[01:33] <Omnifrog> this music is pretty interesting http://www.youtube.com/user/MajorVsMinor/videos?sort=dd&view=0&tag_id=
[01:33] <Omnifrog> pop songs shifted to minor scale
[02:01] <chris4585> Omnifrog, that is neat
[02:02] <chris4585> have you heard one of those videos that stays in same key but transitions between multiple songs
[02:05] <Omnifrog> I have!
[02:05] <Omnifrog> I play mashups from time to time
[02:06] <chris4585> those are neat
[02:07] <Omnifrog> I have trouble keeping up with them
[02:07] <Omnifrog> there are so many
[03:02] <Omnifrog> gah
[03:02] <Omnifrog> school bus comes early
[03:02] <Omnifrog> night nerds!
[12:42] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: got to drive thru your neck of the woods, man has it kept changing, growing
[12:55] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[17:05] <Omnifrog> It has indeed cyberanger
[17:06] <Omnifrog> ever since the VW plant it's been booming
[17:06] <Omnifrog> hiya wrst
[17:06] <wrst> hello Omnifrog, how are you doing?
[17:06] <Omnifrog> A bit sore today
[17:07] <Omnifrog> yesterday was the first day working in the woods for a while
[17:08] <wrst> ahh yes I experienced something similar painting a ceiling, I don't normally use those muscles in that way
[17:08] <Omnifrog> ceilings are the worst
[17:10] <wrst> yes, we have built a garage and just used OSB for the interior which was fine with me but the wife thought it was ugly so i painted
[17:10] <wrst> well 9 gallon of paint later I need at least 3 more
[17:10] <wrst> took nearly 5 for the ceiling
[17:10] <wrst> that stuff sucks paint up like a straw
[17:10] <Omnifrog> no primer?
[17:11] <wrst> that was including primer, but i ran out of it and just used painit on the walls and could really tell no difference
[17:11] <wrst> its going to take 3-4 coats regardless
[17:11] <Omnifrog> heh
[17:11] <Omnifrog> yeah, osb is hard to cover
[17:11] <wrst> read that using oil based Killz was the best thing for that and it did work well but not well enough for the extra cost
[17:12] <wrst> but i am getting some glue bleed through without the killz but that's not bothering me that much i was just going to leave it brown :)
[17:14] <Omnifrog> at least it's brighter than brown
[17:30] <wrst> ha ha yes but its a garage that is going to store junk
[17:31] <wrst> so i don't care but...
[17:31]  * wrst is liking the transmission web interface
[20:13] <Omnifrog> https://www.google.com/
[20:32] <bill_gill> hi all
[20:32] <bill_gill> wrst are you available?
[20:32] <bill_gill> omnifrog... run?
[20:33] <Omnifrog> hi bill
[20:35] <wrst> ha ha bill_gill i'm here for a few minutes
[20:35] <wrst> and hello Omnifrog
[20:51] <bill_gill> hi omnifrog & wrst
[20:51] <bill_gill> question about installing ubuntu
[20:51] <wrst> sure bill_gill what is your question?
[20:51] <bill_gill> i setup 300gb drive partions as 30gb boot / 250gb - home and the rest as a swap
[20:52] <bill_gill> i'm having too many issues with samba and pulseaudio and can't get them fixed so I want to drop back to 12.04 x86
[20:53] <bill_gill> if I do the install in the 30gb partition what do I need to select to make sure the 250gb section is set to mount in the /home of the new install?
[20:53] <bill_gill> trashing the 12.10 install is understood
[20:55] <bill_gill> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Installing-Ubuntu-12-10-301012.shtml
[20:55] <Omnifrog> if the installer doesn't have that option for you to set you can do it after the install
[20:55] <bill_gill> perfect
[20:55] <bill_gill> ty
[20:57] <Omnifrog> just go into whatever user management tool you prefer and enter the path
[21:01] <wrst> yep what Omnifrog said :)
[21:05] <wrst> bill_gill: i think you can also go into the advanced options or whatever they are called and specify all that too
[21:05] <bill_gill> ok
[21:05] <Omnifrog> then log out and in again for PATH to take effect
[21:06] <bill_gill> i know how to do it after the fact. i was concerned that if I didn't do it at install it would not be the same.
