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Squirmmorning05:47
Kiloshi Squirm and others05:47
henkjmorning05:50
Kiloshi henkj 05:51
KilosSquirm, you are using mint/mate hey?05:52
Kilosdo you know the diffs from ubuntu + mate05:52
SquirmMint is the OS, MATE is the Graphical environment. Ubuntu uses Unity as it's graphical environment05:57
Squirmas far as I've figured out, all Ubuntu packages work with Mint05:57
Kilosoh my06:01
Kilosoh yes it was something you could choose like cinnamon06:10
Kilosjust more to install06:10
Kilosor just a fork off ubuntu06:14
henkjas far as I know MATE is a fork of gnome 206:27
henkjbecause the gnome team stopped maintaining it in favour of gnome 306:27
henkjand people didn't like that gnome 3 meant gnome shell06:27
henkjI actually liked gnome shell, but it's pretty resource intensive for a desktop environment06:28
henkjwas also unhappy when they decided people don't need screensavers :/06:29
Squirmlol06:43
Squirmhenkj: more of a gnome2 person myself06:44
Squirmthat's why I went with MATE06:44
SquirmI kind of like Mint MATE06:44
henkjI should try other DEs again06:45
henkjheard that KDE has improved a lot since I last used it06:45
Kilosmorning superfly 07:04
Kiloshi jrgns 07:06
jrgnsmorning Kilos, all07:07
Squirmhenkj: never really liked kde myself07:08
henkjSquirm: me neither, which is why I haven't used it for about 3 years07:08
Squirmguess i may be more than 3 years07:09
Squirmyou still studying?07:09
superflyhi Kilos07:09
henkjno, finished last year07:09
Kiloskde just takes getting used to but then its lekker07:10
Kilosjust a bit slow on older pc's07:10
inetprogood morning07:18
Kilosmorning inetpro 07:22
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 07:38
Kiloshiya maiatoday 07:43
maiatodayhi Kilos07:44
Kiloshi Vince-0 08:09
Vince-0Hi!08:10
Vince-0Hoe gaan dit met jou08:13
Kilosgoed dankie en self?08:16
Vince-0lekker man08:24
Vince-0Maandag eg goeters08:24
ThatGraemeGuymorning all08:24
Vince-0sup08:24
ThatGraemeGuybrain still waking up ;)08:25
Kiloshehe08:28
Symmetriaugh08:53
Symmetriaanyone made a call to London lately08:53
Symmetriathe phone lag is *bad*08:53
tonberryE352anyone know if it is possible to get the amount of data in a pipe's buffer from the writing side?09:00
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Kiloshi Tonberry Trixar_za 09:40
Trixar_zaHey Kilos09:44
tonberryE352hello09:45
magespawngood day09:58
magespawnDouglas Adams 61st birthday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams via Google doodle10:05
Kiloshi magespawn 10:08
magespawnhey Kilos10:08
magespawnhectic monday10:19
inetprointeresting11:24
inetproUbuntu GNOME is approved as an official flavour https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html11:24
inetproand that was already approved on Monday last week?11:24
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charlgood afternoon11:30
charlMaaz: coffee on11:30
* Maaz flips the salt-timer11:30
tumbleweedinetpro: it couldn't be an official flavour until now, because it depended on a PPA for the CD builds11:34
inetprotumbleweed: ahh11:34
tumbleweedthey wanted newer GNOME bits than the ubuntu-desktop people. apparently they are working together now11:34
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!11:34
inetproeventually!11:34
inetprotumbleweed: that is good news11:35
tumbleweedyes, I'm glad it happened11:36
confluencyThat's good to know.12:04
