=== stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [07:38] G4rd3nH0 [07:58] TheOpenSourcere1, Morning.. Hows the maping project going that you blogged about last month (pos. Jan.) ?? [07:59] redtape-renegade: Morning. It's out and running :-) http://forge.vtiger.com/projects/geotools/ [07:59] opening .. glad to see it shine .. [08:00] Have fixed a few bugs - made a major improvement in the way it all works and have received 4 translations. [08:04] TheOpenSourcere1: did you by any chance blurt out a password there ? [08:04] nope. not me. [08:04] G4rd3nH0 [08:05] < TheOpenSourcerer> G4rd3nH0 [08:05] Hmm - odd. [08:16] TheOpenSourcere1: from your same IP too [08:16] Gosh - really. Must have been my twin brother then [08:17] a likely story === directhe` is now known as directhex [08:47] wow, i just found 3 BTC on an exchange account i totally forgot about [08:51] How do I disable some of the stupid & really annoying "automatically make my window full height even though I don't want it to be" stuff in Unity? [08:54] can you be more specific? [08:54] no [08:54] do you mean grid plugin? [08:54] do i? [08:54] i don't know [08:54] neither do i [08:55] I just know that its bloody annoying when I drag a window around and all of a sudden it goes full height [08:56] on half the screen? [08:56] This is more like at the top [08:56] sounds like grid plugin [08:56] yeah, it is [08:56] Morning [08:56] just disable it in ccsm [08:56] Ah ccsm. [08:56] and it is called what? [08:56] ...grid plugin [08:57] just search for grid in the top left of ccsm [08:57] under window management [08:57] Ta. [08:57] i just realised i'm not even using compiz right now [08:58] "extended KDE testing" [08:58] it's been a couple of days and i haven't ragequit yet, so it is clearly improving [08:58] hoorah - thanks that's worked. [09:09] Did anyone see if the 2 part tv thingy called Shetland was any good last night ? Is it wort turning in tonight @ 9pm ? [09:13] is it about ponies? [09:14] directhex, I think it's about some investigation by a bobby in Shetland .. something about 'remains' .. [09:14] so not an hour long version of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekr05T9Iaio ? [09:14] because i'd watch that [09:15] opening.. [09:18] directhex, Haha .. that's a proper Morn. Meme to laugh at .. Ghehe. [09:20] Apparently to cold wind in the air, is a direct draft from Siberia by all acounts. === michelle is now known as michelle_ [09:49] Happy Moshoeshoe Day, everyone! :-D [10:01] ali1234: have you been able to prettify kde? screenshot? [10:03] mungbean: not really, no, but it is reasonable [10:04] i'm not using any KDE applications for a start, that really helps [10:07] even the systray is ugly though [10:07] but amarok is the best media player there is! [10:07] 1.4 was popey :D [10:07] lies [10:07] winamp was [10:07] clementine is now the best [10:07] before AOL took over [10:08] http://imagebin.org/249829 [10:08] i removed the system tray entirely [10:08] I did like how I could make a recent Winamp look somewhat like it did in 2000 [10:08] Oh, and now I've been reminded of XMMS [10:08] gave up trying to fix it [10:08] \o/ crud [10:09] i don't actually miss the systray at all, weirdly enough [10:09] what are you using instead? [10:09] nothing [10:09] gruh [10:09] the snow is really coming down now [10:09] turns out i don't actually need to look at network manager icon all the time [10:09] oh wow so it is [10:10] Looks nice ali1234 [10:11] KDE doesn't understand the idea of monochrome icons [10:11] ONE colour + transparent pixels [10:12] ali1234: whats that along the bottom though? i still see the cashew [10:12] bottom left: shortcut icons for common used apps so i never have to suffer the pain of KDE's start menu [10:12] then task bar [10:12] then the desktop pager [10:12] then the clock [10:13] and the cashew... cannot ever be removed [10:13] dolphin still looks ugly and incongruous [10:13] lol now it's sunny... and snowing at the same time [10:13] "stealth cashew?" [10:13] http://askubuntu.com/questions/24867/how-do-i-remove-the-kde-4-plasma-tool-box-cashew-icon-from-the-desktop [10:13] clicking that opens the panel config [10:13] unless you mean the thing in top right [10:14] i don't even know what that is supposed to do [10:14] good morning everyone, [10:14] was an avid kde user , they lost me when they ripped out the guts of every app [10:15] and yeah dolphin looks bad because there are