[21:08] <Omnifrog> the new path should be something like /dev/sd[x]/[directory]
[21:09] <Omnifrog> assuming the drive is /dev/sda the partition for home would be something like /dev/sda2/whatever
[21:10] <Omnifrog> replace the 2 with whatever partition the number actually is
[21:28] <bill_gill> the partitions aren't changing so I can use /dev/sda2/home
[21:31] <bill_gill> i think I still don't have this correct.
[21:32] <bill_gill> the partions is sda1 30gb boot primary,sba2  270gb extended with two parts ... sba6 is where my home is currently
[21:33] <Omnifrog> of course, the partition will still have to be mounted first
[21:33] <bill_gill> when it builds the install the home will be on sda 1 correct?
[21:33] <bill_gill> sorry sda1
[21:34] <bill_gill> will the new install change the device names?
[21:34] <Omnifrog> initially yes (unless the installer gives you the option to hake an alternate /home
[21:34] <Omnifrog> make*
[21:35] <bill_gill> i don't want to loose the files in my /home
[21:35] <Omnifrog> just make sure you dont let it format the new /home
[21:35] <Omnifrog> or leave that step for after the install is complete
[21:35] <bill_gill> i feel better doing it that way
[21:35] <Omnifrog> just to be sure
[21:35] <Omnifrog> yeah
[21:36] <bill_gill> so following that process I would end up with /home on sda1
[21:36] <Omnifrog> if your not sure leave it for later
[21:36] <Omnifrog> right
[21:36] <bill_gill> then i would change it to sda6 (which is how it looks now) or will the install change the device name?
[21:37] <Omnifrog> no, the device names are hardware dependent
[21:37] <Omnifrog> as long as the drive is still plugged in to the same port on the motherboard it will stay the same
[21:39] <Omnifrog> always double check things like that though
[21:49] <bill_gill> ok. other subject... are you running a 64bit version?
[21:50] <bill_gill> i'm wondering if some of my issues are because some libraries may have been installed as 32bit
[21:51] <Omnifrog> I am
[21:52] <Omnifrog> partition management is always a nightmare for me
[21:53] <Omnifrog> I do a crumby job at housekeeping
[22:04] <bill_gill> i understad
[22:05] <bill_gill> i'm excited being off of windughs but it's a challenge to learn a new os on the fly
[22:05] <bill_gill> i'm getting it down though
[22:05] <bill_gill> do you have many problems with 64bit?
[22:06] <bill_gill> i'm thinking i would go run 12.04 32bit to be a bit more stable.
[22:06] <Omnifrog> yeah, migrating to a new OS has it's challenges
[22:07] <bill_gill> so my pc is i3 w/ 12gb ram.
[22:08] <bill_gill> am i overkill for 32bit or will it make use of all resources
[22:08] <Omnifrog> the biggest issue I've ever had with 64bit has been Adobe Flash which is a monstrous piece of shit no matter what hardware you use
[22:08] <bill_gill> no hw drive issues
[22:08] <bill_gill> driver
[22:08] <Omnifrog> nope
[22:09] <Omnifrog> 64 bit in Linux has been stable for a very long time
[22:09] <bill_gill> hmmm, i wonder why i'm having such issues then. do you use samba and pulseaudio?
[22:09] <Omnifrog> ayeap
[22:09] <Omnifrog> and jack
[22:09] <bill_gill> bluetooth on pulseaudio
[22:10] <Omnifrog> my mobo has bluetooth but I don't have any devices that use it
[22:10] <Omnifrog> I think I used my wifes bluetooth mose on it once and it was fine
[22:10] <Omnifrog> mouse*
[22:10] <bill_gill> is jack for sensing audio port changes?
[22:11] <bill_gill> skype?
[22:11] <Omnifrog> jack is just another dreadful audio sub-system
[22:11] <Omnifrog> they all are
[22:12] <bill_gill> does it go along with alsa and pulse or instead?
[22:12] <Omnifrog> they cal all run at the same time
[22:13] <Omnifrog> jack takes exclusive control of the audio device when it's running
[22:14] <Omnifrog> it's a bloody nightmare sometimes
[22:20] <bill_gill> is it for recording audio
[22:20] <bill_gill> i don't think i need Jack
[22:21] <bill_gill> i use skype and a bluetooth headset. pulse doesnt' want to play nice with skype. it takes over all in/out.