Symmetriahttp://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=-_If_EA_Games_Sold_Pizza_-______10.03.2013.jpg12:17
Symmetriahahaha12:17
charlsounds like an ict service desk :)12:24
inetproeish!13:03
inetproMan Overboard: GNOME Cofounder Joins the Mac Side13:04
inetprosome harsh words against Miguel de Icaza 13:04
inetprohttp://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/77492.html13:04
superflyinetpro: unsurprising13:50
inetpro:-)13:50
inetprosuperfly: true13:50
superflyhe has danced with MS and Apple for a long time.13:51
ThatGraemeGuysorry for ping-ponging :)13:59
ThatGraemeGuyi should just put an irc proxy on my pc at home13:59
ThatGraemeGuyany recommendations?14:00
tumbleweedsome people use znc. others like quassel (which has it's own built-in-proxy thing)14:01
* tumbleweed uses irssi in screen14:02
Kiloswerk jy darem inetpro ?14:36
Kilosskuus as ek jou wakker gemaak het14:37
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Kiloshard work dragging a tail hey?14:44
ThatGraemeGuy:D14:44
inetproKilos: define werk?14:52
KilosMaaz, define work14:54
MaazKilos: Work \Work\ (w[^u]rk), n. [OE. work, werk, weorc, AS. weorc, worc; akin to OFries. werk, wirk, OS., D., & G. werk, OHG. werc, werah, Icel. & Sw. verk, Dan. v[ae]rk, Goth. gawa['u]rki, Gr. 'e`rgon, [digamma]e`rgon, work, "re`zein to do, 'o`rganon an instrument, 'o`rgia secret rites, Zend verez to work. [root]145. Cf. {Bulwark}, {Energy}, {Erg}, {Georgic},14:54
Maaz{Liturgy}, {Metallurgy}, {Organ}, {Orgy}, {Surgeon}, {Wright}.] [1913 Webster] 1. Exertion o…14:54
Kiloswhew14:54
Kilosdaai goed in afrikaans14:54
Kilosinetpro, daai aktiviteid wat jou elke dag moeg maak14:55
inetproai!14:56
Kilosek het baie banweed14:57
Kiloskan eers volgende begin somer begin gebruik14:57
Kiloscant use banweed here we need the weed14:58
ThatGraemeGuycool, got znc+ssl working, thanks tumbleweed  :)15:42
nuvolari:O16:10
* nuvolari ponders on 8ta 60+60gb deal16:10
Kiloslo nuvolari 16:11
Kilosdis baie data ne16:11
Kilosmaar vir n jaar16:12
nuvolaridit is ja oom16:12
nuvolarien dit is 'n kwart van die prys wat ek nou betaal met die special16:12
Kilossjoe16:14
Kiloshi charl 16:14
nuvolarioom Kilos, dieselfde hoeveelheid data vir daaglikse gebruik sal 4500 ZAR kos!16:15
Kilossjoe16:15
nuvolario wag, nie 'n kwart nie16:15
Kilosnaby genoeg16:16
Kilosdis soos geld in die bank. jy moet net seker maak dit hou die hele jaar16:16
nuvolariek sit nou en wik en weeg16:17
nuvolariek kan baie spaar as ek dit doen, maar dis 'n klomp geld op een slag16:17
Kilosis dit 60g dag en 60g na 11nm16:17
nuvolaridit is eintlik nog goedkoper dan ja16:17
nuvolari5gb/maand... ek koop omtrent 2 na 3x per maand 16:18
Kilosek dink dis n goeie ding as jy daai eerste bondel kan bekostig dan sal die bespaaring betaal vir die volgende klomp16:19
Kilosjy sal kan baljaar16:19
nuvolaridie nice ding is die na-11 deel16:19
Kilosen geld spaar ook16:19
nuvolarigewoonlik sou dit soos in 30gb gewees het as ek dit kan vergelyk :P16:20
Kilosmaar dit ander 60 sal jou wakker hou nagte16:20
Kiloshehe16:20
nuvolarikan dit gebruik vir series download :P16:21
Kiloso ja16:21
Kilosdis n plan16:21
Kilosen vooruit opstel om outomaties te doen terwyl jy slaap16:21
nuvolaridit werk wel duurder uit as TV, maar dit het nie die SABC nonsens op nie :P16:22
nuvolariDSTV persoonlik dink ek is 'n mors van geld16:22
Kilosian doen die selle. kyk nie tv nie. laai net goed af terwyl hy werk16:22
Kilosbaie duur16:23