no good themes that work with gtk and qt [10:15] too much habit of ripping everything up and starting again, never finishing [10:15] if you want KDE and gtk to match you have to use oxygen... and that just makes everything look equally awful [10:16] Anyone use Cisco Unified Commication Manager in here ? [10:17] CUCM [10:17] plasma theme is called "vintage" btw [10:17] and window decorations are called "chrome" - i think it's a copy of google chrome? [10:17] i thought all the bits around the window were called chrome [10:18] they've certainly been called chrome in firefox for years [10:18] (unless my sarcasm detector is broken) [10:18] no the theme [10:21] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Chrome+Grayscale+Aurorae?content=119168 [10:21] Hurray for the Commonwealth charter http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/queen-to-sign-new-charter-backing-equal-rights-for-gay-people-across-commonwealth-8528587.html :: Shout out to all those manscaping today !! [10:21] redtape-renegade: dude. how offtopic can you get? [10:21] and technically chrome in firefox sense means the address bar and menus and stuff [10:21] sorry wrong channel. sorry. [10:22] everything inside the window that isn't the html page [10:23] we have a topic? [10:25] < mungbean> i hear the pope is resigning [10:25] ahem ☺ [10:26] well he does frequent this channel [10:28] popey: "amen"? [10:30] ty for the rt popey [10:31] np [10:42] ty for the rt czajkowski (What happened to the paddies on Saturday then? Thought you had that one in the bag?) [10:49] me too :( [10:51] douglas adam's birthday, :), all hail genius. [11:07] ACTION: Topic needs to be changed, I suggest 'the convergence' strategy as a possible lay-topic to get people talking. [11:07] popey: just sayin' [11:09] I wish there was Omnigraffe level of software on Linux :( [11:10] I'm finding myself jumping between multiple different apps in an attempt to build interactive wireframes [11:10] got my first pack of sugru - the ultimate modders tool \o/ [11:11] AMD heatsink CPU bracket hasn't arrived today [on top postal price avail./ bought on Friday 'noon] .. Amazon cost me poss. £900 for that. Guriers 'these sellers' are to me. [11:14] * redtape-renegade heads for the bus-stop for coffee Rep. solace === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AFK === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting TBA | ubuntu | [11:14] !away [11:14] Please do not use noisy away messages and nicks in Ubuntu channels. It is annoying and unnecessary. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg lubotu3 Guidelines» [11:14] ☺ [11:15] oh thanx. [11:17] Morning all [11:24] What do you think of the piston specs? [11:24] http://rootgamer.com/news/xi3-accepting-preorders-steampiston [11:26] it's not something i would buy [11:26] hopefully it encourages ATI to improve their drivers? [11:28] ali1234: Seems expensive [11:29] the piston is not being shipped by valve. don't take its price as meaning anything. there is no economy of scale in xi3's component pricing. [11:29] yeah $1000 is too much for a games console [11:29] though for a real HTCP, maybe it's not bad [11:30] *HTPC [11:31] i don't really like minipcs though. they tend to melt [11:31] and then there's zero chance to repair them because none standard parts [11:31] so yeah, i would not buy this [11:32] Any ideas how I can tell what thickness 2.5" drive I need to buy for a laptop without opening the laptop? [11:32] Acer Aspire 5920 [11:32] Old thing, quite thick so I think it'll just be the standard 2.5" size and not the 7mm thick one [11:32] kvarley, it's *probably* 9.5mm, but no, no way to tell [11:32] unless you pull the specs on the factory-shipped drive [11:33] Ah, the laptop is on Crucial [11:33] So I'll just use their search tool :) [11:33] Thanks directhex [11:33] the piston cpu is a A10-4600M [11:33] Someone who knows about DIY look at these pictures and tell me if you think it looks like damp to you please: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/damp/ [11:34] The dark/discoloured patches feel wet and those weird drips started appearing in the last couple of days [11:34] condensation or a leak [11:34] also the streaks on the wall [11:34] directhex: Should be pretty easy to keep cool then [11:35] kvarley: I'd just run "smartctl" and get the model number of the drive [11:35] 35W component [11:36] looks like $100 a processor in bulk. give or take. [11:36] popey: Thanks [11:36] directhex: I've seen the model up from that chip running fanless [11:36] Much higher TDP [11:36] Laney: is that in multiple rooms? [11:37] you seem to have a lot of condensation on your windows too [11:38] popey: That is a LOT of info about one drive 0.o [11:43] Any ideas where I can find out how much RAM a laptop can take? I can't see any mention of it in the manual [11:44] what cpu is it? [11:45] One sec [11:45] popey: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz [11:45] Acer Aspire 5920 [11:45] http://ark.intel.com/products/29760/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T7300-4M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB [11:45] hmm [11:46] how many slots does it have? [11:46] kvarley: I quite often just use crucial.com/uk for that [11:46] sudo dmidecode [11:46] whether or not I buy the RAM there [11:46] Laney: it isn't rising damp (that comes up) it is a leaky roof or gutter [11:46] popey: 2 slots [11:46] i do usually too, but had an instance where crucial was wrong [11:46] Laney: or pipe [11:46] mgdm: It recommends 2x 2GB sticks [11:47] AlanBell: yeah I suspected as much [11:47] both of those rooms are on the same side and there's no problem like that on the other [11:48] popey: Some forum threads say you can but it will only address 6.75 GB of it [11:48] popey: That you can put 2x 4GB sticks in [11:48] popey: Chipset spec says 4GB is the max memory size supported [11:50] I'll just go with 4GB [11:50] They're getting an SSD and twice the RAM so it's not a bad deal [11:52] should fly [11:52] what's it running? [11:55] xnox: enjoy saturday ? [11:56] popey: xubuntu [11:56] nice [11:57] popey: It's my Dad's laptop, he's used to the GNOME2 layout still otherwise he'd be on Unity :) [11:57] xubuntu should fly on that [11:57] czajkowski: i should have had a better prepared talk, as it seems like there was demand even for the simple things I do day-to-day. [11:57] czajkowski: more coca-cola and more sprite needed. [11:57] popey: Hopefully, this is a follow up to my questions the other day about the faulty partition on a hard drive. [11:57] xnox: working on sorting out a date for the next one [11:58] czajkowski: house mates ate all sandwiches without leaving a single one for me. [11:58] czajkowski: overall it was good. [11:58] xnox: aye that was the only complaint I got the lack of drink availability lke tea/coffee but we did have water and there was a tesco around the corner. We did have loads of foods :) [11:58] czajkowski: do you need any donations for budget / to run the event? [11:58] having 9 talks that just appeared on the day ws amazing [11:58] xnox: we had Basho sponsor the foods this time [11:59] I kinda dont want to get into the area of accepting donations as then it actually becomes more work with banks and declaring monies [11:59] we had 32 people there which was good for the first ever event [11:59] czajkowski: did i miss a Riak talk then? [12:00] * xnox wants to learn more about riak [12:00] nope thye just kindly sponsored but no talk [12:00] hopefully the next time [12:03] xnox: thanks for coming though :) [12:04] * xnox ponders to take a short university course at City University London [12:05] on ? [12:06] http://www.city.ac.uk/courses/short-courses/object-oriented-programming-using-c.html [12:06] C++ [12:06] oh god [12:06] I'm having flash backs to that module [12:07] Maybe you can be my mentor \o/ [12:07] Does /proc/meminfo tell you how much RAM is in each slot? [12:07] used to have to do OO C++ in 2nd year and then deal with multi choice negative marking [12:07] xnox: eh no [12:07] I loath it [12:08] Well, in uni I did crazy concurrency programming with VHDL, Verilog and programming FPGAs, as well as OS-level programming in C for a DOS like chip. But none of this crazy OO in C++. [12:09] I'd probably rather the VHDL etc [12:09] C++ is hideous [12:10] xnox: the men in white coats are aware of your location if you could just stay there, they have one of those nice jackets that fastens at the back [12:10] * xnox *jackets* \o/ [12:38] How can I download a file via terminal when there isn't a direct link to the file? For example I'm presented with example.com/some/path/file/-/view/28485727/ [12:40] Turns out wget managed it with the -O flag [12:57] kvarley: i was going to say wget has an option for follow links or something like that [13:24] Reliable, secure, IMAP email server package for Ubuntu Server 12.04 ? [13:24] Dovecot [13:24] kvarley, dovecot? [13:24] mgdm directhex: Easy to configure? Web UI? [13:25] No web UI, but it's pretty simple to set up [13:25] mgdm: Ok, ty :) [13:25] Hurray for the help.ubuntu.com pages [13:25] generally the web ui for imap servers is a separate thing [13:25] there are many choices [13:26] we just rolled out sogo [13:26] directhex: Ok, thanks I'll check it out [13:39] I think when health and safety inspectors come to visit me on Wednesday they are gonna have a field day, https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo537hl9dvqcsg7/2013-03-11%2013.30.13.mp4 xD [13:46] jelmer: \o/ [13:46] apparently Azelphur lives in post-zombie-apocalypse england [13:46] indeed [13:47] i suggest you get a cricket bat ASAP [13:47] XD [13:47] braaaaaaaains [13:47] It's amusing because the landlord knows I'm taking legal action and getting inspectors round [13:47] and he still leaves it :D [13:49] Easiest way to make all future directories and files within /srv/* belong to the www-data group? [13:50] you could set chmod g+s (I think) [13:50] yep [13:50] What does g+s do? [13:51] sticky bit [13:51] as in "this permission persists to all children" [13:51] g = ? s = ? [13:51] g for group [13:51] it means that anything created under that directory keeps the same group [13:51] s for sticky [13:51] Ok [13:51] Is it recursive? [13:51] it's not retroactive. [13:51] *should* be [13:51] and what directhex said [13:52] i.e. you need to do it recursively once, and it'll work for future file/folder creation by itself [13:52] So # "chown -R username:www-data . && chmod g+s www-data ." will do/ [13:52] *? [13:53] Azelphur: did you move out of your parents? [13:53] mungbean: yea, been on my own for 4 months now [13:53] admittedly my first choice of landlord was...not a good one [13:53] and you have junkie zombies in your garden? [13:54] haha [13:54] zombies need beds too [13:54] kvarley: not quite [13:54] true :P [13:54] kvarley: you'll need to recurse the +s too [13:54] Azelphur: you working? [13:54] otherwise if you create something under a dir that already exists, it won't pick up the permissions [13:54] not yet, but probably soon [13:54] you could do a deal with teh landlord that you will clear the garbage for a price [13:55] mungbean: problem is it's not just the garbage, there's a long list of around 30 things [13:55] looks nasty [13:55] is nasty \o/ [13:55] kvarley, chmod -R [13:55] er, wait [13:55] chmod -R g+s . [13:56] chmod doesn't deal in usernames or groups, just permissions [13:59] directhex: ah ok, ty [13:59] Done that and now it shows the right group [13:59] But I can't write to the directory from my user account [13:59] I added myself to the www-data group [13:59] you may need to log out of your shell and back in again [14:00] group permissions are not instant [14:00] SuperMatt: I was logged in via SSH, I did that [14:00] they only apply on a new log in [14:00] type groups at the command line to see what group you're in [14:00] you set g+s, did you also set g+w (group write)? [14:00] what does "id" say? [14:00] what's the best tool for downloading photos from a camera? [14:00] dwatkins: that i'm in www-data [14:00] directhex: Ah [14:00] i.e a single purpose tool [14:00] tried rapid photo downloader but it doesn't work [14:01] directhex: you were right :) thanks [14:10] czajkowski, AlanBell, xnox and anyone else who attended hackntalk on Saturday. Thanks for creating such an enjoyable event, see you at the next one :) [14:14] ... and jelmer =) [14:14] :) [14:17] * Laney points a big heater outside to speed up the arrival of spring [14:25] Is there a service that will act kind of like dropbox and detect changes in a directory and then sync them to an external hard drive? [14:27] well [14:27] you could use deja-dup [14:27] but that's not on a per-change basis [14:28] SuperMatt: I think I'll use that daily and also install seafile for documents only [14:28] SuperMatt: Will deja-dup check to see if a file is newer or will it just copy all regardless? [14:29] rsync might be more what you want [14:29] deja dup does lots of compression and stuff [14:29] Is there a good GUI available for rsync? [14:29] I don't know [14:30] ok, ty [14:30] have a look in the software center for rsync [14:30] I'm seeing that Unison might be good [14:31] kvarley: http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ ? [14:31] fact is, there are loads of ways you can do this kind of