter ::::::: Ubuntu GNOME Is Now An Official Ubuntu Flavor wp.me/p34Cwj-xJ 5 hours ago .. Where is the portal for this on the Ubuntu Wiki ? | 21:29 |
| === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AFK | ||
| ^aDaM_ | The joys of UNetbootin :) | 21:37 |
| ^aDaM_ | Currently copying Ubuntu 12.10 via UNetbootin on my USB Stick can't wait to test this distro been a while since I have used Linux and any Ubuntu version for that matter. | 21:39 |
| ^aDaM_ | What is a good stable IRC client on 12.10? | 21:40 |
| ^aDaM_ | Before I shoot off and Boot my USB and go ahead with the installation I want a decent client. | 21:40 |
| ^aDaM_ | I'll be back... | 21:42 |
| ^aDaM_ | Boot time ! | 21:42 |
| === Gaunt is now known as Gaunt2005 | ||
| AlanBell | redtape-AFK: that is not my project, but I do like the idea of a gnome flavor, Gnome Shell really is rather good | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | I am using Unity and Gnome Shell on alternate weeks on 13.04 | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | this week is a Gnome Shell week, which is great. It is just a touch smoother than unity in window management | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | why... why would you even do that? | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | alternate weeks? | 22:07 |
| AlanBell | well I want to see how Unity is getting along, but I also want to have some time with a deterministic alt-tab | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | it just seems like 1 week would be nearly but not quite long enough to settle in | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | i'd be in a permanent state of confusion if i tried to do that | 22:33 |
| AlanBell | well I did spend quite a long time on just Unity and never got settled in | 22:35 |
| AlanBell | I hope Unity in QML is going to be better, but I am not sure it is going to be optimised for people who like computers rather than mobile devices | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | dunno if alt-tab is going to be using the mouse to pick windows out from the right edge or something | 22:39 |
| solutionbckward | Hi, can someone help me with "playonlinux"? | 23:10 |
| * popey points at Azelphur | 23:10 | |
| * popey goes to bed | 23:10 | |
| * Azelphur runs | 23:10 | |
| solutionbckward | =[ | 23:10 |
| Azelphur | solutionbckward: why not wine? :P | 23:10 |
| solutionbckward | idk what im doing, thats why lol | 23:10 |
| Azelphur | and what app are you trying to run | 23:10 |
| solutionbckward | im trying to play league of legends with my friend | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | yea, it's supposed to work in wine | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | with a little hackery anyway | 23:12 |
| solutionbckward | im seeing tutorials on how with play on linux, but its not coming up in mine when i search it | 23:12 |
| Azelphur | if you wanna use playonlinux, might wanna ask in #playonlinux, I've never used it myself | 23:13 |
| solutionbckward | i just want it to work | 23:13 |
| solutionbckward | my friends getting impatient lol | 23:13 |
| Azelphur | it's not going to be quick | 23:14 |
| Azelphur | but, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19141 has instructions on how to get it running in wine | 23:14 |
| solutionbckward | thanks | 23:17 |
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