Kilostot gewone mnet is R300 n maand16:23
nuvolarijislaaik16:23
nuvolaritv se moses16:23
nuvolarihmm, dit sal dalk help as ek my kragprop indruk16:24
nuvolariUbuntu GNOME is approved as an official flavour https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html16:27
Kiloshi Mezenir 16:34
* nuvolari facepalms16:41
nuvolariI never realized one can use your ebucks for airtime :P16:41
Vince-0and fuel and takealot16:42
Vince-0but mostly air-time 'cos its /100016:42
nuvolariyeah, I saved up my ebucks and never decided on buying anything because I didn't know what to buy :P16:43
Kiloslol16:43
nuvolarinow that 1800 didn't look as bad. Could have looked better if I had my epiphany earlier :P16:45
nuvolarihilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ixiP_nmCfU16:54
magespawnevening y'all17:17
Kiloshi magespawn 17:17
nuvolarihowdy17:18
magespawnwhats up in geek land today?17:19
nuvolaria little quietness17:20
nuvolari:P17:20
magespawnme too been out and about, so no time to chat17:20
Mezenirhey kilos :)17:21
Mezenirhi all17:21
Kilosmagespawn, you been for the interview yet?17:22
magespawnno at this rate it does not look like i made the short list17:23
magespawnhey Mezenir17:25
Kilosah17:26
magespawnone of those things i suppose17:26
Kiloswell we get more of you17:26
Kilostheir loss17:27
magespawnahh Kilos you are good for the ego17:28
Kilosyou our buddy. and we have limits to how much we share17:29
Kilosand i dont need help atm17:29
Kiloshehe17:29
magespawnskynet is here http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/news/2013/03/internet-robots?et_cid=3134407&et_rid=353759831&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wirelessdesignmag.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2finternet-robots 17:31
magespawnsorry about the link did copy & paste17:32
Kiloswhy you sorry? what went wrong17:33
Kilosoh you mean long17:34
magespawnyup too long17:34
Kiloscan you open pm with that tool you using?17:35
Kilosthen pm maaz and tell him shorten17:35
Kilosin future17:35
Kilosi think the pro has an auto shortener built in by him somehow17:36
magespawndid not know you could do that, useful, something new everyday17:36
KilosMaaz, shorten http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/news/2013/03/internet-robots?et_cid=3134407&et_rid=353759831&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wirelessdesignmag.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2finternet-robots17:36
MaazKilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/UUxTq517:36
Kilosworks well17:37
Kilosi love ibids17:37
magespawnindeed very usuful17:46
Squirmcan't bloody well get this quad copter to work :/17:49
nuvolarilol17:49
nuvolariwhy a quad copter?17:49
nuvolarijust get a heli, it's more fun17:49
Squirmnot mine, setting it of for a colleague17:50
Squirmbut still17:50
SquirmI have the really fancy transmitter :/17:50
Squirm11 channels17:51
* Squirm punts it out of the window17:51
nuvolari11 channels?? what do you fly with that? godzilla?17:51
Squirmnuvolari: you don't happen to have a DSX 11 do you?17:51
SquirmI take that as a no17:51
Squirmmeh17:51
Squirmafaik, the quad copter only uses 5 anyway17:52
Squirmbut I can't even get any of the blades to spin17:52
Squirmand I can't bloody well work out the settings on this lcd17:52
Squirmand the manual is in chinlish17:52
Squirms/chinlish/chinglish17:52
nuvolariafk17:55
nuvolaribut no, I don't have a DSX17:55