thing [14:31] personally, I use rsync because I just put in the commanad I want, create a cron job, and forget all about it [14:31] SuperMatt: Unison looks like what I want [14:32] SuperMatt: Hard to tell, it's not for me so I'm having trouble deciding [14:32] Unison will be more I/O intensive than a cronjob [14:33] unison /o\ [14:34] kvarley: what you should do is research deja dup, rsync, unison, and other tools, in an offline environment and see which one you feel more confortable with [14:34] directhex: Why /0\ hehe [14:34] unison is fine as long as you don't want history, don't mind accidentally squashing changes, and don't want access from more than one distro [14:34] I have wasted a lot of time in the past working hard to get one method to work, when I could have used a different tool to do it easily [14:34] the latter two are major issues for multi-user repos [14:35] It's for my parents [14:35] rsync tbh [14:35] :) [14:35] Ok :) [14:35] learn rsync, it'll change your life [14:35] Does rsync hash check? Or does it just copy everything? [14:36] it can do whatever you want it to do ;) [14:36] you can do things by time [14:36] you can do things by md5sum [14:36] SuperMatt: Ok I'm sold :D [14:37] you can tell it never to overwrite a file, instead putting it into a backup folder [14:37] which is what I do [14:37] but *LEARN* it first [14:37] Does it log when it completes a backup? [14:37] I'm not so sure about that [14:37] you could probably script something to do it [14:39] SuperMatt: This grsync GUI is pretty good [14:39] cool [14:39] Shows all the CLI flags it uses too :) [14:40] but I really suggest learning how the command line works [14:40] SuperMatt: OK :) [14:40] because it'll make a lot of your every day tasks a lot easier [14:45] learn rsync? isn't that a bit like learning sendmail? [14:45] just learn how to do whatever it is you wanbt to do with rsync, and assume it's also able to do almost everything else [14:49] do bricks and mortar stores like currys do price match against amazon? [14:49] dunno [14:50] doubt it [14:50] thing is amazon sell stuff through other vendoes [14:50] vendors [14:50] want a dvd player but some compalints on amazon that its noisy [14:51] john lewis do i believe [14:51] richer sounds do. [14:51] and i think john lewis [14:51] check their websites [14:51] all a bit far away [14:51] wanted to walk in and try [14:52] i can walk in and then buy on amazon later i suppose [14:52] phone [14:52] if a dvd player is hdmi only, how do i plug it into my crt telly with scart only? [14:52] you don't. [14:53] mungbean: most appliances in store won't be plugged in anyway [14:53] oh [14:53] but a new telly [14:53] *buy [14:53] have a new baby on thursday [14:53] the lower-end dvd players will probably do scart [14:53] £££ -> nappies --> poo [14:53] not like video quality matters with scart, you won't be losing much by getting a bad player [14:53] directhex: yes, the one i want is scart only but has usb in , so a bonus [14:53] except if its noisy [14:54] or breaks easily like my philips dvd writer [14:54] v disappointed with that [14:55] scart is terrible sometimes, i have a rgb lead thing now much better connections [14:58] 21 pins in a connector with no real grip? that's a tough job [14:59] personally i'm glad of HDMI [14:59] SCART is the PHP of electrical connectors [14:59] ahayzen: glad you enjoyed it, there will be another one in a few months [15:01] i will probably only change telly when my crt blows up [15:03] a new TV was one of the first things we bought when my wife and i moved in together [15:03] her parents had given us an old CRT, but the remote was lost, and there was no way to get a universal remote to send the "scart now plz" signal to it [15:03] making it useless for games, and therefore for everything [15:04] that happened to a friend of mine [15:04] £650 we spent on a 26" samsung 1366x768 lcd [15:04] spent ages trying to figure out the remote codes [15:04] ended up putting a laptop in front of the tv and watching movies on that [15:06] lcd tellys are quite cheap now [15:06] but i generally have a make do and mend attitude [15:07] and as soon as you upgrade your telly then all your SD stuff looks poor [15:07] cheap LCDs probably aren't as good as your CRT though, if it's a decent one [15:07] i have a spidey sense for failing technology [15:07] not that i consider £650 to be cheap [15:07] yes, it's that silver panasonic/sony jobby [15:07]