[22:21] <Omnifrog> the only thing I use jack for on a regular basis is broadcasting
[22:21] <Omnifrog> skype doesn't require jack though
[22:22] <bill_gill> do you use skype?
[22:23] <Omnifrog> I can use skype on one of my older machines cause it's using an older version but MS has screwed up the newer version
[22:23] <Omnifrog> I don't use it too often though
[22:24] <Omnifrog> google talk/hangout has much better quality
[22:41] <bill_gill> on ubuntu?
[22:45] <Omnifrog> yep
[22:46] <bill_gill> is google talk like skype with having a phone number a land line can call?
[22:46] <Omnifrog> when I do live call in guest on the radio I always use G+ if possible
[22:47] <Omnifrog> yeah, Google talk can dial out to landlines
[22:47] <Omnifrog> or VOIP/video conferencing
[22:47] <bill_gill> ugh, i can't go switching from skype now... too invested
[22:47] <bill_gill> i'll take a look at it later when my contract is up with skype.
[22:47] <Omnifrog> we should have live shows in here to build the community
[22:48] <Omnifrog> I can broadcast it on my server
[22:48] <bill_gill> like how-to shows
[22:48] <Omnifrog> sure! or call in help shows
[22:49] <Omnifrog> I'm no genius at lixux so we would need experts
[22:50] <bill_gill> I'm a newbie for sure with ubuntu. if i had one complaint it would be there there are soooo many bloggers and writers and know-it-all out there. searching for an answer for a problem includes filtering out all the crap that is old, incorrect and bias
[22:51] <bill_gill> i found just more posts that removing pulse was a good idea than it was a bad idea.... turns out it's a bad idea.
[22:51] <Omnifrog> yeah, lots of things need pulse
[22:52] <Omnifrog> you cant really do without it
[22:53] <bill_gill> the issue i have is with skype when it loads it finds pulse and locks down so nothing else can be selected for audio. that sucks because I don't use the same devices for voice as i do for listening
[22:53] <bill_gill> also pulse is not showing the bluetooth device (handset or headset) that is connected.
[22:54] <bill_gill> the system sees it and it works but pulse doesnt' show it so it can't be selected and adjusted.
[22:54] <bill_gill> i'm sure there is a layer involved that just needs to be tweaked but alas i have not found the help video... :)
[22:55] <bill_gill> well, i'm about ready to blow up this install. Are you on 12.10?
[22:57] <Omnifrog> sorry for delays. I'm cooking dinner and chatting at the same time
[23:03] <bill_gill> haha... me too
[23:03] <bill_gill> making chicken fajita
[23:03] <bill_gill> some mung bean salad and a beer
[23:04] <bill_gill> what version of ubuntu are the most happy with?
[23:04] <Omnifrog> these days I'm none too pleased with any of them
[23:05] <Omnifrog> I'm looking for a replacement
[23:07] <Omnifrog> although, to be fair KDE is to blame for most of the issues
[23:42] <bill_gill> a replacement for linux?
[23:42] <bill_gill> or just the user interface
[23:43] <Omnifrog> replacement for distro and or DE
[23:44] <bill_gill> i don't understand
[23:44] <wrst> Omnifrog: i'm taking that you aren't a fan of unity ?
[23:45] <bill_gill> distro being distrbution
[23:45] <Omnifrog> No! wrst
[23:45] <bill_gill> i'm okay with unity
[23:45] <Omnifrog> not at all
[23:45] <Omnifrog> right, bill
[23:45] <Omnifrog> DE = desktop environment
[23:45] <wrst> Omnifrog: i'm wasn't but I must say it isn't bad anymore, it and kde are the most sane desktops i think currently out there if you want a full featured one
[23:46]  * wrst is also a huge arch fan/user
[23:50] <wrst> Omnifrog: new opensuse release is also coming out tomorrow
[23:51] <Omnifrog> I've been considering trying that out
[23:52] <wrst> if you like kde i think its as solid as it gets without using arch
[23:52] <wrst> and they have some nice gui management tools if you like that
[23:56] <Omnifrog> I'm a bit of a minimalist but I like features too
[23:57] <Omnifrog> I don't doubt SUSE is solid. last time I used it I was happy enough with it
[23:58] <wrst> ahh well if you like minimalist go old school, go with arch, its so minimalist it doesn't even have an installer ;)