Squirmfinally figured out how to swith the throttle from the right stick to the left17:56
Squirmif I ever got it powered up, it'd have gone into the ceiling17:56
Squirmhappened to my colleague17:57
Squirmtwice17:57
nuvolariheh17:57
nuvolariSquirm: when you're done with the quad, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-szEr_7FSA17:58
Squirmwe have movement on blades!18:01
nuvolari\o/18:02
nuvolariliftoff yet?18:02
Squirmno18:07
Squirmone prop is spinning way too fast18:07
Squirmand they keep falling off18:07
nuvolariis the throttle curve right?18:07
Squirmffs18:12
Squirm2 motors spin opposite directions to the other 218:12
Squirmso the screws that hold the prop on keep falling off 2 of them18:12
Squirmnuvolari: ok, so they're tightened securely now18:18
Squirmbut alas, way too much throttle on take off, if I had to let that thing go it'd moer into the air18:19
* Squirm tampers with throttle curve18:19
magespawnSquirm: have you loctite for the screws? might help18:21
SquirmI don't but it's fine for testing18:22
Squirmhmm18:22
nuvolarioh hi magespawn 18:22
nuvolari++ on loctite18:22
Squirmnuvolari: motors only kick in when my throttle is at 10%18:22
Squirmand they kick in quite hectic18:22
magespawnhey nuvolari, your brain in another time zone?18:23
magespawnbattery powered, Squirm ?18:23
Squirmnuvolari: I have also adjusted the throttle curve so it's really low at the beginning18:23
nuvolariSquirm: is it on hold, or idle?18:23
Squirmmagespawn: yep18:23
nuvolarilol why magespawn ?18:23
Squirmnuvolari: I don't know?18:24
Squirm:P18:24
magespawnwas talkong about them to model plane guys here, they all use some sort of fuel, methenol i think18:25
magespawntalking18:25
magespawnfor their planes that is18:25
nuvolariSquirm: your throttle curve usually goes with hold and idle up18:25
nuvolarilike 2 throttle curves18:25
nuvolarior dr and dr2 (or dual rate)18:25
nuvolarimagespawn: yeah, I'm not up to date on fuel-driven models18:27
Squirmuh18:27
Squirmthis transmitter18:27
magespawnhave only seen batteries for quad copters18:27
Squirmfor throttle curve, I set pos0 and pos1 to pretty much the same18:27
magespawnnever fuel, would be awesome18:28
Squirmmagespawn: if I could actually get this thing working18:28
nuvolariSquirm: DSX 11 or DSX MKII?18:28
SquirmDSX 1118:29
nuvolariI think it's II as in 218:29
nuvolari:P18:29
nuvolarimeh18:29
Squirmno18:29
Squirmit's 1118:29
nuvolarior not18:29
nuvolariyeah18:29
nuvolarisorry18:29
Squirmthe motors don't start until I'm at(what they say here) +1018:30
Squirmwhich I'm guessing is 10/10018:31
Squirmyeah, it's 10/10018:31
nuvolarihmm, it could be pitch-related too (for heli's)18:31
Squirmnuvolari: the manual says I should stick it into aeroplane mode18:31
nuvolariok yeah18:31
Squirmso my transmitter is set like that18:31
Squirmthere's no bloody manuals online18:33
Squirmsorry if I accidentally swear18:33
Squirm:/18:33
nuvolariSquirm: http://blog.flying-hobby.com/manual/transmitter/jr/jr-dsx11-manual18:36
nuvolarihttp://blog.flying-hobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dsx11-manual.pdf18:36
Squirmnuvolari: I have a manual on what each settings thing does18:37
Squirmand my internet wasn't fast enough to download that pdf earlier18:37
nuvolarisorry squirm, I'm not too helpful18:40
nuvolariI didn't set up a quad before18:41
Squirmneither have I18:41
Squirmnuvolari: what's dual rate?18:42
nuvolariSquirm: usually you would have it so that you can specify a 'lower rate' and a higher rate at which the servo's respond18:43
Squirmok18:43
nuvolariso dual rate would be the higher rate18:44
nuvolariit's used with idle up/aerobatic mode18:44
Squirmah18:44
Squirmhmm18:44
SquirmI can set dual rate stuff for everything else except throttle18:46
nuvolariyeah, throttle doesn't have much to do with that18:46
nuvolariwell, I don't know about airoplane mode :P18:46
Squirmeven if I change the servo speed18:49
SquirmI really don't know how powerful it is, too scared to test it, does give a bit of a kick holding it18:50
Squirmbut it's still not starting slowly18:50
Squirmok18:54
Squirmso decreasing throttle curve, just means my stick position has to move more per percent18:55
Squirmbut motors still kick in when throttle is at 10%18:55
Squirm(throttle, not stick position)18:55
Squirmwhyyyy18:57
Kilosnight guys. sleep tight18:57
Squirmnight18:58
Squirmnuvolari: I have a gain screw on the receiver?19:01
SquirmI lie, it's on the gyro19:01
Squirmnuvolari: nuvolari nuvolari nuvolari nuvolari 19:07
Squirmturned the gain down19:07
Squirmstill starts at 10% throttle, but low speed19:07
Squirmso first attempted take off19:09
Squirmthrottle curve too low :P19:09
Squirmwell19:19
Squirmwe have lift off19:19
Squirmvery shaky19:19
Squirmin a small room19:19
Squirmneed to move to a bigger area and adjust the trims19:20
Squirmhmm, actually. I'm bored now19:20
* Squirm goes19:20
magespawnlol @ Squirm 19:24
magespawnthink nuvolari got distracted awhile back19:24
magespawngood night all, reading and then bedtime19:28
smile4everbyee :)19:32
smile4evergood night, magespawn19:32
* smile4ever goes too19:32
smile4evergood night, Squirm19:32
smile4ever:)19:32
Symmetriaheh19:38
Symmetriaman, having a lawyer for a sister is uber useful19:38
Squirmhmm19:48
Squirmok19:48
Squirmso first flight was alright19:48
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nuvolariSquirm: receiver is on the quad21:11
nuvolarimeh, you probably figured it out already :P21:12
nuvolarioh, ya but the gain screw is on thy gyro like you said21:13
nuvolariI shouldn't do this - confirming what you said :P21:13
nuvolaribedtime21:13
Squirmlol21:13
nuvolarihttp://www.di.fm/play/trance21:14
nuvolariSquirm: ^^21:14
Squirmnot a trance person21:14
nuvolarisoothing sounds21:14
Squirmbut I got it flying21:14
nuvolari:-/21:14
SquirmI just suck at it21:14
nuvolarijust try it21:14
Squirmand it's so sensitive21:14
nuvolariSquirm: that's where the dualrate/normal rate comes in21:14
nuvolariset the normal rate at about 40-50%21:15
nuvolariand for a quad I'd say 60-70 for dr21:15
Squirmok21:15
Squirmwill try that tomorrow21:15
nuvolariI have a ladybird quad, really tiny21:15
nuvolariand at 80% it's uncontrollably quick21:15
nuvolariand at 30% it's way too slow21:16
SquirmQuai 500x21:16
SquirmI think21:16
Squirmok21:16
Squirmbut21:17
Squirmit has 5 channels right21:17
Squirmthe 5th one would be the gyro?21:17
nuvolarinope, the gyro isn't controlled21:17
Squirmit's connected to 'gear' on the controller21:17
Squirmmeh, receiver21:17
Squirmwith that unplugged, it flies, but is sensitive21:18
Squirmas soon as I plug that in, I can then switch between hover/cruise on the transmitter21:18
Squirmbut it's... jumpy21:18
nuvolarihow jumpy?21:18
Squirmlike there's interference21:18
nuvolariit might be the sensitivity of the gyro21:18
Squirmit's set right down21:19
Squirmwhich is when I started to get it to work21:19
nuvolarihmm21:19
Squirmjumpy as in. it's movements aren't smooth21:19
nuvolariit's hard to say21:20
Squirmbut only when that 5th channel is plugged in.21:20
Squirmso I can control the 4axis with it out21:21
nuvolarithe 5th channel might be the hold switch21:21
nuvolarior the auxiliry21:21
nuvolariso you might need to set it to what you want to control on the quad21:21
Squirmwell, all I've figured it does is switch between cruise and hover21:21
Squirmand both act the same way21:22
nuvolarifor now21:22
Squirm(with it connected)21:22
nuvolariI think in this case normal rate/dual rate would be it's hover and cruise modes21:23
Squirmaha, it seems the gain is also controllable via that21:23
nuvolariyeah, it's part of the sensitivity21:23
Squirmit's just now21:25
Squirmhow to set the gain on the controller :P21:25
nuvolarias I  see it normal rate would have the gyro with more control over the quad and less gain, and with dual rate the gain would be more and the gyro would have less say 21:25
nuvolariwell, you're on your own now :P much like you've been anyway :P21:26
Squirmyou've helped with terms21:26
Squirm:P21:26
nuvolarisounds to me like you'll manage21:26
Squirmand this colleague wants to mount his go pro to it21:26
Squirmgl to him learning to fly the thing first21:27
nuvolarilol exactly21:27
Squirmhopefully the dualrate/normal rate thing will help21:27
nuvolariyou mean he can't fly yet?21:27
Squirmwell21:27
SquirmI'm setting this up for him21:27
nuvolariI'd recommend he get a simulator first and train on that! 21:28
Squirmyeah21:28
nuvolariit will be much cheaper than wrecking his quad 21:28
Squirmthough I'm not going to :P21:28
nuvolariheli-x is awesome21:28
Squirmbut then I have flown an RC plane and a dual rotor copter21:28
nuvolarionce-off fee and upgrades for life21:28
Squirmthis is just more sensitive than the copter21:28
nuvolari50EUR21:29
Squirmhmm21:29
nuvolarihttp://heli-x.net/21:29
nuvolarihe can try it out first21:29
nuvolariit has an annoying tim-based trial-us21:30
nuvolari*time-based21:30
SquirmI wonder, on this gyro. it has a switch to set nose direction21:30
nuvolariit has 3 or 4 quad/tri-rotor models21:30
Squirmthough I may have figured it out if it was the wrong way21:30
nuvolariah! before I forget, try to set the trims to zero, and then use the dials on the quad to mechanically set it as close to stable as possible21:31
Squirmthere are no dials on the quad?21:32
nuvolarimeh21:32
nuvolariok, at least the nose direction can be set so it doesn't spin around21:32
SquirmI think it may be set already21:32
Squirmotherwise I probably would have noticed21:32
Squirmall the directions seem to be ok21:33
nuvolariok yeah, that's true :P21:33
nuvolarinow I crave flying21:33
SquirmI see on the controller, there's a greyed out menu item for gyro21:33
nuvolariall your fault!21:33
Squirmthat'd probably fall under heli mode though21:33
nuvolarihmm. yeah21:34
nuvolaribut the plane can use gyro too21:34
nuvolarimy controller isn't that advanced21:34
Squirmyou have no idea21:35
Squirmnow the voltage is at 8.8V21:35
Squirmand it won't bloody well shutup21:35
Squirmgot to 9v and started slowly beeping21:35
Squirmnow it's incessant21:36
Squirmok, set this dr thing21:38
Squirmnow I want to test it21:38
Squirm:/21:38
nuvolariok, I'm out21:47
Squirmsame21:48
Squirmshot nuvolari 21:48
nuvolarigood luck with the fine tuning Squirm 21:48

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